173 Responses to “Pain”

  1. 1 GGail
    June 18, 2015 at 4:43 pm

    Too much

      • 3 GGail
        June 18, 2015 at 4:46 pm

        Love you Chips! Thank you for allowing us to gather here. I am at work, yet I am too distracted to focus. I am pretty strong, but this has worn me out today. {{{Hugs}}}

        • June 18, 2015 at 4:50 pm

          I’m white, GGail, and this destroys me – so, not in one million years could I even begin to imagine how this makes African Americans feel. I am just so, so, so, so sorry for what people of my color have done to you. That sounds meaningless, I really just don’t know what to say. I’m sorry.

          • June 18, 2015 at 4:56 pm

            Thank you Chips. I feel the pain radiating from this picture. I am white too, and just do not understand the bias of color in our society — and I never have.

          • 6 GGail
            June 18, 2015 at 4:58 pm

            Chips, you know you can always find a way to make me smile. In my heart and in my mind, Chips, you are more black than Rachel Dolzal could ever be. ❤

          • 7 edp4bho
            June 18, 2015 at 4:58 pm

            Chips, you are bigger than the whole of the Congress, the Senate, most of the churches, and most presidents in your expression. I understand and respect your sentiment. I would do likewise if tables were turned. It has to start somewhere with brave individuals such as yourself. We are all responsible for peace.

          • 8 majiir
            June 18, 2015 at 5:12 pm

            We know that not all whites feel toward us the way that some do. You have both proven you possess the primary quality we need to create a more unified future—-the ability to look past one’s skin color and see the value of the individual, and for this, I thank you. Chips, you have created a haven on your blog where everyone feels accepted, respected, and comfortable, and J4O, you have done the same with your upbeat, informative posts. Both of you, along with the many other wonderful bloggers at TOD, have been a unifying force in these troubling times, and for that, too, I thank all of you. I know I haven’t been around much lately, but it’s because I’ve been remodeling my home and supervising landscape workers to get my yards in order. I’ll be so glad when I finish these projects. At this point, I’m waiting for my granite counter-tops to be installed while I’m re-painting my dining room. Thank goodness I decided to wait until I retired to begin this remodeling job.

          • 9 GGail
            June 18, 2015 at 5:31 pm

            Chips, your statement is one that should be made publicly by leaders like white members of the Supreme Court or Congress or even Governor’s (I am just so, so, so, so sorry for what people of my color have done to you.) This would be a start in the healing process.

            Instead, we hear excuses.

          • 10 Dudette
            June 18, 2015 at 6:05 pm

            Love you Chips! Really. Seriously.

          • 11 susanne
            June 18, 2015 at 6:28 pm

            thank you for putting this feeling into words, chips.

            there’s an attitude circulating that infuriates me: ‘hey, that all happened a long time ago, we’re not responsible for what our antecedents did’ etc. but it’s not the antecedents who are keeping the monstrosity of racism alive– it is the current population of america. and just because i don’t personally credit it or understand it, i have to accept that it’s people who look like me that make these horrible events happen.

            racism is alive, armed, and dangerous. and i am so, so sorry for all the vile acts of people of my color.

          • June 18, 2015 at 8:26 pm

            Chips, your feelings are not “meaningless.” They are full of empathy and humanity. As far as I am concerned, the cancer in our society, which has been resistant to change for more than four centuries, is not at all about white people. Rather it’s all about the pervasive doctrine/ideology/belief system of “White Supremacy.” It’s no wonder the SC terrorist murderer valorized the confederate flag, as well as the flags of Apartheid, SA and white supremacist minority government of Rhodesia. Sadly, until the majority of the people in America decide to confront, head-on, the doctrine of “White Supremacy,” heartbreaking tragedies like this one will be repeated over and over again.

          • 13 Betsy
            June 18, 2015 at 10:16 pm

            I am white too, and heartsick as well. There are no words😥😥😥

    • 14 Judith Fardig
      June 18, 2015 at 7:15 pm

      Hugs, GGail! Will be attending a vigil/ecumenical service at the Portland Bethel AME Church soon in hopes that love will eventually conquer hate.

