109 Responses to “The President And Nobel Prize Winners”

  1. 1 COS
    December 2, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    Hello TOD and thanks NW.

  2. December 2, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    Congrats COS and evening TO folks!

  3. 4 whenpamelawandered
    December 2, 2016 at 10:10 pm


  4. 5 GGail
    December 2, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    Is it my imagination or are Dem Presidents better orators than the “other” ones??

  5. December 2, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    NerdyWonka, you are on fire in the most righteous and beautiful way with your tweets and you get the messages out there brilliantly and superfast as well. Your incredible voice and insights matter and we are enriched and kept going by your generous gift of time and wordsmithing and technomagic and energy in keeping the Good Ship TOD sailing forth across the seas. Thank you never seems like enough, but here it is again: thank you.

  6. December 2, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    COS, congratulations on FIRST!

  7. 11 globalcitizenlinda
    December 2, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    so apparently China is already noting the action with the leader of Taiwan;

    PBO can’t have a moment of rest when these gop imbeciles are near power;

    • 12 99ts
      December 2, 2016 at 11:49 pm

      I have almost stopped reading any media anywhere. The reports from the Oz media on what the nominee is doing and saying just enforce what is going to happen to world peace if this man gets to be President. Why the US people have inflicted this on the world is still beyond my understanding.

      How hard PBO worked during the period between election & inauguration – & how the media attacked. Now they say nothing about a man who is breaking EVERY convention that exists for a President/President elect. Madness.

      • 13 Don
        December 3, 2016 at 11:04 am

        99ts, you are so right, I come here then I go to espn and then the golfchannel and then I’m done. I just don’t have time to read or listen to any more foolishness. Once President Obama leaves office, I’m done, I mean I’ll still be engaged. I’ll still donate to candidates who I think will fight the good fight. But I need a break from this nonsense.

        • 14 99ts
          December 3, 2016 at 11:13 am

          I’ve run out of words Don – He is undermining PBO every time he speaks and tweets. I think WWIII might come before the economic collapse the way he is heading at the minute – and STILL the media treats it as normal.

          One sentence post from Booman makes more sense than anything I’ve read in 2 weeks

          “I have seen higher proof dumbfuckery in the last 72 hours than I have seen in my entire life, and I’ve lived through Dan Quayle, George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, and MSNBC’s short-lived show Alan Keyes is Making Sense”

    • 15 arapaho415
      December 3, 2016 at 12:25 am

      GE GCL.

      Don’t think it’s as bad as this sounds, for a couple of reasons.

      1) Despite our differences, and our jostling for global (well, as least economic) domination, I think China understands that the US has one president at a time.

      2) @cbsradionews reports that China is placing all the blame on Taiwan. Wouldn’t be surprised if China suppresses Taiwan even more after this stunt, which apparently was engineered by the Heritage Foundation.

      Upending our relationship with countries around the world, with the sole goal to enrich DJT himself.

      Bigger picture:

      • 16 FoxfireTX
        December 3, 2016 at 12:38 am

        The problem Arapaho, as you know , is how easy he is to manipulate by everyone. Yes, this will end up not being a big deal now, PBO will clean it up, but it will have a lasting impact on China’s perception of us in coming years. After the issues with Pakistan, Josh specifically warned him from the podium YESTERDAY to use the State Dept resources before making/taking these calls. Obviously, that did a lot of good. Although he will never show it, I’d guess PBO is doing a slow burn about now.

        • 17 globalcitizenlinda
          December 3, 2016 at 12:46 am

          after posting my comment, I see that you have the same concerns about China’s “long-term memory” and how it may not take this kindly

        • 18 arapaho415
          December 3, 2016 at 1:33 am

          Dang, I missed yesterday’s WHPB (and the Christmas tree lighting too 😦 ).

          So much to worry about with DJT (shudder) at the helm.

