When Will We Say Enough Is Enough?







“Theater Patron” is how CNN would like you to remember a monster. The media truly is complicit











110 Responses to “When Will We Say Enough Is Enough?”

  1. 1 99ts
    July 24, 2015 at 9:52 am

    Thank you NW

    • 2 99ts
      July 24, 2015 at 9:57 am

      From links at LGF the so called

      ” 58-year-old white male who was a theater patron”

      “was a member of the tea party and Very Conservative”

    • 3 Judith Fardig
      July 24, 2015 at 11:42 am

      Congratulations to 99ts and Vicki. What an intolerable gun fetish culture we have built in this country. Had just come from a Moms Demand workshop on the Ask Campaign when the news came over the radio. We will win stronger gun safety laws when we elect local, state, and federal representatives willing to stand up to the NRA. That money machine is not as all-powerful as they used to be. Every victory (we had two in Oregon this session) makes it easier to take more steps for gun sense. Most hunters I know are sick of the loss of human life (animals, well – not so much).

      • 4 99ts
        July 24, 2015 at 11:50 am

        Love reading about what you do Judith – and your positive attitude – eventually enough people will decide on change – sad to think what might happen before that time.

  2. 5 Vicki
    July 24, 2015 at 9:52 am

    Good morning, Nerdy.

  3. 6 amk for obama
    July 24, 2015 at 10:01 am

    yup. that was the last chance and cong cowards did nothing.

  4. 8 Vicki
    July 24, 2015 at 10:04 am

    Gun violence is an epidemic that is out of control.
    I want gun regulation laws to be passed and implemented but I see that it may be too late for anything to be effective given the huge amount of guns already in the hands of folks who we’d like not to have them.

    Not saying we shouldn’t make the effort.
    I am saying that whatever we do will be better than not doing anything. PBO has certainly tried his best.

    But given the numbers of guns throughout our population, we are likely too late to stop the rage induced mass events. Families will be bereft over the loss of their loved ones and Governors will talk about thoughts and prayers on TV. Horrible.

  5. 9 MightyPamela
    July 24, 2015 at 10:06 am

    Many of have been saying Enough, for a very long time. Who is listening?

  6. July 24, 2015 at 10:09 am

    ‘In developed countries, there is a strong correlation between the number of guns and incidences of gun violence. In 2012, the US, which has the most guns per capita, also had the most firearm-related homicides of developed countries. Japan, which has the lowest rate of gun ownership, had the least’

  7. 19 CEB
    July 24, 2015 at 10:10 am

    Let’s be real about any kind of gun control in this country: it is only when/if someone comes to Capitol Hill and shoot/kills members of congress and if a large number of A-A’s start purchasing and openly carrying all kinds of guns and spouting off about their 2nd amendment rights will there ever be a real effort. When nothing happened after Sandy Hook, I knew that this country was well on its way down the road to perdition. The almighty dollar is our god. I am so numb that I have no more tears left to shed; no more room in my heart for sorrow; no more energy for anger, and no will to try to keep on pushing this boulder back up the hill.

    • 20 amk for obama
      July 24, 2015 at 10:15 am

      Nope. You had presidents, civic leaders, heck judges shot dead and jacksquat happened.

      1st and 2nd amendments are the worst nightmares the founders have inflicted on their own people.

  8. July 24, 2015 at 10:11 am

  9. 25 Nerdy Wonka
    July 24, 2015 at 10:14 am

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  11. July 24, 2015 at 10:15 am

  12. 28 Anjo
    July 24, 2015 at 10:16 am

    What will it take? Sandy Hook wasn’t it, Gabby Giffords wasn’t it, what will it take, there needs to be change, change in thinking, change in law enforcement, change in leadership and political will by those elected, there needs to be a big change or else this will just get worse

  13. July 24, 2015 at 10:23 am

    Chris Rock is not wrong

  14. July 24, 2015 at 10:26 am

    Thank you Nerdy, there’s just no end to the madness.

