WTF is wrong with this monstrous woman?! She did not use facts when dealing with the case. From the start she considered “Georgie” innocent and damned Trayvon Martin. This is racism at its worst. Something stinks in this trial.
GE Chips, TOD! Thank you….glad to see you up and about..I have been on lurk mode last few days w/ school. Back in action! Trying to to find an embed of the full A.G. Holder speech……added two clips. If you find one please do your magic.
Thanks Bobfr, unfortunately the coding is not WordPress friendly on C-Span….have to have software to convert to a youtube file…which I don’t have…still looking.
lmao at bbc’s desperate attempt to somehow ‘scandalize’ snowden saga. snowden seeks russian asylum was the screaming 24 point FP lede a few hours, then it was pushed to 12 point also-rans and now it’s back to FP as the 2nd lede on FP. Except gigibots.no one gives a shit, beebs.
I just told my sister the same thing Chips; especially after listening to number B37 juror. Her mind was made up against Trayvon before she was chosen.
Unfortunately, for many Americans the answer would still be Trayvon Martin. They talk about hoodies and tattoos, but Trayvon was DEFINED by his race. His blackness doomed him.
One juror was a holdout until the end—–“wanted to find him guilty of something”. Waited 30 minutes after everyone else had submitted final polling to add hers. Finally gave in. B37 didn’t seem interested in ever wanting to find him guilty of anything. But I join all the other Monday morning quarterbacking in pummeling the prosecution case. I thought it was really weak——started out really weak, had really weak witnesses——that medical examiner was the worst I’ve ever seen——and ended weak. And I think the lawyers on AC360 made a good point in that the defense had all these witnesses to testify for Zimmerman—-the best friend ever and really nice guy etc. etc.—–and the jury became more familiar with him—-thus identified more with him than Trayvon. The prosecution needed more witnesses to tell Trayvon’s story, to make him familiar to the jury, to enable them to identify with him as well. Other than family, they only had Rachel Jeantel, and I don’t think she did his case any favors. But probably the most critical thing in the case was the jury instructions—–even tho stand your ground wasn’t part of this case, oficially, those words were used in the jury instructions, convincing those predisposed to not guilty verdicts that they were right according to the law, that he had a right to defend himself if he feared great bodily harm—–and enabled them to bring the others who wanted to find him guilty along.
Too bad Trayvon wasn’t white. The verdict would have been different. Stalking, disobeying police orders to stay in the car and murdering a white teenager would at least warrant a manslaughter verdict. Do you disagree?
Trayvon’s fate was decided a second time with the choice of his legal team, the witnesses it brought, and the jury selected. I still cannot understand why there were no black mothers on the jury.
J B57’s interview revealed that her mind was made regardless of any evidence. She found GZ not guilty and would have not changed her mind for any reason. In addition, I would not be surprised that she was the leader “leading” the other holdouts to change their verdict. She kept on referring to GZ as “George”; that is how intimate she sees her relationship with him or rapport toward him. She came into to this trial with her predisposed disposition toward GZ with whom she relates. She would certainly not relate to Trayvon whom she saw through the lenses of Rachel Jeantel!
I wish she would sleep well, with her conscience intact. I wish GZ to enjoy his freedom and to keep killing young kids with whom he is not at ease.
Trayvon was the “Other” to these jurors. Had he been white, these jurors would have more easily identified with him, sympathized more with the pain of his parents. The jurors would have viewed Zimmerman as a threat to THEIR kids and grandkids if he had murdered a white teen. I believe the prosecution did not want to convict Zimmerman, that would explain the composition of the jury.
Nope! Double jeopardy tramps everything. Moreover, the federal government, from the get go, could not have prosecuted GZ for murder because all crimes (except in specific exceptions such as Bank robbery, drug dealing, carjacking, terrorism, Civil Rights Violation, hate crime etc., which are federal crimes) are exclusively a state matter. The only options left to the DOJ is to try GZ under Civil Rights’ statutes for violation of Trayvon’s Civil Rights, or. under the hate crimes statute for committing a hate crime. If convicted under either scenario he can serve a prison sentence. Either way, It won’t be easy.
The entire Florida courtroom is culpable (at least those who wield power — the judge, both sets of attorneys, the jury).
We would be wise to heed John Oliver’s advise from The Daily Show last night (posted on an earlier thread, but you view on TheDailyShow.com).
