Congrats, Meta! My husband and I ran away to the movies to see Star Trek Beyond since checking for the promised text message every few minutes was driving us nuts. I was hoping for Perez but totally understand HRC’s thinking on wanting Kaine. Moving on; moving forward together!
Thank you for the link. I’m happy to hear from people who know him that he is authentic, that he is the same when cameras are not there. It validates the feeling that I “get” from him: honesty, authenticity, decency.
❤ this! "If you are a Person of Color (POC), you have enough on your plate! It’s not your job to educate white people about privilege, racism, and what’s really going on in the world. If a white person is filling your social media with white nonsense – anything from overt racism to well-intentioned problematic statements – tag us and a white person will come roundup our own. …"
I think that sometime we forget because Hillary is a white woman that she is a minority as well. Her candidacy as well as potentially her Presidency will be historic for this country. Women have fought and continue to fight twice as hard as our male counterparts in all aspects of life. Hillary will make a great historic President.
With that said, I understand the disappointment that some of us feel about her picking “just another white male” as her VP pick. I do believe that her main criteria for this pick was resume. She takes this job really seriously and wants the most competent person she knows to share this position with her. The thing that disappoints me and should disappoint us all the most is that as much as we are all proud that PBO became the 1st AA President we still really lack minorities in high places that have long resumes and would be ready on day one to ascend to a high office position such as this.
Just think about this….we have two AA US Senators. African Americans make up 13 percent of this country but we are represented by 2 percent of the Senators in this country. Latinos/Hispanics have 3 Representatives in the US Senate. 3 percent representation in the Senate when they make up 17 percent of the population in this country. We have NO AA Governors and ONE Hispanic Governor. President Obama has done a wonderful job of putting minorities in his cabinet and the Supreme Court but their resume in the positions they now hold don’t compete with their white counterparts. We need to give more minorities the opportunity to showcase their talents. We don’t appear to be ready because the opportunities have only recently been afforded us. This is something that the DNC and DGA really needs to make a priority. We need to groom a great diverse group of leaders that can one day govern this country with the same competence that President Obama has.
Almost a certainly a 3rd with Kamala Harris, and don’t count out the Castro brothers that both being groomed. All that being said, I agree with your sentiments, Donna.
The problem with the Castro brothers is TX. I think it is going to be at several more cycles before this state ever turns blue or even purple. It’s not for lack of population, it’s trying to get Latinos registered and willing to vote. That may be improving with Trump as the GOP nominee but it has been a huge struggle in the past. And honestly we have a horrible, dysfunctional Dem party in this state.
Donna, I think Hillary will continue what PBO has started in grooming AA leaders. Her cabinet will represent America and so will her Supreme Court justices. I believe she’s worked for the presidency in the hopes that she could help expand opportunities for everyone. In that important aspect, she will definitely be President Obama’s heir.
” We have NO AA Governors and ONE Hispanic Governor. President Obama has done a wonderful job of putting minorities in his cabinet and the Supreme Court but their resume in the positions they now hold don’t compete with their white counterparts. We need to give more minorities the opportunity to showcase their talents. We don’t appear to be ready because the opportunities have only recently been afforded us.This is something that the DNC and DGA really needs to make a priority. We need to groom a great diverse group of leaders that can one day govern this country with the same competence that President Obama has.”
ALL THIS! This is my great concern as well. The small inroads our illustrious Prez has made to actually REFLECT the melting pot under the purported big tent of the Dem Party in his administration will be quickly erased by reverting to back to business as usual politics.
Thank you, Donna. This is my disappointment in a nutshell, and it’s profound. By choosing a white guy, it pretty much guarantees it could be decades before a Latino or another Black ascends to the highest office. I know anything can happen, but I’m just saying. It’s also something Dan Pfeiffer mentioned at the end of their 1600 podcast today. He said the Democratic Party needs to think about building the party beyond the Obama-Clinton era and his preference for Perez or Booker was really about that. So I’m feeling let down that HRC didn’t feel the urgency of that. HOWEVER, that is not to say I will not go forward with an open mind and work hard to make sure we keep the WH, take back the Senate and make inroads in the House. I’m a lifelong Democrat who’s not about to risk anything based on my feelings at the moment.
I also have to confess that seeing a photo of Clinton and Kaine together, it really hit me like a ton of bricks that we’re going back to a WHITE White House. So I guess I’m also feeling some grieving about that after these glorious years with PBO and FLOTUS, who have brought such a wealth of multicultural events and staff and family and awareness to the WH that came from their HEARTS, from who they are.
I know, {{{ meta }}}, me too, as I was washing up after dinner, my exact thoughts and feelings. And disappointment. It has all been so rich and powerful, so much intelligence, visionary thinking, never EVER dull. Honored we saw, we recognized, we actively and enthusiastically walked the walk. Let us all stay open to a continued and diverse awareness of human and planetary need, or there will be no future.
This. I just said on the prior thread that my hope is what people take away from this once in a lifetime presidency, is the empowerment our illustrious president has attempted to instill in all of us; namely that we be truly engaged and active citizens/participants in our own democracy and relentlessly push all of our leaders and representatives to excellence, competence, integrity, diversity! at all times; to reflect ALL OF US and ALL THAT IS GREAT of US. From time to time I’ve seen posts here that we don’t/didn’t deserve this President. And I have to fervently disagree. He has shown us what we in fact DO DESERVE and that it is POSSIBLE. We the People deserve presidencies like his more on the regular and less once in a lifetime. IT’S ON US. STAY WOKE.
this “reporter” is one of the worst republican propagandists out there today, but if this is true, and seeing his background it could be, then i can get excited for kaine:
Me, too. Truthfully, Kaine has a Jesuit connection (the missionary trip to Honduras as a young man) … and since I’m Irish and always looking for omens, I’m thinking the Pope’s a Jesuit, he and President Obama are made out of similar cloth (in my opinion), both came on the scene just when we needed them, so maybe Kaine’s arrival as the VP choice is following a pattern that will benefit our country, just when we need it.
