Morning everyone, there just are no words.

101 Responses to “Morning”

  1. 1 jackiegrumbacher
    June 18, 2015 at 7:44 am

    Morning, Chips. There really are no words, just heartbreaking sadness at what this country has become. This is a day for tears and grief.

    • June 18, 2015 at 7:50 am

      {{{Jackie}}}} I just don’t know what to say, it’s too much. It feels like we’re back in the 50s, or earlier.

      • 3 jackiegrumbacher
        June 18, 2015 at 8:03 am

        Having lived through the fifties, I will say there is one difference between then and today and that’s the proliferation of guns. There have been racist murderers since the dawn of time and the brand of 50’s racism was raw, ugly and very visible, but every Tom, Dick, Harry and his three year old child did not go around fully armed with a stockpile of assault weapons. States with unlimited gun access and no controls create the environment for violence. Add to that an open acceptance of racist attitudes with confederate flags flying everywhere and you create a toxic stew.

  2. 5 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 7:45 am

    Hello TOD on a Thursday Morning.
    I have hardly slept all night. Just not on my right frame of mind.
    {{{{{ ❤ ❤ ❤ AME Community in SC ❤ ❤ ❤ }}}}}

  3. 6 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 7:45 am

    • 7 jackiegrumbacher
      June 18, 2015 at 7:59 am

      Nena, I don’t care two pennies what this racist assassin’s motives were. I want him captured and punished to the full extent of the law. I hope he never sees another day of sunshine.

  4. 9 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 7:50 am

  5. 10 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 7:52 am

    • 11 sherijr
      June 18, 2015 at 9:23 am

      the fbi should be able to get the license plate number from these photos I should think.

      June 18, 2015 at 9:59 am


      June 18, 2015 at 10:21 am


  6. 14 jackiegrumbacher
    June 18, 2015 at 7:57 am

    I wonder if the South Caroline state house will consider taking down it’s ugly confederate flag today. Wonder if any of them will think about their idiotic and dangerous gun laws. But I’m sure they won’t consider for one minute that the actions of the state itself create a climate of racist violence. Nothing will ever be their fault. And so it will happen again and again until we destroy any semblance of society in this country.

  7. 17 globalcitizenlinda
    June 18, 2015 at 8:01 am

    Sorry, but it is hard for me to say good morning this morniby. Terrible, hate-filled actions. To make matters worse, a few days ago, my gop-dominated state legislature started introducing laws to permit carrying guns onto campuses and into places of worship.

  8. 18 99ts
    June 18, 2015 at 8:03 am

    Led the 7pm news in my world with the introduction “Massacre by a racist terrorist”

    So much hate distributed to so many people – I do weep for those who must live through this again and again.

  9. 19 hopefruit2
    June 18, 2015 at 8:06 am

    G’morning Chips & TOD, and hugs to everyone. I am sick. I am tired. My heart goes out to the victims of this atrocious act of terrorism, and also to their loved ones.

  10. June 18, 2015 at 8:23 am

    Good morning. Was offline (no phone, internet, or cable) from 4pm yesterday – 6:30am this morning. Downside I was in the middle of a cross country project and had no way to exchange edits with my west coast colleague. Downside of digital phone service — in the olden days of hardwired landlines, an internet or cable outage would have only been an inconvenience, we could have exchanged edits via fax… The upside was being temporarily insulated from the madness in this country… My heart bleeds for Charleston…

  11. 21 hopefruit2
    June 18, 2015 at 8:26 am


  12. 22 hopefruit2
    June 18, 2015 at 8:29 am

  13. 24 hopefruit2
    June 18, 2015 at 8:34 am

    One small bit of good news…

  14. 26 hopefruit2
    June 18, 2015 at 8:44 am

  15. June 18, 2015 at 8:46 am

    For Charleston’s Emanuel A.M.E. Church, shooting is another painful chapter in long history
    By Sarah Kaplan June 18 at 5:03 AM

    When a gunman opened fire on Charleston’s Emanuel A.M.E. Church Wednesday, spraying bullets into a group of worshippers gathered for a mid-week prayer meeting, it was as though history repeated itself.

    This historic congregation, the oldest of its kind in the South, had already seen more than its fair share of tumult and hate. It was founded by worshippers fleeing racism and burned to the ground for its connection with a thwarted slave revolt. For years its meetings were conducted in secret to evade laws that banned all-black services. It was jolted by an earthquake in 1886. Civil rights luminaries spoke from its pulpit and lead marches from its steps. For nearly two hundred years it had been the site of struggle, resistance and change.

