What We’re Facing


From ThinkProgress:

Journalists for Univision, the largest Spanish-language television station in the United States, were removed from a Donald Trump campaign event in Florida on Friday. The news was first reported by Jorge Ramos, Univision’s flagship news anchor, on Twitter, and was later confirmed by the Hollywood Reporter. A spokesperson for the campaign claims that the Univision TV crew was barred from covering the event because “Mr. Trump is suing Univision for $500 million and until that is resolved it is a conflict of interest.”

Trump sued the popular Spanish-language network, claiming that Univision breached an agreement to broadcast Miss Universe pageants through 2019 — although it’s unclear why Trump still has a stake in this lawsuit since he sold the Miss Universe Organization in September.

So. Donald Trump, the front runner for the Republican presidential nomination, has barred Univision, the most popular Spanish language broadcaster in the US, from covering his campaign.

Oh, yes, it’s all about “I’m suing them, so it’s a conflict of interest.” But, as the article makes clear, Donald has sold off his interest in the Miss Universe pageant, so the suit is strange to say the least.

No, the suit continues to continue Donald’s campaign of denigrating Latinos. And barring Univision from covering his campaign events is merely logical in this campaign.

What my community is facing in this election is a campaign of defamation. From the Freedom Caucus securing Paul Ryan’s promise to not pursue immigration reform to Donald Trump’s scurrilous attacks on Latinos, we’re one of the convenient targets of the GOP. (African Americans and Muslims also round out the cast of characters.)

So, forgive me if I’m not very interested in relitigating the fights of 2007 and 2008 between Pres. Obama and Hillary Clinton. I have a slightly different view of things.

My very white, very Cuban mother is scared to death of Donald Trump becoming President. Not just for herself; she’s a naturalized citizen, but she’s told me on more than one occasion that Donald wants to send her back to Cuba. But also for the many non-Cuban Latino friends she has, a few of whom are not legal residents, for whom she fears if the full GOP program comes into effect. Latinos of all stripes are frightened of what the GOP has become, when even Cubans Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are all on board with the immigrant hate. The GOP program is one of exclusion and denigration.

It’s often been said that Republicans fall in line and Democrats fall in love. We certainly fell in love with Barack Obama. But we don’t have that luxury this election. Republicans are in love with an ideology which threatens any non-white, non-Christian community in the US. The only thing which will stop them is severe discipline.

Bernie Sanders won’t bring it for us, as he’s not even a Democrat. In the beginning I was a Martin O’Malley partisan, thinking he would be the best to carry out the Obama agenda. His performance has disabused me of that notion. What I really believed was “No more Clintons, no more Bushes.” But Jeb Bush is about to drop out of the race, and Mrs. Clinton seems to have learned from 2008. Many Obama supporters cast side eyes at her because of 2008, and her convenient embrace of the president’s achievements, most recently at the Iowa Jefferson-Jackson Dinner. But as a member of a community in the cross hairs of the GOP, I can’t afford to split hairs. Bernie isn’t going to save my people; his people won’t vote Democratic anyway. And Martin O’Malley will make a wonderful vice presidential candidate. As President Obama taught us, we not only have to be hopeful, but pragmatic. Progress doesn’t mean getting everything you want, but moving in the right direction. And if a man like Donald Trump gets into office, we will see an America few of us imagined we’d see after the election and re-election of Barack Obama.

So, yes, I will vote for Hillary Clinton. Not because she’s the perfect candidate; I’ll never see another Barack Obama in my lifetime. But purity is the enemy of progress. If we hold on to the bitterness of the past, we’ll never see the promise of the future.

We’ve had a burst of light for 8 years. Now the task is to keep that flame burning.

105 Responses to “What We’re Facing”

  1. 1 amk for obama
    October 25, 2015 at 12:20 pm

    FURST. 😎

  2. 4 amk for obama
    October 25, 2015 at 12:23 pm

    But as a member of a community in the cross hairs of the GOP, I can’t afford to split hairs.

    great line.

  3. 7 Jeff
    October 25, 2015 at 12:27 pm

    agree 100 percent. Wish I could explain my feelings to a friend of mine who is a avid Bernie supporter.

  4. 8 amk for obama
    October 25, 2015 at 12:29 pm

    apropos your piece

    old piece, still valid.

  5. 9 amk for obama
    October 25, 2015 at 12:29 pm

  6. October 25, 2015 at 12:30 pm

    Great piece LL, I don’t think there are many – any? – enthusiastic Hillary supporters around here, but if the alternative is a President Trump (or any of the GOP), there just is no choice. It’s too scary to think about. And when Nena posted a reminder about the ages of the Supreme Court the other day – four over 70 – it got scarier. A two-term GOP president could end up making four damn appointments to the SC. Nightmarish.