  2. June 18, 2015 at 4:45 pm

    • 16 jackiegrumbacher
      June 18, 2015 at 5:19 pm

      I know that the idea of ‘heaven’ doesn’t resonate with everyone, but if there is one, I hope that all nine of those who had their lives taken from them yesterday find themselves in a special place, close to the God they were studying and worshiping in church.

  3. June 18, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    Twenty one years young with a heart so black filled with cancer , unbelievable

  4. 19 Vicki
    June 18, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    This photo of PBO and VPBiden is too much for me. I’m sobbing.

    • 20 jackiegrumbacher
      June 18, 2015 at 5:23 pm

      Vicki, every one here at TOD knows these two wonderful men are the most dedicated and truest public servants imaginable. They give their all for their country and they’re rewarded with hatred and contempt. Every day in this country is a lesson in the dimension of hate. I only hope we can one day summon enough love to drive out hate.

      June 18, 2015 at 5:26 pm

      THIS PHOTO….SAYS IT ALL………………………………

  5. 22 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 4:53 pm

    So much for any one person to bear

  6. 23 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 4:56 pm

    It seems Lindsay Graham has decides to help Dylan with his “lone wolf crazy person” defense. How very Presidential of him. Might work if he were running for President of the Confederacy.

    • 24 Dudette
      June 18, 2015 at 5:01 pm

    • 25 Jeff
      June 18, 2015 at 5:07 pm

      that guy looks completely evil.

    • 27 jackiegrumbacher
      June 18, 2015 at 5:25 pm

      Lindsay Graham is no more fit to be president than the local trash collector. He is so filled with biases and hatred that he barely qualifies as a human being.

      • 28 Dudette
        June 18, 2015 at 5:29 pm

        Hell I’d vote a collector over that jerk. At the trash collector made an honest living and worked hard the last few years. More than we can say about Lindsay.

      June 18, 2015 at 5:30 pm


    • 30 susanne
      June 18, 2015 at 6:33 pm

      i think you got it right– he is running for president of the confederacy. so are a lot of the rethug candidates. we’ve been ignoring the clown-car joke, but that’s a mistake– these issues are not funny, not a joke, and neither are the candidates. this is the most serious issue we face as a country, and the more we pretend the rethugs are silly idiots, the more space we give them to sow ignorance and racism.

    • 31 aquagranny911
      June 18, 2015 at 6:39 pm

      I don’t want to keep seeing this evil little man’s face all over the media any more. I want to see only the faces of the people whose lives he stole so that they are seared into the collective memory of our country. No offense to anyone here, least of all you, Dudette. I am more a lurker than a poster but I find looking at this person on too many tweets offensive. Sorry.

      • 32 Dudette
        June 18, 2015 at 6:46 pm

        No offense taken ag. I’m with you. We should be lifting up the people he stole from the world and their families. Keep scrolling down. Some lovely stories about the victims are emerging. They deserve our attention.

  7. 33 EricFive
    June 18, 2015 at 5:07 pm

    This is a tragic manifestation of what I have been talking about for a while now. I know I can be blunt and do not prefer to sugar coat the realities as I see them, so my comments concerning the plague of white supremacy in this country may have made some folks uncomfortable, but I welcome reasoned fact based debate (if what I say triggers your defense mechanism, you should ask yourself why). I know I am not alone in “feeling” or “sensing” that the racism against Black people in this country has been on the rise the past several years. PBO’s reelection was confirmation to many of these racists that they had indeed lost “their” America. In came the spread of laws designed to make it harder for Black people to vote. The media became more and more racist, giving Rudy Guilliani and others a platform to preach hate to throngs of pissed off white folks. Then the spike in state sanctioned murder of unarmed AAs by the police, with the media relishing its role as Devil’s advocate (they never met a cop they didn’t like and never met a Black victim they wouldn’t smear). In the political realm we had/have a large segment of the Democratic establishment lusting after white working class voters who (in a generational sense) abandoned the Dems because LBJ effectively ended de jure apartheid in the United States. They left the party due to it’s failure to adhere sufficiently to the doctrine of white supremacy, and Dem candidates for president want them back. Let that sink in. It is clear that the Dems will not challenge their racism, since racism is over in America, so says Bernie Sanders. So what actions will they take to go after the racist vote? Will it be Bernie Sanders blatant disrespect of African-Americans? Will Hillary revert to her 2008 version when times get tough (or maybe she can pick up trick from Elizabeth and call all Black folks “sexists” for not supporting her candidacy). I struggle for solutions, but the first step is to acknowledge the reality of the situation. White racism against Black people is not a problem Black folks can solve (at least not peacefully). All we can do is point it out to those who are not forced to personally endure its (negative) manifestations in everyday life in America (and hope they “believe” us. Hope they will one day SEE us).

