Congrats to COS and rikyrah! Watching Barack and Joe the past 8 years has been a singular pleasure, especially because Michelle and Jill were a great team in their own right.
BTW, NerdyW, are you/TOD doing the annual Photo of the Year contest this holiday season? Should you wish help I could catalogue some of the pics for you for each month as I’ve tried to do in the past. In fact I had already started a monthly compilation, then realized I wasn’t sure if you’ll be going that route this year end. Let me know.
what is constitutionally possible…altho Russia may have hacked to interfere in the election…were they really the cause of Trump’s win….i think voter suppression …3rd party….and non voting had a greater impact..
my thoughts on CIA’s conclusion on Russia’s assist to trump during election:
whoever released to the Washington Post, the details of the CIA findings about Russia’s interference to help trump meant to shake things up.
I think the goal was to make the information public before the electors certify the election and cast their votes.
somethings that strike me is that :
– the details of the report indicate that the legislative leaders where informed BEFORE the election;
– all Dems favored a release of the information while gop & specifically McConnell threatened to publicly accuse PBO of interference with political interference;
– PBO and Dems kept to their end of the agreement not to release information but from what we know the gop did not;
It appears that whoever released the information to the Post is aware that PBO was hoping SoS HRC would win but now he is trying to prevent the accusations that he “took” an election from a gop successor;
to me, the situation the nation finds itself in means ordinary people, outside the government, have to take react and take the lead.
Where are those with legal training? these learned friends should stand up and take the lead.
ordinary people have to mobilize and support those who take the lead. advocacy organizations have to motivate their supporters.
we need to send petitions to know legal scholars and law schools to file the proper paperwork.
I think your assessment is spot -on Linda. There are people on Twitter popping off about President Obama “putting the country at risk” without trying to understand what has really happened, or without having all the facts.
There ‘s still a lot unfolding, and I believe PBO himself leaked this info, or okay’d the leak in time for the Electoral College decision on December 19.
The trouble with the report is that it does not say ipso facto that Hillary ;lost the election because of hacking,,,,if they has said that…then there might be constitutional grounds to call for what??…they had to have evidence that trump and Putin wrked hand and hand…and if that was the case that would mean that trump is guilty of treason
A very disconcerting day. Nice to know that the PE prefers Russian intelligence over the CIA. I also do not understand why PBO did not release the info before the election. F… McConnell, he could have stated that McConnell opposed the release. While it is extremely upsetting, is it the reason she lost the election? My instincts say NO, what killed her chances at the end was Comey. The last 10 days before the election the ONLY thing the media reported on was the Comey letter and those new emails. And I suspect that was the reason the late deciding voters went so heavily for DT.
Russia should pay for this but it won’t happen under DT. At this point, I am sick.
– what is the role of McConnell’s father-in-law in all this? we know he is a shipping magnet but what are his connection?
– remember how many people with connections to the intelligence community warned us about one candidate’s relationships which may pose harm to the national interests.
What bothers me is the MSM gave The Donald so much media coverage during the election. They pretty much broadcasted every rally he did in totality. His opponents had next to no coverage whether it was in the primary or general election.
During PBO’s 8 years in office when he visited plants to get the private companies going the media ignored him or just broadcast little sections of his speeches. When there were important policies he was not getting covered. Then they said he was a poor communicator since people were not aware of what he had done or how it worked.
Trump is not even President yet and the media is broadcasting every unnecessary rally he does even though the election is over. Trump really does not want to do the work involved with being the President. He is not even going to security briefings. He just likes the adulation and attention from the crowds. Yes! The media has a big role in this fiasco.
Exactly, you are 100% spot on. As one who is rarely at a loss for words, my frustration during this entire political season is so deep and multifaceted that it is hard to articulate.
Good morning all. I did not watch NBC at 7:00. turned on ABC at 8:00. They led with the CIA/Russia story and talked to Michael Dowd and some retired Colonel or General. (name??) They covered EVERYTHING except the bipartsian meeting and that he R’s, led by McConnell, would not go along with releasing info to the public. NO mention of it!!!!!!!! 😦 😦 😦 ARGH!
GM all. Have not been able to comment much because of family issues( father has dementia, aunt first signs and mom health issues) but I do visit everyday and want to thank Nerdy Wonka for her tireless and brilliant admin of TOD. Heart goes out to Ms Chips & Danny and I wish her well and hope we hear her soon.
However I felt that I must post and ask everyone to push back as did NW so well on all those so called Dems who are now trashing PBO about not speaking about the Russian hacking because he did and he even warned Russia.
Please everyone push back if you can because I am seeing how so many are calling him weak, how it destroys his presidency … al the usual rubbish.
Here is just one report on what he did (that we know of) and Josh Marshall at TPM has been stellar in pusback as well.
I also wanted to add that I cannot believe how people are ignoring the voter suppression in places like OH Michigan , NC etc, missing absentee ballets, votors thrown off lists, ID laws etc. These things maybe more than anything cost HRC and neither the politicians nor media , no one seems to be protesting vigorously. I think this PEOTUS needs to be treated as illegitimate and protested continuously .
I also wanted to add that I cannot believe how people are ignoring the voter suppression in places like OH Michigan , NC etc, missing absentee ballets, voters thrown off lists, very restrictive ID laws far fewer voting places etc that disproportionately affect HRC voters. These things maybe more than anything cost HRC and neither the politicians nor media , not one seems to be protesting vigorously. I think this PEOTUS needs to be treated as illegitimate and protested continuously .