  7. 23 vcprezofan2
    October 25, 2015 at 12:40 pm

    Thanks for the tip, Chips Chica; I was totally unaware there was a new thread. 😀 😀

  8. 26 amk for obama
    October 25, 2015 at 12:42 pm

  9. 27 globalcitizenlinda
    October 25, 2015 at 12:43 pm

    I hope more people who are not Hispanic are paying attention, not forgetting and that they take these bigoted insults very personally.

    and I fervently hope that opposition to this hate-filled talk and actions shows up at the ballot box in a huge wave – I am ready to do my part

  10. 28 Don
    October 25, 2015 at 12:44 pm

    I will vote for the Democratic nominee be it Hillary or O’Malley. I think that we have too much to lose if a Republican wins the Presidency. But goddamnit I don’t want to hear anyone from Hillary’s camp bad-mouthing President Obama, I really don’t. keep that fucking Bill Clinton away from the cameras, the only thing the Clintons have to do is shut the fuck up and smile and they can win this thing easily.

  11. 33 amk for obama
    October 25, 2015 at 12:48 pm

    Republican presidential candidate and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie was reportedly kicked off of the quiet car on an Amtrak train from DC to New York for being too loud, Gawker reported Sunday.

    A passenger on the train, Alexander Mann, told Gawker that Christie got on the train “last minute” and started yelling at his bodyguards. He then started making phone calls and had “intense” conversations, Mann reportedly said.

    Christie said into his phone, “this is frickin’ ridiculous” and “seriously?! seriously?!” according to Mann.

    Christie was also drinking a McDonald’s strawberry smoothie, Mann said, according to the report.

    The Amtrak’s quiet car prohibits cell phone use and loud noise of any kind.


    your typical ugly murkan.

    • 34 vcprezofan2
      October 25, 2015 at 1:26 pm

      He likely did it for the attention! Let’s face it, Christie is more comfortable in taxpayer funded helicopters, etc. Since he hasn’t been getting much media ink recently, what better and inexpensive way to stir up some dust that enter the public, quiet, train car and draw attention to yourself? smh

  12. 36 globalcitizenlinda
    October 25, 2015 at 12:50 pm

    I take it that the corrupt-to-the-core pompous chris christie, by attacking Black Lives Matter, is seeking some attention to help him get above the margin of error;

    so many gop fools & bigots in the clown car, so little time

  13. 37 amk for obama
    October 25, 2015 at 12:54 pm

  14. 38 desertflower
    October 25, 2015 at 12:56 pm

    Great piece, LL. You should add this to the info.


    The Trump campaign previously barred the Spanish-language station Univision from covering its event in Florida.
    Trump was reportedly interrupted several times by protesters during his appearance at the Trump National Doral Miami resort. At one point, he appeared to endorse the use of violent tactics against these protesters. “See the first group, I was nice. Oh, take your time,” Trump said of the protesters. “The second group, I was pretty nice. The third group, I’ll be a little more violent. And the fourth group, I’ll say get the hell out of here!”

  15. 39 GGAIL
    October 25, 2015 at 12:57 pm

    LL, is your mother a registered voter? Will you help her gather her senior friends registered to vote for their self-interests?
    If the fear of immigration is the motivation, then so be it. And don’t forget to motivate those who are members of the powerful SEIU.

  16. 43 desertflower
    October 25, 2015 at 1:04 pm

    Foot, meet mouth.

  17. October 25, 2015 at 1:10 pm

  18. October 25, 2015 at 1:14 pm

    LL, OUTSTANDING piece. I am absolutely heartbroken about the VP’s decision; we needed another 4 – 8 years to break the back of the status quo. However, as I said earlier, while my heart just isn’t in it, I WILL vote for Hillary, as to do otherwise is suicide…

  19. 50 amk for obama
    October 25, 2015 at 1:21 pm

  20. 51 amk for obama
    October 25, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    that’s all, folks.

  21. October 25, 2015 at 1:28 pm


    I appreciate what you wrote, but I still disagree with you. I don’t believe she’s learned shyt from 2008. She’s surrounded herself with the same cabal of rotten azz muthaphuckas that were around in 2008. I’m a Black woman in America. Nobody can scare me into voting for Hillary Clinton. Phuck that.

    • October 25, 2015 at 2:18 pm

      it is not about being scared…it is about pragmatism….Purity is the enemy of progress…no matter how much you do not like Hillary…she is not on the level of Trump..Carson and the crew….

      i will go one step further….we well need to motivate folks to the polls….we have to offer folks hope of a brighter tomorrow…not just a lessor of two evils….we will have to work our asses off to win 2016…..

      there needs to be state by state strategy to organize….to register new voters…and then a GOTV plan…we must have a HUGEEEEEE turn out…..because believe you me…the powers that be and their allies in the GOP…are not wanting anything in the WH like the last 7 yrs…..there will be so many tricks that will make our head spin…

      we must work on the State House and local districts….

      it is not about being scared….it is about being pragamatic and understanding that we have NO other option but to win in 2016….