    On Wednesday, the church was a crime scene — the street outside aglow with the flashing red lights of police cars and echoing with the screech of sirens. Nine people had been killed there, reportedly including the church’s pastor, Rev. Clementa Pinckney, though police had not confirmed his death.

    “I do believe this was a hate crime,” Charleston Police Chief Greg Mullen said at a press conference early Thursday morning.

    To those watching in Charleston and from afar, it was devastating.

    “It’s not just a church. It’s also a symbol … of black freedom,” said Robert Greene, who studies the 20th century South at the University of South Carolina. “That’s why so many folks are so upset tonight, because it’s a church that represents so much about the rich history and tradition of African Americans in Charleston.”

    In Charleston, the church is affectionately known as “Mother Emanuel,” a nod to its age and its eminence in the community. It is a place people take pride in, said Rev. Stephen Singleton, who was pastor there from 2006 to 2010 — all soaring ceilings and fine pinewood floors, with an antique pipe organ that had been shipped from Europe more than a century ago.

    “They’re just God-fearing people,” Singleton said of his former congregation. “People who lived in modesty in light of the history of the congregation they called home.”

    That history is a long and storied one. The congregation was founded in the era of slavery by Morris Brown, a founding pastor of the African Methodist Episcopal Church. In 1816, frustrated with the racism he encountered in Charleston’s segregated churches, Brown decided to form a Church of his own. About 4,000 parishioners followed him — more than 75 percent of city’s black community, according to a history published by the College of Charleston.

    From the beginning, the congregation was a focal point of community organizing and anti-slavery activism — provoking fears and intense distrust among the city’s white population. According to a PBS documentary, white Charlestonians constantly monitored the church, sometimes disrupting services and arresting worshipers.


  16. 28 CEB
    June 18, 2015 at 8:48 am

    This systematic killing of African Americans that we have seen escalate in the past few years should be called what it is: genocide; and most of it is state sanctioned. Those who are looking for a reason know good and well what the reason is a blind hate A-A’s. In all of the sick racial history of this country the thing that has amazed me the most is the rabid hate that the oppressors have for those that they have oppressed. We have always been on the bottom, the last, the least of any socio-economic indicator that you can use. We have nothing, not even our lives. From chattel indeed to chattel in policy, we do not have any power over anything or anyone so why which such virulent hatred? We have the right to defend ourselves, our families and our communities; holding hands, praying and singing hymns are not a defense. War has been declared upon us and we need to engage.

  17. 30 Nerdy Wonka
    June 18, 2015 at 8:50 am

    This is horrific.

    May their peaceful and innocent souls rest in peace.

    • 31 jackiegrumbacher
      June 18, 2015 at 8:59 am

      If Nicky Haley wants to understand what’s happening in SC, she should look in the mirror. She’s promoted racists attitudes every day of her tenure–from the flying of the confederate flag to the systematic suppression of African American votes, to encouraging the proliferation of deadly weapons that even the criminal and demented can carry around with impunity.

  18. June 18, 2015 at 8:50 am

    Nothing good about it, but Morning, Everyone 😦

  19. 36 amk for obama
    June 18, 2015 at 8:57 am

    Is the american msm calling it for what it is, hate crime and rw terrorism?

    • 37 hopefruit2
      June 18, 2015 at 8:59 am

      No they’re busy looking for the “mental illness” angle…and Mark Knoller is busy tweeting about PBO’s upcoming fundraisers, FLOTUS’ trip abroad – you know, trying to get people to be upset with our PBO & FLOTUS in the wake of the Charleston terrorism….

  20. 40 hopefruit2
    June 18, 2015 at 8:57 am

  21. 41 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 8:59 am

  22. 42 amk for obama
    June 18, 2015 at 8:59 am

    And what the fuck did the police chief mean by white, “clean shaven” man?

    • 43 Dudette
      June 18, 2015 at 9:27 am

      Yep I wondered about that too. Maybe someone one confused another person who was there. I saw reports that a photographer was detained/questioned last night because he fit initial description, but was later let go.

    • 44 arapaho415
      June 18, 2015 at 9:43 am

      GM amk.

      I’m probably the least qualified to comment on SC, having never been there, but I think it just means he was beardless. Probably standard police description for suspect identification.

    • 45 Dudette
      June 18, 2015 at 10:00 am

      Or dude could have walked in wearing a wig (for the cameras) and took it off when he was inside.

  23. 46 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 9:00 am

  24. 47 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 9:00 am

  25. 48 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 9:01 am

  26. 50 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 9:01 am

  27. June 18, 2015 at 9:02 am

    Where are black people safe? Where?

