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Two Words

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Fuck you.

Those are my two words.

Fuck you to gun fetishists who think that their “right” to own an arsenal trump my right to make it through the day without being shot dead.

Fuck you to Second Amendment absolutists who claim that any common sense restrictions on guns are a blow to liberty.

Fuck you to those who reread that same Second Amendment. Want to read it? Here it is.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The “right to bear arms”, in the plain meaning of the text, is a corollary to the necessity of a militia. The last time I checked, people aren’t exactly being called up to join volunteer brigades.

Fuck you, also, to those who completely misread that Second Amendment and say that guns are necessary to fight tyranny. I had a “friend” once who made that argument. We are no longer friends. Yes, big bad man, you think you’re going to go up against the world’s strongest military. You think tyranny is just around the corner. What you’re doing is enabling tens of thousands of deaths across the country, senseless, lives snuffed out for no reason than your own paranoid fantasies.

Fuck you, of course, to the NRA. This is what one former NRA head had to say about gun control:

In 1929, Al Capone’s St. Valentine’s Day massacre saw men disguised as Chicago police kill 7 rivals with machine guns. Bonnie and Clyde’s crime-and-gun spree from 1932-34 was a national sensation. John Dellinger robbed 10 banks in 1933 and fired a machine gun as he sped away. A new president in 1933, Franklin D. Roosevelt, made fighting crime and gun control part of his ‘New Deal.’ The NRA helped him draft the first federal gun controls: 1934’s National Firearms Act and 1938’s Gun Control Act.

The NRA President at the time, Karl T. Frederick, a 1920 Olympic gold-medal winner for marksmanship who became a lawyer, praised the new state gun controls in Congress. “I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons,” he testified before the 1938 law was passed. “I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.”

Now, of course, the solution is to have everyone packing heat. Good guys with guns, and such. The NRA is nothing more than a bought-and-paid-for subsidiary of the gun manufacturers, whose businesses would be affected by even modest gun control measures, never mind the sort of measures which obtain in places like the UK and Australia.

Fuck you to the apathetic electorate, which, if surveys are correct, overwhelmingly supports gun control laws, but either keeps voting the same cretins in, or doesn’t bother to show up to vote.

And, don’t forget, fuck you to our feckless “pro-life” politicians who rail against Planned Parenthood but don’t get too worked up when actual life is taken in the form of shooting sprees. Wouldn’t go quite well with the base if they seemed at all reasonable.

The frontier is closed. The Wild West is no more. If the black helicopters were coming, your AR-15 couldn’t do squat about it. So fuck you. Fuck you to everyone whose first instinct at the news of another gun horror is to rush to defend guns, or to call it “isolated”, or, worse, to say it’s a “false flag” or a hoax. Because of you more and more people have as one of their thoughts: “Will I make it home without getting shot”.

I’ll probably write the same thing again. Moloch must be appeased.


121 Responses to “Two Words”


  1. 1 Allison
    October 2, 2015 at 11:28 am

    Good Morning!

    • 2 Judith Fardig
      October 2, 2015 at 12:32 pm

      Congratulations to Allison and to LL for this righteous rant! Going to a vigil in Oregon tonight and then meeting with my OFA team which partners with Moms Demand and others in an alliance for gun sense on concrete action to take. We must send up a mighty roar to our elected officials that legislation is critical to reduce this scourge.

  2. October 2, 2015 at 11:29 am

    Switzerland.

    Enuf said.

    • October 2, 2015 at 11:39 am

      I keep seeing people cite Switzerland, but while their problems might be nothing like America’s (whose are?), sounds like their gun culture isn’t exactly trouble-free:

      But the Swiss — like Americans — are grappling with the question of gun control these days after shooting attacks like one on Feb. 27 that killed four people in a factory outside Lucerne.

      Firearm deaths in Switzerland take place at just one-seventh the rate that they occur in the United States. But researchers say guns are often used in suicides and crimes of passion in Switzerland.