  22. October 25, 2015 at 1:34 pm

    Back to add…

    This is how the GOP has always thought of Latinos. I don’t understand why Trump scares them more than others…because he doesn’t speak in Frank Luntz -approved language. Do Latinos not understand the Frank Luntz approved dogwhistles, and that they’re aimed at them?

    There isn’t an ounce of difference between any of the GOP candidates.

    I was sitting here before asking this question about Jeb Bush. He went on Univision, no less, and said:
    1) no citizenship
    2) you can be a permanently exploited worker class for my rich buddies
    3) he was going to cut off the sibling relationship in trying to get citizenship

    but, because he said in Spanish, and in Frank Luntz-approved language…

    that made it better?

    From where I sit, the GOP has been saying this about Latinos ever since they torpedoed Shrub’s attempt at immigration reform.

    Shrub could lie us into 2 wars…but, it was the GOP that revolted against him when he tried to do immigration reform.

    Latinos didn’t understand what that meant BACK THEN?

    Stop acting like Trump is saying this stuff ‘all of a sudden’. This is who the GOP has ALWAYS been.

    • 55 desertflower
      October 25, 2015 at 1:40 pm


    • 56 catrst
      October 25, 2015 at 2:13 pm

      I longed for the African American and Hispanic communities to become empowered enough to listen to the rhetoric from the GOP and understand its danger, organize and strategize to get everyone to the polls, and become candidates, advisors, appointees and aides at far greated numbers. The President has done whatever he can to respect, empower and include and that will help enormously. I have high hopes for everyone that is or has been disenfranchised in any way to realize the power they hold when they exercise it. That’s my dream. Though I am not in either of those groups I am a cheerleader because I understand how incredible it will be to live in a country where all talent is valued and lifted up. We also don’t understand how we spite ourselves when we don’t welcome the stranger, our immigrants. Xenophobia and racism are diseases like cancer.

  23. 58 vcprezofan2
    October 25, 2015 at 1:35 pm

    Lib-L, you make good points for your case, and yes, ‘purity is the enemy of [political] progress’. I hear and understand you. I have to add though, some of us don’t want purity as much as we want authenticity &/ sincerity; no one is perfect. (Acknowledgement that many voters have brains and don’t appreciate being treated like sheeple would be nice too.)

  24. October 25, 2015 at 1:36 pm

    Thanks LL for posting, and expressing your highly-respected views on this current political process. Here are a few of my immediate thoughts/reactions. Whichever Democrat wins the Dem nomination has my vote in the General election. But I don’t like coronations during primaries – I say let the process play out. In my view, the reasons cited to keep a GOPer out of the WH will apply regardless of which Dem one selects in 2016.

    Secondly, I don’t quite buy the argument that O’Malley would make a great VP, but is somehow less qualified to be President. The VP has to be ready and able, at a moment’s notice to assume the position of President should something happen to the sitting President. That was a thorny issue that weighed on many GOP voters’ minds after McCain selected Palin as his running mate. Dick Cheney pretty much called the shots during the entire Bush Presidency. And Joe Biden has been a master behind-the-scenes operator to PBO’s front & central performance. As we TODers can attest, the duo of Obama/Biden has been a work of near-perfection and sight to behold over these last 7 years.

    So I truly believe at this point, it comes down to a matter of personal preference between HRC and O’Malley – they have relative strengths and weaknesses, but at the end of the day I would walk on glass to vote for either of them before I sit at home to watch a “President-elect Trump, “President-elect Carson” or “President-elect Bush” (or President-elect “WhicheverRethug”) on my TV screen in Nov 2016.

  25. October 25, 2015 at 1:43 pm

    If Sec Clinton is on the 8 Nov 2016 ballot as the Dem candidate, as I’ve stated here before, I’ll vote for her.

    However, that’s more than a year away and I’ve noticed how few people remember the ‘reality on the ground’ at this very same time in Oct 2007:

    Senator Obama was eating Sen Clinton’s dust on 23 Oct 2007, a reality that would have continued for Sen Obama had Ms Valerie Jarrett not taken a leadership position in the campaign irrespective of how eloquent his speech was a week or so later at the #IDPJJ ’07 event. What candidate Obama lacked in summer/fall of ’07 wasn’t guts, intelligence, nearly unmatched oratory skills, empathy, etc … what he lacked was effective campaign leadership – leadership that would actually listen to the representatives of diverse constituencies who staffed his team, who were doing the ground work.