And if you followed that, you’ll know a little about my brain. Ha!
Fired up (but wilting from the heat — see downthread).
Love this tidbit about Kaine. Have the utmost respect for Jesuit teachings (though know zero about the Catholic region) — regardless of what you think of Jerry Brown, he has walked the walk by caring about his constituents and our planet (he got so much flack in the 1970s because of “Spaceship Earth,” but it’s true — we’re all in this together.
Speaking of the Earth and climate change, a notable tweet about UK PM last Saturday (which seems like a long time ago, LOL):
UK closes climate change agency, as govt apparently plans not only to exit Europe but the planet as well https://t.co/bPbWnc2cLp
yes indeed about jerry brown. i remember him working with mother teresa and frequently bringing up his jesuit training. kaine makes a big deal about this too i see. for them “mission” means doing actual work in remote destitute places, unlike a mormon “mission” which means just marketing their cult and nothing more. jesuit teaching is a big plus for me on a resume!
don’t mean to offend any mormons here, and if more happens on their missions than simply trying to market the religion, please educate me. and i apologize for using the word “cult.” i’ve been trying to stop doing that.
This reminds me of Jerry Brown, our great Governor, who as you may know was also a Jesuit and he was planning on becoming a priest but left after 3 years of study.
this catholic, educated by missionary Irish Nuns and very familiar with the Jesuit, followed your reasoning and i concur;
i am just a little disappointed that you, the number 1 VP Biden fan, did not see a way to include him in this line of your reasoning; you are “slacking dear sister;
You are so right, my dear. Maybe because I first think of VP Biden, including him in all of my reasoning (Ha!), and then proceed with everything else. I will try to do better! 🙂
I agree with you, J’OB. I also remember that Tim Kaine was one of the first elected official to recognize the special young Senator from Illinois who he endorsed. At the time most pundits were absolutely certain that Hillary Clinton would be the nominee. Kudos to Hillary for not keeping a grudge.
Tim Kaine seems to come from that strong Catholic social justice orientation. He was a civil rights attorney when he got out of law school and been a strong advocate for the poor. He attends a Catholic parish that is majority AA.
Planted this (backgrounder on Tim Kaine from 2005) on previous thread, and now that I’ve fully read it, I shall plant it here – with a recommendation to check it out:
Saw a couple of comments floating around that i thought were interesting.
1. Apparently Kaine and PBO are very close. He was the first governor to endorse PBO and he did a lot of work on getting the votes for the Iran deal. So this is viewed as someone who can form the bridge between the two administrations.
2. Podesta told her (which I think is great advice), pick someone who you will be happy to see every time s/he walks into the room. She clearly is looking at him for governing, and knowing the battles she has ahead of her she needs someone like this. I mentioned the other day, I think HRC is a little over confident on how she will work with this Congress, even if we flip the Senate. It still will not be a filibuster proof 60 and I think the Rs have gotten much worse and will continue to be worse than when she was in the Senate.
In any event, IMO this was personal to her and I was and am prepared to support Kaine.
My hope and dark-horse pick for Sen. Kaine’s replacement by Gov. Terry Mcauliffe is former congressman Tom Perriello
Read this from a former Bernie supporter and with personal knowledge of Tim Kaine:
“Like a lot of Virginians, I’ve had to chuckle a bit at the way Virginia Senator Tim Kaine has been portrayed since rising to the top of Secretary Clinton’s VP short list. Apparently, the gods of conventional wisdom have decided Kaine is a “boring,” “safe,” “centrist” pick whose “DINO” positions may make him anathema to the Sanders base. Oh really? Because I can assure you as a native Virginian, this caricature doesn’t at all fit the man I’ve watched over nearly 20 years. In fact, the consistent knock on him in every election in Virginia has been that he was too liberal! This was such an issue that when Kaine was elected Lieutenant Governor under Mark Warner in 2001, Warner used their first joint press conference to distance himself from the controversial, left-leaning Kaine. So before you allow the national media topline and Kaine’s status as a white Southern man to lull you into a quick judgment, here are a few things you should know about why this Bernie broad loves Tim Kaine.
Kaine is the son of a welder who graduated from a Jesuit high school, flew through University of Missouri and then landed at Harvard Law. While his classmates were hanging out in Cambridge fielding offers from big firms, Kaine took a year off to do mission work in Honduras where he worked with young boys growing up in brutal poverty. The year abroad left him fluent in Spanish and with a deep commitment to using his Harvard law degree for the public good. After law school he made good on his commitment to service and rather than cashing in on his degree, spent much of his legal career fighting against housing discrimination. Now you just tell me, does that sound like the bio of a chamber-backed, blue dog, corporate Dem? Ahh but perhaps Kaine abandoned all his lofty principles in a quest for political power in a conservative Southern state! If that’s your concern, perhaps you should just ask the NRA how they feel about Tim Kaine. Here’s how his elections in Virginia typically go: the NRA gives him an F rating, fear mongers about how he’s going to take everyone’s guns, spends massively against him, and then Tim goes on to win anyway. Keep in mind, the NRA is literally headquartered in Virginia. If they are powerful anywhere they are powerful in the Old Dominion but that didn’t stop Kaine from signing an executive order following the Virginia Tech massacre to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. It also didn’t stop him from pushing additional gun control measures as governor like eliminating the gun show loophole and it hasn’t stopped him as Senator from continuing to lead the charge for sensible rules like increased background checks….continued”
Thanks to everyone (particularly liked the fact that Kaine and PBO’s Dunham side of his family are from the same (!) small Kansas town. Can’t WAIT for PBO (and Josh Earnest) to campaign with HRC and Kaine in El Dorado — getting chills (in 95F heat) just thinking about it.