          Here’s some lighter fare (may have been posted here earlier — behind as usual):

      • 19 FoxfireTX
        December 3, 2016 at 12:39 am

        And of course, the GOP is falling all over itself to defend him. As in 2008, if the country is destroyed in the process, well la di da. Party before country.

      • 20 globalcitizenlinda
        December 3, 2016 at 12:43 am

        I don’t understand why you think it is not as bad as it sounds?

        from my understanding, the Asian region is already under enormous pressure given all the geopolitical changes that are occurring.

        this attempt to go solo on contradictory foreign policy, even before inauguration, seems to be upsetting an already sensitive situation.

        I do not know if China is not going to be even more suspicious of US intentions after Jan 20th.

        I hope I am wrong to worry

        • 21 FoxfireTX
          December 3, 2016 at 1:05 am

          Linda, I am not up enough on this relationship to know the details, but saw some tweets tonight that the tensions are very high at the moment between Taiwan and PRC. So if Taiwan throws this back in the PRC’s face, it may have a bigger long term impact than we know at this point, in addition to how the US is viewed. This again, is the problem when you have people who have no idea what they’re doing and refuse to get help that is essential. There can be a ton of unforeseen consequences over the long term.

          • 22 SUE DUVALL SMITH
            December 3, 2016 at 9:14 am


          • 23 globalcitizenlinda
            December 3, 2016 at 9:33 am

            yes, the power struggle between Taiwan and Mainland China is at one of those very tense moments.

            a portion of the elected members in Taiwan is very vocally challenging the Mainland. a few refused to be sworn in as part of getting orders from China.

            street demonstrations have happened supporting both sides and there is no resolution to this yet.

            I do not know how his intervention helps calm the already volatile situation

        • 24 arapaho415
          December 3, 2016 at 1:29 am

          Both you and FFTX raise valid concerns — I wholeheartedly agree that DJT is a disastrous choice for US president, and that the whole fabric of world relationships will be completely upended by the end of his 4 year term. (I posted my dystopian view of the result of this election in a tweet written after the results were in, and a winner declared).

          Most of the tweets I saw tonight predicted an immediate lashing out at the US by China, and that’s not what’s happened so far. My guess is that Taiwan (and perhaps Tibet?) will bear the brunt of China’s immediate response.

          No telling how bad things will get after Jan 20, 2017, but I think we’re OK (re: this particular incident) until then.

          This weekend my concern is wrapped up with the Italy referendum on Sunday. If it fails, then the only powers holding the tenuous EU together are France (elections in the Spring) and Germany (elections in August). Josh Marshall posted a compelling essay in July about how the rise of fascism in Europe and its subsequent aftermath (WWII) is fading from living memory, and how the alliances and responses to that horror by the Western world is now at economic risk.

          The state of the world (before DJT’s palling around with Taiwan, Pakistan and the Philippines):

          • 25 FoxfireTX
            December 3, 2016 at 10:14 am

            Yes, Italy is the next big concern. I reread Josh Marshall’s July article earlier this week:-) And surprise, surprise, Russia and Wikileaks are playing their same games in every one of the places with upcoming elections. Also saw this morning that additional sanctions against Russia for the annexation of Crimea may not make through Congress before PBO leaves office. I look at the Republicans in Congress and just shake my head. Apparently, there isn’t a single one who abides by any principles since the Trump election, up is down and down is up.

      • 26 jacquelineoboomer
        December 3, 2016 at 1:15 am

        December 3, 2016 at 9:12 am


        • 28 arapaho415
          December 3, 2016 at 9:25 am

          GM SDS.

          The responses I wrote to GCL and FFTX last night were based on incomplete info…

          After I responded, I looked at @mattdpearce’s Twitter timeline, and, man oh man, it appears that DJT is deliberately challenging China, based on advice from John “beyond-redemption-as-a-nutjob-but-MSM-favorite” Bolton.

          Whatever has a glimmer of possibility for enriching DJT is the path he will take. His crazy, unhinged “advisers” know that all *they* need to do to have their pitch embraced and acted on by DJT is the lure of profits (aka new business and hotels in that country).

