177 Responses to “The Lie Detector Test”

  1. September 22, 2017 at 9:06 am

    Good Morning, Everyone 🙂

  2. September 22, 2017 at 9:06 am

    Thanks for all you do, NW. You absolutely rock 🙂

  3. September 22, 2017 at 9:06 am

    Kimmel: these guys won’t tell the truth so I have to
    Jimmy Kimmel spends a third night explaining why his health care fight is worth the risk and this time he takes on the President. Joy Reid, Eugene Robinson and Josh Earnest join Lawrence O’Donnell.

  4. 8 whenpamelawandered
    September 22, 2017 at 9:23 am


  5. September 22, 2017 at 9:26 am

    It probably shouldn’t come as a surprise that David Horowitz would espouse white supremacist sentiments.

    Coates has only hateful things to say about whites and America, a country that freed his ancestors, made him famous, privileged and rich. https://t.co/Cr4ayhjo4b

    — David Horowitz (@horowitz39) September 21, 2017

    Suggesting that African Americans should be grateful that, after almost 250 years and a Civil War, we finally ended slavery is bad enough. But think for a moment about who Horowitz credits for the brilliance of Coates’ writing, which is what brought him a modicum of fame and fortune…white America.

    Let’s add this one to the list, “You might be a white supremacist if you think white people deserve credit for the achievements of black people.”

  6. 15 GGAIL
    September 22, 2017 at 9:26 am

    Good West Coast morning NW & TOD family.
    Jimmy Kimmel is doing his part and reaching thousands of people.

    Thanks Jimmy!

    Let’s keep calling 😘

  7. September 22, 2017 at 9:36 am

    Trump aides ‘aren’t sure’ about real-world impact of repeal bill
    09/22/17 09:20 AM
    By Steve Benen


    One official said the concerns from governors have alarmed some in the White House – and that “we really aren’t sure what the impact will be” of passing the bill.

    At least we’ve achieved some degree of unanimity on this: congressional Republicans who are eager to pass the bill have no idea what would happen if it’s implemented, and the president who’s eager to sign the bill is similarly clueless. None of these GOP officials has the foggiest idea how many Americans would lose coverage, how unstable the markets would become, how states would respond, or how much more consumers would pay for care – but it might pass next week anyway.

  8. 19 arapaho415
    September 22, 2017 at 9:36 am

    GM TODville, thanks NerdyW, for EARLY BIRD thread this morning!

    While next week’s Alabama GOP runoff election is getting all the media attention, the election to replace Jeff “I’m A Proud Racist” Sessions’ Senate seat is December 12.

    Would LOVE to see Dem candidate Doug Jones take Sessions’ former seat — he speaks “southernese,” something needed to combat FUBAR’s white supremacist agenda, such as:

    Although I’m not familiar with Alabama state politics, Doug Jones’ tweet makes me think he is the right person to pass the torch of progress to:

    If you didn’t listen to Charles Morgan’s speech last week (or earlier), it’s a good one to bookmark, to remember how far in reverse we’ve gone since Jan 20.

    All this for background on WHY CAN’T GOP SPELL AND/OR PROOFREAD? (As the old saying goes, it’s as big as a BUS.)

    So Doug Jones’ staff redirected the misspelled (extra R in “deserves”) website URL to Doug Jones’ campaign site. 😉

  9. September 22, 2017 at 9:42 am

    A poster over at Balloon Juice had read this and had become concerned, and asked this great question (as if we needed anymore to be worried about with these heinous sociopaths):

    I was just reading about the bill’s elimination of all Obamacare spending in 2026, and it occurred to me – is this bit intended to play games with deficit neutrality for their forthcoming tax cut bill? It’s the only thing I’ve heard about in the bill that has that time frame. It makes me think about how under reconciliation tax cuts that aren’t deficit neutral can’t be permanent (renewal vote after ten years), so maybe having that spending end right at that mark will allow them to make tax cuts permanent, without taking the political hit for cutting spending now. Can someone more knowledgeable confirm/debunk?

    • September 22, 2017 at 9:43 am

      This was the response by Mayhew at Balloon Juice:

      The 2026 CBO landmine in Cassidy-Graham
      by David Anderson
      at 8:26 am on September 22, 2017

      Almost but not quite. This is not a move for reconciliation. Reconciliation requires a bill bring down the deficit by the target amount in the ten year budget window AND not add to the deficit after the target window. If CG spending was a mandatory, infinite appropriation the combination of keeping most of the taxes and ratcheting down Medicaid spending via block grants would satisfy the deficit neutrality provision.