Here’s some more #BlastFromThePast:
From Sep 2010:
Six months ago, @BarackObama signed the Affordable Care Act into law. We fought to pass #HCR, and we will fight to defend it from repeal.
he is one of those who endorsed PBO’s Cuba policy and i seem to recall that he was part of the delegation that went there;
i have also recently heard him being very critical of the gop candidate and reports say he tangled with him during his most recent visit to Capitol Hill;
we just need to get him to vote with Dems once in a while
WHOA, indeed. He also spoke out on twitter a couple of days saying people should stop saying HRC should be in jail. I was blown away. He’s not up for election this year so I guess he’s just trying hard to salvage whatever shards are left of his party.
Despite his jerky kid(s?) — remember a few years ago his son was in litigation about a dog kennel he ran with no air conditioning (in AZ!), he and Gabby Giffords, a Blue Dog Dem, aren’t that far apart on policy.
Twenty years ago or so, 60 Minutes had a segment on “the perfect US Rep,” and it was about Jeff Flake.
I think he may have sipped some Tea Party Kool-Aid when he switched from Rep to Senator, but to me he’s been reasonable, not “Hell No!” Boehner or absolutely obstructionist jerk like McTurtle. He threw his whole-hearted support behind the new Cuba policy and is in favor of lifting the embargo. He was also a gentleman and friend to Gabby when she returned to Congress after the Tucson Massacre.
Long winded way to say he’s one of the few Republicans willing to compromise.
Love Roanoke, one of the cutest towns I’ve seen, nestled at the foothills of the Appalachia mountains.
Know I’m in the minority here about “another white male” VP, but if Kaine can get through to white Appalachia voters, that would be so helpful to ensure that the unhinged basketcase who would turn the US into a Putin satellite is soundly defeated in November.
this week in US politics had me pulling out my hair in utter frustration as I got a few glimpses of the gop hate-fest in Cleveland;
true I had my favorite vp choice but then I remembered that I am not the candidate and I can’t only wish and suggest.
the choice was always going to be made by Sec HRC because she won the nomination and she has earned the right to choose whomever she wants;
I am sure that all the other people who were short-listed as potential VP picks will continue to serve in whatever way they choose;
I also understand that between now and November 8th, the Dem team will have its up and down but I have to give all I can to defeat that bigoted imbecile (I can’t even write his name);
now, with my Eyes on the Prize, I have on my marching shoes and I am Fired Up and Ready to Go. On to victory!!
considering the drama the clintons themselves frequently create for themselves, and the drama people they surround themselves with create, this kaine pick is the “no drama obama” move she could use, i guess. the guy and family seem rock steady. hillary is certainly taking more of an obama approach this time around, and it’s helping her. i’ll never be able to totally excited for her campaign, but she is making some much smarter moves so far.
yup. some here were saying why would she leak kaine’s name in advance instead of announcing it herself. methinks it’s deliberate ploy to let all ohnoez, we are all gonna die memes play out and die in advance so that there is much less b&m’ing by convention time.
There’s a long history of tensions between Blacks and Latinos in the LA area — Latinos have displaced many in formerly Black neighborhoods such as Compton, Watts and municipalities in between.
Don’t mean to offend any Sanchez fans, but never did like her much. She seems quite shallow and it seems to me that all she knows how to do is whine.
Ya, Sanchez is a camera hound. She was decent early in the Obama administration, but after Wiener left she was in a close race with Gabbard & Sherman for being the always available Dem to do a T.V. hit to attack PBO.
Via L.A. Times… VP Biden: Kaine ‘will be a strong partner’ for Clinton
Vice President Joe Biden cheered Hillary Clinton’s selection of Sen. Tim Kaine as her running mate, a choice that could replace the nation’s first Roman Catholic veep with its second. “Tim has proven time and again that he has the skills to lead and to make tough, principled decisions,” Biden said in a statement to The Times. “He shares my belief that when the middle class does well, our country does well.” “He will be a strong partner for Secretary Clinton at home and abroad and his steady hand will continue the trajectory of our economy toward full resurgence,” he added.
I’m gonna wait and see on that. Funny how sometimes minds are changed back after elections. Not saying it’s right – just an observation that it could happen.
When little piggies start flying perhaps and not a moment before, but I won’t be holding my breath for the change back. Let the triangulation begin… Seeing PBO’s meticulousness in everything he does, him proferring up for consumption any policy that fails ANYTHING does not compute. The real test was for Kaine and he passed. Next.
Don’t wish to taint the joy of Dems moving one step closer to their goal [little happy dancing here], but this may make some of you smirk and I wanted to place it before I headed to bed and forgot.
I had forgotten this word, but how very, very apt! Reminded by a friend who was reminded on Faceboook. Thanks, MP pic.twitter.com/PBL8t2KEeQ
Ain’t it though? 🙂 It prolly never occurred to me before MightyP’s reminder because I never give Trump any extra thought other than when I hear his name mentioned.
You know … I pretty much consider myself a progressive. In everything. Who the hell are some of these self-designated “super progressives” to imply anybody who doesn’t agree with their every tactic and radical statement isn’t one? Where’s this super progressive party some of them seem to think they have formed, separate and apart?
We’re all Democrats, some lean left, some lean right, if ya get my drift. No name-calling allowed.
