Profit and Loss – Why #BlackLivesMatter Matters

The BBC just began a documentary series (a real one, not the crap foisted upon us by History or Discovery) entitled “Britain’s Forgotten Slave Owners.” Written and presented by historian David Olusoga, it details Britain’s abolition of slavery, and how much it cost the country.

A commission was empaneled to determine compensation. The compensation had a budget of £20 million. In today’s money, according to Measuring Worth, that amounts from almost £2 billion at the low end to almost £80 billion at the high end. (What’s a few billion among friends?)

Of course, here’s the thing: the outlay wasn’t to compensate the 800,000 slaves. It was to compensate the slave owners.

And oh, don’t think that slave owners were relegated to a 1% class. Yes, they were the chief owners. But what the documentary shows is that slave ownership permeated all strata of society, from the aristocracy to the middle classes, from dukes to doctors to parsons to widows. There were thousands of letters written to try to cajole more money out of the commission in recompense, along the lines of “I’m a poor man and depend on my annuity for my income.”

As stomach churning as that is, the real horror is when Prof. Olusoga delves into the way the slaves were treated. The British slave states in the Caribbean were nothing short of terror regimes. He answers the question “Well, if the slaves were so maltreated, why didn’t they use their numerical superiority, rebel and overthrow their masters?” Watch the last 10 minutes or so of part 1, where he tells the story of a failed English farmer who became a rich man in Jamaica. The reason his story is highlighted is because his diary survives. It is a text which casually details the most horrific sadism, detailed in the same matter-of-fact manner as it relates dinner parties among the planters. Slaves on all the British islands were subjected to nothing other than systematic torture and murder. Any inclination to rebel was bled out of them by sheer terror.

Why do I bring this up? Because this matters to us, here in the United States. The methods employed on Barbardos were the ones employed in South Carolina. There was no difference. And it is this sin which haunts us.

When a frustrated white person huffs “That was so long ago! Why can’t they just get over it?”, I want them to see this picture:

Or, maybe this one:

And then move to this:

It’s all of a piece. Prof. Olusoga makes the point that the British colonists didn’t develop racism to excuse their abuse of African slaves. The racism was already there, ready to carry out that abuse. And then the economic windfall further reinforced that racism.

Which came first, racism or class? I would argue that racism was always present, which gave sanction to the manipulation of class loyalties. Paraphrasing Lyndon Johnson, a poor white sharecropper will gladly join in the oppression of a black doctor merely because it makes him feel superior.

Why can’t they just get over it?

America has the annoying trait of having as one of its ideologies that history doesn’t matter. That all the petty strife of other countries shouldn’t be brought over here. The Old Country doesn’t matter—you’re American now! Henry Ford had schools which turned his immigrant labor force into model citizens.

But what about those who were brought here against their will? Whose descendants were born into bondage? Whose descendants, when freed from slavery, were kept in a state of semi-slavery? Whose descendants, when finally achieving some modicum of equality, are still looked on askance, and have that equality under law silently resented? They weren’t immigrants. They were chattel. And they have been here as long as their former masters. What about them? Should they just “get over it”, when it’s obvious that their oppression is still a through-theme of their country?

As that incisive analyst of the Southern mind said: “The past is not dead; it’s not even past.” “Get over it, move on,” isn’t said with concern for African Americans. It’s said with a desire to not be confronted with uncomfortable truths.

“My family never owned slaves!” No, but you’ve benefited from a culture which began as a slave state, and where many of its structures are still informed by it.

“We elected Obama!” And if President Obama had been white, and had accomplished all that he has, measurements would be being taken for Mt. Rushmore.

“I marched with Martin Luther King!” And thank you for that. But racial justice isn’t a one-off action. It is a constant way of life, because there’s much which still needs to be done. And if you rely on past actions to answer demands for the present situation, you’re just as bad as someone in a bed sheet. Perhaps worse, because you should know better.

It’s not easy. Facing that this society is built on inherent unfairness based on descent goes against the American myth. But it’s reality. British slave owners were compensated for the loss of their property. Southern planters fought tooth and nail to keep their property. The descendants of that property are merely asking to be treated like human beings.

This is why #BlackLivesMatter matters. Because black lives are the ones which are discounted, demeaned, diminished. If you can’t see that, that makes the movement even more urgent. And it won’t go away.