      So it is not for reconciliation that the spending on the block grants get shut off in 2026 but the taxes continue.

      It is a landmine that is waiting to be triggered in 2026.

      Presumably, Congress would not want to throw millions of more people off their insurance (yes, that is a significant assumption) so they would want to re-appropriate the block grants. However under Congressional procedures, discretionary spending increases above the baseline should be off-set with “pay-fors” which are either higher taxes or reductions in other spending. If the spending and the taxes both sunset in 2026, Congress could pass a bill saying “Keep on doing what we’ve been doing on taxes and spending” and have the new block grant for another 10 years be off-set by business as usual.

      However that is not how the bill is set up. The taxes continue into the future so they are already incorporated into the baseline. The individual insurance block grants are not in the baseline so they need to be offset. And that produces conservative leverage points for massive cuts to either the block grant or other discretionary spending. The trade-off that Cassidy-Graham is trying to set up is “Health Insurance OR (CHIP and SNAP and Education and FBI and IRS and LIHEAP) ”

      If Democrats control both chambers, the work-around is to build their budgets on “current policy” instead of the more typical “current law” baseline. If there is at least one chamber controlled by Republicans, things get ugly.

      Sigh…the evil never sleeps with these muthaphuckas.

    • 22 Dudette
      September 22, 2017 at 10:44 am

      Uncle Joe is campaigning for him. If I were in Alabama, that alone would get Doug Jones my vote.

  10. September 22, 2017 at 9:46 am

    Even though we don’t have a CBO score on the latest version of the Legislative Evil known as Trumpcare, there are plenty of organizations that have stepped up to the plate to tell the truth about it:


    Six Cassidy-Graham State Funds Flow Analyses
    by David Anderson
    at 7:56 am on September 22, 2017

    The post below is an inventory of five separate analysis of the flow of funds between states under Cassidy-Graham-Heller-Johnson in 2026 compared to current law as projected by the Congressional Budget Office. I am collecting and collating the information.

  11. September 22, 2017 at 9:47 am

    Trump government hires based on politics, not qualifications
    Rachel Maddow looks at the grifty nature of the Trump administration, from handing out government jobs to unqualified staffers as a political favor, to cabinet members using their office to increase their own wealth.

  12. 26 arapaho415
    September 22, 2017 at 9:48 am

    And for Nena… I’m jumping the gun on her weather report (from @nycjim’s Twitter timeline this morning) — meanwhile, in SoCal where we absolutely SUFFERED at the beginning of the month with sweltering temps of 100F plus, and nighttime lows in the 80Fs, it’s 50F now (which is an unusually cool Sept morning for us):

  13. September 22, 2017 at 9:49 am

    Trump finds others to pay family legal bills
    Craig Holman, government affairs lobbyist for Public Citizen, talks with Rachel Maddow the laws around how money raised for a presidential inauguration can be spent.

  14. September 22, 2017 at 9:50 am

    uh huh
    uh huh

    Grassley runs into conflict with Mueller investigation
    Ron Weich, former assistant attorney general for legislative affairs, talks with Rachel Maddow about which investigation takes precedence when Congress conflicts with Robert Mueller.

  15. September 22, 2017 at 9:53 am

    All numbers begin 202-224:
    Graham 5971
    Cassidy 5824
    Capito 6472
    Murkowski 6665
    Collins 2523
    Gardner 5941
    Flake 4521
    McCain 2235
    Portman 3353

    — Scott Dworkin (@funder) September 20, 2017

  16. September 22, 2017 at 9:54 am

    Shirley C‏ @ghhshirley

    McCain & Murkowski are taking all calls from anywhere. Spoke with both their staff.

    35 replies 484 retweets 1,493 likes

  17. 33 desertflower
    September 22, 2017 at 10:25 am

    Brave Anna! Braver than the liars who lie to the faces of their constituents!

  18. 35 desertflower
    September 22, 2017 at 10:27 am

  19. September 22, 2017 at 10:28 am

    Governors become important foes of Republican repeal plan
    09/22/17 10:14 AM
    By Steve Benen

    Gov. Brian Sandoval said Thursday that the flexibility fellow Republican Sen. Dean Heller promised will be good for Nevada in a health-care bill he’s sponsoring is a “false choice” because the legislation will also slash funding.

    Sandoval, in a statement to The Nevada Independent, said he would not “pit seniors, children, families, the mentally ill, the critically ill, hospitals, care providers or any other Nevadan against each other” because of the steep cuts to federal funding the state would face if the Heller-sponsored measure were to pass. A state analysis, also obtained by The Nevada Independent, agrees with independent calculations from various health-care organizations estimating Nevada will lose between $600 million and $2 billion in federal funding by 2026 if the legislation passes.