I have also been reading how some persons in Gov’t are saying that while CIA ‘s report says Russia interfered, the FBI’s apparently stated that there was no clear evidence of Russia’s interference. Could PBO and Justice Department act on CIA’s findings alone? Would the FBI not have to carry out the investigation to lead to any action?
Debate about this going on with many on social media it seems.
At this point anything that the FBI says must be taken with a grain of salt because of the actions of Director Comey prior to the election. And I’m certainly not saying that the CIA is a paragon of virtue given their history. But Trump I do believe has a history with Russia. What a goddamn mess.
This Russian hacking is so upsetting to me. I lived through the dark days of the cold war and the Soviet Union. I think there are some who don’t realize the evil inherent in their system. That hasn’t changed. I also know that the president has had this investigation going on long before he announced he was authorizing it. He is always working behind the scenes.
I have had the feeling since November 9th and have said, we are sitting on a volcano, about to erupt. I didn’t know exactly what it would be, but we see it building and building. I have also had the feeling that DJT will never be inaugurated…..we’ll see on that one. But this next week will be interesting.
I truly appreciate all the thoughtful analyses up above. This place keeps me informed so beautifully. The political commentators here are superior to almost everyone on TV! Buckle your seat belts everyone. We’re in for a bumpy ride.
“…. the president has had this investigation going on long before he announced he was authorizing it. He is always working behind the scenes.”
Thank you Carolyn for this statement. Everyone here should know by now that PBO never tips his hand when he’s at work. He’s methodic, contemplative, and stays on the right side of law……always. And after he’s done, all hand-wringers, along with doubters, have egg on their faces. As Bob always says…..trust Barack.
WASHINGTON — American intelligence agencies have concluded with “high confidence” that Russia acted covertly in the latter stages of the presidential campaign to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances and promote Donald J. Trump, according to senior administration officials.
They based that conclusion, in part, on another finding — which they say was also reached with high confidence — that the Russians hacked the Republican National Committee’s computer systems in addition to their attacks on Democratic organizations, but did not release whatever information they gleaned from the Republican networks.
In the months before the election, it was largely documents from Democratic Party systems that were leaked to the public. Intelligence agencies have concluded that the Russians gave the Democrats’ documents to WikiLeaks.
I see that it was already posted. Sorry. Sleepy eyes:) I would REALLY REALLY like to know about Republican knowledge of all this BEFOREHAND. Sorry, but the excuse Republicans used to not take up Judge Garland in the Senate…you know the one…”we’re saving this seat for the next president”…doesn’t sit well with me. Especially when you add the damn Russian hack and the GRU to the mix. Something smells.
“Something smells” might be the understatement of the year, followed by “Something is rotten in Denmark” and last but not least “Something’s not kosher.”
You got THAT right, my friend! I hope the walls tumble down upon them all. They are unpatriotic crooks and liars who would sell off their own mothers if it gave them more $$ or power. My hate is real.
Good Morning TOD Family. Nerdy, thanks for this post BFF. Love me some Barack & Joe. There will never be an admission that this President said anything about the Russians getting involved in our elections. My theory is, they want Obama to go out of office with some kind of scandal, no matter how petty. Gawd, I hate the media and the GOP. Have a great day everyone. 🙂
Oh God. I just typed this long comment and WP ate it. NO time to do again. It’s about what df shared yesterday from the schoenblog–Investigate the FBI. Can someone check M. Signorile blog or Facebook page. He had Randol Schoenberg on his show yesterday. All centered on the warrant the FBI got to look at those emails. SOMETHING STINKS to high heaven. Just no time to explain again. ARGH! WP. 😦
Yesterday someone (df??) shared a link–Investigate the FBI–from the schoenblog. Driving home yesterday (2.5 hrs.), had my radio on Progressive station. Listening to M. Signorile. He actually had on the attorney Randol Schoenberg. He has another attorney working with him. First, they’ve tried to use the FIOA to get their eyes on the warrant Comey used to see the emails on Weiner’s computer. That didn’t work–refused so now, as the article df shared says, they are suing the FBI to see that warrant. He explaied in detail how that warrant and everything surrounding it makes NO sense. Pieces do not fit. Talked about how this all started with Congress doing a political investigation (of Clinton), which is “okay”/”legal”, but the FBI is only supposed to be involved in a criminal investigation. NOTHING has been found that was criminal. I don’t have time this morning to give much more detail, but his premise is that there’s something “off” about the FBI getting that warrant. They would HAVE to have something feasible to take to a judge that would show criminal intent and he contends there’s no way that was the case. He is absolutely convinced there was hanky panky involved. Is determined to prove it, even if it’s months from now. He and the people working for/with him are going to stay with this issue.
This is ominous. Yes, I posted that blog a couple days ago and knew right away it was one to share and keep an eye on…thanks for letting us know this tnmtngirl…as Bobfr says, keep your eyes and ears open…gonna be an interesting day
“The fact that U.S. intelligence agencies say that Russia intervened in our election to elect Donald Trump is an entirely separate matter and if you won’t engage with that on the substance, then telling other people to move on while you ignore it isn’t going to persuade anyone.”