We have Florida to thank for the 2000 Bush v Gore. It seems like it’s been downhill since then. (No offense to Floridians, but honestly, this is a travesty.)
Father, Dick was tasked to get a VP running mate and he decimated all and self selected himself. Liz Cheney…..is challenging sen Enzi, a family Friend? Hmm?
Hi Nena, I removed all the others videos because too many slow up a thread, which is frustrating when there’s a discussion going on. Posting lots of music videos is fine in a music thread, hope you understand.
Thanks for this, Chipsticks, I have found that I can’t sty on the threads when there lots of music and vids, as I am on a somewhat limited data plan (5GB/mo) and it eats huge chunks of data to comment and refresh. That is why I do not attend in the evenings and night owls, nor can I ever watch the videos. Such is life, eh? 😉
How George Zimmerman’s Acquittal Became My Negro Wake-Up Call
Posted July 15, 2013 by Christina Coleman for Global Grind Staff
The rude alarm clock that propelled me back into my uncomfortable state of constant rage as a black woman in this country went shrieking when the judge read George Zimmerman’s “not guilty” verdict.
And this time, there were no snooze buttons, no temporary celebratory black wins to even the score with the insatiable race monster, no easy way to swallow the pill.
It seemed the victory I thought we would gain, standing on the precipice of this undoubtedly historic trial, had crumbled in my hands. Harsh. Hard. And then gone. Like someone had splashed cold water on my slumbering mind…
I don’t get Booman lately. He seems to have a different take on most everything; not a complete opposite; just on the fringe different than what I used to see him write. He took exception to Charles Pierce’s post from yesterday for some odd reason; I think basically Booman saying that racism and violence existed before this trial. Huh? Ya think? I don’t get it. http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2013/7/15/01525/2002
And to the issue of black on black violence I saw statistics that crime has to do with location and income level. So white on white crime is high too in areas where there is only whites and low incomes/unemployment.
“The Zimmerman trial jurors didn’t write any laws. They didn’t issue any judicial opinions. They didn’t create any actual legal precedent.”
Whoever argued that? Not Charles Pierce. “The judgment, when it finally came, was a dull and predictable thing,” he said.
All that jury did was rubber-stamp existing prejudices, and allow yet another murderer go free. On we go. I didn’t take anything from Pierce’s post that suggested he believed otherwise – his fear, it seemed to me, was that people like Zimmerman will be emboldened by the verdict and trust that the ‘law’ will be even more on their side after this travesty. And he’s probably right.
““The Zimmerman trial jurors didn’t write any laws. They didn’t issue any judicial opinions. They didn’t create any actual legal precedent.”
This is really a stupid statement. No other jury has ever done any of these things Booman listed. Only the Federal and State legislatures “write laws.” (lLocal governments (LG) do write laws too, but LGs are regarded as sub-divisions of the State governments.) Only Federal and State judges issue “judicial opinions” and “create …legal precedent.” Legislators do not hand down verdicts in laws suits. While Trial Judges do decide cases that are not tried by juries, the fact of the matter is: its the juries that decide cases. George Zimmerman was found “Not Guilty” not by Judges, or theLegislators, but by the six jurors! Sure they may have been influenced by the Fl. laws and by the presiding judge’s instructions, but the ultimate decision was theirs and theirs alone! It’s silly to try to excuse their failure to dispense justice by suggesting that they were somehow innocent bystanders who were simply doing what the legislators and judges wanted them to do. If that’s the case, what’s the use of having juries?
The Obama Diary 
Bet y’all didn’t know there was a part 2 to B37’s interview. It’s on AC360 now. My TL is lighting up.
LL
Didn’t know til a minute ago LL, I think I’m relieved I missed it:
Yes, he died. That’s a huge role. What an idiotic woman.
Honestly pkayden, as I said yesterday, next time someone tells us we should respect jurors’ decisions …… well….
WTF is wrong with this monstrous woman?! She did not use facts when dealing with the case. From the start she considered “Georgie” innocent and damned Trayvon Martin. This is racism at its worst. Something stinks in this trial.
“I think [Zimmerman] had good in his heart, he just went overboard.”
UT, there are no words for this….