    Sandoval is hardly alone. Even if we put aside criticism from Democratic governors – whom GOP senators are inclined to ignore – the number of Republican governors who are publicly opposed to the Graham-Cassidy plan continues to grow.

  20. September 22, 2017 at 10:30 am

    Daniel Dale‏Verified account @ddale8 2h2 hours ago
    We’re on Trumpcare 4.0. He still has not been asked about, or addressed out loud, the promise-breaking Medicaid cuts in every version.

  21. 39 desertflower
    September 22, 2017 at 10:30 am

  22. 40 desertflower
    September 22, 2017 at 10:37 am

    big post lost in WP Wonderland…

  23. 41 arapaho415
    September 22, 2017 at 10:38 am

    After this week’s series of natural disasters, here’s a brief pick-me-up:

  24. 45 desertflower
    September 22, 2017 at 10:46 am

    Moving quote. Speaks to so many of us

    “I was astonished, bewildered. This was America, a country where, whatever its faults, people could speak, write, assemble, demonstrate without fear. It was in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights. We were a democracy… But I knew it wasn’t a dream; there was a painful lump on the side of my head… The state and its police were not neutral referees in a society of contending interests. They were on the side of the rich and powerful. Free speech? Try it and the police will be there with their horses, their clubs, their guns, to stop you. From that moment on, I was no longer a liberal, a believer in the self-correcting character of American democracy. I was a radical, believing that something fundamental was wrong in this country—not just the existence of poverty amidst great wealth, not just the horrible treatment of black people, but something rotten at the root. The situation required not just a new president or new laws, but an uprooting of the old order, the introduction of a new kind of society—cooperative, peaceful, egalitarian.”
    ~Howard Zinn, You Can’t Be Neutral on a Moving Train: A Personal History of Our Times (1994)

  25. 48 JER
    September 22, 2017 at 10:50 am

  26. September 22, 2017 at 10:51 am

    Is anyone calling Klobucher and Bernie’s offices, asking why they’re doing this bullshyt thing on CNN?

    This should be about killing TRUMPCARE.

    This should be about shoring up Obamacare and saving healthcare for 32 million people.


    • 54 Judith Fardig
      September 22, 2017 at 11:31 am


    • 55 sherijr
      September 22, 2017 at 12:16 pm

      Yes I find this to be so selfish… I would bet money on Bernie trashing Obamacare during this “townhall”. That is my biggest fear, that he is so gung ho for what he wants that he is missing the point, right now we have to save what we have- Obamacare, period.

  27. 56 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 10:53 am

  28. 57 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 10:53 am

  29. 58 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 10:56 am

  30. 59 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 10:56 am

  31. 61 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 10:57 am

  32. 62 desertflower
    September 22, 2017 at 11:09 am

    These must be a combination of big donors and ignorant fans

  33. 63 ydavis00
    September 22, 2017 at 11:11 am

  34. 64 desertflower
    September 22, 2017 at 11:12 am

  35. 65 ydavis00
    September 22, 2017 at 11:14 am

  36. 66 desertflower
    September 22, 2017 at 11:15 am

    So it’s PRICE that wants to be GOD and determine who lives and dies??? How is this anything like the state’s having their own say?? LIARS GONNA LIE! This is a clusterfuck that I hope blows up in their faces BIG TIME

  37. 67 ydavis00
    September 22, 2017 at 11:16 am

  38. 68 desertflower
    September 22, 2017 at 11:21 am

    Share with everyone. ESPECIALLY SENATORS

  39. 69 desertflower
    September 22, 2017 at 11:22 am

  40. September 22, 2017 at 11:36 am

    If you note…this is BELOW the 27% Crazyfication Factor.

    Poll shows weak public support for latest Republican repeal plan
    09/22/17 11:20 AM
    By Steve Benen


    But what about the public? There hasn’t been much in the way of polling – the legislation was only introduced last week – but Vox this morning highlighted what I believe is the first national survey on the pending proposal.

    With their deadline fast approaching, Senate Republicans’ rush to repeal and replace Obamacare remains as unpopular as ever with the public.

    Only 24 percent of Americans support Graham-Cassidy, the health care bill Republicans are furiously whipping to pass ahead of September 30, according to a new poll released Thursday by Public Policy Polling. The poll is the first to date of the proposed legislation, which would cripple Obamacare’s exchanges and sharply cut long-term Medicaid spending while also taking billions of funding from blue states that implemented Obamacare and giving it to red ones that did not.

