Even When We Expected It, It Still Burns So Deep…..

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  1. 2 GGail
    December 28, 2015 at 2:43 pm

    One day, maybe not in my lifetime, but one day, people will wield the power of their vote like the weapon of Justice that it truly is

  2. December 28, 2015 at 2:48 pm

    You are so right, Chips.


    a child was EXECUTED in less than 2 seconds.

    The pivotal question for me, since the beginning of this travesty is:

    HOW, did this obviously unqualified man, get a position on the Cleveland Police Department? For me, it was the key to why they have been so odious with this case. Blaming a CHILD for being MURDERED in less than 2 seconds. Nobody wanted to answer this obvious question, so they have been peddling hard at the coverup on this case, because the answer to that question would mean the loss of numerous jobs.

    • 7 Judith Fardig
      December 28, 2015 at 2:52 pm

      We have to change this! Vote like our lives depend on it, because they do. Congratulations, GGail.

  3. December 28, 2015 at 2:51 pm

    Yes…even when we expected it…it still burnssssssssssssssssssssssss so deeply!!!!!

  4. December 28, 2015 at 2:53 pm
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  6. 12 GGail
    December 28, 2015 at 3:03 pm

    How about people like Delrey and Jessie Jackson go into these inner cities and hold townhalls on how to make your vote count to rid your city of people who allow injustices to flourish

    Getting mad or depressed doesn’t matter – what does matter is when elected officials become afraid that they will lose their high paying jobs through the vote of people who have been mistreated by the law that is sworn to protect them

    • December 28, 2015 at 3:22 pm

      it is not up to Delray or Jessie Jackson…to turn this tide of police…it is on all us…we must organize in each of our communities…we must select candidates who will deliver justice…and then hold them accountable if they don’t…..the power to change this is within us…and when i say us…i do not mean just blk folks….i mean all of us…

      • 14 GGail
        December 28, 2015 at 3:26 pm

        As leaders, Delray, Jesse, et al, should use their leadership skills and loud mouths to organize VOTER REGISTRATIONS and educate people on how to use the Power of the Vote.

        I think this is what I said

        • December 28, 2015 at 3:31 pm

          BLM developed Campaign Zero in an effort to do just that…but i find that some young people do not have a lot of faith in the system and after the Grand Jury decision…who can fault them…but those of us who do believe that it is possible to win will have to work to convince them that it is possible to win…

          • 16 GGail
            December 28, 2015 at 3:47 pm

            Just thinking outside the box for a minute…hmmm

            How ’bout asking LeBron James (Ohio) and Carmelo Anthony (New York) to be guess speaker at a local TownHall/Voter Registration event in these affected cities. I bet they would do it – if someone asks

            That’s how you get people to come and listen to what has to be said.

            • December 28, 2015 at 5:49 pm

              Good point. Good suggestion.

              • 18 Vicki
                December 28, 2015 at 5:58 pm

                Good point. Good suggestions, GGail. It would be very effective.

                That it hasn’t happened tells us something.

                • 19 GGail
                  December 28, 2015 at 6:42 pm

                  That no one has suggested it – could be the simple reason why it hasn’t happened. But because it hasn’t happened – why not give it a try?

                  Come on – all you people who name drop around here, let’s git ta gitten and line up an event that we can send to someone so that positive action will begin instead of all of this pissing & moaning

            • 20 globalcitizenlinda
              December 28, 2015 at 8:48 pm

              I live in Ohio.

              I can testify that during the last two presidential elections, I saw LeBron leading voter registrations and also GOTV.

              the gatherings were huge and diverse. he told people (young and also some avid basketball fans and others) that their lives can make a huge difference and that they must participate

              he worked through a number of cities throughout Ohio and yes, the young people came out to listen to what he was saying.

              • 21 GGAIL
                December 28, 2015 at 9:03 pm

                Linda, I bet if he was approached with an idea, he would be onboard. This is the message that should be sent in response to the Attorney’s Grand Jury decision

  7. December 28, 2015 at 3:10 pm

    it is a travesty…WE MUST Organizeeee and Vote!!!! and Organize some more……..

    this comes down to voting once again….the mayor…the DA…the legislators….are all elected positions….the folks who sit in these seats pass the laws and set the policies which guide our lives…We the People must begin to see the connection…


  8. 23 Nena20409
    December 28, 2015 at 3:14 pm

    Huff Post Got it Right.