          • 29 globalcitizenlinda
            December 3, 2016 at 9:45 am

            with crazies like bolton , NY’s peter king etc. helping the crazy demagogue, DJT, the world is in for a number of shocks;

          • 30 FoxfireTX
            December 3, 2016 at 10:19 am

            Maybe, Arapaho, but I am not convinced this isn’t “after the fact” justification. I believe that the primary motivation is the drive for Trump Org properties in Taiwan. Just too coincidental that he had people in Taiwan in October. The Bolton line is the old “never admit you made a mistake” DT. Accidental foreign policy I suspect will be the order of the day going forward with some type of after the fact justification. What a freaking nightmare. With the rest of the world more unstable than it’s been in decades, an idiot heading the US government is the last thing the world needs at this moment in time.

            • 31 globalcitizenlinda
              December 3, 2016 at 10:29 am

              money, money, money …. now the search to acquire more of it is being backed by unfettered power as gop congress cowers or runs to get their part of the financial gains

      • 32 99ts
        December 3, 2016 at 11:15 am

        I think its worse than it sounds. he is attacking everything PBO has done – he has NO diplomacy – that common sense that keeps the world powers from starting WWIII. He is speaking to the “wrong” people simply to act like a smart arse and it will not end well for anyone.

    • 34 arapaho415
      December 3, 2016 at 1:13 am

      GE/GM DF.

      Best article I’ve seen on why a recount is essential (so much better than the MSM reports I’ve seen).

      From the article:
      “The only way to know whether a cyberattack changed the result is to examine the available physical evidence — paper ballots and voting equipment in states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, nobody is ever going to examine that evidence unless candidates petition for recounts.

      America’s voting machines have serious cybersecurity problems. That isn’t news. It’s been documented over the last decade in numerous peer-reviewed papers and state-sponsored studies by me and other computer security experts. We’ve been pointing out for years that voting machines are computers, and they have reprogrammable software, so if attackers can modify that software by infecting the machines with malware, they can cause the machines to give any answer whatsoever. I’ve demonstrated this in the laboratory with real voting machines — in just a few seconds, anyone can install vote-stealing malware on those machines that alters the electronic records of every vote.

      It doesn’t matter whether the voting machines are connected to the internet…”

    • 35 globalcitizenlinda
      December 3, 2016 at 10:25 am

      have you seen any reports about trying to examine those thousands of ballots that “recorded no choice for president”?

      I can believe a few hundreds but not the thousands that have been claimed …

      my guess is it would be very unusual for thousands of people to spend hours in line & not vote for the main position in a presidential year

  8. 36 desertflower
    December 3, 2016 at 9:01 am

    Morning everyone…good little read. h/t BJ


    Steinem, who helped select some of these subjects, fielded a press question about how she feels about the future of women’s rights in the wake of Donald Trump’s election to the U.S. presidency.

    Steinem attributed Trump’s win, in part, to backlash against the progress of women and minorities. “I think that what has been revealed to us is a truth that we must now deal with,” she said. “Never again is anyone going to say ‘post-feminist’ or ‘post-racist’ because we [now] understand that there is something like a third of the country that is still locked into these old hierarchies.”

    The activist compared the current state of the U.S. to a survivor of domestic violence. “The moment just before escaping or just after escaping [from a violent household] is the most dangerous time,” she said. “I think we are at a time of maximum danger in this country and we need to look out for each other.”

  9. 37 desertflower
    December 3, 2016 at 9:04 am

    WTF. Because of course!

  10. 39 desertflower
    December 3, 2016 at 9:13 am


  11. 41 desertflower
    December 3, 2016 at 9:14 am

    Sad thing is, this doesn’t sound far fetched to me.

  12. 43 globalcitizenlinda
    December 3, 2016 at 9:17 am

    good morning everyone!

    have a fantastic day

  13. 46 GGAIL
    December 3, 2016 at 11:05 am

    I don’t know why DT did what he did and if President Obama doesn’t voice an opinion or make a statement, then neither will I.