I have been saying for months that the hacks into the DNC computers and attempts to compromise state voter databases were the equivalent of a 21st century Watergate break-in. But now this has taken a deeper, darker, more sinister tone even than Watergate, where at least it was engineered by Americans.
Mitch McConnell, James Comey and others intentionally aided and abetted foreign aggression against American democracy.
What Comey did may be even worse, because he not only permitted foreign aggression to continue undisclosed, but also inserted himself and the FBI into the election in a different way but with the same goal: To tilt the result toward Donald Trump.
This was Rachel Maddow speaking. But, think about this. Turtle and Comey DID THIS ANYWAY! COMEY SENT THE LETTER,EVEN AFTER HE KNEW! McConnell wanted to keep the American people ignorant until AFTER the election! WHAT.THE.FLYING.FUCK!
if all of this is true, then there is a civil war going on inside the FBI and possibly the CIA. My question about McConnell is how does he go from being an average Republican to getting in bed with Russia?
Interesting thread this morning (started reading from the bottom up, and now have to leave :(, BBL )…
Agree with you (and many others), DJT and GOP are now officially Russian agents… we are in uncharted territory now, and MSM continue to act like this was a normal election, that last month the 45th American president was elected — when in fact, the first president representing another country was elected.
Commenting now because there are apparently two things going on:
2) MSM and Americans cannot wrap their heads around the fact that despite what we learned in grade school, our revered founding fathers apparently DID NOT establish sufficient checks and balances to stand in the way of unprincipled, greedy and corrupt citizens destroying our democracy.
All three branches of federal government are now in the hands of the GOP, who are blinded by their conviction to dismantle every regulation that protects Americans from greedy, unprincipled, corrupt corporations (like themselves) and a conviction that they and other elites avoid paying for any government services at all (i.e., who want to be like DJT and pay zero taxes for the rest of their life and the lives of their offspring).
give the very few stories I have read about McConnell’s father-in-law, I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a Russian connection at least to his business
Maybe the racism was just a smokescreen to hide the infiltration of Russia into the highest office in the land. Maybe Bannon is a smokescreen, but then again you don’t need Bannon because he just brings unwanted attention. But then again why keep him around?
They ALL know. They ALL have to go. Can we ask PBO to stay on for a little while longer until the children in congress get their just do? Till the OWN what is their responsibility…and to share with the American people the results of the lies, obstruction and sheer treason of the pretend Party of Lincoln? We need an Adult in the Room.
My thoughts are it is probably too late to do anything about this election result and Donald Trump taking office BUT President Obama wants to leave the report and evidence that the totally run by GOP party would do nothing about. Nixon’s second term election scandal took awhile to unwind. Maybe if the Dems could figure out how to control the Senate and/or the House in 2018 they could conduct a real investigation at that time with results including an impeachment.
Russia’s propaganda machine reportedly interfered before the U.K.’s Brexit vote, and covertly and overtly helped out far-right nationalists in Germany, France, and Italy.
Time to add this. Schoenberg believes Comey ‘picked’ — wink, wink — the judge to give him the warrant. Hope many of you just heard Harry Reid on Joy’s show.
It seems very clear to me that FBI Director Comey’s October 28 letter announcing a reopening of the investigation into e-mails from Hillary Clinton changed the outcome of the election. For nine of the last 11 days before the election, the negative story dominated the news and cast a cloud over her candidacy, and the polls reflected a downturn for Clinton during that same time. In the end, Clinton narrowly lost four states — Florida, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania — where voters who said they decided in the last week greatly favored Trump. I think it is safe to say that without Comey’s letter, Clinton would be our President.
As strange, and possibly illegal, as it was for Comey to make his announcement regarding the investigation so close to the election, from the outset, I wondered what the legal grounds were for searching through the new e-mails found on the laptop of her aide Huma Abedin’s estranged husband Anthony Weiner. Two days after the letter, on Sunday October 30, the New York Times reported that the Justice Department had obtained a search warrant. I have yet to see any further reporting on the warrant. To get a search warrant issued, the FBI needed to go to a federal judge. It is interesting to me that Comey sent his letter before obtaining the warrant. The publicity certainly must have influenced the judge. A judge cannot simply grant any request for a search warrant. Under the Fourth Amendment, a search must be reasonable, meaning that there must be “probable cause” or a “reasonable suspicion” that evidence of a crime will be discovered. Ordinarily, the FBI submits an affidavit describing the evidence that gives rise to the reasonable suspicion. We have yet to see what evidence the FBI relied on in seeking the warrant.
He just sued the FBI to get information regarding all this. I pray its not too little, too late
Thanks, df!!!! Traveling rest of day. Will lurk as I can. Great niece graduating from college. 3.5 years. honors. Taking the LSAT in February. SO proud of her!!!
DF, it would not be difficult to find probable cause for a warrant given the emails–which were State Department emails–on WEINER’S computer. He is not a State department employee. Remember Petreus’ crime was sharing info with his mistress. But what I never understood about this was two fold:
1. How would this relate to CLINTON’S intent with respect to emails? She had nothing to do with Weiner. If anything, it may relate to wrong doing on the part of Abedin, not Clinton.
2. Rather than send a letter to Congress, why didn’t Comey get the search warrant immediately on Thursday night, review the emails Friday and determine nothing new there. Remember, if he could get this on Sunday night he easily could have gotten it on Thursday night. Instead, he sent the letter to Congress, let three days of negative publicity go by, and then gets a search warrant on SUNDAY night? Completely ass backwards. Had he followed the usual progression of getting the search warrant immediately, there would have been no need for the letter and the resulting publicity.