  9. 24 Nena20409
    December 28, 2015 at 3:15 pm

    Congrats, GGail on your Golden ⭐

  10. 25 Nena20409
    December 28, 2015 at 3:16 pm

  11. 29 GGail
    December 28, 2015 at 3:16 pm

    How many of the people who are blocking freeways, malls, & disrupting sidewalks are registered voters? Why don’t they use their energy in a constructive manner and hold public Voting Registrations instead of laying down in the middle of the street?

      • 31 GGail
        December 28, 2015 at 3:31 pm

        If it will yield a positive outcome – okay, but if it’s only causing people to tune them out, then to me, it’s like that Occupy group. What was accomplished?

        • December 28, 2015 at 3:35 pm

          I agree, if it’s like Occupy it’s a waste. I was thinking more of the sit-ins and protests during the 60’s They did voter registration drives too, but they also disrupted people’s live to draw attention to what was going on.

          • 33 GGail
            December 28, 2015 at 3:37 pm

            Now that’s what I’m talking about – thanks maryl1 – you understand where I’m coming from!!!!

          • 35 jackiegrumbacher
            December 28, 2015 at 4:12 pm

            Maryl1, having lived through the sixties, I think a lot of people substituted protesting for solid political organizing. Yes, the protests raised awareness of injustices and yes, that did lead to greater equality under the law, but then a lot of people got bored, packed up and went home when it came time for the hard work of building a strong and enduring political base. And that gave us Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and eventually Reagan and the Bushes. We forgot to keep our eyes on the prize.

    • 36 jackiegrumbacher
      December 28, 2015 at 3:56 pm

      GGail, I agree with all my heart that if people don’t vote, nothing will change, even if there are protests and disruptions from now to doomsday. Protests are a great outlet for rage but they only generate anger in the powers that be, not fear. We have in our hands the power to create the system of justice we want to live under IF we organize, vote, and hold those elected officials accountable for their actions. The problem for most people is that registration drives and getting out the vote take hard work over long periods of time. People get impatient because they have been trained from birth to expect instant gratification for their efforts. The long, slow, tedious, day in and day out process of registering thousands upon thousands of people and then getting them to the polls seems like a mountain to high for many young people. But it’s the only mountain that counts and we all have to climb it.

      • December 28, 2015 at 4:10 pm

        I agree about the process of voter registration taking perseverance in our instant-gratification world. But protesting in any effective way takes time and patience too. I look back at the protesters of the 60’s. They did voter registration drives but they also acted to bring people who were not directly affected by the conditions to an understanding of what was going on. The overreaction of the police, etc. to peaceful demonstrations was what opened a lot of people’s eyes to what it was like for black people in the south. Done right, it’s a way to get some of the people in power to act. And they had to do it over and over again at great risk to themselves. Sorry, I may be out of line here; I know most people on this site know more than I do about these things. I do think that both parts are necessary and both parts require patience, dedication, perseverance, and a willingness to accept incremental steps while continuing to push forward.

        • 38 jackiegrumbacher
          December 28, 2015 at 5:00 pm

          Maryl1, I agree that in the sixties, the protests did help to awaken a lot of people to injustices that they had closed their minds and eyes to. There was a perfect storm in that time when the civil rights movement, the Vietnam protests and the women’s movement coalesced and even those who are slow to accept change knew that something huge and tectonic was happening in this country. Protests are the perfect tool to raise “awareness,” but without solid, long term community organizing the awareness subsides and people return to their comfort levels. There were some solid legislative gains in those days when we were blessed with a US Supreme Court that had a heart and a conscience. But we–all of us–got lazy and didn’t sustain the momentum that would have successfully countered the conservative backlash that followed the 60’s.