    The Valerie Jarrett I Know: How She Saved the Obama Campaign and Why She’s Indispensable

    I’ve just sent the following to MOM …

    Like @deray ….

    h/t pf58

    I’ve never been seduced or otherwise distracted by others acquiescence to ‘the inevitable’ …. just doesn’t fit the mo of an entrepreneurial scientist 🙂

    Until MOM concedes, I’m gonna bust my butt for him.

    As he stated at the very end of his #IDPJJ ….

    #FORWARD Together

  26. October 25, 2015 at 1:45 pm

    Hopefully a moderator will release my rather detailed comment from spam …….. short form, I don’t do coronations and I don’t dig ‘inevitable’ ….

    bbl ….

  27. October 25, 2015 at 1:45 pm

    I hear you rikyrah, VC, and hopefruit. And to be honest, I hesitated posting this piece, knowing the raw nerves over HRC here.

    Yes, rikyrah, Latinos have been their own worst enemies. I’ve written about that and tweeted. That any Latino votes GOP is a puzzlement and baffling. But, of course, “Latino” isn’t a race, and someone from Argentina =/= someone from Mexico. The GOP has always treated Latinos as second class citizens. I think the difference this time is that the front runner isn’t even trying to make polite noises to the community. He’s at full war with the community. There’s nowhere to hide for us. Anti-immigrant animus is the central plank of the frontrunners in a way it hasn’t been before. So that’s why my community has finally realized “Oh shit”.

    I didn’t write this piece necessarily seeking to change minds, but to keep a conversation going. I’m writing solely as a member of a community which is being blamed for all of America’s ills in a way it never has been before. And it’s a damned shame it took this for us to get our heads out of our asses. But such is humanity. Too many of us refuse to see what is clearly evident.

  28. 66 overseasgranny
    October 25, 2015 at 1:46 pm

    Yes, Lib Lib, I too am going to vote for Hill. However, If we have the chance to draft Biden at the convention I’m all for that even more.

  29. October 25, 2015 at 2:00 pm

    Ok dear friends, thank you for the comments, both pro and con. However, I must depart now. I spent all day online yesterday, and I promised Mrs. LL that we’d do stuff today. See everyone later.

  30. October 25, 2015 at 2:03 pm


    a dose of realism…

    But as a member of a community in the cross hairs of the GOP, I can’t afford to split hairs. Bernie isn’t going to save my people; his people won’t vote Democratic anyway. And Martin O’Malley will make a wonderful vice presidential candidate. As President Obama taught us, we not only have to be hopeful, but pragmatic. Progress doesn’t mean getting everything you want, but moving in the right direction. And if a man like Donald Trump gets into office, we will see an America few of us imagined we’d see after the election and re-election of Barack Obama.

    So, yes, I will vote for Hillary Clinton. Not because she’s the perfect candidate; I’ll never see another Barack Obama in my lifetime. But purity is the enemy of progress. If we hold on to the bitterness of the past, we’ll never see the promise of the future.
    We’ve had a burst of light for 8 years. Now the task is to keep that flame burning.



  31. October 25, 2015 at 2:08 pm

    Thanks, LL. “……purity is the enemy of progress.” A-freaking-MEN and then some!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😜😜😜😜😜😜

  32. 72 a4alice
    October 25, 2015 at 2:09 pm

    a very thoughtful post full of pragmatism. I will vote for the democratic nominee even if I gotta hold my nose because to vote anything else is suicide. However November of 2016 is still aways off and many things could happen.

  33. 73 Don
    October 25, 2015 at 2:21 pm

    Rikyrah, you have hit on to what is the true eight-hundred pound elephant in the room, and it has to do solely with race. When President Obama was elected President he broke a psychological chain that held black people as well as white people in check. President Obama’s election fucked a lot of people up, psychologically speaking. It shifted the racial landscape to such an extent that someone like Donald Trump can come along and say the things he’s saying in broad daylight and get away with it without anyone calling him out on it. President Obama’s election made all the racist self-identify, racist to this day haven’t figured out how to hide in broad daylight. If President Obama had not been elected I don’t think this country wouldn’t have done any sort of meaningful soul searching.

    Rikyrah, when you say “I’m a Black woman in America. Nobody can scare me into voting for Hillary Clinton. Phuck that.” I truly understand why you said that shit, I truly do! You want to know what scares me, Rikyrah? When I’m driving home at night and a cop pulls us behind me, shit like that scares me to death. A Republican being the next President does not scare me one bit, and please, it does not mean that I won’t vote for a Democrat. It simply means that whomever is in office, won’t be able to save me when I’m driving home at night if I get pulled over.