Bobfr
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😆 Hey! At least I’m running with the big guys! 😆
Hi there, MP!!! 🙂
holy mackerel I take a day off – there’s so much that’s happened. Chips that previous post is a monster and LP look at this post!! 😀
Well. I’ll be back later after I catch up!
thanks Chips and LP 🙂
Magnificent post LP!!!
Totally second that, Laylat! UT, Chips, LP, they’ve been “magnificent” all day, as always!
Thank you SO much LP, wonderful post – especially love the world reaction.
GE Chips, TOD! Thank you….glad to see you up and about..I have been on lurk mode last few days w/ school. Back in action! Trying to to find an embed of the full A.G. Holder speech……added two clips. If you find one please do your magic.
Excellent thread, LP.
Chips, the previous thread was outstanding, as usual.
Thank you, both!!
LP – Here’s the CSPAN link: http://www.c-span.org/flvPop.aspx?id=10737440480
Perhaps you or Chips can embed it.
Thanks Bobfr, unfortunately the coding is not WordPress friendly on C-Span….have to have software to convert to a youtube file…which I don’t have…still looking.
Applauding and bowing to you LP! OUTSTANDING POST!!
Me too…lends perspective!…the world is watching to see how we walk the walkk
lmao at bbc’s desperate attempt to somehow ‘scandalize’ snowden saga. snowden seeks russian asylum was the screaming 24 point FP lede a few hours, then it was pushed to 12 point also-rans and now it’s back to FP as the 2nd lede on FP. Except gigibots.no one gives a shit, beebs.
Apparently, Hayes is conducting a good discussion re: Trayvon. Color me shocked.
That last photo of Trayvon is so adorable. So sad for his parents and brother. May something good come out of this tragedy.
The bill allowing same-sex couples to marry in England and Wales has passed its final hurdle in Parliament.
The government legislation is now due to get royal assent, after which it is likely to become law later this week.
The Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat leaderships all backed the bill, after the Lords approved the changes on Monday.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23338279
Great to know!
what was the vote count, jovie ? along the party lines ?
66-34
2-1? hmmm, that’s not bad. Any idea which rethugs folded ?
Cannot find anything as yet AMK
I haz that in the next thread.
Yep! This is where AG Holder comes in…..
I just told my sister the same thing Chips; especially after listening to number B37 juror. Her mind was made up against Trayvon before she was chosen.
Of course, I always look at things a little cockeyed, but I don’t think the prosecution was trying to win. I don’t think that was ever the plan.
Absolutely COS, she is ugly to the core.
Noms will gought through Sen. Harkin’s HELP committee next Tues. Confirmed on Thursday.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/07/16/2312051/texas-democrats-death-penalty-abortion/
Texas Lawmaker Introduces Bill To Block Abortion Restrictions Until The Death Penalty Is Abolished
bbc is also parroting the same line without once mentioning the 100% intransigence of rethugs that led to this.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23336642
great tweet Dudette!
So who’s the thug?
Unfortunately, for many Americans the answer would still be Trayvon Martin. They talk about hoodies and tattoos, but Trayvon was DEFINED by his race. His blackness doomed him.
Dudette,
This is so totally off-topic, but reminded by your penguin posting last thread.
If you ever have the opportunity to go to Alaska, the aquarium there was built with funds from Exxon-Valdez.
It’s absolutely spectacular. The aquarium is open at the top, so you see the Arctic birds coming and going. Mesmerizing. You could watch for hours.
On that note, Exxon-Valdez still hasn’t paid for long-term environmental damage:
Here’s the pic Dudette posted on the last thread:
Cool
Happy feet!
One juror was a holdout until the end—–“wanted to find him guilty of something”. Waited 30 minutes after everyone else had submitted final polling to add hers. Finally gave in. B37 didn’t seem interested in ever wanting to find him guilty of anything. But I join all the other Monday morning quarterbacking in pummeling the prosecution case. I thought it was really weak——started out really weak, had really weak witnesses——that medical examiner was the worst I’ve ever seen——and ended weak. And I think the lawyers on AC360 made a good point in that the defense had all these witnesses to testify for Zimmerman—-the best friend ever and really nice guy etc. etc.—–and the jury became more familiar with him—-thus identified more with him than Trayvon. The prosecution needed more witnesses to tell Trayvon’s story, to make him familiar to the jury, to enable them to identify with him as well. Other than family, they only had Rachel Jeantel, and I don’t think she did his case any favors. But probably the most critical thing in the case was the jury instructions—–even tho stand your ground wasn’t part of this case, oficially, those words were used in the jury instructions, convincing those predisposed to not guilty verdicts that they were right according to the law, that he had a right to defend himself if he feared great bodily harm—–and enabled them to bring the others who wanted to find him guilty along.