End of tonight’s mini-rant, brought to you by a card-carrying member of the progressive Democratic Party.
It’s not just that, it’s the idea that only Bernie’s ideas matter to put you on the progressive spectrum, and that means two issues: income inequality and Wall Street. But for some of us, we are just as if not more so passionate about gun control. That is a huge issue for me, and part of the reason I would never be a Bernie fan. But because Bernie did not push this issue, somehow caring passionately about gun control, or climate change, or women’s reproductive rights, etc etc don’t count. That irritates the hell out of me. I believe every single Dem cares about income inequality, it is a huge issue. But for me, Wall Street reform fell further down the list once Dodd-Frank was passed. Nina Turner was on Rachel tonight saying even if Hillary had selected Elizabeth Warren, not all of his supporters would have voted for her. If that’s the case, what is the point in even trying with these people? Go form your own party where only your ideas and concerns matter. I’ve pretty much had enough of them. I suspect Hillary’s calculation is that she’s got the ones she is going to get, and no matter what she does she won’t get some so let it go. They made huge gains with the Dem platform, but still not enough. They are as bad as the Tea Party, no compromise, all or nothing. Good luck with that.
End of rant:-)
I respect your rant! I’m also reminded of all the PUMAs of 2008, most of whom came around, so maybe many of the BS people will.
And – unfortunately, since I was once a big fan – I now just mute Nina Turner when I see her. She’s gone to the “my way or the highway” side. No, thanks. (End of my second mini-rant!)
Boy do I agree with your opinion of Nina Turner! I used to like her, but since she hooked up with Bernie she became a blind, unreasonable and obsessive person I do not wish to listen to.
okay after reading and learning more about Tim Kaine, I do feel better about Hillary’s choice. And as others have stated here: it is Hillary’s choice, she has to be comfortable with her vp. POTUS & VP Biden have shown what a united and loving partnership between a President & his VP looks like and how much better it is for our country. I like Kaine’s past as a civil rights attorney.. and that he’s also a no drama guy.
With you on all that! (It personally took me months to get used to the idea that Hillary would be our nominee – and only one evening to get used to Kaine – I guess that’s called progress!!!)
Senator Tim Kaine was in the top tier for VP for POB. Read David Plouffe’s book, The Audacity to Win.(great read). I think Tim Kaine is a great pick, and I will do all that can to work hard for the ticket. The ticket is strong and it is positive and our country will depend on its a win with this ticket for this time in our lives.
May I say this, please? BS needs to shut up and move forward with us or stand alone and join the screaming choir with DT and others. And Rachel needs to shut the hell up also. HZ
The Obama Diary 
These two guys really like each other.
Congrats, Meta! My husband and I ran away to the movies to see Star Trek Beyond since checking for the promised text message every few minutes was driving us nuts. I was hoping for Perez but totally understand HRC’s thinking on wanting Kaine. Moving on; moving forward together!
Tim Kaine’s original campaign sign when he ran for Gov.
I really wanted senator warren, but al giordano is helping me come around. great story starts here:
https://twitter.com/AlGiordano/status/756648825255817216
thanks for the link!
yw..
Thank you for the link. I’m happy to hear from people who know him that he is authentic, that he is the same when cameras are not there. It validates the feeling that I “get” from him: honesty, authenticity, decency.
Watch for democrats to fall in love with him…
I really, really like Sen. Tim Kaine. Kudos to Secretary Clinton for her excellent choice.
Good morning nath 🙂 and TOD 🙂
Agree, 100%.
Way I see it, if President Obama is a big fan of Senator Kaine that’s good enough for me!
#FORWARD Together
Good evening, TOD.
❤ this! "If you are a Person of Color (POC), you have enough on your plate! It’s not your job to educate white people about privilege, racism, and what’s really going on in the world. If a white person is filling your social media with white nonsense – anything from overt racism to well-intentioned problematic statements – tag us and a white person will come roundup our own. …"
What a brilliant idea.
I think that sometime we forget because Hillary is a white woman that she is a minority as well. Her candidacy as well as potentially her Presidency will be historic for this country. Women have fought and continue to fight twice as hard as our male counterparts in all aspects of life. Hillary will make a great historic President.
With that said, I understand the disappointment that some of us feel about her picking “just another white male” as her VP pick. I do believe that her main criteria for this pick was resume. She takes this job really seriously and wants the most competent person she knows to share this position with her. The thing that disappoints me and should disappoint us all the most is that as much as we are all proud that PBO became the 1st AA President we still really lack minorities in high places that have long resumes and would be ready on day one to ascend to a high office position such as this.
Just think about this….we have two AA US Senators. African Americans make up 13 percent of this country but we are represented by 2 percent of the Senators in this country. Latinos/Hispanics have 3 Representatives in the US Senate. 3 percent representation in the Senate when they make up 17 percent of the population in this country. We have NO AA Governors and ONE Hispanic Governor. President Obama has done a wonderful job of putting minorities in his cabinet and the Supreme Court but their resume in the positions they now hold don’t compete with their white counterparts. We need to give more minorities the opportunity to showcase their talents. We don’t appear to be ready because the opportunities have only recently been afforded us. This is something that the DNC and DGA really needs to make a priority. We need to groom a great diverse group of leaders that can one day govern this country with the same competence that President Obama has.
I would really like to see the gov appoint an AA woman or Latina woman to replace him assuming they win in November.
Almost a certainly a 3rd with Kamala Harris, and don’t count out the Castro brothers that both being groomed. All that being said, I agree with your sentiments, Donna.