      …. Strengthened by local shooting attacks and Swiss research on violence, a growing anti-gun movement in Switzerland is also pushing for increased gun control.

      …. The study reviewed 158 Swiss murders and suicides that took place between 1991 and 2008. It found 90 percent of the cases involved firearms.

      http://www.npr.org/2013/03/19/174758723/facing-switzerland-gun-culture

  3. October 2, 2015 at 11:30 am

    + 1,000,000,000 – **** them all, LL – especially:

    “Fuck you to the apathetic electorate, which, if surveys are correct, overwhelmingly supports gun control laws, but either keeps voting the same cretins in, or doesn’t bother to show up to vote.”

    Thanks a million LL.

    • October 2, 2015 at 11:34 am

      Amennnnnnnnn…Amennnnnnn

    • 11 jackiegrumbacher
      October 2, 2015 at 2:02 pm

      Agree with all the FU’s, Chips, and LL. I think it will be a mystery to future historians that people in a so-called democracy could never get what they wanted, no matter how great their numbers. In the last election there was an overwhelmingly greater number of votes cast for Democratic members of congress and we have an R-led institution that is committed to anarchy, rather than governing. We have overwhelming support for sensible gun legislation and no legislation ever gets passed. We have overwhelming support for infrastructure funding, raising the minimum wage and sensible immigration reform that creates a path to citizenship. But nothing the majority wants EVER gets done. So in what way does this even resemble a democracy?

    • 12 0388jojothecat
      October 2, 2015 at 3:09 pm

      This is an excellent thread LL…and I would add one more FU to Bernie Sanders who in 2005, voted for the law that made it illegal to sue the gun manufacturers….If B.S. is against common sense gun regulations which he is…He will never get my vote.

      • 13 0388jojothecat
        October 2, 2015 at 3:37 pm

        I see the Orange Satan site has nothing on B.S. record on gun regulation. They are so B.S. purists it aint funny.

  4. 14 amk for obama
    October 2, 2015 at 11:31 am

    • 15 jackiegrumbacher
      October 2, 2015 at 2:03 pm

      It’s the kids, the abusive spouse and the little imaginary demons that live in the paranoid heads of millions of voters.

  5. October 2, 2015 at 11:31 am

    • October 2, 2015 at 11:35 am

      A PRESSER! Let’s watch shoot down the idiot press on everything from gun violence to Syria to everything else these jokers deem important grist for the mill.

      • 18 Vicki
        October 2, 2015 at 12:21 pm

        A Press conference is great.

        Not as good as the news that Arne Duncan is going. As far as I know he supported Charter Schools and had no teaching experience himself.

        Charter schools are to education as Private Prisons are to reform and rehabilitaton.

        Private profitmaking enterprises which drain the public coffers and funnel money into private pockets.
        Harvesting the poor and benefiting the wealthy.

  6. 21 amk for obama
    October 2, 2015 at 11:33 am

  7. 22 amk for obama
    October 2, 2015 at 11:33 am

  8. 24 Nena20409
    October 2, 2015 at 11:41 am

    LL, your words ring true to me. Thank you.
    Doc Bobfr said eloquently on a couple of his tweets……..We The People need to demand for Gun Owners to get Insurance.
    I will add for the Bullets to be highly taxed as advocated by Chris Rock.
    Bravo, LL!
    Thank you.
    Congrats Allison on your Gold ⭐

    • 25 catrst
      October 2, 2015 at 12:15 pm

      I was thinking about the battle to hold people responsible for drunk driving. When I was in my twenties no one worried about the carnage and went on their merry way drinking and getting behind the wheel even though other countries had shown that with strict and significant consequences drunk driving was avoided by most people. In Europe getting a designated driver before an outing that might involve any alcohol was the rule and not the exception among young people. A license was expensive to obtain and it was a nightmare should one lose it for a DWI.