  15. 31 Vicki
    July 24, 2015 at 10:27 am

    In the “Probably not a coincidence” category:

    President Obama announces sentencing reform measures and releases dozens of non-violent drug offenders. The President says there will be many more of these and 1,500 lawyers are working on presenting cases to PBO that may result in many more released prisoners. Good!!!

    Ex-Pres. Clinton publicly apologizes for signing harsh drug sentencing laws. (Fed. prisons population estimated to be 2/3 low level non-violent offenders.)

    DK is out with a story about HRC’s Private Prison donor base. CCA and Geo Group, private prison enterprises are bundlers, big donors to the candidate.

    Maybe just me. What I see is 2015 Clinton/Obama re-match. Outcome will be the same as ever. Biden, 2016.

  16. 32 sherijr
    July 24, 2015 at 10:31 am

    well I’m in the tiny minority of believing all guns should be outlawed, period. I don’t even believe the cops should have guns. But how do we put that monkey back in the bag? We’ve allowed gun ownership to be the end-all be-all of “American Rights” … and far as I can see there’ no going back.
    Folks are going to have their guns come hell or high water.
    Cops are going to kill black folks for no reason.
    And the hate, cruelty and stupidity goes on and on and on.

    • 33 donna dem 4 obama
      July 24, 2015 at 10:49 am

      My feeling is that if people want to have guns for sport or protection that is fine. Personally, I have never allowed them to be in my home. When I married my husband, many moons ago, he had a shotgun and I made him leave it at his mother’s house. We never had these types of issues when I was growing up in the 60’s and 70’s. It only became a problem in my estimation when these assault weapons with all these gazillion ammunition clips became readily available for any nut who wanted to get them. Whoever thought that society should be better armed than the police or our military were fools. I have ZERO aspiration that this country will do anything about it so this is the society we are going to have to live in. It’s sickening.

    • 35 99ts
      July 24, 2015 at 11:02 am

      I hadn’t seen a handgun until I visited the US in 1978 – police at Dulles airport was my first sighting of armed police and I was not impressed. I don’t remember when the uniformed police started wearing arms in Australia – I guess the 1980s. Now they wear so much weight on the waist I’m sure it would be impossible for them to chase anyone on foot. For the “normal” householder I don’t think guns protect – quite the opposite. In my youth some of my family were farmers and they did own guns – but they were always kept in gun safes – well away from children and visitors.

      • 36 sherijr
        July 24, 2015 at 11:17 am

        I was in the army in my youth 🙂 and so handled m16s. I have been a single parent for most of 37 yrs and never had a gun in my home… always had a nice large dog. I don’t feel any kind of way about guns- neither like nor dislike. When I was in the army we shot at targets of course, it was peace time.. and I did well enough: marksman.. thus hit my target fairly often enough- and that was “fun” in it’s way. But having a gun was never an option, I’ve always had children in my home and thought it would be stupid to mix kids and guns.. even if I did have a desire to keep a gun.

        I did grow up knowing that my grandpa, who had hunted in his early days, he was a coal-miner… who had been shot whilst hunting with friends in the 1930s.. his elbow was in a permanent v shape from the bullet… also his friend was shot and bled to death, while my grandpa drove the wagon to the nearest (20 miles) hospital to save his life. Even my grandpa never hunted after that. I don’t think that colored my thoughts on guns, just made me aware that accidents can be horrific and too many guns and the people who have them cause some very unnecessary and horrific situations.

        But on top of too many guns, we have a mental health problem in this country too, imo.

        • 37 99ts
          July 24, 2015 at 11:36 am

          My dad served in WWII – guess he knew weapons – but we never had them in the house. All the statistics seem to prove that a gun in a home is much more likely to be used on the householder – or family – than for any valid “protection”. All the talk about guns for protection – would love it if the government was allowed to keep statistics on such things.

          I think many countries have the mental health problems – that is not unique to the US – replacing unacceptable asylums (1970s/80s) with virtually nothing has caused minimal care being available for folks with mental health issues. Combined with easy gun access the problem is multiplied many times.