The problem with the Castro brothers is TX. I think it is going to be at several more cycles before this state ever turns blue or even purple. It’s not for lack of population, it’s trying to get Latinos registered and willing to vote. That may be improving with Trump as the GOP nominee but it has been a huge struggle in the past. And honestly we have a horrible, dysfunctional Dem party in this state.
Donna, I think Hillary will continue what PBO has started in grooming AA leaders. Her cabinet will represent America and so will her Supreme Court justices. I believe she’s worked for the presidency in the hopes that she could help expand opportunities for everyone. In that important aspect, she will definitely be President Obama’s heir.
” We have NO AA Governors and ONE Hispanic Governor. President Obama has done a wonderful job of putting minorities in his cabinet and the Supreme Court but their resume in the positions they now hold don’t compete with their white counterparts. We need to give more minorities the opportunity to showcase their talents. We don’t appear to be ready because the opportunities have only recently been afforded us.This is something that the DNC and DGA really needs to make a priority. We need to groom a great diverse group of leaders that can one day govern this country with the same competence that President Obama has.”
ALL THIS! This is my great concern as well. The small inroads our illustrious Prez has made to actually REFLECT the melting pot under the purported big tent of the Dem Party in his administration will be quickly erased by reverting to back to business as usual politics.
Thank you, Donna. This is my disappointment in a nutshell, and it’s profound. By choosing a white guy, it pretty much guarantees it could be decades before a Latino or another Black ascends to the highest office. I know anything can happen, but I’m just saying. It’s also something Dan Pfeiffer mentioned at the end of their 1600 podcast today. He said the Democratic Party needs to think about building the party beyond the Obama-Clinton era and his preference for Perez or Booker was really about that. So I’m feeling let down that HRC didn’t feel the urgency of that. HOWEVER, that is not to say I will not go forward with an open mind and work hard to make sure we keep the WH, take back the Senate and make inroads in the House. I’m a lifelong Democrat who’s not about to risk anything based on my feelings at the moment.
I also have to confess that seeing a photo of Clinton and Kaine together, it really hit me like a ton of bricks that we’re going back to a WHITE White House. So I guess I’m also feeling some grieving about that after these glorious years with PBO and FLOTUS, who have brought such a wealth of multicultural events and staff and family and awareness to the WH that came from their HEARTS, from who they are.
I know, {{{ meta }}}, me too, as I was washing up after dinner, my exact thoughts and feelings. And disappointment. It has all been so rich and powerful, so much intelligence, visionary thinking, never EVER dull. Honored we saw, we recognized, we actively and enthusiastically walked the walk. Let us all stay open to a continued and diverse awareness of human and planetary need, or there will be no future.
{{{MP}}}
This. I just said on the prior thread that my hope is what people take away from this once in a lifetime presidency, is the empowerment our illustrious president has attempted to instill in all of us; namely that we be truly engaged and active citizens/participants in our own democracy and relentlessly push all of our leaders and representatives to excellence, competence, integrity, diversity! at all times; to reflect ALL OF US and ALL THAT IS GREAT of US. From time to time I’ve seen posts here that we don’t/didn’t deserve this President. And I have to fervently disagree. He has shown us what we in fact DO DESERVE and that it is POSSIBLE. We the People deserve presidencies like his more on the regular and less once in a lifetime. IT’S ON US. STAY WOKE.
❤️
this “reporter” is one of the worst republican propagandists out there today, but if this is true, and seeing his background it could be, then i can get excited for kaine:
Me, too. Truthfully, Kaine has a Jesuit connection (the missionary trip to Honduras as a young man) … and since I’m Irish and always looking for omens, I’m thinking the Pope’s a Jesuit, he and President Obama are made out of similar cloth (in my opinion), both came on the scene just when we needed them, so maybe Kaine’s arrival as the VP choice is following a pattern that will benefit our country, just when we need it.
And if you followed that, you’ll know a little about my brain. Ha!
GE JO’B.
Fired up (but wilting from the heat — see downthread).
Love this tidbit about Kaine. Have the utmost respect for Jesuit teachings (though know zero about the Catholic region) — regardless of what you think of Jerry Brown, he has walked the walk by caring about his constituents and our planet (he got so much flack in the 1970s because of “Spaceship Earth,” but it’s true — we’re all in this together.
Speaking of the Earth and climate change, a notable tweet about UK PM last Saturday (which seems like a long time ago, LOL):
Hottest July day ever (since records) in my world yesterday. Today much the same
yes indeed about jerry brown. i remember him working with mother teresa and frequently bringing up his jesuit training. kaine makes a big deal about this too i see. for them “mission” means doing actual work in remote destitute places, unlike a mormon “mission” which means just marketing their cult and nothing more. jesuit teaching is a big plus for me on a resume!
don’t mean to offend any mormons here, and if more happens on their missions than simply trying to market the religion, please educate me. and i apologize for using the word “cult.” i’ve been trying to stop doing that.
JO’B, I took hold of the thread and followed you through this thought sequence. I think you’re on to something.
This reminds me of Jerry Brown, our great Governor, who as you may know was also a Jesuit and he was planning on becoming a priest but left after 3 years of study.
Yes, I’d forgotten Jerry’s background – in my mind, they’re the “deep thinkers” and just great people!
this catholic, educated by missionary Irish Nuns and very familiar with the Jesuit, followed your reasoning and i concur;
i am just a little disappointed that you, the number 1 VP Biden fan, did not see a way to include him in this line of your reasoning; you are “slacking dear sister;
You are so right, my dear. Maybe because I first think of VP Biden, including him in all of my reasoning (Ha!), and then proceed with everything else. I will try to do better! 🙂
I agree with you, J’OB. I also remember that Tim Kaine was one of the first elected official to recognize the special young Senator from Illinois who he endorsed. At the time most pundits were absolutely certain that Hillary Clinton would be the nominee. Kudos to Hillary for not keeping a grudge.