      I think something like what finally evolved here would be good for everyone. Now people are very worried about a DUI. Its a serious matter and something we work hard to avoid. Perhaps gun violence, accidental or otherwise that is related to a gun owner, a gun seller should have enormous consequences in terms of being able to keep a weapon or purchase one. Everyone that owns one should be insured and it should be expensive to reflect the risk. If one loses that coverage because of claims then it should be impossible to own one. No one drives without insurance, no one owns a gun without insurance.

      Patterns of multiple gun ownership should be followed just like tips on domestic or foreign terrorism. These caches of weapons should make everyone’s hair stand on end. States that keep lax laws and those guns find themselves in the hands of those committing violence in another state, the gun ownership or transfer should become a federal crime just as when a criminal crosses state lines for other issues.

      Every gun owner should be registered and a background check required. I have to have a thorough background check to work in the rehab field. Many others do too just to be hired. We don’t balk at that. Maybe there should be follow up background checks every certain amount of time to check on gun transfers, etc. We all have to go in periodically and show we know still know how to drive safely, have paid our fees, have insurance, etc. If we move we must get a new license. This could be the same with guns.

      Cars, jobs, and DUI prevention seem like the best analogies. Perhaps medical or high risk flood insurance would be helpful as a comparable way to deal with risk.

      • 26 jackiegrumbacher
        October 2, 2015 at 2:07 pm

        You are spot on, catrst, DUI became an issue because severe consequences were attached to it. We need at least as strict a procedure to own and operate a gun as we do a car.

  9. 27 MightyPamela
    October 2, 2015 at 11:41 am

    ^5 to LL, it has to be said loud and clear, and PBO cannot use those words, in public. ❤ Mornin' y'all.

  10. 28 Nena20409
    October 2, 2015 at 11:42 am

    Bringing this from the last post.

  11. October 2, 2015 at 11:45 am

  12. 30 Don
    October 2, 2015 at 11:47 am

    Part of my employment is that once a year I am required to shoot a handgun, a shotgun, and an automatic rifle. Those days that I have to go to the gun range I dread, I am far from a pacifist. I hate guns; I don’t even own a gun, my wife and I would never even allow a gun to be brought into our home. The one thing that I will never understand is the fascination with guns. Some people get off on guns, I just don’t understand that.

  13. 31 keltuc
    October 2, 2015 at 11:53 am

    I’ve not commented here in ages, but I do visit regularly and attempt to keep up. But truthfully, the routinely horrific news coming out of the US is seriously too emotionally draining to keep exposing myself to for any length of time. Canadian politics has also taken a massive turn for the worse, most especially in the past year, and we have Tea Party types coming out of the woodwork everywhere, which makes this Canadian want to puke. One point – I am thankfully EVERY day that Pres Obama is still your president. And I SO wish that he could stay as such forever. But that’s a bit selfish of me, and I really shouldn’t wish that kind of future on the man and his family. I also SO wish that VP Joe Biden would run for president, but I do also understand that he and his family are still hurting terribly, and so I will understand if he doesn’t, but I will also selfishly be massively disappointed as well.

    Anyway, LL, your post is perfect. I’m afraid I’m no longer capable of having any calm, rational discussions about US politics, media or their ubiquitous guns without dropping thousands of f-bombs, because all of it angers me THAT much. So your post is kind of cathartic for me.

  14. 35 4morefor44
    October 2, 2015 at 11:56 am

    good one, LL. the ammosexual arguments around the 2nd amendment are always so nonsensical. the constitution itself (section 1, article 8) says that the “militias” are to be controlled by a democratically elected congress, both at the federal level and state levels, so clearly what we now call the national guard. the constitution also says these militias are specially supposed to stop “insurrections.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Section_8:_Powers_of_Congress
    To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

    so when they say we should be able to have guns to stand up to tyranny or government oppression (i.e. insurrection against a democratically government), they by definition are making an unconstitutional argument. but as we all know too well, no amount of logic or proof can overcome the republican/libertarian psychosis.

    • 36 57andfemale
      October 2, 2015 at 1:27 pm

      Historian after historian has made the point that no government is formed with a provision to invite insurrection. It’s totally nonsensical.

