President Barack Obama greets the family of Make-A-Wish child Francisco “Paqui” Lopez Pena, outside the Oval Office, Aug. 6, 2012. Photo by Pete Souza
President Barack Obama greets participants during a meeting on the future of disability policy in the Roosevelt Room of the White House, Aug. 6, 2012. Photo by Pete Souza
yes, we are. Foxfire, Bob, VC and I have commented extensively with names and numbers on the previous thread.
At this moment PBO’s veto is very very likely to stand.
Our current goal is to get to 41 Senate votes in favor of the Deal which will block the GOP negative resolution from even getting a vote.
I just got done writing to both of my senators…Senator Flake was undecided per the list on the last thread…Grandpa McCain loves any smell of potential war…I wrote to him too, but…I expect nothing from him. Senator Flake is a different animal..he may come around.
Lot’s of FB friends watched the Kiddie Table Happy Hour Comedy Show with the Tier Two candidates. Just to give you a flavor of the overwhelming opinion that I’m consistently seeing here in one person’s commentary:
“Dear God give me grace. I am watching the ‘little boys” debate on (vomit Faux news) and I have never heard so much lying bullshit in my life. If this is a preview of tonight’s circus I am out. How are there so damned many complete IDIOTS in the United States of America????”
The “little boys” at the kiddie table also included Carly Fiorina or Figarillo or Purina whatever her name is … damn … how could anybody have worked for her in Corporate America and not gagged????????????
I wish we had a better media. Well, I think we all do. But there are so many obvious questions that should be asked of the critics of the deal that would show that they really do want war, even though many of them say no.
Here are some of the objections:
We could have gotten a better deal. Okay, question number one, what would a better deal have involved and how would you have gotten Iran to agree?
Well, we could have gotten them to recognize Israel’s right to exit. Two questions: What has that got to do with their giving up any nuclear weapon ability? How would you have convinced them to agree with that?
We should have had them give up all nuclear ambitions including any reactors for energy. So, you are saying they don’t have the right to provide energy for their people in the most economical way possible?
We can’t trust them. (this is where the media always falls down). Let’s say they had agreed to everything you already mentioned, how would you trust them to follow through?
The answer to the last is that they can’t ever be trusted. So of course, if they can never be trusted, there is only one solution and that is war.
So don’t believe McConnell or any other Republicans who say there are other alternatives than war, because that is all they have.
Oh, and why does the media never ask or even really point out that even if the US backs out on the deal, it still goes through and the US will never be trusted in any negotiations in the future and will lose significant support among our allies?
But – the real killer is – “Oh, and why does the media never ask or even really point out that even if the US backs out on the deal, it still goes through and the US will never be trusted in any negotiations in the future and will lose significant support among our allies?”
Fact is, the US cannot back out of the UN Security Council vote and the GOP knows it. Not only that, but any President following PBO would have to go to the UNSC and request the standing resolution be revoked. Fat chance of any of the other permanent members voting for such a motion, and it would be highly likely that China and Russia would VETO it (some likelihood so would France).
For now, it’s highly unlikely the GOP can sustain a Presidential veto if the legislation can get a vote in the Senate and then a vote in the House. A motion to overturn PBO’s veto would happen first in the House and I’m confident Leader Pelosi can quash it. If that happens, it’s dead.
What I want everyone to do is demand that Senator Reid whip sufficient votes, i.e., 41 out of 44 D + 2 I, to block cloture in the Senate. That’ll kill it before the House can vote on actual legislation. They can pass all the resolutions they want but they are immaterial in terms of President Obama’s authority.
prettyfoot58,Once again proof that the Republicans don’t give a dam about poor folks after they are out of their mother’s womb. Once those babies are born, they have to be taken care of Republicans.
“A top German official warned Thursday of a “nightmare” and a “catastrophe” if Congress derails the Iran nuclear deal, and cited Germany’s unique relationship with Israel as a reason why it would not accept an agreement which endangers that country.
“The option of getting back to the negotiating table is close to zero” if Congress votes down the nuclear deal, said Philipp Ackermann, Berlin’s second-ranking diplomat in Washington. Ackermann argued that rejection of the deal struck by seven countries will empower hard-liners in Tehran who insist the U.S. cannot be trusted. “These people will say it’s useless to negotiate” with the outside world, he said.
That would undermine international negotiations in general, he added, undermining the credibility of future agreements struck by diplomats. “It would be a nightmare… a catastrophe.””