    • 34 pkayden
      June 18, 2015 at 5:12 pm

      Well said, EricFive. Racism is part of the founding of this country. Between the attempted extermination of Native Americans to the enslavement and segregation of Black Americans to the xenophobia facing Latinos and the Islamophobia facing Muslims, this country must face its racist past and present. If not, our descendants will be enduring the racism that we face today long into the future. Something has got to change.

    • 35 GGail
      June 18, 2015 at 5:15 pm

      Thank you Eric…

      “White racism against Black people is not a problem Black folks can solve (at least not peacefully).

      All we can do is point it out to those who are not forced to personally endure its (negative) manifestations in everyday life in America (and hope they “believe” us. Hope they will one day SEE us).”

    • 36 MightyPamela
      June 18, 2015 at 5:21 pm

    • 37 jackiegrumbacher
      June 18, 2015 at 5:31 pm

      I 1000 percent agree with you, Eric. Change has to start with children who need to be taught to love each other and revel in their differences. We need to check ourselves every day and never, never, ever let a racist or dismissive comment pass, not matter what the social situation.

    • 38 Sandy1110
      June 18, 2015 at 7:36 pm

      Any time someone spouts the bs that ‘race relations have suffered under President Obama’, they need to be bluntly reminded that it’s not anyone’s responsibility to make racists NOT hate them.

      Race relations are worse because racists have been driven crazy by having a successful black President in the White House, and they’re taking it out on the black people they CAN get to.

    • June 18, 2015 at 7:48 pm

      Well said, EricFive!

  8. 40 GGail
    June 18, 2015 at 5:11 pm

    Is it true that the Confederate flag is not flying at half-staff?

  9. 42 donna dem 4 obama
    June 18, 2015 at 5:13 pm

  10. 43 Jeff
    June 18, 2015 at 5:15 pm

    South Carolina still flies the confederate flag and the state really wonders why crimes like this shooting spree happen? Just wow!

  11. 44 Nerdy Wonka
    June 18, 2015 at 5:17 pm

    So much pain on their faces. Time and time again they have to do this and shoulder this herculean task.

    I am thankful we have them at the helm and I send comfort their way.

  12. 47 JER
    June 18, 2015 at 5:24 pm

  13. June 18, 2015 at 5:25 pm

    Good afternoon / evening, friends.

    I’ve tweeted a bit, and in Spandan’s absence I’m maintaining the People’s View, so I put up a Charleston open thread. But mostly I’ve been diving into house projects to avoid the pain.

    As I tweeted, how many more times does America have to “lose its innocence” before it confronts its sins?

  14. June 18, 2015 at 5:28 pm

    And of course, now I come to find out that one of the dead was a librarian. Someone who devoted her life to her community.

  15. 58 Vicki
    June 18, 2015 at 5:37 pm

    I do not believe that Dylann acted alone. “lone crazy guy” theory is the preferred narrative of stone-cold racists.
    A vigorous deep investigation may make Dylann’s entire network own this horrifying act.
    Who was he on his way to see in North Carolina?

  16. 59 JER
    June 18, 2015 at 5:37 pm

  17. 60 Vicki
    June 18, 2015 at 5:39 pm

    Dylann Storm Roof. Doesn’t “Storm” have a white supremacy association of some kind? If this is nuts, please ignore me.