Finally, as to why Comey remains there (and I question whether he can survive this) is I suspect because PBO knows he cannot get a replacement through Congress at this point, and he figures Comey is better than someone that DT might appoint.
Joy Reid’s show is too early for me on the West Coast, but knowing how detailed and thorough she is I decided to record her weekend shows to watch later. I am watching it now. I feel Joy is very on top of current details on parr with Rachel. So glad I decided to record her shows.
DECEMBER 10th
…… is here already; I confess that time has been running away from me in the last couple of months! Anyhoo, this quick stop is to wish MP a wonderful birthday, and many more!
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Happy Birthday to you, Pamela!
(I know the cats don’t look like *your* cats but this was a short clip and I’d like to think that is causes Alex to smile from the other side.)
ps: Pamela, I saw this *cake* and artwork and immediately thought of Chips, her baking and drawing abilities, and how much she would have *enjoyed* being a part of your celebration! So from Chips and I…..
Trump did not win this election, it was stolen and to think that Republicans have no problem with foreign government interfering in our election just because it might help them win , it is a disgrace. A crime.
When I used to say that President Obama was the only thing standing between us and total oblivion I was somewhat joking, but the joke is on me because he is in fact the only thing standing between us and total oblivion.
…Leery of unclear policies and a potentially hostile social environment … international students may now be reconsidering higher education in the United States — and that potential “brain drain” could take a hefty financial toll on America’s education economy, international education experts say. …
Last year, more than one million international students, a record number, came to America to pursue higher education — pumping $32.8 billion into the U.S. economy, according to the Association of International Educators (NAFSA). … But that could all be on the verge of changing. …
A survey of students in more than 118 countries conducted in February by international student recruiting firms Intead and FPP EDU Media found that 60 percent said they were less likely to study in the U.S. …
Another keep jobs in America promotion by Trump includes his bragging about the jobs he saved in IN under Pence with Carrier. Now we hear from Carrier they intend to use the money from that deal (tax breaks) to invest in finding new ways to install new robotics eliminating even more American jobs.
Good morning all fellow TODders from beautiful snowy Montana. We are finally getting out snow, 6 inches last night and more to come. Finally got my Christmas tree up and feeling alittle more Christmas spirit. Here is my wild Christmas tree. Have been to some Christmas parties and no one wants to talk about what is happening. Everyone is scared and holding their breathe. The parties I have been to there are all both dems and repubs. It’s hard to hold a meaningful conversation. At least I can make the calls to our congress people. Again thanks to all for keeping us informed.
Thanks NW.
Good Evening 🙂
Congrats to COS and rikyrah! Watching Barack and Joe the past 8 years has been a singular pleasure, especially because Michelle and Jill were a great team in their own right.
Night, all. Working off a big sleep deficit!
I wonder why? 😀 😀 😀 Thanks again for sharing your outing with us, Judith. Good night, and the sweetest of dreams re your night on the town!
BTW, NerdyW, are you/TOD doing the annual Photo of the Year contest this holiday season? Should you wish help I could catalogue some of the pics for you for each month as I’ve tried to do in the past. In fact I had already started a monthly compilation, then realized I wasn’t sure if you’ll be going that route this year end. Let me know.
Night all. Sleep deprived is an understatement. Manana
Sweet dreams!
CIA says that Russia hacked the elections …in favor of trump…now what
Now he forfeits and owns up to treason, deceit, treachery and immorality, in a final attempt to become human.
nawwww…Power concedes NOTHING without a struggle…
what is constitutionally possible…altho Russia may have hacked to interfere in the election…were they really the cause of Trump’s win….i think voter suppression …3rd party….and non voting had a greater impact..
What did VP Biden say? “FATE has a way of intervening.”
yessssssssss he did
Such a treasure….forever !!
This is fun…
my thoughts on CIA’s conclusion on Russia’s assist to trump during election:
whoever released to the Washington Post, the details of the CIA findings about Russia’s interference to help trump meant to shake things up.
I think the goal was to make the information public before the electors certify the election and cast their votes.
somethings that strike me is that :
– the details of the report indicate that the legislative leaders where informed BEFORE the election;
– all Dems favored a release of the information while gop & specifically McConnell threatened to publicly accuse PBO of interference with political interference;
– PBO and Dems kept to their end of the agreement not to release information but from what we know the gop did not;
It appears that whoever released the information to the Post is aware that PBO was hoping SoS HRC would win but now he is trying to prevent the accusations that he “took” an election from a gop successor;
to me, the situation the nation finds itself in means ordinary people, outside the government, have to take react and take the lead.
Where are those with legal training? these learned friends should stand up and take the lead.
ordinary people have to mobilize and support those who take the lead. advocacy organizations have to motivate their supporters.
we need to send petitions to know legal scholars and law schools to file the proper paperwork.
Excellent assessment, Linda!
I think your assessment is spot -on Linda. There are people on Twitter popping off about President Obama “putting the country at risk” without trying to understand what has really happened, or without having all the facts.
There ‘s still a lot unfolding, and I believe PBO himself leaked this info, or okay’d the leak in time for the Electoral College decision on December 19.
you are probably right that this is just a chapter in saga whose conclusion we are yet to know.