130 Responses to “Profit and Loss – Why #BlackLivesMatter Matters”

  1. July 22, 2015 at 12:49 pm

    Morning LL. Our inhumanity makes me ill. Thanks for this.

    • 3 vcprezofan2
      July 22, 2015 at 12:58 pm

      Over a hundred years later and in the U.S. the argument for equality under the law persists …..

      JULY 23rd, 1910

      Press Reports Murder of Black Taxi Driver in Montgomery

      On July 23, 1910, Colored Alabamian, a black magazine, reported the murder of black taxi driver Mitchell Johnson in Montgomery, Alabama. Earlier that month, a white man employed Mr. Johnson to drive him to his home, then refused to pay the fare. Mr. Johnson reported the incident to his employer and had the man arrested. After the passenger posted bond and was released from jail, he found Mr. Johnson and shot him dead. When the man was rearrested, he asserted that he killed Mr. Johnson in self-defense and he was released.

      On July 11, 1910, following Mr. Johnson’s death and a string of murders, Montgomery County Judge Armstead Brown instructed a jury to determine a defendant’s innocence based on evidence and not on class or race. He stated, “All charges of homicide should be rigidly investigated. Whether the killing be of some person of standing or a poor unknown negro.”

      Colored Alabamian applauded his remarks: “White men who murder Negroes only have to tell the Court they acted in SELF-DEFENSE, to be turned loose, whether the victim was a Negro man or a poor helpless Negro woman. We are therefore very thankful to Judge Brown.”

      …………………………………… //


      • 4 GGail
        July 22, 2015 at 1:06 pm

        VC, I just commented down thread that I wish you would post the video we watched at your house about the same treatment blacks received in Canada…and are probably still receiving, except everyone only notices America’s blood stains.

        • 5 vcprezofan2
          July 22, 2015 at 1:29 pm

          I’ll look it up on line later, but it’s somewhat longer than I like to share here. [My attention span is not very developed. 😉 ]

          Also, one probably should admit that America’s bloodstains in this area are huge, so I wouldn’t exactly say it’s the same treatment. I’m not up on the subject, but it seems to me racial discrimination here didn’t/doesn’t come covered in as much blood.

        • 6 vcprezofan2
          July 22, 2015 at 3:28 pm

          I’m back, Gx2! Here’s the link to the documentary that you requested, with its summary description.

          ‘This documentary pays tribute to a group of Canadians who took racism to court. They are Canada’s unsung heroes in the fight for Black civil rights. Focusing on the 1930s to the 1950s, this film documents the struggle of 6 people who refused to accept inequality. Featured here, among others, are Viola Desmond, a woman who insisted on keeping her seat at a Halifax movie theatre in 1946 rather than moving to the section normally reserved for the city’s Black population, and Fred Christie, who took his case to the Supreme Court after being denied service at a Montreal tavern in 1936. These brave pioneers helped secure justice for all Canadians. Their stories deserve to be told.’


          • 7 GGail
            July 22, 2015 at 3:48 pm

            {{{{VC}}}} I hope TODers and lurkers will take the time to save this link so they can reserve some time to watch this video. Similarities abound.

            Thanks vc for posting it. ❤

            • 8 vcprezofan2
              July 22, 2015 at 3:55 pm

              ❤ YVW
              That link is so much clearer than my copy! After watching at home I was thinking of ordering my own new DVD, but your request has reminded me that I could actually access it online for future reference. Never thought of that before!

      • July 22, 2015 at 11:53 pm

        vc I was just backtracking on TOD to catch up and saw this amazing video link you posted from NFB. Honestly I had not seen it before but there were so many familiar faces. Bromley Armstrong was my sister’s godfather, I saw my grade three teacher in his arm uniform….so handsome then and Don Moore was a pivotal part of my childhood. I even saw myself in one of the pics. Thanks so much. I learned a lot and revived so many memories, good and bad.

        • 12 vcprezofan2
          July 23, 2015 at 12:01 am

          Suh-weet, Alma-b! [I shall have to go back and look carefully at each segment to see if I can spot you. 😀 😀 ] Glad it meant much to you! I know no-one in it and in fact had forgotten it was on my shelf until GxG and I got into a discussion about whether or not there was any historical connection between American and Canadian Blacks.