    • 47 99ts
      December 3, 2016 at 11:19 am

      He did it because he can ggail – and I have NO DOUBT that the President has an opinion – but because he is a diplomat and a leader he will discuss it with people who need to know. Doesn’t stop the media talking b.s. and those who don’t want WWIII and an economic collapse should be screaming from the rooftops about the insanity of the man elected to lead the USA. If is a nightmare from which many may never awake.

      • 48 GGAIL
        December 3, 2016 at 11:31 am

        My comment doesn’t state that PBO doesn’t have an opinion. I keep thinking about that young man who went on the stabbing spree and ultimately lost his life at OSU because he read the dire speculations on the Internet.
        Words have consequences.
        I will not be a party to such.

        • 49 Don
          December 3, 2016 at 11:40 am

          GGail, unfortunately that young man that went on the stabbing spree was probably mentally damaged long before he acted out. If it wasn’t the internet that set him off it probably would have been something else that set him off. This guy was probably screwed up from the giddy-up.

          • 50 GGail
            December 3, 2016 at 11:55 am

            Which further supports my position. We don’t know the mind-set of those who read the words on the Internet.
            Again, I will not contribute to unsubstantial speculation.

        • 51 99ts
          December 3, 2016 at 6:24 pm

          Words from RWNJs have no consequences whatsoever – as we are learning. They also seem able to kill without retribution. Some things are worth fighting for by whatever means are available. This is why the world is full of conflict. Too many think their way is the only way and I cannot lay down & let it happen. Sure I am angry – beyond where I have ever been – so maybe I should have stayed away in the first place – I won’t make the same mistake twice

    • 52 FoxfireTX
      December 3, 2016 at 11:54 am

      Actually two statements have come from the WH. The first was on Thursday from Josh Ernest where he reiterated that State Dept personnel are ready and waiting to advise the Trump group before making/taking these calls. It was a clear warning, obviously to no avail. Second, a statement was issued cleaning up the mess and reaffirming the US position on the One China policy. China today filed a formal complaint with the WH while cutting the administration some slack by blaming it on Taiwan.

      • 53 GGail
        December 3, 2016 at 12:09 pm

        Will still hold my thoughts until I see a statement from President Obama. No statement/no speculation from GGail.

        Didn’t expect my comment to elicit push back. Nevertheless…I prefer to err on the side of caution and not speculation.

      • 54 Don
        December 3, 2016 at 12:17 pm

        Trump doesn’t even know who to call, I mean seriously, does he having anyone on his staff that knows how to do diplomacy?

  14. 55 Don
    December 3, 2016 at 11:36 am

    What is interesting about Trump’s cabinet selection is that none of them belong to the old guard Republican establishment. This new crop seem to driven by money, and his military selections are castoffs that were deemed to be loose cannons that couldn’t or wouldn’t follow the chain of command, and all of them have a need to go to war.

  15. 57 hopefruit2
    December 3, 2016 at 12:18 pm

    G’morning Nerdy & TOD! Happy Saturday everyone. 🙂

  16. 59 globalcitizenlinda
    December 3, 2016 at 12:36 pm

    my perspective and what causes concern:

    I was born & have lived under governments with leaders who:

    – attacked & imprisoned journalists, and closed media outlets that dared to challenge illegal activity by office holders;

    – chose to destroy all rights of people they were supposed to serve and whose actions were then declared “legal” by a judicial system that was afraid,

    – identified people (university professors, just plain popular people who may or may not have spoken out) as enemies & used firing squads to execute them at lunch time in the center of the capital & aired this on national TV so everyone could watch;

    – currently kill people just because they want their property or because these people dare to speak up;

    – have sought & held power just because they have an insatiable need to belittle everyone even as they steal national property in broad day light;

    – used their families as fronts to own property that they have stolen from the nation or acquired through conflicts-of-interests;

    – are/were not satisfied with their own national borders and have undertaken actions to destabilize neighboring nations and lay a claim to their natural resources;

    – compromised the legislature, military, police and judiciary through bribes, blackmailing and physical threats so that there was no one who could credibly challenge illegal activity;

    – sent such fear into the general population that most decided to just put their heads down, be docile and survive from one day to the next.

    what I have learned is that like any other bad behavior, political overreach and corruption needs to be checked, challenged and stopped the first time otherwise it just gets worse and more bold.