  15. 37 amk for obama
    October 2, 2015 at 11:58 am

  16. 38 amk for obama
    October 2, 2015 at 12:01 pm

    Hamburg has become the first German city to pass a law allowing the seizure of empty commercial properties in order to house migrants.

    The massive influx of migrants has put pressure on city authorities to find accommodation. Some migrants are sleeping rough outdoors.

    Hamburg’s law takes effect next week.

    In a new survey, by broadcaster ARD, 51% of people said the influx scared them. It suggests a four-year low in Chancellor Angela Merkel’s popularity.

    She has said Germany can accommodate migrants who have genuinely fled war or persecution – a humanitarian gesture towards the many thousands risking their lives to reach Europe this year.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34422558

    so where does putin stand on this refugee crisis?

  17. October 2, 2015 at 12:04 pm

    For all the morons who think President Obama has done nothing on common sense gun reform:

  18. October 2, 2015 at 12:05 pm

    Morning, all. Thanks for posting, Chips. I wrote it in a white hot anger yesterday.

  19. October 2, 2015 at 12:13 pm

  20. 48 Nena20409
    October 2, 2015 at 12:17 pm

  21. 50 MaewholoveourCIC
    October 2, 2015 at 12:40 pm

    Hi TOD family
    I need help immediately. Real clear politics polling is right leaning, would I be correct in saying as a general rule it is not a very good reliable poll to address any subject matter pertaining to the job performance of President Obama. What is a more accurate poll?

    • October 2, 2015 at 2:06 pm

      Real Clear Politics does skew right.

      To be honest, there are so many rotten polls out there and they’re being driven by MSM and $$$. I take each poll I’m interested in and dive into the details. What does their sample size look like (distribution of demographics, party ID, landline/cell, age, etc.)? What’s the margin of error? What I find a lot of the time is that polls tend to under sample Dems and over sample Independents, who tend to skew to the right. So I would just suggest that you do what you can to examine the methodology. If there’s no link to this, then I usually just dismiss it.

      • 52 Jeff
        October 2, 2015 at 3:06 pm

        most independents are just republicans and claiming independent status because they are frustrated with the republican party.

  22. 53 Nena20409
    October 2, 2015 at 12:40 pm

  23. October 2, 2015 at 12:51 pm

    Welp.

  24. 59 rikyrah
    October 2, 2015 at 1:05 pm

    tell it, LL!

    tell it.

    Amen.

  25. 60 MightyPamela
    October 2, 2015 at 1:07 pm

    This was once just called “murder”. Changing the vocabulary doesn’t change the facts.

  26. 61 amk for obama
    October 2, 2015 at 1:14 pm

    one of the most hare brained schemes that only the rw’ers and gun nutz could come up with.

  27. 62 Nerdy Wonka
    October 2, 2015 at 1:25 pm

  28. 63 No Child Left Behind
    October 2, 2015 at 1:37 pm

    Good Afternoon TODVille.

  29. 66 Allison
    October 2, 2015 at 1:46 pm

  30. 67 Jewelz
    October 2, 2015 at 1:57 pm

    I have a question that I need to ask Bernie Sanders supporters. How do they expect to get the Obama supporters to vote for their candidate if they continue to diminish and denigrate the President’s accomplishments? I mean, the constant vitriol directed at PBO by some of Sanders supporters is making me sick to my stomach. Do they understand that they’re not running against President Obama? Have they forgotten that they would need the Obama coalition in other for their candidate to even have a chance against the republican nominee in November 2016?

    • October 2, 2015 at 2:05 pm

      i suspect they believe that they do not need the Obama Coalition…i believe that they are running against the President’s accomplishments..because according to Sanders and his supporters…they were not all that …and Sanders would have done something different that would have been more effective….ummm hmmm

      the DNC…in 2012 did not learn from 2010….in 2016 they are on track to repeat the same mistakes of both 2010 and 2014….NUFF Said

      • 69 Jewelz
        October 2, 2015 at 2:28 pm

        I’m sure you’re right prettyfoot58. It’s such an obvious losing strategy, and yet, democratic candidates keep repeating the same mistakes. The eventual nominee will have a difficult time if they decline to publicly embrace PBO or his policies.