Bobfr, Fiorina comes across as a petty angry woman. I will never forget how she criticized Sen. Boxer’s hair. How can there be any winners at this sham debate for losers? 🙂
Bernie Sanders is hardly the first person to make this argument. But he’s the one that is running for president and should know better. So let’s take a look at what he said and break it down.
“I think the evidence is overwhelming that the Republicans, the John Boehners, Mitch McConnells and others had zero intention of negotiating with the President on any serious compromising. Their function and their goal was to obstruct, obstruct, obstruct, and to quite frankly it took the President too many years to figure that out and I think in the last couple years he has been a stronger President and a better President because he understands there is nothing to negotiate with these guys.”
First of all, there’s one thing he got right…that the Republican plan has been to obstruct anything President Obama tried to do. But does he really think he’s so much smarter than the President – assuming he knew that and Obama didn’t? This is one of those ways that liberals undermine the President, by subtly insinuating that he was naive about Republican intentions.
So let’s take a look at the record. During his first couple of months in office, it was imperative that Congress pass a stimulus bill. President Obama needed all Democrats on board plus at least a couple of Republicans. So he negotiated with a few to get that done. Would Sanders have counseled him to avoid doing that and get no stimulus?
………………………………… //
I'll simply leave [this] there as a reminder that sometimes it is members of your own party that demand compromises. http://t.co/dFku4Jnapf
Good points VC. Sanders is disingenuously pandering to the emo-gressive crowd with these false arguments about PBO’s so-called naivete about the GOP’s intentions.
As someone who has sat in the Senate for DECADES and hasn’t managed to get a single progressive bill passed, Sanders should know damn well that it takes more than “tough talk” and hard lines to get congress to cooperate on anything. That’s why Sanders will never be more than the Senator from Vermont…he couldn’t even be the Senator from New Jersey or CT…states that voted for Obama TWICE. The only reason he’s “running” for President now is because PBO isn’t running and PBO won’t open a can of whoop-ass on his tail during the debates on national teevee for making these ridiculous comments.
HF, Old Bernie is really feeling himself. I saw him brag that he probably would get crowds of 10k at each of hos scheduled venues this weekend in California and Oregon.
He seems to be on a silent and not-so-silent competition, not with his would-be GOP or DEM primary opponents, but with PBO. I can’t fathom this…I just can’t.
Oh..and Phuck his “crowds.” They’re borne out of ZERO substance…and will fizzle out along with his candidacy for President. Reminds me of the OWS “movement” in 2011…where are they now?!?!?
Hopef, Sanders no doubt knows that it takes more than ‘tough talk’. I suspect he’s banking on the fact many members of his ‘crowd’ won’t know that. Remember, those who kept mouthing that PBO should harness the bully pulpit, show his strength, yada, yada are likely those swarming to ride the waves of Sanders’ “tough talk” now. Hope they enjoy the ride while it lasts!
Presented without comment, from a poster at PolitucsUSA:
The DNC is only trying to protect Hillary because they know Bernie Sanders will mop the floor with her and destroy her in the primaries. Debbie Wasser4man Schultz should step aside as DNC chair. I would rather see Howard Dean, or Dennis Kucinich as DNC chair.
Time to send Charles an email, tell him to move to live with his friend Bibi, and should take Carly with him since they seem to want to consult Bibi first and foremost.
“The crowd goes wild at the sight of 10 middle-aged, white men wearing suits, distinguished by a diversity of haircuts. There’s a bald spot, curls, a few glossy sheens and shades of grey, and then whatever it is on Trump’s head.”
Every comment needs fact checking dudette – I’m not watching but wandering around the bloggs – what the audience is cheering is heartbreaking – the lies the clowns are saying are scarey.
Hey I am taking my visitors to the hot springs one of them said jeez they are all comedians..i’ll read the opinions here when I get back they are just a bunch of ‘papishows’
If I was a Republican I would be so embarrass, I would have to ask myself what has become of the Republicans, why have we sink so low. How can anyone be proud of what is standing on that stage tonight ? P-I-T-I-F-U-L!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Obama Diary 
OK.
Oops, someone left the door open and I got in.
Good Afternoon TODVille!
Congrats on furst nclb 🙂
Where’s everyone?
Missed it!….congrats NCLB.
Hey Nerdy…..just wanted to say ‘big up’!, on all the wonderful things you’re doing here. It’s most definitely appreciated.