    • October 25, 2015 at 3:08 pm

      When I’m driving home at night and a cop pulls us behind me, shit like that scares me to death. A Republican being the next President does not scare me one bit, and please, it does not mean that I won’t vote for a Democrat.

      Don, I feel you. I feel you.

      You are a regular Black man. You are a law abiding citizen. You get up in the morning, go to work, and just want to make it home back to your family without harm.

      As should be your right as a citizen in this country.

      A lot of folks don’t realize that we are close to the brink in this country, because regular Black folks have had it.

      We’ve had it with the general public telling us that cops can kill us at will and make up the reason afterwards.

      It is, but it’s not a joke as to what has become criminal for Black people in this country.

      Driving While Black.
      Walking While Black
      Talking While Black
      Riding a Bike While Black
      Existing While Black
      Getting a broken car While Black
      Getting into a Car Accident While Black
      Listening to loud music in a car While Black

      The Corey Jones MURDER disturbs my very soul.

      What, in the history of AMERICA,
      would make Corey Jones believe,
      as he sat on a deserted road, at 3 am in the morning..

      that someone pulling UPSIDE to him, with a gun and not in uniform, a cop car, or a badge, should be taken at his WORD, that he was a police officer?


      and, Florida is a Conceal-Carry state, so if Corey had a firearm and had the license…HE WAS WITHIN HIS RIGHTS!

      I feel you Don.
      I understand all that you write.

    • October 25, 2015 at 3:23 pm

      A Republican being the next President does not scare me one bit, and please, it does not mean that I won’t vote for a Democrat. It simply means that whomever is in office, won’t be able to save me when I’m driving home at night if I get pulled over.


      i understand…

      as the President has said…

      We are the Change we seek…WE have to be serious about organizing…organizing….organizing…..in our communities

      Change takes time…Progress is slow….i think about about the 50 years of the Civil Rights Movement….i CRY Don…that we always must struggle…but that seems to be our lot…

      but we must continue to work for the best possible outcome from what ever is available to us…

      I PRAY for your safety don…as i pray for my grandsons’ safety…

  34. 76 arapaho415
    October 25, 2015 at 2:23 pm

    GA TODville, LL.

    Seems like I was in the minority here last night — found the JJ dinner speeches from Sanders and O’Malley fascinating.

    My fear is that the US as a whole (remember that most voters don’t obsessively follow politics like TODville does) has both Bush and Clinton fatigue. In addition to my fears of a meddling WJC, am concerned with HRC as Dem nominee.

    MSM has spent most of its Dem coverage on HRC, licking their chops at the thought of incessantly running negative stories after the nominees from both parties are established.

    After @VP announcement that he wouldn’t seek the Presidency:

    We who are interested in politics and the well-being of our country are rightfully appalled at the thought of a GOP President staffing SCOTUS.

    I don’t think HRC will win if she is Dem nominee, and despite position differences (mostly TPP) where the speakers last night distanced themselves from the Obama Administration, all three heeded @VP’s Wednesday’s important call to arms.

    For me, last night was an Obama-Biden lovefest.

  35. 77 Don
    October 25, 2015 at 2:33 pm

    What I’m starting to sense is that some believe that when it comes to voting for Hillary, black people won’t be able to understand what not voting for her would mean for our community, and it is troubling.

  36. 78 vcprezofan2
    October 25, 2015 at 2:35 pm

    This excerpt is from the article re Valerie Jarrett that Bobfr shared above. It’s written by the former leader of PBO’s WH faith office and it’s worth a read in its entirety.
    [It’s also a testimony to the reason many TODobots instinctively do not want to go backwards into the old W,DC scene. We **know** that PBO and his admin did their best to move the nation #FORWARD by reaching out to a wider audience that included the younger generation.]

    // …………………………….
    Valerie is still something of an outsider, although she has been in our nation’s capitol for a while now. Washington doesn’t long abide people that it can’t control, and Valerie is just a tad beyond the establishment’s reach. She owes few favors; she doesn’t need to rely on anyone for a media hit, consulting contract, or her next job. Whisper campaigns don’t diminish her status in the eyes of Obama—the two are friends, pure and simple, and the president has long since concluded that, outside sniping aside, Valerie has his best interests in mind. Perhaps most frustrating for the powers that be is that Valerie Jarrett has built her own base of support from the ground up—outside groups whose progressive causes she proudly champions, and young, influential staff whose voices she has empowered.

    I’m one of those voices. After several years of working for Obama, I came into the White House a 26-year old department head charged with engaging the faith community on some pretty tough issues. At that age I had little leverage other than work ethic, intense loyalty to the president, and the strength of my ideas.

    But that was enough for Valerie. I could bring concepts to her and have them considered on their merits. If they were well thought through, with a clear plan of execution, she was in, and ready to go to the mat.