      • 39 sherijr
        July 24, 2015 at 11:30 am

        when I say I don’t like or dislike guns- I mean I have no feeling about/ for guns. The hands that hold them are the issue.. and since we cannot determine which hands ought to hold them, none should in my narrow opinion 😉 Get rid of the damn guns, all of them. That wish is right up there with world peace and an end to racism. Too many people living in fear of their neighbor, their co-worker, the “other”.. and thus are armed and waiting while their mental health deteriorates and sends them into churches and schools and theatres taking aim. It’s beyond my ability to figure out, 99ts.

        But then I think of President Obama… and remember we are the change we’ve been waiting for. That change takes time, persistence and comes in increments.. and realize that apathy isn’t going to change anything either.

        Honestly, 99, this Sandra Bland murder has me very angry and seething and feeling very powerless at this time for my fellow human beings… and so I’m in a dismal state of mind.

        • 40 99ts
          July 24, 2015 at 11:42 am

          Wish I had an answer for you sherijr – it does seem that the election of PBO has brought the madness into the open – and perhaps that is the starting point for a solution. What will happen when the age of Obama is over – is a story yet to be written.

  17. 42 donna dem 4 obama
    July 24, 2015 at 10:32 am

  18. 45 donna dem 4 obama
    July 24, 2015 at 10:32 am

  19. 46 donna dem 4 obama
    July 24, 2015 at 10:33 am

    THIS just makes me sick! 😡

    • 47 desertflower
      July 24, 2015 at 10:45 am

      From this piece..

      Governor Bobby Jindal is all about the Second Amendment.

      He’s signed over a dozen gun bills into law, many of them designed to increase access to guns and increase where they may legally be carried. Like into churches, a bill Gov. Jindal signed in 2010. Or into restaurants, even those that serve alcohol – one of five gun bills which Gov. Jindal signed into law in 2014. Another of those five bills expands Louisiana’s Stand Your Ground law.

      The year before, in 2013, Jindal signed six gun bills into law, including one that makes it illegal to publish the names and addresses of anyone with a concealed handgun permit, and another that extends concealed carry permits to be valid for the lifetime of the person permitted.

      Never crossed his mind….

      • 48 vcprezofan2
        July 24, 2015 at 11:55 am

        Doesn’t surprise me it never crossed his mind! From the little I’ve seen and heard of Jindal (most notably his response to PBO’s first SoTU) it doesn’t strike me that much of substance crosses *his* mind, and I don’t care how many degrees he has to his name.

    • 49 Judith Fardig
      July 24, 2015 at 11:52 am

      Jindal has shown himself to be a prostitute for the NRA.

  20. 51 donna dem 4 obama
    July 24, 2015 at 10:34 am

  21. 52 desertflower
    July 24, 2015 at 10:34 am

    Pretty much..


    But the fact that we don’t look at people like they’re people is the craziest part to me. Like, when all that church shit happened it was so sad to me. ‘Cause it was like, “See this what I’m talking about: Everybody hates black people.” Well that limits people’s ability to connect. That’s what happens when you make things about gender or color or things like that. ‘Cause you can look at a white person all day and say, “Black people just keep dying.” They’re going to feel sympathy for you, but they won’t have a personal connection because they’ll never know what it’s like to be a black person. Same thing: We’ll never know what it’s like to be white. The fact that it’s not just “a person died”: Everybody knows how that feels to be a person. That just shows that we gauge humanity based on the wrong things.

    What’s important to me is people just being people. And that’s what I care about: getting rid of all the bullshit that doesn’t mean anything at the end of the day. You look outside, all this shit is fake. We make this shit. We can pick a system for taxes, we know how to work fucking phones, we know fiberoptics. Someone made fiber-fucking-optics, but we don’t know how to treat people yet. Different wires made of different materials labeled different colors can make sound or picture come on a screen, and we don’t know how to treat people. That’s backwards as fuck.

    And by the time this was released, there was another mass shooting. Exceptional my ass.