  18. 62 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 5:40 pm

    Know them… Say their names

  19. 67 donna dem 4 obama
    June 18, 2015 at 5:47 pm

  20. 76 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 5:56 pm

    • 77 GGail
      June 18, 2015 at 6:23 pm

      Thank you Ms Dill for saying something

      • 78 Dudette
        June 18, 2015 at 6:29 pm

        There ya go: If you see something, say something!

        Imagine the horror and guilt for her, if she hadn’t done so and he hurt or killed others!

        • 79 GGail
          June 18, 2015 at 6:37 pm

          And she almost didn’t follow through, but instead of going on to work, she turned around and continued to follow him till she saw the police cars approach. We thank God for good people like her and her boss. She called her boss, who kept her on the phone and on another phone called the Sheriff.

  21. 80 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 6:00 pm

  22. 81 GGail
    June 18, 2015 at 6:04 pm

    I went back to the previous Post because I wanted to hear this and I think we all should listen to this. It is Rev/Senator Pickney


    Pinckney was a revered leader in his community, and was considered a rising star in the South Carolina Democratic Party. But as this 2013 speech shows, he was also a thoughtful and moving advocate for the universal values of freedom and justice, someone who could articulate not only the benefits of liberty and equality, but also the price that was worth paying to achieve them.

  23. 82 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 6:14 pm

  24. June 18, 2015 at 6:15 pm

    Jim Crow laws still on the books in S.C., still flying the Confederate flag but the governor doesn’t know where the violence came from. Unfortunately, I’m not very calm at the moment.

  25. 90 donna dem 4 obama
    June 18, 2015 at 6:15 pm

    • 91 Vicki
      June 18, 2015 at 6:26 pm

      Yes, Donna.
      The idea is to distract people from their true enemies—the rich and greedy who are bleeding the rest of us dry.

    • June 19, 2015 at 4:53 am

      Donna, your tweet is absolutely spot-on. From Jan 20, 2009, the right wing media, but especially right wing talk radio, have relentlessly preached the false message that President Obama, aided and abetted by his non-white supporters, is on a mission to destroy the United States. We forget that even

  26. 93 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 6:15 pm

  27. 94 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 6:17 pm

  28. 96 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 6:20 pm

    And now in a prison stripes with orange shoes and being flown back to SC from Shelby, NC Municipal Airport.

  29. 97 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 6:22 pm

    • 98 carolyn
      June 18, 2015 at 6:36 pm

      The President has been mad about guns since Sandy Hook, if he listened. However, nothing was done, and after another one, nothing was done, and another one, and nothing was done…..this has just built up, and we all reach a tipping point. Did Eric notice the President also mentioned the “culture of this town” with regard to guns. I think he is thoroughly disgusted. Our country looks totally uncivilized with these mass shootings. I don’t tweet, but someone needs to tweet Eric with the reality about the President.

    • June 18, 2015 at 7:11 pm

      • 102 Dudette
        June 18, 2015 at 7:17 pm

        Wow! You read that way different from me. I don’t think he was blaming POTUS. I think he was explaining POTUS’ frustration. He knows well that it’s the crappy do-nothing Congress who refuse to act. You point about Congress is well-placed though.

    • June 18, 2015 at 9:00 pm

      Stupid tweet that has no basis in reality! Did this idiot listen to President after Sandy Hook? Is he not aware of the comprehensive gun reforms he urged Congress to enact?

  30. 106 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 6:23 pm

    Interesting how the Media has not been interested in this Terrorist’s family History?
    Who raised him? What are their background, ideologically?
    Who did he hang out with?

  31. 108 JER
    June 18, 2015 at 6:26 pm

  32. 109 donna dem 4 obama
    June 18, 2015 at 6:32 pm

    • 111 99ts
      June 18, 2015 at 7:04 pm

      My first thought when I woke to the news of his arrest. Not a mark on his body – He walked to the car/plane – he wasn’t dragged, he wasn’t beaten, he wasn’t pinned down with a knee in his back.