I am waiting to see what happens with the “bigger players”.
in the meantime, I will do my part to send requests to law schools and known legal minds with a request for them to do something
The trouble with the report is that it does not say ipso facto that Hillary ;lost the election because of hacking,,,,if they has said that…then there might be constitutional grounds to call for what??…they had to have evidence that trump and Putin wrked hand and hand…and if that was the case that would mean that trump is guilty of treason
you are right.
no, we cannot over-look :
– racism, misogyny, xenophobia, bigotry & plain hate;
– voter intimidation,
– messed up ballots, voting machines and counting,
– media role,
– lies from trump and others sources (I saw those “pizza-gate” messages during the campaign and other fake stuff from WikiLeaks) etc… –
– these all played a big role.
but I also remember how often and loudly Team Clinton talked about Russia and tried to pushed (almost begged) media to look into the connections;
what if this leak is an indirect prodding of those in-the-no to find direct evidence linking him to Russia?
Truth is, I do not know squat. I am just speculating;
James Comey’s letter
A very disconcerting day. Nice to know that the PE prefers Russian intelligence over the CIA. I also do not understand why PBO did not release the info before the election. F… McConnell, he could have stated that McConnell opposed the release. While it is extremely upsetting, is it the reason she lost the election? My instincts say NO, what killed her chances at the end was Comey. The last 10 days before the election the ONLY thing the media reported on was the Comey letter and those new emails. And I suspect that was the reason the late deciding voters went so heavily for DT.
Russia should pay for this but it won’t happen under DT. At this point, I am sick.
… you have to wonder about Giuliani’s sudden exclusion from the cabinet …. what are we missing
two things ponder :
– what is the role of McConnell’s father-in-law in all this? we know he is a shipping magnet but what are his connection?
– remember how many people with connections to the intelligence community warned us about one candidate’s relationships which may pose harm to the national interests.
so many things to question ….
Thank you Nerdy Wonka for speaking the truth. We know that the media is one of the reasons Trump stole this election.
NW, great tweets. Did you send them to NYT and MSM outlets?
Rest assured TOD, President Obama is not leaving office without harshly dealing with this issue. Rest assured.
And, I doubt if we have to wait very long ….
#TrustBarack
FORWARD!
In_DEED Carol!!
Tomorrow is going to be a very interesting day …… get some rest everyone ….
#TrustBarack
Thank you Bob. I’m with you 1000000000 percent.
What bothers me is the MSM gave The Donald so much media coverage during the election. They pretty much broadcasted every rally he did in totality. His opponents had next to no coverage whether it was in the primary or general election.
During PBO’s 8 years in office when he visited plants to get the private companies going the media ignored him or just broadcast little sections of his speeches. When there were important policies he was not getting covered. Then they said he was a poor communicator since people were not aware of what he had done or how it worked.
Trump is not even President yet and the media is broadcasting every unnecessary rally he does even though the election is over. Trump really does not want to do the work involved with being the President. He is not even going to security briefings. He just likes the adulation and attention from the crowds. Yes! The media has a big role in this fiasco.
Exactly, you are 100% spot on. As one who is rarely at a loss for words, my frustration during this entire political season is so deep and multifaceted that it is hard to articulate.
Good morning all. I did not watch NBC at 7:00. turned on ABC at 8:00. They led with the CIA/Russia story and talked to Michael Dowd and some retired Colonel or General. (name??) They covered EVERYTHING except the bipartsian meeting and that he R’s, led by McConnell, would not go along with releasing info to the public. NO mention of it!!!!!!!! 😦 😦 😦 ARGH!
This^^ Obama Grandmama. You hit the nail on the head. It makes me so angry.
GM all. Have not been able to comment much because of family issues( father has dementia, aunt first signs and mom health issues) but I do visit everyday and want to thank Nerdy Wonka for her tireless and brilliant admin of TOD. Heart goes out to Ms Chips & Danny and I wish her well and hope we hear her soon.
However I felt that I must post and ask everyone to push back as did NW so well on all those so called Dems who are now trashing PBO about not speaking about the Russian hacking because he did and he even warned Russia.
Please everyone push back if you can because I am seeing how so many are calling him weak, how it destroys his presidency … al the usual rubbish.
Here is just one report on what he did (that we know of) and Josh Marshall at TPM has been stellar in pusback as well.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/obama-administration-accuses-russian-government-of-election-year-hacking-229296
Take care all and have as great a weekend as possible.
I also wanted to add that I cannot believe how people are ignoring the voter suppression in places like OH Michigan , NC etc, missing absentee ballets, votors thrown off lists, ID laws etc. These things maybe more than anything cost HRC and neither the politicians nor media , no one seems to be protesting vigorously. I think this PEOTUS needs to be treated as illegitimate and protested continuously .
Correction …not one of as opposed to no one….
Condensed corrected comment!
I also wanted to add that I cannot believe how people are ignoring the voter suppression in places like OH Michigan , NC etc, missing absentee ballets, voters thrown off lists, very restrictive ID laws far fewer voting places etc that disproportionately affect HRC voters. These things maybe more than anything cost HRC and neither the politicians nor media , not one seems to be protesting vigorously. I think this PEOTUS needs to be treated as illegitimate and protested continuously .
I have also been reading how some persons in Gov’t are saying that while CIA ‘s report says Russia interfered, the FBI’s apparently stated that there was no clear evidence of Russia’s interference. Could PBO and Justice Department act on CIA’s findings alone? Would the FBI not have to carry out the investigation to lead to any action?