  41. 73 desertflower
    September 22, 2017 at 11:58 am

    So. Betsy DeVos says GO AHEAD WITH THOSE CAMPUS SEXUAL ASSAULTS. ALL GOOD. The person being assaulted must have done something to invite his/her attacker to invade their person.

  42. September 22, 2017 at 12:20 pm

  43. 81 JER
    September 22, 2017 at 12:22 pm

  44. 82 desertflower
    September 22, 2017 at 12:27 pm


  45. 84 desertflower
    September 22, 2017 at 12:33 pm

    Entire important thread.

  46. 85 JER
    September 22, 2017 at 12:35 pm

  47. 89 desertflower
    September 22, 2017 at 12:40 pm

  48. 90 desertflower
    September 22, 2017 at 12:40 pm

  49. September 22, 2017 at 1:49 pm

    GOP ‘moderates’ give up on concessions they once deemed important
    09/22/17 12:44 PM
    By Steve Benen


    Two months later, those same senators have apparently decided they no longer care about these conditions. Roll Call reported this week:

    Republican senators face the prospect of backtracking from their previous public stances in order to support fast-moving legislation that would significantly overhaul the U.S. health care system.

    Concerns about the impact on people suffering from opioid addiction, drastic cuts to Medicaid and the lack of robust analysis from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office appear to have vanished as the GOP hopes to advance a bill to repeal the 2010 health law before the fast-track budget reconciliation mechanism they are using expires on Sept. 30.

    It’s almost as if many Senate Republicans weren’t especially serious about their stated principles. Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) said he opposed Medicaid cuts. Portman and Capito prioritized opioid investments. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said he cared about a legitimate, thorough process – including a proper score from the Congressional Budget Office – and a lengthy policy debate.

  50. September 22, 2017 at 1:51 pm

    One of fascist Dotard’s potty tweets today accused Jong Un of being “a madman who doesn’t mind starving or killing his people.”
    -Does he know the KOCH/Graham repeal bill will kill lots and lots of people.
    (Does the Dicktraitor know it was the Heritage Foundation (KOCH) that first proposed the “individual mandate” for their own reasons.)

  51. 93 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 1:56 pm

    • 94 arapaho415
      September 22, 2017 at 2:29 pm

      GA Dudette.

      I clicked on that Twitter “Moment,” and IMO, there are too many photos of Melania — who swats away FUBAR’s hand in public (ugh) and who FUBAR can’t command an ability to even *know* she’s standing right next to him — so here’s my tweets on the subject (all about OUR #ForeverFLOTUS.

      Link to @Politico article:

    • September 22, 2017 at 2:36 pm

      I can’t stand this woman but I applaud her continuation of this event and I hope she was moved by her interaction with local school children and healthy eating. There’s a LOT to learn from interacting with nature and young hearts.

      • 96 Dudette
        September 22, 2017 at 2:38 pm

        This! 👆🏾

      • 97 Obama Grandmama
        September 22, 2017 at 9:43 pm

        I have been hating hearing and reading the severe criticisms of Melania Trump about her continuing Michelle’s healthy eating garden. What would the critics want? Would they want her to abandon it? Michelle must be glad Melania is continuing her work. Michelle left the garden with private continuing funding so it would be difficult to just abandon. There are plenty of things to criticize so I am glad you voiced support for this.

  52. September 22, 2017 at 2:01 pm

    Hoping Jimmy hears this story even if for now he’s busy helping Obamacare/ACA to go on saving precious lives.
    Undocumented Parents Arrested at Children’s Hospital While Awaiting Their Infant Son’s Surgery: https://splinternews.com/undocumented-parents-arrested-at-childrens-hospital-whi-1818621039

  53. 99 jacquelineoboomer
    September 22, 2017 at 2:04 pm

    McCain will vote NO on the GOP Deathcare bill.

  54. 109 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 2:20 pm

  55. 111 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 2:22 pm

  56. 112 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 2:23 pm

  57. 113 Don
    September 22, 2017 at 2:26 pm

    Trump’s speech tonight in Alabama of all places should be a dumpster fire of epic proportions. I think Trump might go full metal jacket tonight.

  58. 114 JER
    September 22, 2017 at 2:28 pm

    • 115 Don
      September 22, 2017 at 2:42 pm

      There are no wrong times to protest, Whomever choses to go speak at any university must understand that the students at that particular university have their own values and beliefs that at times might be the exact opposite of the speaker.

  59. 116 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 2:29 pm

  60. 118 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 2:30 pm

  61. 119 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 2:30 pm

  62. 120 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 2:31 pm

  63. September 22, 2017 at 2:33 pm

    Keeping my fingers crossed that McCain does not change his mind under pressure from the other THUGS.