    I pray that people are ready to do the hard work of making sure that these excesses do not come to pass here

    • 60 FoxfireTX
      December 3, 2016 at 12:53 pm

      Linda, while I would never have guessed someone like DT would be elected here, remember that he does not represent the majority of Americans by far. He is at 46%. And from what I’ve seen, folks understand what is at stake. Saw somewhere yesterday that donations to the ACLU have increased dramatically since the election. I have no confidence that the GOP or many conservatives will fight him, I suspect many will put their heads down and continue to deny facts, but there is a big section of our population that will fight back. And while I think he will be contained eventually, the sad thing is the damage he’ll do to America which may well be irreversible both in terms of trade and our standing in the world. We are going to pay a huge price for the idiocy of a good share of the population that put this man in office. It’s very sad given how hard PBO worked for the last 8 years to reverse the damage done by W. This time, it may be far more difficult if not impossible for the next president to correct.

  17. December 3, 2016 at 1:08 pm

  18. 65 JER
    December 3, 2016 at 1:35 pm

  19. 66 JER
    December 3, 2016 at 1:43 pm

    • December 3, 2016 at 1:52 pm

      Who wants to admit that they have been made a fool of?

    • 68 Don
      December 3, 2016 at 1:54 pm

      Carrier is an 88 billion dollar company that just got an even bigger tax break than they would normally get AND they still shipped over a thousand jobs to Mexico. but yeah, Trump is a bidness guy.

      • 69 Obama Grandmama
        December 3, 2016 at 2:20 pm

        Trump is also invested in Carrier and the pipeline in ND. I read that here yesterday. I also heard by KellyAnne that he divested his stock in the pipeline, but when a person is a proven liar I do not automatically take their word on anything.

  20. 70 JER
    December 3, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    Pete SouzA — February 2013. On the colonnade.

  21. 73 vcprezofan2
    December 3, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    Not to me, it isn’t! I actually shuddered at this view.

  22. 74 vcprezofan2
    December 3, 2016 at 4:46 pm

    BUT, will the EC do this….and with what resultant response from the p-elect’s electors? This is so befuddling!

  23. 82 desertflower
    December 3, 2016 at 5:12 pm

    I think WP ate my comment:)

  24. 84 desertflower
    December 3, 2016 at 5:17 pm

    I thought I couldn’t detest them anymore. I was wrong

  25. 87 JER
    December 3, 2016 at 6:19 pm

  26. December 3, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    h/t “Oh, Quiet ONe” 🙂

    back to work ….


  27. 94 JER
    December 3, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    President Barack Obama talks with Tom Donilon, Chair of the President’s Commission on Enhancing National Cybersecurity, in the Lower Cross Hall of the White House, Dec. 2, 2016. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

  28. December 3, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    “Governors and state legislators hold the power to protect and defend public schools from Betsy De Vos-style privatization; state colleges and teachers unions from Scott Walker-style defunding and attacks on their pensions and healthcare; and public and sacred Native American land from the federal, taxpayer-funded giveaways to drillers, frackers and developers that are surely coming under Trump. They will be the first line of defense in fighting climate change and are the decision-makers on whether their state will accept or reject federal funds for building high-speed rail and green energy production, and the jobs that come with them.”

  29. 100 Gazelle
    December 3, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    Doing a post-by (similar to a drive by), running like nutz, hope this vid hasn’t been posted here yet, it made me crack up & wanted to share with my TODers:


  30. 105 vcprezofan2
    December 3, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    Memory Lane pic – December – Hawaii 2013

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