Debate about this going on with many on social media it seems.
At this point anything that the FBI says must be taken with a grain of salt because of the actions of Director Comey prior to the election. And I’m certainly not saying that the CIA is a paragon of virtue given their history. But Trump I do believe has a history with Russia. What a goddamn mess.
This Russian hacking is so upsetting to me. I lived through the dark days of the cold war and the Soviet Union. I think there are some who don’t realize the evil inherent in their system. That hasn’t changed. I also know that the president has had this investigation going on long before he announced he was authorizing it. He is always working behind the scenes.
I have had the feeling since November 9th and have said, we are sitting on a volcano, about to erupt. I didn’t know exactly what it would be, but we see it building and building. I have also had the feeling that DJT will never be inaugurated…..we’ll see on that one. But this next week will be interesting.
I truly appreciate all the thoughtful analyses up above. This place keeps me informed so beautifully. The political commentators here are superior to almost everyone on TV! Buckle your seat belts everyone. We’re in for a bumpy ride.
“…. the president has had this investigation going on long before he announced he was authorizing it. He is always working behind the scenes.”
Thank you Carolyn for this statement. Everyone here should know by now that PBO never tips his hand when he’s at work. He’s methodic, contemplative, and stays on the right side of law……always. And after he’s done, all hand-wringers, along with doubters, have egg on their faces. As Bob always says…..trust Barack.
Yes, I remember that you have repeatedly said here that we as a country are sitting on an election volcano.
this has to be cleared up one or another ….
Was this in the mix?
WASHINGTON — American intelligence agencies have concluded with “high confidence” that Russia acted covertly in the latter stages of the presidential campaign to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances and promote Donald J. Trump, according to senior administration officials.
They based that conclusion, in part, on another finding — which they say was also reached with high confidence — that the Russians hacked the Republican National Committee’s computer systems in addition to their attacks on Democratic organizations, but did not release whatever information they gleaned from the Republican networks.
In the months before the election, it was largely documents from Democratic Party systems that were leaked to the public. Intelligence agencies have concluded that the Russians gave the Democrats’ documents to WikiLeaks.
I see that it was already posted. Sorry. Sleepy eyes:) I would REALLY REALLY like to know about Republican knowledge of all this BEFOREHAND. Sorry, but the excuse Republicans used to not take up Judge Garland in the Senate…you know the one…”we’re saving this seat for the next president”…doesn’t sit well with me. Especially when you add the damn Russian hack and the GRU to the mix. Something smells.
“Something smells” might be the understatement of the year, followed by “Something is rotten in Denmark” and last but not least “Something’s not kosher.”
You got THAT right, my friend! I hope the walls tumble down upon them all. They are unpatriotic crooks and liars who would sell off their own mothers if it gave them more $$ or power. My hate is real.
Good Morning TOD Family. Nerdy, thanks for this post BFF. Love me some Barack & Joe. There will never be an admission that this President said anything about the Russians getting involved in our elections. My theory is, they want Obama to go out of office with some kind of scandal, no matter how petty. Gawd, I hate the media and the GOP. Have a great day everyone. 🙂
This here is some real live tinker tailor soldier spy shit.
Manafort, Carter Page…the govt should be picking through ALL these guys crap with a toothpick!
Oh God. I just typed this long comment and WP ate it. NO time to do again. It’s about what df shared yesterday from the schoenblog–Investigate the FBI. Can someone check M. Signorile blog or Facebook page. He had Randol Schoenberg on his show yesterday. All centered on the warrant the FBI got to look at those emails. SOMETHING STINKS to high heaven. Just no time to explain again. ARGH! WP. 😦
Yesterday someone (df??) shared a link–Investigate the FBI–from the schoenblog. Driving home yesterday (2.5 hrs.), had my radio on Progressive station. Listening to M. Signorile. He actually had on the attorney Randol Schoenberg. He has another attorney working with him. First, they’ve tried to use the FIOA to get their eyes on the warrant Comey used to see the emails on Weiner’s computer. That didn’t work–refused so now, as the article df shared says, they are suing the FBI to see that warrant. He explaied in detail how that warrant and everything surrounding it makes NO sense. Pieces do not fit. Talked about how this all started with Congress doing a political investigation (of Clinton), which is “okay”/”legal”, but the FBI is only supposed to be involved in a criminal investigation. NOTHING has been found that was criminal. I don’t have time this morning to give much more detail, but his premise is that there’s something “off” about the FBI getting that warrant. They would HAVE to have something feasible to take to a judge that would show criminal intent and he contends there’s no way that was the case. He is absolutely convinced there was hanky panky involved. Is determined to prove it, even if it’s months from now. He and the people working for/with him are going to stay with this issue.
Well, geez…….Here it is. Gotta go…….
If that’s the case then there is rogue element in the FBI that takes its orders from someone or something outside of the FBI.
This is ominous. Yes, I posted that blog a couple days ago and knew right away it was one to share and keep an eye on…thanks for letting us know this tnmtngirl…as Bobfr says, keep your eyes and ears open…gonna be an interesting day
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/12/mitch-mcconnell-squelched-disclosure
“The fact that U.S. intelligence agencies say that Russia intervened in our election to elect Donald Trump is an entirely separate matter and if you won’t engage with that on the substance, then telling other people to move on while you ignore it isn’t going to persuade anyone.”