          • December 28, 2015 at 5:55 pm

            I agree, and I think the protesters then were focused and patient to achieve their goals. It took a lot of protests! At the same time they were registering voters, etc. I agree, a lot of change happened and then people lost interest or thought the problem was ‘solved’. I just meant to say that those protesters (unlike the Occupy people) were focused on a goal and the protests were planned to achieve that goal. I don’t know if the BLM protesters have that same kind of dedication. I just felt that protest in general shouldn’t be dismissed. I don’t think we’re disagreeing on anything! 🙂

      • 40 GGail
        December 28, 2015 at 4:13 pm

        Bless you JackieG!

        You and maryl1 get where I’m coming from and know that this is not something that will be resolved by anger, but by planning and coordination. I’m all for having resolve – for I truly have it, but let’s put some concrete actions with it.

        Posting quotes and pictures here will do nothing more than fan flames, it is way past time to develop concrete plans to put FEAR in these ELECTED Officials who are so cavalier that they don’t worry about nothing more than protests and riots to their decisions.

        • 41 0388jojothecat
          December 28, 2015 at 5:13 pm

          As PBO continuley says and i agree, “don’t boo or get mad..VOTE”. This is they only way to change things. Don’t stop voting, run good candidates who believe in justice. Register 18yr olds NOW! March be peaceful but register and participate.

      • December 28, 2015 at 4:36 pm

        it will be pretty hard to convince the young people of Cincinnati to believe in the system…it will take quite a bit…..i remember how it was for me…when i was young….but saying that community organizing is really the only way to empower the community….demonstrations are tools to be used for public awareness…and it can be used to harness political power..but it is the nitty gritty work of community empowerment that has to happen as well….the folks of the civil rights movement did not have the power of the vote….but the early leaders used both the political power of civil disobedience on the ground (King and Co) along with doing battle in the courts(Marshall and the NAACP Defense Fund)….they were able to get success..

        However as Don alluded to up thread…we continue to have to fight the same battles over and over again….

        it can rob one’s soul…

  12. 43 Don
    December 28, 2015 at 3:23 pm

    I would have been presently surprised if they did indict, I’m not outraged, what I have inside of me is a low simmer. I’ve seen this movie a thousand times and I’ve been able to convince myself that the next shooting of a black child will be the one that the justice system will finally get right. I guess now black folk and white folk are supposed to get together and hold hands and sing “we shall overcome.” A white child can go his or her entire life and not know the words to “we shall overcome.” But a black child will probably hear and sing that song many times before they reach Tamir’s age. Black people are the only people in America that have a song that speaks to the injustices that they have faced and continue to face.

    I remember when the O.J. Simpson verdict was announced and its aftermath, all of a sudden everybody wanted to know what black people thought about the verdict. I remember some white friends of mine asking me what I thought. My reply was “I’m not answering that question because America never gave a fuck before about black people’s opinion about the justice system, so why ask me now about my opinion about the O.J. verdict”

    The new thing now is that Policemen need sensitivity training to work in certain neighborhoods, if a policemen needs training to not shot a black child down in the street like an animal, then there is something very wrong in our society.

    • 44 edp4bho
      December 28, 2015 at 3:34 pm

      Amen, Don !

    • 45 Nena20409
      December 28, 2015 at 5:12 pm

      Agreed, 99%.
      To my Only pinch of disagreement is that here in USA, if an animal is treated that way, the public outcry will demand that this Officer be relieved of his duties. The indifference and the lack of empathy when the Body has a certain and particular Pigmentation is the Most Wicked of it all.

  13. 46 GGail
    December 28, 2015 at 3:24 pm

    Well lookee here – There are some people who do think like I do…

    The NAACP’s Calhoun-Liberty County Branch says it plans a town hall meeting on Wednesday, December 30.


    Sunday evening the Florida State Conference of the NAACP issued a statement urging state and federal agencies to investigation Dawson’s death, claiming that it was the result of “inhumane and negligent treatment” by the hospital.

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  16. 49 GGail
    December 28, 2015 at 3:35 pm

    I’m going to take a break from this post because all I see is the “weeping and gnashing of teeth”, but no positive solutions to eradicate this new disease that is killing black people.