    • 70 Don
      October 2, 2015 at 2:05 pm

      Jewelz, I agree with everything you wrote. Sanders has been in office since Moses was in short pants and he hasn’t done a single solitary thing of substance. But all of a sudden he’s got all the answers.

      • 71 jackiegrumbacher
        October 2, 2015 at 2:13 pm

        Don, the image of Moses in short pants will be with me all day. Thank you for that.

        • 72 No Child Left Behind
          October 2, 2015 at 2:27 pm

          With me as well!

          Well said, Don. But I must confess that I never thought Moses wearing short pants before. Now I will.

      • 73 57andfemale
        October 2, 2015 at 2:47 pm

        Here’s a Sanders answer: spend two twillion dollars on infrastructure. Well, I agree. How ya gonna do that? What Congress do you think you’ll have?

        Oh, wait – he’s from the if-you-scream-loud-enough-everyone-caves- school.

        And he calls PBO naive?!?!?!

        What has he ever done to strengthen Congress or the Democratic party? Nothing.

        • 74 57andfemale
          October 2, 2015 at 2:49 pm

          Oh, dear, I’m tired: “Trillion”. God.

          Nasty fight with Mr. 57 last night and I haven’t been to sleep. And he won’t accept my apology, much less give me an apology, too!

    • 76 donna dem 4 obama
      October 2, 2015 at 2:17 pm

      GA Jewlez,

      This is the thing…they think that Dems will vote regardless of their insults to our President and those of us who are faithful voters will indeed vote in November 2016. The problem with this is that they miss the point. The point is that President Obama did something with the voting electorate that few people talk about. He increased the voter rolls in almost every state. More of his voters (especially AA women) registered and came out and voted for him in 2008 and 2012 in record numbers. The actual raw number of AA’s that voted in 2012 increased as well. You see they can count on 90-94 percent of the AA vote at every general election but if you want to win you have to increase the actual raw number of voters. This is why the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act. They looked at the increase in minorities voting in 2008 and decided that they could cut back on some of the laws mandating voting rights in some of those states in the south.

      They don’t understand that its not enough to just get a 90+ percent vote from the AA community you also must engage them to turnout more and more of them. This is what will be missing should Sanders win the nomination. They see all those White liberals/libertarians showing up at his rallies and think that this is what it will take to win the White House. It will help but unless minorities turnout in record numbers as well he is doomed to failure. Either they are afraid to tell him and his supporters to cut the crap or they just don’t care.

      • 77 Jewelz
        October 2, 2015 at 2:46 pm

        I agree with everything you wrote donnadem. I’m afraid of what they’d do if Bernie turns out to be another Ron Paul. Great at fund-raising, but lacking the organization skills and political acumen to translate all of that enthusiasm into meaningful votes. It’s all about the delegates. So what if Bernie is leading in Iowa and NH? What about his abysmal poll numbers in the rest of the 48 States?

    • 78 jackiegrumbacher
      October 2, 2015 at 2:17 pm

      Jewelz–it’s all magical thinking re Sanders. Those who support him will not do the grinding, tedious work it takes to win primaries across the country. They think their “enthusiasm” is enough to cross any barrier and carry Sanders into the White House on a golden chair. I am making the prediction that Sanders will be a nonentity by next Spring at the latest. Then we will see a lot of pouting and noses out of joint about the blindness of the electorate to the Sanders glory.

  31. October 2, 2015 at 1:59 pm

    Well look at David Frum

  32. October 2, 2015 at 2:11 pm

  33. October 2, 2015 at 2:13 pm

    As these folks jockey for position and power…i am reminded that the Speaker of the House in 3rd in line to be President….big sigh

    • 84 donna dem 4 obama
      October 2, 2015 at 2:22 pm

      I hope bunches of them run for Speaker and it takes 19 votes before they come up with a winner. This way our lazy, sloppy, corporate-owned media will be forced to show this country what a nuthouse the Republican House of Representatives really are.