I have been saying for months that the hacks into the DNC computers and attempts to compromise state voter databases were the equivalent of a 21st century Watergate break-in. But now this has taken a deeper, darker, more sinister tone even than Watergate, where at least it was engineered by Americans.
Mitch McConnell, James Comey and others intentionally aided and abetted foreign aggression against American democracy.
What Comey did may be even worse, because he not only permitted foreign aggression to continue undisclosed, but also inserted himself and the FBI into the election in a different way but with the same goal: To tilt the result toward Donald Trump.
This was Rachel Maddow speaking. But, think about this. Turtle and Comey DID THIS ANYWAY! COMEY SENT THE LETTER,EVEN AFTER HE KNEW! McConnell wanted to keep the American people ignorant until AFTER the election! WHAT.THE.FLYING.FUCK!
if all of this is true, then there is a civil war going on inside the FBI and possibly the CIA. My question about McConnell is how does he go from being an average Republican to getting in bed with Russia?
I don’t know. If this all proves to be true, he might be sleeping on a cot in a SUPERMAX facility somewhere in America. A girl can dream
GM Don.
Interesting thread this morning (started reading from the bottom up, and now have to leave :(, BBL )…
Agree with you (and many others), DJT and GOP are now officially Russian agents… we are in uncharted territory now, and MSM continue to act like this was a normal election, that last month the 45th American president was elected — when in fact, the first president representing another country was elected.
Commenting now because there are apparently two things going on:
1) Absolute power corrupts absolutely (Wikipedia tells me that Lord Acton originally said this in the 19th century: “”Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dalberg-Acton,_1st_Baron_Acton
2) MSM and Americans cannot wrap their heads around the fact that despite what we learned in grade school, our revered founding fathers apparently DID NOT establish sufficient checks and balances to stand in the way of unprincipled, greedy and corrupt citizens destroying our democracy.
All three branches of federal government are now in the hands of the GOP, who are blinded by their conviction to dismantle every regulation that protects Americans from greedy, unprincipled, corrupt corporations (like themselves) and a conviction that they and other elites avoid paying for any government services at all (i.e., who want to be like DJT and pay zero taxes for the rest of their life and the lives of their offspring).
as always, follow the money;
give the very few stories I have read about McConnell’s father-in-law, I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a Russian connection at least to his business
Maybe the racism was just a smokescreen to hide the infiltration of Russia into the highest office in the land. Maybe Bannon is a smokescreen, but then again you don’t need Bannon because he just brings unwanted attention. But then again why keep him around?
Connections somewhere?
This is just so fantastical, it is so obvious that Russia has infiltrated our government.
They ALL know. They ALL have to go. Can we ask PBO to stay on for a little while longer until the children in congress get their just do? Till the OWN what is their responsibility…and to share with the American people the results of the lies, obstruction and sheer treason of the pretend Party of Lincoln? We need an Adult in the Room.
Fucking game show with legs
DT; “I played you dumbasses”. Thanks for falling for it, hook, line, & sinker, you dumbasses.
My thoughts are it is probably too late to do anything about this election result and Donald Trump taking office BUT President Obama wants to leave the report and evidence that the totally run by GOP party would do nothing about. Nixon’s second term election scandal took awhile to unwind. Maybe if the Dems could figure out how to control the Senate and/or the House in 2018 they could conduct a real investigation at that time with results including an impeachment.
the American people have the attention span of a 2 year old…and by 2018 there will be a new fire to put out…
https://thinkprogress.org/russia-intervened-in-the-2016-campaign-with-the-goal-of-electing-trump-cia-says-c492422a1a0d#.k60jxzjdx
Russia’s propaganda machine reportedly interfered before the U.K.’s Brexit vote, and covertly and overtly helped out far-right nationalists in Germany, France, and Italy.
Don’t forget all this. It’s all connected.
Time to add this. Schoenberg believes Comey ‘picked’ — wink, wink — the judge to give him the warrant. Hope many of you just heard Harry Reid on Joy’s show.
Here’s what you were talking about:)
http://schoenblog.com/?p=1008
It seems very clear to me that FBI Director Comey’s October 28 letter announcing a reopening of the investigation into e-mails from Hillary Clinton changed the outcome of the election. For nine of the last 11 days before the election, the negative story dominated the news and cast a cloud over her candidacy, and the polls reflected a downturn for Clinton during that same time. In the end, Clinton narrowly lost four states — Florida, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania — where voters who said they decided in the last week greatly favored Trump. I think it is safe to say that without Comey’s letter, Clinton would be our President.
As strange, and possibly illegal, as it was for Comey to make his announcement regarding the investigation so close to the election, from the outset, I wondered what the legal grounds were for searching through the new e-mails found on the laptop of her aide Huma Abedin’s estranged husband Anthony Weiner. Two days after the letter, on Sunday October 30, the New York Times reported that the Justice Department had obtained a search warrant. I have yet to see any further reporting on the warrant. To get a search warrant issued, the FBI needed to go to a federal judge. It is interesting to me that Comey sent his letter before obtaining the warrant. The publicity certainly must have influenced the judge. A judge cannot simply grant any request for a search warrant. Under the Fourth Amendment, a search must be reasonable, meaning that there must be “probable cause” or a “reasonable suspicion” that evidence of a crime will be discovered. Ordinarily, the FBI submits an affidavit describing the evidence that gives rise to the reasonable suspicion. We have yet to see what evidence the FBI relied on in seeking the warrant.