          • July 23, 2015 at 12:22 am

            I am one of the little girls in the group picture after Don Moore is introduced. My grandfather worked with Stan Grizzle. Knew him all my life as well. Geez even the old pics of Toronto streetcars brings back memories. Loved it! I have passed it on to my sister and brother.

            • 14 vcprezofan2
              July 23, 2015 at 12:31 am

              Will check it out tomorrow. My eyes are too tired to go searching now. 😀 😀 [ You do realize you’re dating yourself, don’t you?]

    • 15 vcprezofan2
      July 22, 2015 at 4:08 pm

  2. July 22, 2015 at 12:56 pm

    So Marco Rubio said that President Obama has no class.

  3. July 22, 2015 at 12:59 pm

    LL, you’re a treasure for this. I didn’t even know about ‘Britain’s Forgotten Slave Owners’, so definitely want to watch it. Seamless linking of history: “The past is not dead; it’s not even past.” Thank you, Maestro.

  4. 23 desertflower
    July 22, 2015 at 1:00 pm

  5. 24 GGail
    July 22, 2015 at 1:03 pm

    LL, this Post makes me want to cry. Thank you for telling the truth.

    I also wish vc would post the video that tells the story of how blacks from the underground railroad and from the Islands were treated in Canada.

  6. 25 Bad Wolf
    July 22, 2015 at 1:06 pm

    I know there’ve been “white lives matter” and “cop lives matter” protests. What a joke.

  7. 26 donna dem 4 obama
    July 22, 2015 at 1:07 pm

    • 27 GGail
      July 22, 2015 at 1:07 pm

      Say That, Say That!

    • 28 Sandy1110
      July 22, 2015 at 1:24 pm

      And people who responded with to that tweet with “Respect must be earned” ARE the problem.

      They refuse to see the goading and menacing by the cop to CREATE the excuse to rough up Ms. Bland. He needed to gin up “combativeness” where there was none.

      These people are making this issue HER fault. How dare the uppity black woman talk back to one of her “betters”?

    • 29 EricFive
      July 22, 2015 at 1:29 pm

      Those arguing about Sandra Bland being “respectful” are making an irrelevant argument. Being disrespectful to a cop is not a capital offense for White folks, and it should not be a capital offense for African-Americans. These people making that argument are (as always) blaming the victim. They are harkening back to the days of slavery, when talking back to a White person would get a Black person murdered. I see this rash of police murders of unarmed Black people as the physical manifestation of the racial anxiety a large percentage of the White population has been feeling during the Age of Obama. As Trump’s surging poll numbers clearly illustrate, there are ALOT of angry White people who think they are losing “their” country. The thug cop is their foot soldier, fighting their battle, lessening the ranks of the despised “OTHER”.

      • July 22, 2015 at 3:30 pm

        Exactly this, EricFive. I can’t wrap my mind around so many people who twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify this behavior on the part of the police, when you know very well if it were their loved one they would be appalled beyond belief.

  8. 32 Nena20409
    July 22, 2015 at 1:17 pm

    Congrats J4O on your Gold ⭐
    Dr. Susan Rice Live with Josh “The Voice” Earnest at the WH Presser on 7-22-15

  9. 33 Nena20409
    July 22, 2015 at 1:18 pm

  10. 34 donna dem 4 obama
    July 22, 2015 at 1:18 pm

    • 35 Sandy1110
      July 22, 2015 at 1:34 pm

      Just what I said up above – the uppity Negro didn’t know how to defer to authority, so he beat her down.

    • 36 EricFive
      July 22, 2015 at 1:35 pm

      That devil said that because it is unspoken but clearly understood that “arrogance” is only a capital offense for people of color.

    • July 22, 2015 at 3:37 pm

      There was no doubt that that was exactly the case but for him to feel free enough to say this out loud speaks to the way such attitudes have been sanctioned and encouraged by the lawmakers, pundits, media people, and other spokespeople who have refused to condemn them clearly at least since 2008 and the McCain campaign. Those thoughts and actions have always been around but had become socially unacceptable so they were repressed

  11. 38 Nena20409
    July 22, 2015 at 1:20 pm

  12. 39 Nena20409
    July 22, 2015 at 1:24 pm

  13. 40 Nena20409
    July 22, 2015 at 1:26 pm

  14. 41 Nena20409
    July 22, 2015 at 1:28 pm

  15. 42 Nena20409
    July 22, 2015 at 1:32 pm

    Since the Chattanooga attacks, there have been at least 3 different stories of involving 4-5 fatalities ignored by the national Press.