Too bad Trayvon wasn’t white. The verdict would have been different. Stalking, disobeying police orders to stay in the car and murdering a white teenager would at least warrant a manslaughter verdict. Do you disagree?
Trayvon’s fate was decided a second time with the choice of his legal team, the witnesses it brought, and the jury selected. I still cannot understand why there were no black mothers on the jury.
J B57’s interview revealed that her mind was made regardless of any evidence. She found GZ not guilty and would have not changed her mind for any reason. In addition, I would not be surprised that she was the leader “leading” the other holdouts to change their verdict. She kept on referring to GZ as “George”; that is how intimate she sees her relationship with him or rapport toward him. She came into to this trial with her predisposed disposition toward GZ with whom she relates. She would certainly not relate to Trayvon whom she saw through the lenses of Rachel Jeantel!
I wish she would sleep well, with her conscience intact. I wish GZ to enjoy his freedom and to keep killing young kids with whom he is not at ease.
Trayvon was the “Other” to these jurors. Had he been white, these jurors would have more easily identified with him, sympathized more with the pain of his parents. The jurors would have viewed Zimmerman as a threat to THEIR kids and grandkids if he had murdered a white teen. I believe the prosecution did not want to convict Zimmerman, that would explain the composition of the jury.
I kind of agree with you, sad to say.
WTF?!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is it possible to declare a mistrial by DOJ and start all over again? Double jeopardy notwithstanding.
Nope! Double jeopardy tramps everything. Moreover, the federal government, from the get go, could not have prosecuted GZ for murder because all crimes (except in specific exceptions such as Bank robbery, drug dealing, carjacking, terrorism, Civil Rights Violation, hate crime etc., which are federal crimes) are exclusively a state matter. The only options left to the DOJ is to try GZ under Civil Rights’ statutes for violation of Trayvon’s Civil Rights, or. under the hate crimes statute for committing a hate crime. If convicted under either scenario he can serve a prison sentence. Either way, It won’t be easy.
The entire Florida courtroom is culpable (at least those who wield power — the judge, both sets of attorneys, the jury).
We would be wise to heed John Oliver’s advise from The Daily Show last night (posted on an earlier thread, but you view on TheDailyShow.com).
We have Florida to thank for the 2000 Bush v Gore. It seems like it’s been downhill since then. (No offense to Floridians, but honestly, this is a travesty.)
He’s adorable enough…. even without that Manchester United jersey!
😀
Axe for the win!!! 😆
Father, Dick was tasked to get a VP running mate and he decimated all and self selected himself. Liz Cheney…..is challenging sen Enzi, a family Friend? Hmm?
Love Axe!
GOP always accuse Dems of being humorless, but I think they’ve got it exactly backward.
The MSM will never criticize Republicans alone. They save that for Dems. Republicans are only criticized in a “both sides do it” manner.
Just a reminder that GZ dad…was a judge in that town. Just sayin’….
correction…he wasn’t a judge in that town but here’s some info:
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/did-george-zimmermans-father-talk-sanford-p
Interesting!
oh DF, I’ve had that on my mind the moment I saw the “not guilty” verdict.
Bet it’s not just me when I say there was something going on with that…
You are not alone! Some thing stinks! Too many holes that I hope the DOJ investigation will begin to plug.
Loving these!
They are absolutely lovely!
Born this way
How did the other 2 videos vanish? I saw them posted. Anybody? Okay….I am out.
Hi Nena, I removed all the others videos because too many slow up a thread, which is frustrating when there’s a discussion going on. Posting lots of music videos is fine in a music thread, hope you understand.
I was showing my support for all those posting pictures of their sons, brothers, nephews, etc. My apologies.
No worries.
Thanks for this, Chipsticks, I have found that I can’t sty on the threads when there lots of music and vids, as I am on a somewhat limited data plan (5GB/mo) and it eats huge chunks of data to comment and refresh. That is why I do not attend in the evenings and night owls, nor can I ever watch the videos. Such is life, eh? 😉
https://twitter.com/seenasCarla/status/357213064300474369
It’s a great campaign. Smart move.