Well said, nath (as usual!).
Tim Kaine was one of the finalists for VP choice in 2008. Let’s not forget that. President Obama respects and likes him a lot.
Tim Kaine seems to come from that strong Catholic social justice orientation. He was a civil rights attorney when he got out of law school and been a strong advocate for the poor. He attends a Catholic parish that is majority AA.
Planted this (backgrounder on Tim Kaine from 2005) on previous thread, and now that I’ve fully read it, I shall plant it here – with a recommendation to check it out:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/02/AR2005110203116_5.html
https://twitter.com/AlGiordano/status/756648825255817216
https://twitter.com/AlGiordano/status/756647836549165056
case closed.
Saw a couple of comments floating around that i thought were interesting.
1. Apparently Kaine and PBO are very close. He was the first governor to endorse PBO and he did a lot of work on getting the votes for the Iran deal. So this is viewed as someone who can form the bridge between the two administrations.
2. Podesta told her (which I think is great advice), pick someone who you will be happy to see every time s/he walks into the room. She clearly is looking at him for governing, and knowing the battles she has ahead of her she needs someone like this. I mentioned the other day, I think HRC is a little over confident on how she will work with this Congress, even if we flip the Senate. It still will not be a filibuster proof 60 and I think the Rs have gotten much worse and will continue to be worse than when she was in the Senate.
In any event, IMO this was personal to her and I was and am prepared to support Kaine.
pick someone who you will be happy to see every time s/he walks into the room.
great point. I bet kenyan and uncle joe yak it up all the time.
and dumbya was prolly peeing in his pants whenever darth wanted to see hm.
Looked like he was trying not to pee himself at the memorial service in Dallas, shameful.
Here we go! Clinton/Kaine all the way!
My hope and dark-horse pick for Sen. Kaine’s replacement by Gov. Terry Mcauliffe is former congressman Tom Perriello
Read this from a former Bernie supporter and with personal knowledge of Tim Kaine:
“Like a lot of Virginians, I’ve had to chuckle a bit at the way Virginia Senator Tim Kaine has been portrayed since rising to the top of Secretary Clinton’s VP short list. Apparently, the gods of conventional wisdom have decided Kaine is a “boring,” “safe,” “centrist” pick whose “DINO” positions may make him anathema to the Sanders base. Oh really? Because I can assure you as a native Virginian, this caricature doesn’t at all fit the man I’ve watched over nearly 20 years. In fact, the consistent knock on him in every election in Virginia has been that he was too liberal! This was such an issue that when Kaine was elected Lieutenant Governor under Mark Warner in 2001, Warner used their first joint press conference to distance himself from the controversial, left-leaning Kaine. So before you allow the national media topline and Kaine’s status as a white Southern man to lull you into a quick judgment, here are a few things you should know about why this Bernie broad loves Tim Kaine.
Kaine is the son of a welder who graduated from a Jesuit high school, flew through University of Missouri and then landed at Harvard Law. While his classmates were hanging out in Cambridge fielding offers from big firms, Kaine took a year off to do mission work in Honduras where he worked with young boys growing up in brutal poverty. The year abroad left him fluent in Spanish and with a deep commitment to using his Harvard law degree for the public good. After law school he made good on his commitment to service and rather than cashing in on his degree, spent much of his legal career fighting against housing discrimination. Now you just tell me, does that sound like the bio of a chamber-backed, blue dog, corporate Dem? Ahh but perhaps Kaine abandoned all his lofty principles in a quest for political power in a conservative Southern state! If that’s your concern, perhaps you should just ask the NRA how they feel about Tim Kaine. Here’s how his elections in Virginia typically go: the NRA gives him an F rating, fear mongers about how he’s going to take everyone’s guns, spends massively against him, and then Tim goes on to win anyway. Keep in mind, the NRA is literally headquartered in Virginia. If they are powerful anywhere they are powerful in the Old Dominion but that didn’t stop Kaine from signing an executive order following the Virginia Tech massacre to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. It also didn’t stop him from pushing additional gun control measures as governor like eliminating the gun show loophole and it hasn’t stopped him as Senator from continuing to lead the charge for sensible rules like increased background checks….continued”
a good reading, desi.
Ty bhai
GE TODville.
Great info and tweets about Tim Kaine.
Thanks to everyone (particularly liked the fact that Kaine and PBO’s Dunham side of his family are from the same (!) small Kansas town. Can’t WAIT for PBO (and Josh Earnest) to campaign with HRC and Kaine in El Dorado — getting chills (in 95F heat) just thinking about it.
Here’s some more #BlastFromThePast:
From Sep 2010:
From 1997, Richmond city council (had no idea CSPAN televise city council members, learn something new every day):
Whoa! 😯
angus king of maine is absolutely crazy for kaine:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/20/maine-sen-angus-king-to-hillary-no-pain-choose-kaine.html?via=mobile&source=email
Is Jeff Flake trolling for votes? Isn’t he a Republican? 🙂
yes, he is of the gop;
but sometimes Flake says some good things;
he is one of those who endorsed PBO’s Cuba policy and i seem to recall that he was part of the delegation that went there;
i have also recently heard him being very critical of the gop candidate and reports say he tangled with him during his most recent visit to Capitol Hill;
we just need to get him to vote with Dems once in a while
He’s not up for election this year. He was elected in 2013, and I really think he detests Donald Trump.
Imagine this, a GOP Senator saying something nice about a Dem.
WHOA, indeed. He also spoke out on twitter a couple of days saying people should stop saying HRC should be in jail. I was blown away. He’s not up for election this year so I guess he’s just trying hard to salvage whatever shards are left of his party.