  16. 43 Nena20409
    July 22, 2015 at 1:34 pm

    Will the 🐻 be on the Loose while visiting his family members in ‘Africa’ ?
    These WHPC are just a bunch of Stupefied Idiots.

  17. 44 desertflower
    July 22, 2015 at 1:35 pm

    h/t to DU…Donna…It’s Scott Walker Own It Day!!

  18. 46 Nena20409
    July 22, 2015 at 1:36 pm

  19. 47 desertflower
    July 22, 2015 at 1:38 pm

    Magnificent and important, timely piece, LL. Thank you for posting…

  20. 48 Nena20409
    July 22, 2015 at 1:40 pm

  21. 49 EricFive
    July 22, 2015 at 1:52 pm

    If cops were suspected of at the minimum beating (at the maximum beating up and murdering) a young attractive White woman in town to start a new job at her alma mater, all because she supposedly failed to signal a lane change and was upset that she was pulled over, this story would be covered very differently by the media. No one would attempt to justify her murder or beating for talking back to the police. Race changes EVERYTHING in this country, and the racists will never admit it. I feel safe to assume that those attempting to blame Sandra Bland for her own murder would not condone THEIR wife, mother, or daughter being beaten and murdered by the police for talking back to the police. No, though it is unspoken, that treatment is reserved for Black people and everybody knows it. That is what makes that “All Lives Matters” nonsense so offensive, these people know better.

  22. 50 Nerdy Wonka
    July 22, 2015 at 1:57 pm

    Fantastic piece, LL.

    Stand out line for me: “This is why #BlackLivesMatter matters. Because black lives are the ones which are discounted, demeaned, diminished. If you can’t see that, that makes the movement even more urgent. And it won’t go away.”

    Ties in perfectly with how foolish Piers Morgan is being.

  23. 52 Nena20409
    July 22, 2015 at 2:08 pm

    LL, I have finally read this brilliant post.
    It was hard to read, to consume and to digest. Thoughtful, as always. Thank you.
    When I read pieces like this, I always am thrown back to what the Emperor of Ethiopia had to say before the UN in 1962. Many years later, Bob Marley used part of that Speech and turned it to a beautiful song……..War.
    Over the years, I have posted the song and speech here at TOD.
    Thank you, LL so very much.

  24. 53 Nena20409
    July 22, 2015 at 2:09 pm

  25. July 22, 2015 at 2:11 pm

    I really hope you will all watch the episode of “Britain’s Forgotten Slave Owners.” It pulls no punches on what horrors were inflicted by slavery.

  26. 56 Nena20409
    July 22, 2015 at 2:15 pm

  27. 58 57andfemale
    July 22, 2015 at 2:15 pm

    • 59 desertflower
      July 22, 2015 at 2:22 pm

      I don’t understand what this means…

      • 60 57andfemale
        July 22, 2015 at 2:33 pm

        White liberals can feel good supporting Sanders, but if the Presidency went to a Republican, their lives wouldn’t change that much. They can “afford” to support him, instead of working for a candidate who can really win.

        Sanders will never survive the socialist label. He’ll be another McGovern. His gun record is awful, he’s got a lot of work to do to get the AA vote (to be generous).

        The privileged white, well-off liberal can afford to be an idealist, but the rest of the country will suffer.

        Does that help, df?

  28. 62 Gazelle
    July 22, 2015 at 2:18 pm

    [Thanks LL. I think the following fits this post.]

    Though her family has asked people to “refrain from posting social media messages” about her case, Sandra Bland’s death on July 13, 2015, has sparked a trending hashtag on Twitter that shines light on the fate that befalls hundreds of people each year: #IfIDieInPoliceCustody

    The posts range from heartbreaking to revolutionary to biting. Here are a 11 that show just how much #BlackLivesMatter:


  29. July 22, 2015 at 2:25 pm

    Oh lord, Piers Morgan is the top trend on Twitter. Mission accomplished, Piers.

  30. 66 Nerdy Wonka
    July 22, 2015 at 2:27 pm

  31. July 22, 2015 at 2:41 pm

    Jim is so much fun!!!!

  32. July 22, 2015 at 2:42 pm

  33. 72 Gazelle
    July 22, 2015 at 3:01 pm

    [Good grief! This is wrong on so many levels!]