  33. June 18, 2015 at 6:38 pm

    The House just voted to repeal the Obamacare tax on medical devices, the funding that generates billions of dollars for the law.
    The final vote was 280-140, with 46 Democrats voting in favor. They are predicting it will also pass the Senate. This opens the door to degrading ACA even further.


    I am sick to my stomach.

    • 113 donna dem 4 obama
      June 18, 2015 at 6:50 pm

      I am beyond frustrated with the Democrats in Congress. If it weren’t for PBO… ugh ugh 😡

      • June 18, 2015 at 7:52 pm

        I got an email from the DSCC today. I had thought that I had already unsubscribed from their email list, but apparently, I had only unsubscribed from a particular campaign.

        At any rate, when I selected unsubscribed, I got a screen that asked that I continue to help the DSCC “support President Obama’s agenda.” The AUDACITY!!!

        In my comments on why I unsubscribed, I told them about their hypocrisy in that I had not seen their support of President Obama’s agenda in the 6-1/2 years he’s been in office, and if anything, they distanced themselves from his agenda. I also noted their passiveness, as well as their silence when the President was under attack.

      • June 18, 2015 at 9:04 pm

        I am with you, Donna! I’ve unsubscribed from all the e-mails from the promoters of Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton.

        • 116 catrst
          June 19, 2015 at 2:40 am

          Its a small action step but when there is a comment opportunity I let them know simply that I support the President’s efforts. Every group that sends me something related to thwarting the President will be unsubscribed.

    • June 18, 2015 at 6:51 pm

      Fortunately, meta, not enough votes to override what will certainly be a veto.

      • June 18, 2015 at 6:55 pm

        Yes, Bobfr, that’s true. I’m just out of my mind about what the Dems are doing to this President and to all of us. All in the name of powerful lobbyists. It’s disgusting.

        I’m sorry, it’s not my day.

      • June 18, 2015 at 6:57 pm

        That’s $25 BILLION cut out of ACA funding and they DID NOT vote for any replacement funding. This is INSANE.

        • June 18, 2015 at 7:16 pm

          part of their mission to defund obamacare…they will never stop…just as they continue to fight against SS and Medicare/Medicaid…food stamps….UI…Minimum Wage…etc…..this is who they are …

        • 126 Vicki
          June 18, 2015 at 7:21 pm

          Instead of going after The Confederacy, the Dems will target Obamacare. I guess they think they can win without sane white people.
          Not to mention Latinos and African-Americans.

    • 127 Don
      June 18, 2015 at 6:53 pm

      Oh well, let the gutting of the ACA begin.

    • 128 Dudette
      June 18, 2015 at 7:01 pm

      The President will never sign that, if it gets to his desk.

  34. 130 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 6:38 pm

    Chips / Nerdy, I think I’ve got a start for your next post. We should honor the victims by telling their stories. Details in this article.

  35. 131 Vicki
    June 18, 2015 at 6:43 pm

    Instead of the boilerplate “thoughts and prayers” from our politicians, I’d like to hear a pledge for action to stem the racism and dog whistles.
    Every candidate who wants to be President should be forced to come up with a plan to reverse the ugly tide.

    Dems who are veering towards the Southern Strategy, dog whistling to the white working class, should be dismissed out of hand. We can’t afford another day going where we are going.
    Liberal social views such as womens right to choose and marriage equality cannot be a sufficient reason to vote for any dem.
    Show me How you will work to tear apart the last vestiges of The Confederacy and then ask me for your vote.

    “We suck less than the GOP” did not work in 2010 or 2014 and it will not even come close to winning in 2016.
    Rant over.

  36. 139 donna dem 4 obama
    June 18, 2015 at 6:45 pm

  37. 140 desertflower
    June 18, 2015 at 6:46 pm


    The day after 21-year-old Dylann Roof allegedly shot and killed nine members of the Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, SC, Fox & Friends claimed congregants could have defended themselves if someone had a gun.
    But a timely study from the Violence Policy Center (VPC) concluded that guns are rarely used for defensive purposes. According to the most recent data that’s available, there were 8,342 criminal firearm homicides by private citizens (non-law enforcement members) in 2012 — as opposed to 259 justifiable homicides. In other words, there were 32 criminal homicides for every killing of a felon who was in the process of committing a crime. And 13 states reported zero justifiable homicides that year.
    As noted by VPC, the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) observed a similar trend in previous years. Between 2007 and 2011, 29,618,300 people experienced a violent crime, but only 235,700 — 0.8 percent — of victims used or threatened to use a gun in self-defense. Findings from both the VPC and NCVS supplement studies verifying that more guns lead to more crimes.