  22. 53 0388jojothecat
    July 24, 2015 at 10:38 am

    The last time Congress agreed to pass gun regulation was because “a republican” was shot and “a republican” advocated for it, i.e Ronald Reagan and James Brady. When Bill Clinton signed the 1994 Crime Bill, which included the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act and many Democrats lost re-election because of heavy lobbying by the NRA and the House soon after became GOP majority. Clinton signed many EO’s that were overturned by GWB and let the automatic weapons ban expire in 2004.

    The ONLY way we will get gun regulation and the requirement of gun owners to be insured is when a either an NRA member does mass killing of a republican or his family member.

    • 54 theo67
      July 24, 2015 at 11:00 pm

      I hope it doesn’t come to that. Americans need to wake up and demand that their Congress actually protect them like they’re supposed to, and like they’re paid to do. We shouldn’t need more bloodshed to do that. Congress shouldn’t need to lose their own to do their jobs.

  23. July 24, 2015 at 10:47 am

    • 59 donna dem 4 obama
      July 24, 2015 at 10:54 am

      Of course it has. We joke and make fun of the right who fear that “Obama is gonna take away their guns” but they honestly believe it. Then you have these shock jocks that feed the beast everyday on radio telling these people to essentially arm up because Obama is destroying their liberty. Parts of this country has gone straight to hell in a hand basket!

      • 60 theo67
        July 24, 2015 at 11:01 pm

        A bunch of paranoid, cowardly, crazy people buying guns to defend themselves from imagined danger. Freedom.

      July 24, 2015 at 11:11 am


  24. July 24, 2015 at 10:51 am

    I saw a tweet yesterday with statistics that gun manufacturing and sales have doubled since PBO took office.

    This is a very sick, sick country.

    • 63 donna dem 4 obama
      July 24, 2015 at 10:56 am

      Thanks DF for the link and here you go meta:

      • July 24, 2015 at 11:05 am

        Thank you Donna and df. I should have refreshed and seen that TODers are already on it!

      • 65 0388jojothecat
        July 24, 2015 at 12:04 pm

        A friend of mine used to go to gun shows but stopped after PBO was elected. He went to a gun show in Portland, Ore in 2009 and he said that people were buy guns left and right. All they could talk about was that PBO was going to take away their guns and no one would be able to buy AK 47’s and other automatic weapons again like the law Bill Clinton enacted. Then because of the war there were shortages on bullets and they all swore it was PBO’s fault. He said people were buying up bullets that they were creating their own shortage plus the government was buying them because of the two wars.

        • 66 Sandy1110
          July 24, 2015 at 1:32 pm

          And of course they’re careless or dumb enough to not understand that they’re dealing with an actual implement of death, so they shoot themselves in the butt (if we’re lucky), leave the safety off for kids to kill themselves, or shoot their friends by mistake because they’re so amped up with fear.

          I wonder what the gun lovers would have said if those self-appointed recruitment center guards had killed another service member instead of having the gun discharge into the ground?

  25. 67 donna dem 4 obama
    July 24, 2015 at 11:02 am

    And then we have this….

    BUFFALO, N.Y. (WIVB) — After being caught on tape verbalizing racist slurs, one candidate and Buffalo Municipal Housing Authority (BMHA) official is on the defensive.

  26. 68 Gazelle
    July 24, 2015 at 11:05 am

    [OT, but TGIF, and some good news! He made self-powered generators, cars, helicopters, etc.]]

    We attended the Saith Technologies Open Day where a local inventor, Maxwell Chikumbutso, was exhibiting some of his innovations. We ventured to find out who he is and managed to get some background when he shared his story.

    Sangulani (Maxwell) Chikumbutso is a Zimbabwean born serial inventor with the typical I dropped out of school, but I am a genius story, synonymous with some of the successful people we know today.

    He is the founder of Saith Technologies. He was born in 1980 and grew up in the high-density suburb of Kuwadzana, Harare, under the care of a single parent as his father walked out on the family.

    He completed his primary education at Kuwadzana 5 Primary School and secondary education up to Form 2 at Dzivaresekwa High 2. His education up to this stage was sponsored through Social Welfare until he dropped out. […..]

    In 2003, Maxwell began to get ideas on creating a self-powered generator. Through Bruce, Maxwell interfaced with some prominent professors in Zimbabwe who told him that it was impossible to create such a machine.