    It’s not just me. There is certainly an “Obama generation” of young leaders who came out of the 2008 campaign and have been inspired by the president to enter public service—but a large and growing subset of that crowd is a “Valerie Generation” as well. Washington is teeming with women, minorities, LGBT, disabled, and other brilliant staffers who might have had a tough time getting a shot in “This Town” if it weren’t for Valerie Jarrett believing in them. She helped place this new generation of leaders in roles of significance in the White House and broader administration. Washington is a heck of a lot better as a result, and will be for years to come.



    • October 25, 2015 at 4:05 pm

      Yes, VC.

      Also, the article is essential reading, along with the 23 Oct 2007 Gallup poll, to bring everyone into the ‘reality of that moment.’

      BHO was on a trajectory of failure. Period. He was so far behind HRC the folk I argued with extensively during the months prior to Iowa gave him no chance of winning. And, those same people, still licking their wounds from BHO’s victory in Iowa, were LOL’ing with the ‘told ya so’ when HRC stomped him in NH. It wasn’t until SC, that, as Rev DuBois correctly notes, the Obama coalition + campaign team really started to click.

      In other words, we have a long way to go and my hope is, especially after last night, that Gov O’Malley can attract the same kind of leadership to his campaign (along with his own rather well tuned ability to listen to other people) that Ms Jarrett brought to BHOs.

      A key paragraph in Rev DuBois’s essay is:

      “I saw all of this myself. Valerie brought a level of empathy and spirit to the hardened machinery of elections that we sorely needed in order to match our hopeful rhetoric with the reality of the campaign. Perhaps more importantly, she protected and elevated causes and voices—diverse voices—that would have otherwise never been heard. Valerie’s new role sometimes led to friction among existing campaign leadership, but the end result—a broad and deep coalition, and a winning campaign—was clearly worth it. She was an outsider who came inside, and she made the insiders that much better.”

      #Hope4ALL I think is a good meme for the O’Malley folk to coalesce in stark contrast to #ImForHER.

      Thus ….

  37. 80 Don
    October 25, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    • Walks in and looks around while whistling the theme from the “Tonight Show with Johnny Carson” when Carson was hosting, sees nobody talking and walks out.

  38. 81 donna dem 4 obama
    October 25, 2015 at 3:10 pm

    Thank You LL.

    As I said yesterday I bleed Blue. I might be a little different than most here but before PBO I had mediocre expectations of political candidates. Now after eight years of euphoria I understand that PBO has set an unrealistic high bar for anyone coming after him. We will probably not see anyone of his high moral character again in our lifetime. I accepted this sometime ago. So, I just need someone who will mostly build on what Obama/Biden started and share my Democratic values on equality, voting rights, immigration reform, criminal justice reform, diplomacy over war etc. I won’t just vote for the Democratic nominee, I will do whatever it takes to ensure a Dem is in the WH after PBO. I look at Clinton with a side eye because I have a vivid memory of 2007/2008 but one of the things that PBO always says is that this isn’t about him it’s about us. I take this to heart and feel that I don’t need the candidate of my dreams in order to vote enthusiastically for that person because I no longer make it about them its about my values and what effect the candidates policies will have on my quality of life. One of the reasons that Dems don’t vote in the midterms like they should is because they don’t have that impressive, inspirational candidate to motivate them to go to the polls. What they fail to understand is that its more about the policies than the person. Republicans understand this which is why they will vote for any nut that comes along as long as they have an R behind their name. I’m not saying that we should be that blind but we certainly need to spend as much time understanding policy as we do the nuances of our candidates. When you look at who is left standing in the Democratic primary with the exception of Bernie who is about as extreme as you can get on the left their isn’t a whole lot of difference in where they stand on policy.

    • October 25, 2015 at 3:35 pm

      It’s more about the policies than the person. EXACTLY!!!

    • 83 jackiegrumbacher
      October 25, 2015 at 3:51 pm

      Donna, you have voiced my sentiments exactly. We were blessed beyond measure to have someone of PBO’s character, intelligence, integrity and personal charisma run for and win the presidency. But Barack Obama is and always will be a unique figure in the life of our country. I have been voting since the sixties and have rarely, if ever, had a presidential candidate who touched my heart until 2008. If we, like Al Giordano, say we can’t win with this candidate or that candidate, then it’s us, not that candidate who’s at fault. We have to fight for what we believe in, even if the candidate is imperfect or doesn’t touch our heart. To walk away from that challenge is to accede to the end of our democracy and the hopes for our children. It is to say that we surrender to bigotry, hatred, misogyny, scientific ignorance, and contempt for the poor without a fight.