    The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is investigating footage featuring a gun-mounted drone built by a Connecticut teenager, according to reports. The video, posted on YouTube under the title, “Flying Gun,” shows what inventor Austin Haughwout calls “a homemade multirotor with a semi-automatic handgun mounted on it” firing into the woods. […..]

    As for Connecticut’s gun-wielding drone, Austin’s father, Brett, told NBC News that neither he nor his son violated any laws. He claims that they did “extensive research” before assembling the drone to make sure all was within the bounds of the law. The footage that shows the drone firing the weapon four times was shot on their property in Clinton, Conn., he added.

    And local police, while saying the device is alarming, don’t disagree: Though the Clinton Police Department was concerned for public safety when first alerted to the video, they appear to have concluded that the device does not violate any state law, ABC News reported.

    The FAA, however, is not as easily convinced. The agency “will investigate the operation of an unmanned aircraft system in a Connecticut park to determine if any Federal Aviation Regulations were violated,” a spokesman told CNET. “The FAA will also work with its law enforcement partners to determine if there were any violations of criminal statutes.” […..]


  34. July 22, 2015 at 3:06 pm

    Trump suppose to go to the Mexico broader tomorrow, maybe that drug kingpin who escape from prison will meet him there.

  35. 77 donna dem 4 obama
    July 22, 2015 at 3:07 pm

    I know that there is justifiable disdain for Hillary but this guy with all these unrealistic aspirations just plucks my nerves.

      • 79 donna dem 4 obama
        July 22, 2015 at 3:33 pm

        Okay I know this will sound sort of shallow and completely off topic but there is something unsettling about Sanders. The Devil you know is better than the Devil you don’t know. I cannot get a real feel for him. I watch his rallies. I follow all of the candidates and when he has these rallies his wife comes out on stage with him and he doesn’t even acknowledge that she is there. It’s the most bizarre thing ever….. I’ve wondered why she even comes out with him. He doesn’t hold her hand or in anyway acknowledge her. I know I cannot compare PBO and FLOTUS to other candidates but those two to me are just plain weird.

        • 80 misspat
          July 22, 2015 at 3:41 pm

          Not in love, maybe never was in love dear Donna. She gets money from his campaign funds too, I read that somewhere. Every time she arranges a venue she gets a consulting fee. Don’t know how to search and bring it here though.

        • July 22, 2015 at 3:55 pm

          I can hardly bear to listen to him for more than 5 minutes on the Senate floor. He just seems like a curmudgeon. As in, shouting at clouds. I really don’t understand the appeal to anyone grounded in reality of someone who is haranguing and squawking but never offering concrete remedies that have a snowball’s chance in hell of seeing the light of day. I can dream, too, but my dreams don’t look or sound like this!

          • 82 EricFive
            July 22, 2015 at 4:13 pm

            He is the left’s version of the anti-Obama. Emotional bordering on unhinged. Unwilling to compromise. Nothing to show after all those years in Congress.

    • 83 Linda
      July 22, 2015 at 3:26 pm

      Vermont tried to implement single payer and it was to costly…

      I wonder what Bernie has to say about that !


    • 85 57andfemale
      July 22, 2015 at 3:33 pm

      Bernie is getting on my last nerve. Seriously.

      • 86 misspat
        July 22, 2015 at 3:43 pm

        Mine too, I skip over articles about him. He has become stale already.

        • 87 57andfemale
          July 22, 2015 at 3:59 pm

          I don’t have the sound on when I’m at the office. I just saw a tweet from hardball(!) that showed Sanders clips. Without the sound, he looks deranged and mean – pointing his fingers, yelling (you can tell, even without the sound). I certainly believe a lot of what Bernie believes, but I’m sick of his petty attacks at PBO when he won’t be able to accomplish 1/100th of what he says he wants to do. Annoying the hell out of me.

    • 88 No Child Left Behind
      July 22, 2015 at 3:41 pm

      You are not alone, Donna. Should he be the last Democrat standing, I’ll vote for him but simply because I will never cast my vote for any Republican, particularly those from the current creed. But he still hasn’t lost his youthful idealism … well into 2015! Unless he dreams of being president à-la-Kim Jong-un.

    • 89 Vicki
      July 22, 2015 at 3:55 pm

      total loser. But huge crowds which I read as “somebody not named Clinton” give me hope for a VP Biden victory.