    He, however, pursued his idea financing it with the little money he got as a haulage truck driver. By 2009, the first prototype of the Greener generator began to work generating 1,200 Watts, but still no one was interested in funding the project.

    In 2009, Maxwell was invited by the Government of Lesotho to do a presentation of his project. He was offered a $1,2 million dollar deal but turned it down after he met with Zach Wazara, former Econet CEO and founder of Brodacom. […..]


    Photos of products here: https://www.newsday.co.zw/2015/07/22/pictures-saith-unveils-a-helicopter/

  27. 69 Don
    July 24, 2015 at 11:09 am

    As part of my job I am required to carry a gun, sometimes I have to take inmates to the hospital in public. From the moment I put that gun on I have to be on alert, all of my senses rise. Once a year I have to qualify at a gun range, I have to shoot a handgun and a shot gun and an automatic rifle, during qualifying days I’m at the range all day in all types of weather. I dread going to the gun range, but it’s something I’m required to do as a condition of employment. Even though I shoot once a year, I never get used to the sound of the gun going off or the recoil from the gun. I don’t personally own a gun; I refuse to have one in the house. To be truthful I wish guns were outlawed, but they are necessary. I get a kick out of those people that say a good gun with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun, no they can’t. I honestly believe that those people that walk around with guns strapped to their backs have issues that must be dealt with. It is not normal for someone to want to walk around with a gun, I honestly believe that. I don’t see open carry laws being changed anytime soon, I think it’s going to get worse before it gets better.

    • July 24, 2015 at 11:17 am

      I did not grow up around guns and I’ve never known anyone who owns a gun. Except for maybe seeing one on a police officer, I’ve never actually seen a gun. I would never live anywhere near a state where they are allowed in everyday life. Who could live with that vibe of violence in their midst as though it’s perfectly normal? It’s completely psychopathic to feel like you need to carry a gun everywhere you go. I absolutely detest what guns and gun culture have done to our country.

  28. July 24, 2015 at 11:10 am

    • 72 Don
      July 24, 2015 at 11:16 am

      How can you be a fan of Hitler and be Antigovernment? Hitler wanted an all-knowing government, add stupid to the list of details that will come out about this guy.

      • 73 Vicki
        July 24, 2015 at 12:08 pm

        Don, what they were trying to say was dog whistle crap for racists. No logic necessary.
        Same thing for pumping idea that PBO will take away their guns.
        What they may really be saying is more along the lines of “We need to have big and bad guns because of black people.”

      July 24, 2015 at 11:17 am


  29. 75 desertflower
    July 24, 2015 at 11:20 am

    If people don’t understand that the NRA is all about the ammo and manufacturers and not the “rights of the people”….They use tactics like this, appealing to the racism that exists and the fear..even though none of this “Obama is going to take your guns” is true in any sense. This President is their savior (NRA and gun manufacturers) They have used him as the white population fears “The Other”….and it’s disgusting.
    If this is the one thing that our President has angst and wishes he could do more…I think that it’s up to all of us to make this happen. I’m sick of it. Everyone here is sick of it….yet nothing happens because congress is under the thumb of the NRA and they can be broken or made with their money and endorsements. We need to break the cycle. We need to brainstorm and maybe join with groups like Gabby Giffords and make our voices heard. Loud and clear. We’re not ASKING for permission, we are DEMANDING CHANGE. Our reps need to clearly understand this… I agree about Sandy Hook…once we had permission to slaughter children in their classrooms…it was done.
    We know what needs to happen, we have to summon the will to get this done as a country and put our priorities right. People like to conflate responsible gun owners with the lunatics that shouldn’t so much as own a damn electric pencil sharpener! There HAVE to be boundaries for a weapon of war who’s only purpose is to kill. To say otherwise, is lying to yourself. Enough. Enough.Enough. Let’s make a plan and do this. America is sick in so many ways. We need to heal ourselves before too many more lives are lost to this disease.