He just sued the FBI to get information regarding all this. I pray its not too little, too late
Thanks, df!!!! Traveling rest of day. Will lurk as I can. Great niece graduating from college. 3.5 years. honors. Taking the LSAT in February. SO proud of her!!!
DF, it would not be difficult to find probable cause for a warrant given the emails–which were State Department emails–on WEINER’S computer. He is not a State department employee. Remember Petreus’ crime was sharing info with his mistress. But what I never understood about this was two fold:
1. How would this relate to CLINTON’S intent with respect to emails? She had nothing to do with Weiner. If anything, it may relate to wrong doing on the part of Abedin, not Clinton.
2. Rather than send a letter to Congress, why didn’t Comey get the search warrant immediately on Thursday night, review the emails Friday and determine nothing new there. Remember, if he could get this on Sunday night he easily could have gotten it on Thursday night. Instead, he sent the letter to Congress, let three days of negative publicity go by, and then gets a search warrant on SUNDAY night? Completely ass backwards. Had he followed the usual progression of getting the search warrant immediately, there would have been no need for the letter and the resulting publicity.
Finally, as to why Comey remains there (and I question whether he can survive this) is I suspect because PBO knows he cannot get a replacement through Congress at this point, and he figures Comey is better than someone that DT might appoint.
Joy Reid’s show is too early for me on the West Coast, but knowing how detailed and thorough she is I decided to record her weekend shows to watch later. I am watching it now. I feel Joy is very on top of current details on parr with Rachel. So glad I decided to record her shows.
Joy Reid is telling it like it is, this is so chilling.
Joy Reid might save us because nobody else in the media is doing a goddamn thing.
DECEMBER 10th
…… is here already; I confess that time has been running away from me in the last couple of months! Anyhoo, this quick stop is to wish MP a wonderful birthday, and many more!
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Happy Birthday to you, Pamela!
(I know the cats don’t look like *your* cats but this was a short clip and I’d like to think that is causes Alex to smile from the other side.)
ps: Pamela, I saw this *cake* and artwork and immediately thought of Chips, her baking and drawing abilities, and how much she would have *enjoyed* being a part of your celebration! So from Chips and I…..
I have to run, so see (and read) you all later!
Have a good Saturday! 🙂
Hi & Bye VC! Happy Birthday Pamela 🙂 today is also my sister-in-laws birthday….two of the best people I have the pleasure to know born today!
LOL!! if I could get off the phone, I could join y’all here! 🎈🎈🎂🍾📿
😀 No, no, today being on the phone should be *fun*. Enjoy all the birthday attention! 🎈🎈🎈🎈
Trump did not win this election, it was stolen and to think that Republicans have no problem with foreign government interfering in our election just because it might help them win , it is a disgrace. A crime.
Republicans have NO problem stealing elections as long as THEY do the stealing…….
When I used to say that President Obama was the only thing standing between us and total oblivion I was somewhat joking, but the joke is on me because he is in fact the only thing standing between us and total oblivion.
Has anyone seen Bernie Sanders the last couple of days, asking for a friend?
Here he is.
…Leery of unclear policies and a potentially hostile social environment … international students may now be reconsidering higher education in the United States — and that potential “brain drain” could take a hefty financial toll on America’s education economy, international education experts say. …
Last year, more than one million international students, a record number, came to America to pursue higher education — pumping $32.8 billion into the U.S. economy, according to the Association of International Educators (NAFSA). … But that could all be on the verge of changing. …
A survey of students in more than 118 countries conducted in February by international student recruiting firms Intead and FPP EDU Media found that 60 percent said they were less likely to study in the U.S. …
Another keep jobs in America promotion by Trump includes his bragging about the jobs he saved in IN under Pence with Carrier. Now we hear from Carrier they intend to use the money from that deal (tax breaks) to invest in finding new ways to install new robotics eliminating even more American jobs.
Good morning all fellow TODders from beautiful snowy Montana. We are finally getting out snow, 6 inches last night and more to come. Finally got my Christmas tree up and feeling alittle more Christmas spirit. Here is my wild Christmas tree. Have been to some Christmas parties and no one wants to talk about what is happening. Everyone is scared and holding their breathe. The parties I have been to there are all both dems and repubs. It’s hard to hold a meaningful conversation. At least I can make the calls to our congress people. Again thanks to all for keeping us informed.
Marilyn, I love your wild MT woods Christmas tree! It has personality. 🙂 ❤
Thank you Gail. All the ornaments are old and mean something. I do love Christmas. And I love them smell of pine.
last I read 3 tweets from him that came through my TL were about the:
– demagogue’s new appointees and their connections to Wall Street;
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– demagogue’s lies to the working class;
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– Standing Rock
Good day TOD …. it’s certainly getting more interesting as each hour passes ….
Yup … a truly interesting day on which instead of doing anything to distract from the Coup d’etat, Trump is rubbing America’s face in it …
Have only one thing to add ….. #TrustBarack …. his greatest moments as President are yet to come ….
back to work … take care everyone …
Think I’m going to go see if Netflix has “Red Dawn”, you know, just in case.
New post.
https://theobamadiary.com/2016/12/10/question-and-answer-time/