      What the last few years have shown is us is that our lives are literally at stake with each election. Because Democrats fell down on the job in 2010 and 2014, we are witnessing the worst Congress in our history–a collection of clowns and anarchists who have no respect for our country and no concern for its citizen. In the face of this insanity and in light of all that the presidency can achieve, we can’t for one minute consider that failure in 2016 is an option.

      • October 25, 2015 at 4:06 pm

        Ditto x many thousands. Some of you are expressing exactly what I believe/feel. Y’all say it perfectly so I can then agree with you. ☺️☺️

  39. October 25, 2015 at 3:13 pm
  40. October 25, 2015 at 3:14 pm
  41. October 25, 2015 at 3:18 pm



    Chinese Firm Plans $1.3 Billion Purchase Of Texas Oil Lands
    OCTOBER 25, 201512:12 PM ET

    A Chinese investment holding company intends to put down stakes in the United States after signing a letter of intent to purchase oil properties in western Texas for $1.3 billion through a limited liability partnership.

    The Shanghai-listed Yantai Xinchao Industry Co., said in a securities filing over the weekend, it was a purchasing oil lands in the Texas counties of Howard and Borden as part of the proposed acquisition of Ningbo Dingliang Huitong Equity Investment Center, according to the Associated Press.

    The news service also reports Yantai Xinchao said in its letter of intent, the transaction, worth 8.3 billion yuan, has been “approved by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States” which is part of the Treasury Department.

    The oil properties are being purchased from Tall City Exploration LLC and Plymouth Petroleum LLC, according to the Wall Street Journal.

    Neither Tall City Exploration or ArcLight Capital Partners LLC, the parent company of Plymouth Petroleum, returned requests for comment by the time of this posting. We will update if things change.

    The Wall Street Journal also reports Chinese energy companies have been longing to do business in the U.S. because of “stable laws governing oil exploration and production.” The publication adds:


  42. October 25, 2015 at 3:21 pm

  43. 90 jacquelineoboomer
    October 25, 2015 at 3:28 pm

    Good Sunday afternoon, TODville! Have to catch up with the rest of you, but found this article so interesting. My friend has a theory that the ancestors of some current Neanderthals (Republicans, Trump, Cheney) didn’t evolve like the rest of us, but hung around in certain areas, “better able to exploit the resources” (Republicans, Trump, Cheney, et al.). This piece speaks to that.

    Neanderthals ‘kept our early ancestors out of Europe’


    • 94 Don
      October 25, 2015 at 3:56 pm

      God knows what lurks just below the surface with this guy. I’ve heard that story before about him being violent in his youth.

      • October 25, 2015 at 4:37 pm

        he had serious behavioral issues as a teen that he was given the chance to ‘work through’ and ‘see the light’. People saw his ‘ promise’ and gave him chance upon chance.

        In today’s zero-tolerance society, he’d be firmly entrenched in the school-to-prison pipeline.

  44. 96 pkayden
    October 25, 2015 at 3:55 pm

    “I’ll never see another Barack Obama in my lifetime.”

    Thank you, LL for that well written post. I agree that there will never be another Barack Obama so I’ll vote for the best Democratic candidate, which happens to be Secretary Clinton this time around. I don’t particularly mind Senator Sanders but agree that he probably won’t win enough primaries. Anything but a Republican in the White House is my motto for November 2016.

  45. October 25, 2015 at 4:22 pm

    Put on Blast: Mom Reveals Son’s Adopted Immigrant Past After Reading His Racist Facebook Post By Shanieka Stanton | October 21, 2015

    Unfortunately, in today’s society racism is covert and can usually be found in the most surprising places. However, what if you are a parent that has raised your child to emulate the proper values, morals and beliefs that you felt were good, upstanding and sound. This is the dialogue that was created by the Banker (son) and finished superbly by his mother:

    The son posted, “This image here is the ultimate argument why immigrants do not (and never will) have the capacity to hold any decent position in our country.” ‘#Disgusting#Foreigners#’

    The son’s friend followed with, “UR right never will-and never should!!!! Good thing you don’t have any of these at our office”

    The son then says, “Well, there must be a reason why my bank has none of them in our senior management. I mean-would you trust an immigrant with your money?”

    One of his friends apparently enjoyed his statement, “(=))))))))))))))))))” as this was the reply.

    The son undoubtedly feeling very confident then writes, “Regardless of how many years/generations they live here next to us, they are just not capable to learn how civilized and intelligent as normal people be. It seems as if that some features will never leave their species.”

    Another admired comment as the friend replies, “hahahahahaha.”


    The Banker’s (son) mother steps in with the most meaningful comments: “My dearest, hate to break this racist orgy between you and your ‘ingenious’ friends. We’ve never meant to tell you this, and maybe I shouldn’t do it even now, but you have really crossed the line this time. So-you deserve this.”