YES…I love it!
Indeed! Very creative and drives the message home. Essence should be commended for this!
wonderful campaign. looks like it’s taking off!
It’s soul wrenching.
https://twitter.com/LOLGOP/status/357305952392855552
https://twitter.com/mdrfl/status/357306881225670656
Chips is on twitter ripping David Sirota a new one 😆 😆 😆
:)!!!
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-next-zimmerman-fox-reports-on-76-year-old-white-man-on-trial-for-killing-13-year-old-black-child/
The shooter was arrested. In the Zimmer case, for 44 days, no arrest was made. This kid in Milwaukee, WI was only 13 yrs old.
mental illness my foot. He is a fucking racist mofo.
{{{{{ Bob }}}}}
Great tweet, Bob!
Thanks for all of these Dudette. Retweeted all with a huge lump in my throat,tears feeling a strange mixture of pride, sadness and anger.
Me too purple. Aw, here I go again! Where’s my tissue?
How George Zimmerman’s Acquittal Became My Negro Wake-Up Call
Posted July 15, 2013 by Christina Coleman for Global Grind Staff
The rude alarm clock that propelled me back into my uncomfortable state of constant rage as a black woman in this country went shrieking when the judge read George Zimmerman’s “not guilty” verdict.
And this time, there were no snooze buttons, no temporary celebratory black wins to even the score with the insatiable race monster, no easy way to swallow the pill.
It seemed the victory I thought we would gain, standing on the precipice of this undoubtedly historic trial, had crumbled in my hands. Harsh. Hard. And then gone. Like someone had splashed cold water on my slumbering mind…
I woke the fuck up.
Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/how-george-zimmermans-acquittal-became-my-negro-wake-up-call-blog#ixzz2ZGHvRM6l
http://theobamadiary.com/2013/07/16/laughter-is-good/
New Post.
We will not have a holocaust of our young male children. They are too precious.
I don’t get Booman lately. He seems to have a different take on most everything; not a complete opposite; just on the fringe different than what I used to see him write. He took exception to Charles Pierce’s post from yesterday for some odd reason; I think basically Booman saying that racism and violence existed before this trial. Huh? Ya think? I don’t get it.
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2013/7/15/01525/2002
And to the issue of black on black violence I saw statistics that crime has to do with location and income level. So white on white crime is high too in areas where there is only whites and low incomes/unemployment.
A curious post.
“The Zimmerman trial jurors didn’t write any laws. They didn’t issue any judicial opinions. They didn’t create any actual legal precedent.”
Whoever argued that? Not Charles Pierce. “The judgment, when it finally came, was a dull and predictable thing,” he said.
All that jury did was rubber-stamp existing prejudices, and allow yet another murderer go free. On we go. I didn’t take anything from Pierce’s post that suggested he believed otherwise – his fear, it seemed to me, was that people like Zimmerman will be emboldened by the verdict and trust that the ‘law’ will be even more on their side after this travesty. And he’s probably right.
Maybe his mom was on the jury.
““The Zimmerman trial jurors didn’t write any laws. They didn’t issue any judicial opinions. They didn’t create any actual legal precedent.”
This is really a stupid statement. No other jury has ever done any of these things Booman listed. Only the Federal and State legislatures “write laws.” (lLocal governments (LG) do write laws too, but LGs are regarded as sub-divisions of the State governments.) Only Federal and State judges issue “judicial opinions” and “create …legal precedent.” Legislators do not hand down verdicts in laws suits. While Trial Judges do decide cases that are not tried by juries, the fact of the matter is: its the juries that decide cases. George Zimmerman was found “Not Guilty” not by Judges, or theLegislators, but by the six jurors! Sure they may have been influenced by the Fl. laws and by the presiding judge’s instructions, but the ultimate decision was theirs and theirs alone! It’s silly to try to excuse their failure to dispense justice by suggesting that they were somehow innocent bystanders who were simply doing what the legislators and judges wanted them to do. If that’s the case, what’s the use of having juries?
Exactly. Booman has always been somewhat of an Eeyore which is fine but generally doesn’t post false arguments to make a point.
Zimmerman better hope that someone doesn’t decide to ‘stand their ground’ with him.
I don’t think it will end well for Zimmerman.
Eric, the way the right wingers have inflamed their followers, I don’t think it will end well for the country as a whole.