  36. 90 No Child Left Behind
    July 22, 2015 at 3:09 pm

    Good Lord! Did you hear the big Toddler, April???

  37. 92 donna dem 4 obama
    July 22, 2015 at 3:18 pm

    I ❤ VP Joe!

    • 93 GGail
      July 22, 2015 at 3:42 pm

      VP Joe is so cool 🙂
      If you look real close, you’ll see that the ice cream is upside down in a cup, not just in VP Joe’s hand.

  38. July 22, 2015 at 3:22 pm


    • 95 donna dem 4 obama
      July 22, 2015 at 3:27 pm

      4TH Quarter!!!

      Like he said last night, a lot of what we are seeing coming to fruition has been in the planning stages for months, even years.

    • 98 Nena20409
      July 22, 2015 at 3:38 pm

      At the WH presser today, all there questions pertaining to the closing of GITMO were highly Negative, filled with suspicions and with pronouncements of abject failures…….
      Josh stood his ground and emphasized on the number of detainees left and the Obstructionism of Congress from closing GITMO. He commented on cost……and that Extremists use GITMO as a recruiting tool.

    • 100 Nena20409
      July 22, 2015 at 3:44 pm

    • 101 Vicki
      July 22, 2015 at 3:46 pm


      This explains the front page NY Times article I cited in the Early Morning Chat.
      Title “President’s Plan for Gitmo is seen Faltering.”
      Faltering! my ass.
      PBO is Literally driving his enemies to insanity.

      This POS article (propaganda spew) begins with
      “President Obama is enjoying a winning streak lately…..but one longstanding goal continues to bedevil him.”

      As I said hAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    • July 22, 2015 at 3:47 pm

    • 108 Linda
      July 22, 2015 at 3:52 pm

      headline of NYT article

      bama’s Plan for Guantánamo Is Seen Faltering

      No…I didn’t forget the ” O “

      • 109 EricFive
        July 22, 2015 at 4:21 pm

        The MSM has to give something to the folks clinging to their great “disappointment” with PBO. What he accomplishes is minimized and the things he has not done take on a phony importance among his detractors. Issues are found to justify the dislike these haters already felt. If the past is any indication, the media talking of impending failure must mean PBO is about to score a huge victory regarding that issue (this time closing Guantanamo).

  39. 110 donna dem 4 obama
    July 22, 2015 at 3:36 pm

  40. 111 Nena20409
    July 22, 2015 at 3:39 pm

  41. 112 Nena20409
    July 22, 2015 at 3:41 pm

    🙂 🙄 🙂 🙄

    • 113 No Child Left Behind
      July 22, 2015 at 3:49 pm

      I look forward for his numbers to show up late in the primaries. I want THE DONALD as nominee.

    • 114 0388jojothecat
      July 22, 2015 at 4:06 pm

      These RWNJ radio hosts really think they are so important…more important than the people who elected Scott Walker who is STILL governor of a state and Ted Cruz who is supposed to be in the Senate obstructing government.

  42. July 22, 2015 at 3:49 pm

    • 116 GGail
      July 22, 2015 at 4:04 pm

      You tell it meta! 🙂

    • 117 0388jojothecat
      July 22, 2015 at 4:09 pm

      This is so funny…I was reading some of the comments and they really think that when Faux news readers announce something the president is doing it’s the first they heard of it not knowing PBO has been implementing stuff long before the news repeaters announce it.

  43. 118 Vicki
    July 22, 2015 at 3:49 pm

    LovelyPlains and LL and all other sports fans on TOD: Bill Simmons is coming to HBO. I would like to know what knowledgeable people think.
    I would not be shocked to hear that HBO also will welcome Keith Olbermann.

  44. 119 JER
    July 22, 2015 at 3:52 pm

    Federal hate crime charges filed against Dylann Roof in Charleston church massacre http://abc7.la/1SCyOzV

  45. 120 donna dem 4 obama
    July 22, 2015 at 3:58 pm

    LHM but I am not shocked or surprised by this!

  46. 126 desertflower
    July 22, 2015 at 4:15 pm


    Senate Bill May Kick 200,000 Off Social Security If They Have Arrest Warrant
    Most affected missed fines or don’t know warrant exists.

    July 22, 2015 at 4:17 pm


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