Thank you so much, Uche.
The kind feedback is very much appreciated. 🙂
I see Sen Shaheen is a yes for #IranDeal. Anyone doing the whip count?
yes, we are. Foxfire, Bob, VC and I have commented extensively with names and numbers on the previous thread.
At this moment PBO’s veto is very very likely to stand.
Our current goal is to get to 41 Senate votes in favor of the Deal which will block the GOP negative resolution from even getting a vote.
I just got done writing to both of my senators…Senator Flake was undecided per the list on the last thread…Grandpa McCain loves any smell of potential war…I wrote to him too, but…I expect nothing from him. Senator Flake is a different animal..he may come around.
Flake was undecided? Actually I see that as a positive.
Yup, there may be some hope for him yet:-)
I did too:)
I read somewhere that Pres Obama is courting his vote fiercely…..there’s a chance he may be a YES.
hello Vickie
has Sens Warren and Sanders commented on the Iran Nuclear deal…what will their votes be
Both will vote with PBO on it.
Good!…thanks
I am happy we will have their votes. I’d also like to hear them speak in favor of the deal to help Our President.
Lot’s of FB friends watched the Kiddie Table Happy Hour Comedy Show with the Tier Two candidates. Just to give you a flavor of the overwhelming opinion that I’m consistently seeing here in one person’s commentary:
“Dear God give me grace. I am watching the ‘little boys” debate on (vomit Faux news) and I have never heard so much lying bullshit in my life. If this is a preview of tonight’s circus I am out. How are there so damned many complete IDIOTS in the United States of America????”
Tonight should be interesting!!!
Donna, these losers have made mockery and disgrace out of running for leader of the free world. I totally agree with this person.
I watched too. Too many lies and misinterpretations for me. I may bow out of round 2 as I cannot stand the lack of facts.
The “little boys” at the kiddie table also included Carly Fiorina or Figarillo or Purina whatever her name is … damn … how could anybody have worked for her in Corporate America and not gagged????????????
I wish we had a better media. Well, I think we all do. But there are so many obvious questions that should be asked of the critics of the deal that would show that they really do want war, even though many of them say no.
Here are some of the objections:
We could have gotten a better deal. Okay, question number one, what would a better deal have involved and how would you have gotten Iran to agree?
Well, we could have gotten them to recognize Israel’s right to exit. Two questions: What has that got to do with their giving up any nuclear weapon ability? How would you have convinced them to agree with that?
We should have had them give up all nuclear ambitions including any reactors for energy. So, you are saying they don’t have the right to provide energy for their people in the most economical way possible?
We can’t trust them. (this is where the media always falls down). Let’s say they had agreed to everything you already mentioned, how would you trust them to follow through?
The answer to the last is that they can’t ever be trusted. So of course, if they can never be trusted, there is only one solution and that is war.
So don’t believe McConnell or any other Republicans who say there are other alternatives than war, because that is all they have.
Oh, and why does the media never ask or even really point out that even if the US backs out on the deal, it still goes through and the US will never be trusted in any negotiations in the future and will lose significant support among our allies?
End rant.
All solid observations, John, as usual.
But – the real killer is – “Oh, and why does the media never ask or even really point out that even if the US backs out on the deal, it still goes through and the US will never be trusted in any negotiations in the future and will lose significant support among our allies?”
Fact is, the US cannot back out of the UN Security Council vote and the GOP knows it. Not only that, but any President following PBO would have to go to the UNSC and request the standing resolution be revoked. Fat chance of any of the other permanent members voting for such a motion, and it would be highly likely that China and Russia would VETO it (some likelihood so would France).
For now, it’s highly unlikely the GOP can sustain a Presidential veto if the legislation can get a vote in the Senate and then a vote in the House. A motion to overturn PBO’s veto would happen first in the House and I’m confident Leader Pelosi can quash it. If that happens, it’s dead.
What I want everyone to do is demand that Senator Reid whip sufficient votes, i.e., 41 out of 44 D + 2 I, to block cloture in the Senate. That’ll kill it before the House can vote on actual legislation. They can pass all the resolutions they want but they are immaterial in terms of President Obama’s authority.
#TrustBarack
Hope lots of folk pressure Senator Reid ….
Yes We Can
Congrats NCLB 🙂
TY for the new thread, NW!
And ….
So true ….
I’ll say!
😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
prettyfoot58,Once again proof that the Republicans don’t give a dam about poor folks after they are out of their mother’s womb. Once those babies are born, they have to be taken care of Republicans.
Yes, it’s THAT BAD ………….
Roger that!!!
Reality ……..
“A top German official warned Thursday of a “nightmare” and a “catastrophe” if Congress derails the Iran nuclear deal, and cited Germany’s unique relationship with Israel as a reason why it would not accept an agreement which endangers that country.
“The option of getting back to the negotiating table is close to zero” if Congress votes down the nuclear deal, said Philipp Ackermann, Berlin’s second-ranking diplomat in Washington. Ackermann argued that rejection of the deal struck by seven countries will empower hard-liners in Tehran who insist the U.S. cannot be trusted. “These people will say it’s useless to negotiate” with the outside world, he said.
That would undermine international negotiations in general, he added, undermining the credibility of future agreements struck by diplomats. “It would be a nightmare… a catastrophe.””
His words – exactly my thoughts – gm from my world & thank you for all the tweets Bob.
GM 99 🙂
Guess I missed the debate of the poll losers – seems from the intertubes that was a smart move
Evidently it went well … a total failure as a CEO is being proclaimed by all the #NEWSTAINERS as the debate ‘winner’ and ….
Most insightful analysis you’re ever likely to find ….
And, no surprise, Bree is correct 🙂
Just for clarification … Carly is being hailed by the pundits as the winner among the 2nd string loons …
LOL!!! So sad and so true.
Also the Private Prisons Cage Arena
Charter Schools Coliseum
All get F on this question answer…..
Bobfr, Fiorina comes across as a petty angry woman. I will never forget how she criticized Sen. Boxer’s hair. How can there be any winners at this sham debate for losers? 🙂
As noted COS, the ONLY winners of these debates will be Twitter and Comedian!!!
Fiorina is a pustule on the GOP’s rump ….
JHC, how many kinds of wrong.
Damn … sorry for the repeat …. this is what I meant to post ….
Why, do as I say, not as I do? The crowd should complain about their 2nd Amendment rights.
That is a wonderful read – many thanks pf – and I do love the cartoon at the end 🙂
An Argument I’m Sick of Hearing!
Bernie Sanders is hardly the first person to make this argument. But he’s the one that is running for president and should know better. So let’s take a look at what he said and break it down.
“I think the evidence is overwhelming that the Republicans, the John Boehners, Mitch McConnells and others had zero intention of negotiating with the President on any serious compromising. Their function and their goal was to obstruct, obstruct, obstruct, and to quite frankly it took the President too many years to figure that out and I think in the last couple years he has been a stronger President and a better President because he understands there is nothing to negotiate with these guys.”
First of all, there’s one thing he got right…that the Republican plan has been to obstruct anything President Obama tried to do. But does he really think he’s so much smarter than the President – assuming he knew that and Obama didn’t? This is one of those ways that liberals undermine the President, by subtly insinuating that he was naive about Republican intentions.
So let’s take a look at the record. During his first couple of months in office, it was imperative that Congress pass a stimulus bill. President Obama needed all Democrats on board plus at least a couple of Republicans. So he negotiated with a few to get that done. Would Sanders have counseled him to avoid doing that and get no stimulus?
………………………………… //
http://immasmartypants.blogspot.ca/2015/08/an-argument-im-sick-of-hearing.html?
Good points VC. Sanders is disingenuously pandering to the emo-gressive crowd with these false arguments about PBO’s so-called naivete about the GOP’s intentions.
As someone who has sat in the Senate for DECADES and hasn’t managed to get a single progressive bill passed, Sanders should know damn well that it takes more than “tough talk” and hard lines to get congress to cooperate on anything. That’s why Sanders will never be more than the Senator from Vermont…he couldn’t even be the Senator from New Jersey or CT…states that voted for Obama TWICE. The only reason he’s “running” for President now is because PBO isn’t running and PBO won’t open a can of whoop-ass on his tail during the debates on national teevee for making these ridiculous comments.
HF, Old Bernie is really feeling himself. I saw him brag that he probably would get crowds of 10k at each of hos scheduled venues this weekend in California and Oregon.
Rev Al interviewed him.
He seems to be on a silent and not-so-silent competition, not with his would-be GOP or DEM primary opponents, but with PBO. I can’t fathom this…I just can’t.