    JIMMY KIMMEL is my new HERO!!!! Right up there in 2nd place after BARACK.

  64. 122 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 2:33 pm

  65. 123 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 2:37 pm

    • 124 0388jojothecat
      September 22, 2017 at 2:56 pm

      women, children, and the weakest in our society……..for billionaires tax cuts. Save the Kochs money the GOP will loose in 2018 with or without their PAC/Bribe money.

      • 125 Dudette
        September 22, 2017 at 2:58 pm

        Let’s hope enough of the gerrymandering, voter suppression, hacked voting machines and crooked vote count problems are fixed in time.

  66. 126 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 2:39 pm

  67. September 22, 2017 at 2:43 pm

    Johnson spoke about 1 single solitary hearing (remember the countless for the ACA). Collins in July : “You don’t take a safety net program & change it in fundamental ways without having a single hearing. http://www.pressherald.com/2017/07/21/sen-susan-collins-slams-efforts-to-repeal-and-replace-affordable-care-act/

  68. 128 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 2:43 pm

    Anybody what other Senators are definite No’s?

  69. 131 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 2:46 pm

  70. 133 Nena20409
    September 22, 2017 at 2:47 pm

    Hello, TOD Village.
    So Sen McCain has decided to be a No on this Graham/Cassidy Monstrosity. I just called his office to say Thanks! The Cynic in me is attributing this No Vote coming 1 week One day early to His Daughter, Meghan (sp) seeking for a job as a onservative View Panelist. I don’t care, really. I am glad for this No stand, 8 days out.
    Congrats, Rikyrah on your Au ⭐
    Thank you, NW…….You Rock!
    ❤ TODbots.

  71. 135 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 2:47 pm

  72. 136 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 2:48 pm


    • 137 0388jojothecat
      September 22, 2017 at 2:52 pm

      I am ok with that……McCain should join Sen Collins to help improve OCare.

      • 138 Dudette
        September 22, 2017 at 2:56 pm

        Yup. They should just do it, get Murkowski in on it, together with all the Dems and Inds, it would be a done deal. They’d just have to find a way to force McConnell and relevant committee chairs to do the right thing.

  73. 139 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 2:50 pm

  74. 142 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 2:54 pm

  75. 143 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 3:01 pm

  76. 144 Nena20409
    September 22, 2017 at 3:02 pm

  77. 148 desertflower
    September 22, 2017 at 3:03 pm

    McCain’s local office has full voice mail. Called D.C. office and said TY!!!

  78. 149 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 3:04 pm

  79. 150 Nena20409
    September 22, 2017 at 3:06 pm

    • 151 Dudette
      September 22, 2017 at 3:09 pm

      😳 More horrors. Oh my goodness!

    • 152 Dudette
      September 22, 2017 at 3:10 pm

      In a normal universe

      • 153 0388jojothecat
        September 22, 2017 at 3:15 pm

        DOTARD-in-Chief is golfing of course……no mention of this by the liberal media that hounded PBO on the oil leek in the gulf for months about him not doing enough to stop it but not the company CEO who caused it. Every damn thing that was a disaster was PBO’s Katrina.

  80. 154 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 3:06 pm

  81. 155 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 3:07 pm

  82. 161 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 3:21 pm

    Keep reading the thread…

  83. 163 Nena20409
    September 22, 2017 at 3:23 pm

    Jesus Christ
    Have Mercy!

  84. 165 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 3:24 pm

    Writer for Jimmy Kimmel Live 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  85. 168 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 3:25 pm

  86. 169 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 3:26 pm

  87. 170 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 3:27 pm

  88. 171 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 3:28 pm

  89. 172 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 3:30 pm

  90. 173 Nena20409
    September 22, 2017 at 3:33 pm

  91. 174 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 3:40 pm

  92. 176 Dudette
    September 22, 2017 at 3:43 pm

  93. September 22, 2017 at 3:47 pm

    Puerto Rico dam bursts in wake of Hurricane Maria

    A dam has failed and caused “extremely dangerous” flooding on Puerto Rico’s Guajataca river in the wake of Hurricane Maria, authorities say.
    The National Weather Service (NWS) said buses were “currently evacuating people from the area as quickly as they can”.
    At least 13 people have died on the US territory since Maria ripped through Puerto Rico, devastating homes and knocking out the island’s electricity.
    The island’s governor has called it the worst storm in a century.

    Operators of the Guajataca Dam said the dam, located at the northern end of Lake Guajataca in northwest Puerto Rico, failed at 14:10 local time (18:10 GMT).

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