  30. July 24, 2015 at 11:23 am

    JHC, the Senate is going to have a vote to repeal Obamacare. This is what they consider to be a high priority. Too stupid to live!

    • 78 Don
      July 24, 2015 at 11:35 am

      I work for the government, I actually have coworkers that hate Obamacare. Their reasoning is that government shouldn’t be in the business of getting people healthcare that can’t afford it. But what frost me the most is that the government pays damn near the majority of our monthly premiums, once a year I’m given a phone book sized pamphlet of all the insurance companies that does business with the government. I’m almost embarrassed to say how much I have to pay as part of my monthly premium. I mean really, the government damn near pays all of your premium and you’re upset that some family that can’t afford health insurance is getting some meager help from the government. Some days I have to sit in my office and not talk to anyone, because if I do I’m going to lose it.

      • July 24, 2015 at 11:41 am

        OMG, that is definitely hypocritical. What is wrong with people? Really, what is wrong?

        • 80 Don
          July 24, 2015 at 11:47 am

          But yet when he had the fires here in Texas a couple of years all these fuckers wanted the Federal government to step in and help, hypocrisy indeed!

    • 81 99ts
      July 24, 2015 at 11:55 am

      100% dysfunctional political party – still trying to make PBO a one term President.

  31. 82 Nena20409
    July 24, 2015 at 11:25 am

    Hello TOD.
    Congrats to all the Au ⭐ winners, starting with this Post and 3 posts back.
    I hope that POTUS has landed in Kenya, already.

  32. 84 JER
    July 24, 2015 at 11:26 am

  33. 87 Nena20409
    July 24, 2015 at 11:28 am

    For those who have not seen it

    • 88 Vicki
      July 24, 2015 at 12:11 pm

      Best Larry show I’ve seen. Guy knows what he is talking about. Very refreshing to see That on TV.

  34. 92 Nena20409
    July 24, 2015 at 11:30 am

    Just for you, TOD VJ, Dudette

  35. July 24, 2015 at 11:31 am

    Oh my, would you look at Grandma Sarah!!!!

  36. 99 Nena20409
    July 24, 2015 at 11:33 am

    • 100 Don
      July 24, 2015 at 11:40 am

      Seriously I don’t even know if I can read anymore about racism, sometimes I wish I didn’t give a fuck and I could just go about my business like everything is alright, this shit is taxing.

  37. July 24, 2015 at 11:37 am

    Wow, big change from PBO’s conventions.

    • 102 Don
      July 24, 2015 at 11:52 am

      I mean are we really surprised? This situation is not unlike being in high school and your regular teacher calls in sick one day, you know your regular teacher won’t put up with your bullshit, your regular teacher will put your ass in check. But with the substitute teacher, you can pull that bullshit all day long. Welcome to the Democratic Party post President Obama.

      • July 24, 2015 at 11:59 am

        I am not ready for this BS. I really am not ready.

        • 104 Vicki
          July 24, 2015 at 12:15 pm

          Private Prison dollars, too, no doubt. See: HRC donors
          Dems are all about how much $$$$ they can raise. An issue long settled not to their favor. With a leading candidate generally disliked by everyone except who the RW pollsters manage to get on their landlines.

  38. 105 Nena20409
    July 24, 2015 at 11:52 am


    • 106 Don
      July 24, 2015 at 11:57 am

      To be a “drifter” this guy sure does has money to spare, and leisure time. This guy was at the movies, and at night when the prices are high and he had enough money to buy a gun apparently. Next thing you know they’ll be telling us he has a healthy 401k.

  39. July 24, 2015 at 11:58 am

    From June:

  40. 108 57andfemale
    July 24, 2015 at 12:02 pm

    “A Kid on the playground throws a Rock at another Kid on the playground. The Teacher gives ALL of the Kids on the playground Rocks, since, after all, only a Good kid with a Rock can Stop a Bad Kid with Rock.”
    Posted on Facebook by Jesus was Not a Republican, The RealRocktheNRAPage.com

    The People who don’t want to carry guns to the theater have rights, too!

  41. 109 JER
    July 24, 2015 at 12:02 pm

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