    • 50 Don
      December 28, 2015 at 3:53 pm

      GGail, you don’t have to take a break, we can both talk about “positive solutions” and “weep and gnash teeth” and vent all at the same time. Your voice is needed and wanted.

    • December 28, 2015 at 4:02 pm

      Excuse me, this is NOT a new disease. This has been going on for centuries. I would also say that every time there is a new injury, when justice is rejected by the legal system, it is a new injury and new grief and anger are appropriate and healthy. Grief and anger become motivators to change.

      • 53 GGail
        December 28, 2015 at 4:07 pm

        Bill, you do realize that I am a BLACK woman. I should know what has and continues to be injustices upon my people. So please put your indignation back in your pocket.

        What I want to see from MY people is more action – like the suggestions I’ve posted above.

        • December 28, 2015 at 4:31 pm

          We all handle our grief and moral outrage in different ways based on our life experience. I do think that the program put forth by #BlackLivesMatter can be implemented and bear fruit. And Yes, voting matters. The entire administration of Cleveland should go the next election.

          • 55 GGail
            December 28, 2015 at 4:45 pm

            How ’bout a “Voter Registration Concert to Honor Tamir Rice” to be held at The University of Ohio, starring, The OHIO Players. And every person between the ages of 18 – 35 who registers to vote or can show proof of voter registration will get in for Half Price.

            Think people, Think!

        • 57 nathkatun7
          December 29, 2015 at 12:07 am

          Voting is absolutely critical, but so is organized protest. The right to vote for non-whites and women was won because of organized protest. I think it’s naive to suggest that voting is the only action that brings about change. After all, the First Amendment recognizes, and protects, “the right of the people peaceably to assemble, to petition government for a redress of grievances.”

    • December 28, 2015 at 7:49 pm

      What’s new about it. It’s as old as this country and so sad. My tears run like a river.

      • 59 GGAIL
        December 28, 2015 at 8:59 pm

        What’s new is that in this digital age, they are doing it and Still getting away with it.
        What do your tears accomplish?
        How about thinking of ways to get people in affected cities registered to vote.

    December 28, 2015 at 3:55 pm


  18. 67 Linda
    December 28, 2015 at 4:06 pm

    OMG… The Cleveland Mayor just said that now the Tamir Rice family has ” closure ” on the ” criminal aspect ” of this.

    Good Grief….how does the family have ” closure ” Mr. Mayor when your city just poured salt in to their open wound ? How ?

    • 68 Nena20409
      December 28, 2015 at 5:15 pm

      Does this Mayor know the meaning of Closure?
      You can’t get Closure with injustice. And there is No Closure when a parent buries a child, let alone one that was taken by a killing legalized by the State.

      • 69 Don
        December 28, 2015 at 6:27 pm

        Yes, the mayor knows what “closure” means. He’s just not willing to extend any sort of common decency to this obviously grieving family. The mayor isn’t even willing to say something approaching empathy for this family. I would prefer you bullshit me and say you care as opposed to the cold and callus words you throw around. This child is human, it hurts me to my core that a black child cannot get recognized as being human. What should be my reaction to our children being shot down like dogs in broad daylight? Should I make a stand no matter how violet it may become, or should I hold out hope that maybe one day you will not see my black skin as some sort of threat to your very existence? How much longer must we scream that we are human just as you are, we want nothing from you but to simply live as you live?

        • 70 GGail
          December 28, 2015 at 6:47 pm

          Why should the Mayor “fake it”. What are the people gonna do? Nothing. And the Mayor knows that the people have been conditioned to do nothing about the plight they find themselves in.

          Bitching & cussing is one thing, but, let’s devise some solutions, some actionable items to support our positions

  19. December 28, 2015 at 4:19 pm

    I am seething with anger and that is far, far, far from the person I strive to be, so this is my only post for today ….

    bb tomorrow …


  20. December 28, 2015 at 4:53 pm

    Now tell me again that ALL LIVES MATTER. That piece of crap D.A. had no intention of bringing any charges.

  21. 76 arapaho415
    December 28, 2015 at 5:15 pm

    GA TODville.

    Hate the coverup conducted by MSM.