    • October 2, 2015 at 2:22 pm

      I knew when this guy was just a freshman rep he was in it for the power and “glory.”

    • 86 Nena20409
      October 2, 2015 at 2:33 pm

      Perhaps if he wins, he can STOP sleeping in his Office…….fleecing the Tax-payers……The Speaker-ship job is $225K annually.
      Kevin McCarthy told the Truth.
      Now 6 days from today, he might Not make to the SpeakerShip 😉
      Karma has a way of Balancing Justice 🙂

    • 87 mittromesia
      October 2, 2015 at 3:25 pm

      Shh, he’s second in line of secession vice president is first. President isn’t in line. 🙂

  34. 89 MightyPamela
    October 2, 2015 at 2:22 pm

    So O/T, but pain relief doctor gave me this link yesterday, I have to share it with all o’ y’all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fWAdxnDh84

  35. 90 No Child Left Behind
    October 2, 2015 at 2:25 pm

    Family members told investigators that the Oregon gunman had sought mental health treatment, two officials say.

    Investigators have recovered writings believed to be his that include ramblings about his racial animus toward African-Americans and general feelings of anger about being isolated and unable to make relationships, law enforcement officials briefed on the investigation tell CNN.

    Six weapons were recovered at Umpqua Community College after Thursday’s shooting, and seven more were found at the shooter’s home, according to the ATF. A flak jacket with steel plates and five magazines were also found at the school.

    Oregon Gov. Kate Brown is expected to speak soon about the shooting. Watch her live on CNNgo, and get complete coverage of breaking news on CNN TV, CNN.com and CNN Mobile

  36. October 2, 2015 at 2:30 pm

  37. 95 Nena20409
    October 2, 2015 at 2:35 pm

  38. 96 Nena20409
    October 2, 2015 at 2:37 pm

    He was enlisted to the Military in 2006. He failed to even complete 30 days and he was sent home.
    Yet he was able to purchase 13 GUNS?

    • 97 4morefor44
      October 2, 2015 at 2:54 pm

      this psycho sheriff is a piece of work:
      ““Again, you will not hear anyone from this law enforcement operation use his name,” Hanlin said, referring to Mercer. “I continue to believe those media and community members that publicize his name will only glorify his horrific actions and eventually this will only serve to inspire future shooters.””

      this “conservative” guy is a disgrace to law enforcement.

  39. October 2, 2015 at 2:44 pm

    13 dam guns. Thank you Congress and NRA.

  40. October 2, 2015 at 2:47 pm

    After the impassioned and unvarnished words of our president, no American so outraged by gun violence can argue again that they haven’t been told.

  41. 100 Nena20409
    October 2, 2015 at 3:05 pm

  42. 102 57andfemale
    October 2, 2015 at 3:07 pm

  43. 103 Nena20409
    October 2, 2015 at 3:09 pm

    President Obama’s Presser
    Time: 3:30 PM EDT

  44. October 2, 2015 at 3:10 pm

  45. October 2, 2015 at 3:13 pm

  46. 106 jacquelineoboomer
    October 2, 2015 at 3:17 pm

    Can’t wait to see and hear President Obama, voice of reason and sanity in a troubled universe!

    And hello there, TODville!

  47. October 2, 2015 at 3:19 pm

    Should the President make another announcement

  48. 109 overseasgranny
    October 2, 2015 at 3:33 pm

    You write well in white, hot anger.
    Ireland outlaws all guns except hunting rifles. Period.

  49. 110 sherijr
    October 2, 2015 at 3:52 pm

    wow Arne Duncan has me crying ~

  50. 113 andogriff
    October 2, 2015 at 4:26 pm

    This is EXACTLY how I feel, LL. Thanks for yet another excellent piece that speaks for so many of us!

  51. October 2, 2015 at 6:30 pm

    I LOVE YOU LL!!!!!


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