Oh..and Phuck his “crowds.” They’re borne out of ZERO substance…and will fizzle out along with his candidacy for President. Reminds me of the OWS “movement” in 2011…where are they now?!?!?
Totally agree HF. And I am not surprised that he was invited to Liberty University. This says a lot about him.
Hopef, Sanders no doubt knows that it takes more than ‘tough talk’. I suspect he’s banking on the fact many members of his ‘crowd’ won’t know that. Remember, those who kept mouthing that PBO should harness the bully pulpit, show his strength, yada, yada are likely those swarming to ride the waves of Sanders’ “tough talk” now. Hope they enjoy the ride while it lasts!
🙂 Good. What time does the KKKlown show start tonight? I have to gather my munchies and cocktails….
7 min 🙂
830p EDT
Won’t be watching, but occasionally checking Twitter for some jollies 🙂
Yikes! I may miss some myself…as long as we get some news here…I’m good:)
Congrats NCLB on #1!
😀 😀 😀 😀
Can’t believe anyone at NYT did this ….
bbl … conf call just started and I can’t afford to break out laughing in the middle of the presentation 😀 😀 😀
Food delivery service, etc.
Best tweet tonight!
Presented without comment, from a poster at PolitucsUSA:
The DNC is only trying to protect Hillary because they know Bernie Sanders will mop the floor with her and destroy her in the primaries. Debbie Wasser4man Schultz should step aside as DNC chair. I would rather see Howard Dean, or Dennis Kucinich as DNC chair.
POTUS can’t ask Debbie W. Schultz to step aside?
Word on twitter:
Schumer will come out AGAINST Iran Deal
So detest this man…
He also leaked the info at the most chickensh&t moment.
If true, did anyone expect Schumer to show any guts, to do the right thing? Any respect I might have had for him is gone.
Time to send Charles an email, tell him to move to live with his friend Bibi, and should take Carly with him since they seem to want to consult Bibi first and foremost.
I can’t watch – but the guardian blog seems a reasonable place to be
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2015/aug/06/republican-fox-news-debate-donald-trump-jeb-bush
“The crowd goes wild at the sight of 10 middle-aged, white men wearing suits, distinguished by a diversity of haircuts. There’s a bald spot, curls, a few glossy sheens and shades of grey, and then whatever it is on Trump’s head.”
LOL!
Any link to gop debate live stream? Not at home so missing clown show
Good Evening Everyone! Just got back from nephew’s birthday party!
Have I missed the Clown Show?
Okay, so which B-D was this, and did you have my share of cake?
Guess I don’t need to ask how it’s going? 😀
Heheheh!
Thank goodness somebody’ doing it!
Every comment needs fact checking dudette – I’m not watching but wandering around the bloggs – what the audience is cheering is heartbreaking – the lies the clowns are saying are scarey.
Yeh, I couldn’t bring myself to watch it. Too nauseating for me.
Same here. Cannot do it.
I have Fox on. No surprises. I doubt a single mind will be changed by what is going on. YIKES!!!
Hey I am taking my visitors to the hot springs one of them said jeez they are all comedians..i’ll read the opinions here when I get back they are just a bunch of ‘papishows’
No ‘mamishows’ in the bunch? 😀 😀 I haven’t heard that word in ‘donkey years’!
With Trump around – Christie can’t win the bully hat
He lied about the conditions in NJ and blamed everything on his predecessor.
Rich freaky hair racists bully businessmen are stupid too.
There was an item on our TV yesterday about building golden gates (entrance to a castle c. 1700s) – how topical – Trump probably saw it!
Somebody hand Marco a bottle of water. He should’ve been at the kiddie table.. Really.
Jeb! just accused PBO of “leaving Iraq.”
Which makes him a Liar.
Or an uninformed idiot.
Or Both.
His Brother mandated our withdrawal from Iraq. He surrendered.
Not PBO’s choice or doing.
“forgot” about SOFA??
http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/08/10/rewriting-history-conservatives-attack-obama-fo/200380
Jeb is a liar. We are certain of that, He’s like his brother who lied us into a war.
I can see from Twitter it’s going swell …
back to work ….
If I was a Republican I would be so embarrass, I would have to ask myself what has become of the Republicans, why have we sink so low. How can anyone be proud of what is standing on that stage tonight ? P-I-T-I-F-U-L!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is Sponge Bob Square Peg still on?
New post.
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/08/06/commemorating-the-50th-anniversary-of-the-voting-rights-act/