    • 141 Sandy1110
      June 18, 2015 at 7:07 pm

      Always with that idiotic defense.

      People watch too many movies. The average Joe is not Dirty Harry. They can’t even keep from shooting themselves in the arm or the ass when the gun is in their purse or their pocket.

      But if only everyone is armed, it’d be a Hollywood-style shootout with precision hits?

      Bullshit. They won’t even let the gun nuts walk around armed at GUN SHOWS.

      You have to have seriously fast reflexes to react, take a gun off safety (unless you walk around locked and loaded), and fire. I’ve fired a couple of guns.

      And in a situation where you’re at ease or otherwise off-guard and the intruder announces they’re there to kill? The shock factor takes away any reaction time. Unless you’re walking around with gun in hand like you’re in a police shooting gallery, you’re not going to know what hit you in a real-world situation.

  38. 142 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 6:50 pm

    Tywanza Sanders’ last Facebook post before he was killed was a quote from Jackie Robinson: “A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives.”

  39. 143 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 6:51 pm

  40. June 18, 2015 at 6:52 pm

    We always say that some folks don’t see Black folks as human. We got an example of that last night. It wasn’t just that he murdered him.


    What kind of evil sits with the victims for an hour?

    I honestly can’t get past that.
    I just can’t.
    For me, it’s the most unreal part of all of this.

  41. 147 donna dem 4 obama
    June 18, 2015 at 6:52 pm

  42. 152 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 6:53 pm

  43. 153 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 6:54 pm

  44. 154 donna dem 4 obama
    June 18, 2015 at 6:59 pm

  45. June 18, 2015 at 7:01 pm

    Remembering the Charleston church shooting victims
    A gunman opened fire and killed nine people during a prayer service on Wednesday at a historic African American church in downtown Charleston. Their stories are below. Read our coverage of the shooting.

    By The Washington Post
    June 18, 2015


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  49. 161 desertflower
    June 18, 2015 at 7:11 pm

    Remember when they laughed at Janet Napolitano?


    An officer from a large metropolitan area said that “militias, neo-Nazis and sovereign citizens” are the biggest threat we face in regard to extremism. One officer explained that he ranked the right-wing threat higher because “it is an emerging threat that we don’t have as good of a grip on, even with our intelligence unit, as we do with the Al Shabab/Al Qaeda issue, which we have been dealing with for some time.” An officer on the West Coast explained that the “sovereign citizen” anti-government threat has “really taken off,” whereas terrorism by American Muslim is something “we just haven’t experienced yet.”

  50. 168 arapaho415
    June 18, 2015 at 7:25 pm

    More on the confederate flag…

  51. June 18, 2015 at 7:35 pm


    Vice President Joe Biden will decide on White House run by August

    Vice President Biden may still run for President in 2016 and will announce his plans by August, according to a report.

    Two sources close to the Biden family told U.S. News that Biden may throw his hat into the race.

    Biden intends to decide definitively in July, according to Dick Harpootlian, former chairman of the South Carolina Democratic Party. The two last spoke 10 days before Beau Biden’s death in late May.

    “I think he was seriously considering it, but he was seriously distracted by Beau being in Walter Reed (National Military Medical Center),” Harpootlian told the site. “I haven’t heard anything to convince me to say that it wasn’t still something he was thinking about.”

    Vice President Biden spoke to reporters April 13 about a possible presidential bid.
    “I haven’t made up my mind on that. I have plenty of time to do that in my view,” he said. “If I am wrong, I’m dead wrong, but there’s a lot the President and I care about that has to get done in the next two, three months and when you run for President you’ve got to run for President, and I’m not ready to do that, if I am ever going to be ready to do that.”




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