    I just wanted to tell you that we (your dad and myself) have adopted you 23 years back (when you were 2) from an Armenian family who was at the time living in Sofia, Bulgaria.

    Still, nothing to be ashamed of. You still turned out to be a young successful banker with a great life. Guess those “dirty foreigners” with their “dirty genes” ARE capable of achieving something in their life after all.

    PS-We are still expecting you for lunch on Sunday. I am preparing Spaghetti Bolognese. Hope that’s not too “foreign” for you.”


  46. October 25, 2015 at 4:25 pm

    SATURDAY, OCT 24, 2015 08:29 AM CDT
    How superdonors are gutting America: Here’s the research that helps explain a political system’s rightward lurch
    There’s been some debate over the role of the largest donors on the political process. Research tells the tale

    How has the rise of big donors affected our policies? Conventional wisdom suggests that it’s pushing our politics to the right. However, in a recent post over at Vox, political scientist Seth Masket, whose work I deeply respect and have read for years, argues that “what’s not happening here is the superdonors skewing American politics rightward.”

    His argument is that so far in the 2016 election, superdonors have tended to be Republican simply because that’s where the interesting contest is — and not as an indication of any larger trend. Here, I have no qualms. However, he links to one of his older posts when he notes that “studies of the ideological leanings of superdonors suggest they come from all across the ideological spectrum.” In that older post, he argues that “the 30 wealthiest donors in the country are actually pretty moderate… Apart from some extremists like George Soros and the Koch brothers, most exist between the party medians.” He concludes that, “The super wealthy are certainly paying a lot of money into the political system these days, but it’s far from clear what they’re getting out of it.”

    There’s quite a bit to get into in these statements, but the core fault is to assume that 1) because big donors appear to vary across the ideological spectrum, their net effect on policy is a wash, and 2) because big donors appear moderate and policy has become increasingly extreme, big donors aren’t influencing policy.


  47. October 25, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    SUNDAY, OCT 25, 2015 04:59 AM CDT
    They really want a theocracy: The GOP candidates who want to make you bow to their lord
    GOP wants Christianity as our official religion. Middle East’s on fire. Theocrats are marching and must be stopped


    A new PPP survey reveals that Republicans are afflicted most, with 44 percent now favoring installing Christianity as the United States’ official religion. (Lest we forget, the GOP’s roster of potential 2016 candidates is stocked with rabid believers, and even faith-faker Donald Trump is courting evangelicals.) A shocking 28 percent of Democrats are also theocratically inclined. Only 53 percent of Republican and Democratic voters combined oppose declaring Jesus jabberwocky our national faith.

    The upshot: almost three out of four adult Americans would, in effect, junk the First Amendment, and with it, our gloriously godless system of governance.

    These statistics should prompt all rationalists to sound the proverbial tocsin with unrelenting fury. The religious-secular divide among Americans is deepening, putting those who value reason, evidence and consensus-based decisions in direct opposition to putrid supernatural gobbledygook’s slackwitted votaries; in other words, to those who hear voices, see visions, and engage in kooky superstitious rituals – prayer, for instance – that would lead to their immediate institutionalization if such symptoms were not classified under the (scandalously) ennobling rubric of “religion.”



  48. 100 yardarm756
    October 25, 2015 at 4:33 pm

    GA mates…..a little something for entertainment. 😉

  49. 102 GGail
    October 25, 2015 at 4:45 pm

    At this early stage in the election process, I have a concern that those who have already decided that HRC is “the one” will have a hard time truly *seeing* anyone else who might be proven to be better suited to be our next President. I don’t count MO’M out yet. I want to see how this process plays out over 2016.

  50. 103 Cha
    October 25, 2015 at 7:45 pm

    Thank you so much, Liberal Librarian~ I know a lot of TODs don’t like Hillary and I can understand that. I was one of her biggest detractors in 2008. The BS fans constantly remind me of that on DU.

    But, when President Obama chose her to be his SOS and they came together for the greater good of our Country, I started liking her.. and rooted for her and the President.

    She’s evolved a lot since then.. I think she’s worked hard for where she is.. she does not give up. Just like President Obama.

  51. 104 nathkatun7
    October 25, 2015 at 11:02 pm

    Thank you LL for another of your excellent posts. While I respect the TOD members who are supporting HRC and Bernie Sanders, my preference is Gov. Martin O’Mally. Like Hopefruit2, I don’t like coronations! And, as Bpbfr has been reminding us, we are still 13 months away from the General Elrction. If, in October 2007, the more than 69 million of us who voted for president Obama in November 2008, had listened to “conventional wisdom,” we would have ended up with either a president Clinton or president McCain.
    If the majority of Democrats in primaries and caucuses vote for Hillary Clinton to be the nominee of our party I will, naturally, vote for her in the General Election.

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