    No pushback on:

    (From Chips’ twitter timeline):

    And this…

    • 77 0388jojothecat
      December 28, 2015 at 5:26 pm

      25yr old white guy carry a gun in AA neighborhood police has no power, perfectly legal but little AA child playing with gun shot down in 2 seconds no indictment because he looked older.

  22. 78 mtmarilyn
    December 28, 2015 at 5:26 pm

    I am so heartsick. I do not understand how a person can live with themselves coming to the conclusion that it is okay to take a life.

  23. December 28, 2015 at 5:46 pm

    I used the same Lowery tweet to FP an open thread on TPV. My text? “Words are useless right now.”

  24. December 28, 2015 at 6:11 pm

    Hat tip BJ


    Minorities exploited by Warren Buffett’s mobile-home empire

    Originally published December 26, 2015 at 8:00 am Updated December 28, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    Times Watchdog: Clayton Homes has used a pattern of deception to help extract billions from poor customers around the country — particularly people of color, who make up a substantial and growing portion of its business. The company is controlled by Warren Buffett, one of the world’s richest men.

    By Mike Baker

    Daniel Wagner

    The Seattle Times / BuzzFeed News

    Third of a series

    GALLUP, N.M. — After a few years living with her sister, Rose Mary Zunie, 59, was ready to move into a place of her own.

    So, on an arid Saturday morning this past summer, the sisters piled into a friend’s pickup truck and headed for a mobile-home sales lot here just outside the impoverished Navajo reservation.

    The women — one in a long, colorful tribal skirt, another wearing turquoise jewelry, a traditional talisman against evil — were steered to a salesman who spoke Navajo, just like the voice on the store’s radio ads.

    He walked them through Clayton-built homes on the lot, then into the sales center, passing a banner and posters promoting one subprime lender: Vanderbilt Mortgage, a Clayton subsidiary. Inside, he handed them a Vanderbilt sales pamphlet.

    “Vanderbilt is the only one that finances on the reservation,” he told the women.


  25. 86 arapaho415
    December 28, 2015 at 6:23 pm

    GA/GE TODville.

    Didn’t see the #TamirRice press conference, but if these tweets are true, prosecutor/CPD remind me of #Ferguson prosecutor/FPD.

    • 87 arapaho415
      December 28, 2015 at 6:24 pm

      And this…

  26. 88 isonprize
    December 28, 2015 at 6:27 pm

    This is some BULLISHT!!!

  27. 89 isonprize
    December 28, 2015 at 6:37 pm

    So, how old do you need to look to get shot and killed? Is it 13? 14? What about 15?

    A person should know better than to play in a playground because they look “older”? Older than who?

    How tall do you need to be to be killed in 2 sec? Is 5′ 6″ tall enough? What about 5′ 8?

    I am sick of innocent, unarmed people, BLACK PEOPLE, being shot to death, choked to death, rattled to death, who-knows-what to death, by ignorant, punk-azz, cowardly police officers.

    Stand up, courageous police officers need to be clear about the punks who they work with. Voters need to vote for DAs, mayors and other elected officials who have their best interest at heart.

  28. 90 desertflower
    December 28, 2015 at 6:45 pm

    “The role of public health is to document the deaths that have occurred; it is a separate matter, in the realm of the legal system, to determine the circumstances under which the deaths have occurred (e.g., whether use of force was justifiable or not). However, in addition to the harms experienced directly by individuals due to law-enforcement–related violence, there is another important casualty: the public health harms that arise from the damage rendered to the body politic itself. Police are one of the most visible “faces” of government, whose work daily puts them in view of the public they are sworn to protect. Combine excess police violence with inadequate prosecution of such violence, and the ties that bind citizens and their democratically elected governments become deeply frayed, with vicious cycles of distrust and violence fueling dysfunctional policing and dysfunctional governance more generally. The direct effects and spill-over effects matter for public health and medicine alike, as reflected in the impact on emergency medical services, trauma units, mental health, and the trust required to deliver and implement any government-sponsored program, public health or otherwise.”

    Harvard wants to track these police killings as a public health issue.


  29. 91 JER
    December 28, 2015 at 6:46 pm

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