GE Meta.
Despite his jerky kid(s?) — remember a few years ago his son was in litigation about a dog kennel he ran with no air conditioning (in AZ!), he and Gabby Giffords, a Blue Dog Dem, aren’t that far apart on policy.
Twenty years ago or so, 60 Minutes had a segment on “the perfect US Rep,” and it was about Jeff Flake.
I think he may have sipped some Tea Party Kool-Aid when he switched from Rep to Senator, but to me he’s been reasonable, not “Hell No!” Boehner or absolutely obstructionist jerk like McTurtle. He threw his whole-hearted support behind the new Cuba policy and is in favor of lifting the embargo. He was also a gentleman and friend to Gabby when she returned to Congress after the Tucson Massacre.
Long winded way to say he’s one of the few Republicans willing to compromise.
I mean if you’re going to get an F why not get if from the NRA.
the best A+ rating in sane world.
Love Roanoke, one of the cutest towns I’ve seen, nestled at the foothills of the Appalachia mountains.
Know I’m in the minority here about “another white male” VP, but if Kaine can get through to white Appalachia voters, that would be so helpful to ensure that the unhinged basketcase who would turn the US into a Putin satellite is soundly defeated in November.
Fingers crossed on that – we need him!!!
this week in US politics had me pulling out my hair in utter frustration as I got a few glimpses of the gop hate-fest in Cleveland;
true I had my favorite vp choice but then I remembered that I am not the candidate and I can’t only wish and suggest.
the choice was always going to be made by Sec HRC because she won the nomination and she has earned the right to choose whomever she wants;
I am sure that all the other people who were short-listed as potential VP picks will continue to serve in whatever way they choose;
I also understand that between now and November 8th, the Dem team will have its up and down but I have to give all I can to defeat that bigoted imbecile (I can’t even write his name);
now, with my Eyes on the Prize, I have on my marching shoes and I am Fired Up and Ready to Go. On to victory!!
correction => i can only wish and suggest
considering the drama the clintons themselves frequently create for themselves, and the drama people they surround themselves with create, this kaine pick is the “no drama obama” move she could use, i guess. the guy and family seem rock steady. hillary is certainly taking more of an obama approach this time around, and it’s helping her. i’ll never be able to totally excited for her campaign, but she is making some much smarter moves so far.
Spot on, 4morefor44, this version of the Clintons is no drama so far.
yup. some here were saying why would she leak kaine’s name in advance instead of announcing it herself. methinks it’s deliberate ploy to let all ohnoez, we are all gonna die memes play out and die in advance so that there is much less b&m’ing by convention time.
I’m starting to get a tingle up my leg from Hillary’s choice for V.P.
lol.
If you want a national landslide, recapture the Senate, and possibly the house…..then these are meaningful:
RT by Hillary Clinton:
VA GOP Lt. Gov from 2006-14
like flake’s self deprecating tweet.
Lots of good comments about Kaine on twitter. What stood out to me is this- Loyal member of Obama coalition from the beginning. That means something.
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/756651321390923776
https://twitter.com/NerdyWonka/status/756657635210911744
https://twitter.com/NerdyWonka/status/756659517446762497
https://twitter.com/NerdyWonka/status/756649114507419648
https://twitter.com/NerdyWonka/status/756661041514311680
https://twitter.com/NerdyWonka/status/756663108807122944
https://twitter.com/NerdyWonka/status/756664918015815680
https://twitter.com/NerdyWonka/status/756665968206766081
https://twitter.com/NerdyWonka/status/756668300667588609
https://twitter.com/aterkel/status/756645336999874560
VA more electoral votes than Iowa + Nevada:
Like I said if you want a landslide….
All you need to know….on top of being runner-up to then Senator Biden for VP in 08 ahead of the John Edwards
That McTurtle don’t like Sen. Kaine, what a great pick Hillary.
Sen. McTurtle endorse a racists bigot like Trump, he should be quiet.
bj post
Yes We Kaine! Yes We Kaine!
lol.
GOP is scared add Toomey to the list….I’m sure Collins is next:
This sums up some people’s apprehension the best:
https://twitter.com/rustyk5/status/756663342891081728
amk, congratulations to your daughter-unit on her accomplishments! From one parent of a Doctor to another – way to go Pops 🙂
Thanks GG. Daughter units (mine and sis’s) keeping the family tradition flying high. Son units, not so much.
WTF? ……congratulations on winning the election Sen. Kamala Harris!
Mcauliffe with the middle finger to the Virginia Supreme Court:
For those who continue to say that there is no difference between the parties…exibit A
GE LP.
There’s a long history of tensions between Blacks and Latinos in the LA area — Latinos have displaced many in formerly Black neighborhoods such as Compton, Watts and municipalities in between.
Don’t mean to offend any Sanchez fans, but never did like her much. She seems quite shallow and it seems to me that all she knows how to do is whine.
Ya, Sanchez is a camera hound. She was decent early in the Obama administration, but after Wiener left she was in a close race with Gabbard & Sherman for being the always available Dem to do a T.V. hit to attack PBO.
https://twitter.com/matt_higginson/status/756656666075168768
https://twitter.com/TVietor08/status/756657206657884161
Via L.A. Times… VP Biden: Kaine ‘will be a strong partner’ for Clinton
Vice President Joe Biden cheered Hillary Clinton’s selection of Sen. Tim Kaine as her running mate, a choice that could replace the nation’s first Roman Catholic veep with its second. “Tim has proven time and again that he has the skills to lead and to make tough, principled decisions,” Biden said in a statement to The Times. “He shares my belief that when the middle class does well, our country does well.” “He will be a strong partner for Secretary Clinton at home and abroad and his steady hand will continue the trajectory of our economy toward full resurgence,” he added.
loving the navarro tweet. boom.
She almost punched Trump flack Jeff Lord on CNN panel last night after his speech….mind you she is a GOPer who used to work for Jeb Bush & Rubio!
wow. jeb!’ strikes back.?
Well, so much the better then! 🙂
thanks for a great endorsement, mcturtle.
Le sigh. And what are they going to do then? Scrap it all together? and replace it with what? Maddening….
I’m gonna wait and see on that. Funny how sometimes minds are changed back after elections. Not saying it’s right – just an observation that it could happen.
When little piggies start flying perhaps and not a moment before, but I won’t be holding my breath for the change back. Let the triangulation begin… Seeing PBO’s meticulousness in everything he does, him proferring up for consumption any policy that fails ANYTHING does not compute. The real test was for Kaine and he passed. Next.
Agreed. As virulent as the Berners are about opposing TPP, this is probably the best approach to get fence straddlers on board for the GE.
I’m just scratching my head. I can only just imagine what PBO and Michael Froman are thinking.
In case any of the “non-selectees” are hitting the bottle tonight:
Don’t wish to taint the joy of Dems moving one step closer to their goal [little happy dancing here], but this may make some of you smirk and I wanted to place it before I headed to bed and forgot.
Perfect!
Ain’t it though? 🙂 It prolly never occurred to me before MightyP’s reminder because I never give Trump any extra thought other than when I hear his name mentioned.
🙂
You know … I pretty much consider myself a progressive. In everything. Who the hell are some of these self-designated “super progressives” to imply anybody who doesn’t agree with their every tactic and radical statement isn’t one? Where’s this super progressive party some of them seem to think they have formed, separate and apart?
We’re all Democrats, some lean left, some lean right, if ya get my drift. No name-calling allowed.
End of tonight’s mini-rant, brought to you by a card-carrying member of the progressive Democratic Party.
This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s not just that, it’s the idea that only Bernie’s ideas matter to put you on the progressive spectrum, and that means two issues: income inequality and Wall Street. But for some of us, we are just as if not more so passionate about gun control. That is a huge issue for me, and part of the reason I would never be a Bernie fan. But because Bernie did not push this issue, somehow caring passionately about gun control, or climate change, or women’s reproductive rights, etc etc don’t count. That irritates the hell out of me. I believe every single Dem cares about income inequality, it is a huge issue. But for me, Wall Street reform fell further down the list once Dodd-Frank was passed. Nina Turner was on Rachel tonight saying even if Hillary had selected Elizabeth Warren, not all of his supporters would have voted for her. If that’s the case, what is the point in even trying with these people? Go form your own party where only your ideas and concerns matter. I’ve pretty much had enough of them. I suspect Hillary’s calculation is that she’s got the ones she is going to get, and no matter what she does she won’t get some so let it go. They made huge gains with the Dem platform, but still not enough. They are as bad as the Tea Party, no compromise, all or nothing. Good luck with that.
End of rant:-)
I respect your rant! I’m also reminded of all the PUMAs of 2008, most of whom came around, so maybe many of the BS people will.
And – unfortunately, since I was once a big fan – I now just mute Nina Turner when I see her. She’s gone to the “my way or the highway” side. No, thanks. (End of my second mini-rant!)
Boy do I agree with your opinion of Nina Turner! I used to like her, but since she hooked up with Bernie she became a blind, unreasonable and obsessive person I do not wish to listen to.
Hope she gets her wits about her and returns – we need all the fighters we can get, INSIDE the party.
https://twitter.com/klorio/status/756678338152894464
….and I’m out
LP – That last one was a keeper! Thanks!
The number of people I fall in love it has just increased. Now, I must add Tim Kaine and his wife. Am I a lucky girl?!
okay after reading and learning more about Tim Kaine, I do feel better about Hillary’s choice. And as others have stated here: it is Hillary’s choice, she has to be comfortable with her vp. POTUS & VP Biden have shown what a united and loving partnership between a President & his VP looks like and how much better it is for our country. I like Kaine’s past as a civil rights attorney.. and that he’s also a no drama guy.
With you on all that! (It personally took me months to get used to the idea that Hillary would be our nominee – and only one evening to get used to Kaine – I guess that’s called progress!!!)
I know exactly what you mean, job 🙂
For me, the fact that Kaine endorsed then Senator Obama early for the presidency and that they are good friends, is enough to like this pick.
very much agree with you Betsy.
Okay people, Good Night and Pleasant Dreams! 🙂 🙂
❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤
Good Night, Chips Chica & Master DannyO. Rest well.
ps: I still miss you heaps and heaps!
but, I just got here !!!!
What’s your point? 😀 😀
#insomniaforya
Senator Tim Kaine was in the top tier for VP for POB. Read David Plouffe’s book, The Audacity to Win.(great read). I think Tim Kaine is a great pick, and I will do all that can to work hard for the ticket. The ticket is strong and it is positive and our country will depend on its a win with this ticket for this time in our lives.
May I say this, please? BS needs to shut up and move forward with us or stand alone and join the screaming choir with DT and others. And Rachel needs to shut the hell up also. HZ
It’s the feisty HZ! Good evening, and I wholeheartedly agree with your comments!
I’m with HZ
Amen, J’OB. Love you. HZ
Love you back, HZ!
#ClintonKaine two warriors set to continue the Obama legacy.
Goodnight, TODville, especially Chips and Nerdy, and all the ships at sea!
An anti-Trump Republican speaks:
totd
New post.
https://theobamadiary.com/2016/07/23/early-bird-chat-800/