  28. 52 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 9:02 am

  29. 53 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 9:04 am

  30. 54 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 9:04 am

  31. 55 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 9:05 am

  32. 56 sherijr
    June 18, 2015 at 9:08 am

    I just barely read about this horror as I turned on my computer this morning. I am so sorry for these people, their families and loved ones. I cannot understand people who do this sort of thing. Heartbreaking and cruel.

  33. June 18, 2015 at 9:14 am

    STEVE HUFF @SteveHuff

    Fellow white folk: do not allow anyone to equivocate on Charleston. A white man shooting up a historic black church in prayer is terrorism.

  34. 58 GGail
    June 18, 2015 at 9:29 am

    I’m in shock this morning.
    My tv news report stated that he was overheard saying as he reloaded that he had to do it to stop the rape of white girls and killing by blacks.

    Where would someone his young age get such ideas of hate???

    • 59 Dudette
      June 18, 2015 at 9:43 am

      Yep. Someone that young didn’t just come up with that. This was fed to him, taught to him.

  35. 60 99ts
    June 18, 2015 at 9:37 am

    There are supreme court opinions due today – shame there wasn’t one on whether racism no longer exists in the US states.

  36. 63 Dudette
    June 18, 2015 at 9:41 am

    • 64 arapaho415
      June 18, 2015 at 9:44 am

  37. 65 Vicki
    June 18, 2015 at 9:51 am

    I have MSNBC on and they are very clear—Hate crime. Act of domestic terror.
    Since the Pastor was also an elected official, we can also say it is an assassination.

    This hate is so deeply embedded in American life. What is needed, at the very least, is a coordinated attempt on all fronts, the obvious insults as well as the unspoken ones.
    By which I mean, as a start—Confederate Flags are to be flown only inside private homes. You can’t smoke in public in many places. The Confederate Flag is at least as dangerous to the public.

    This horror reminds me in a bad way of the Orthodox Jew who shotup a mosque in Jerusalem. 19 casualtie, I think.
    The entire world saw that as a mass murder by a hate-filled lunatic.
    Orthodox Jews—-in stark contrast—– celebrate him as a hero. To this day.

    America has to do much better. I will continue to hope that this ugly slaughter will be responded to with steely-eyed resolve.
    And that as a country we will make meaningful change happen immediately.

  38. 66 arapaho415
    June 18, 2015 at 9:52 am

    GM TODville.

    Another sad, shocking day — despicable bigotry hate and slaughter of good, caring, welcoming people. Unspeakable evil.

    Posted this at 2am east coast time last night.

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    Shocked, stunned about the cold-blooded intent of this murderer, especially after seeing the history of this church, in that most genteel of Southern towns (I’ve never been to SC, but I’ve read articles about Charleston).

    We felt a similar chill and disbelief after Sandy Hook, but this seems somehow worse.

    With too many reporters chasing too few 2016 stories, I wonder if the MSM will be compelled to push back on the gluttonous excess of the NRA?

    Tucson happened before the 2012 campaign was in full swing, Sandy Hook happened the month after the 2012 election.

    Will the NRA-fearing GOP clown show be confronted about this carnage? Didn’t TX open-carry on college campuses and other public places (like churches and libraries) take effect yesterday?

    Repeating this tweet posted by J’OB upthread [on last night’s overnight thread]:

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    Will the MSM defy the NRA this time? (not holding my breath, but it’s beyond ridiculous for multi-magazine assault weapons to be publically available and legal anywhere on earth.

    • June 18, 2015 at 10:00 am

      So any crazy ass racists white person can go get guns without any problems. But if black folks were buying guns in large numbers the law would be changed and in a hurry.

  39. 68 arapaho415
    June 18, 2015 at 9:59 am

    The Post and Courier gets this right — will the national MSM step away from pursuing “Islamic extremist terrorism” and recognize what is staring them in the face and is endured/suffered by non-Europeans on a daily basis in this country?

  40. 69 0388jojothecat
    June 18, 2015 at 10:01 am

    {{{{{{My TOD Family, Chipsticks and the family/friends whose loved ones lost in the racist terror attack in Charleston}}}}}

    There needs to be an ALL OUT International Boycott of ALL States/Businesses/Colleges that have Open Carry Laws. I would never spend a dime in a state that has it nor send my child to a college that allows it on campus. If they want to live like barbarians then close them off. There needs to be a Federal removal of money to states that allow this carnage.

  41. 70 Nerdy Wonka
    June 18, 2015 at 10:08 am

    Wearing Apartheid-era South-African flags on his jacket

  42. June 18, 2015 at 10:10 am

  43. 80 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 10:20 am

    Yep, sure enough, BuzzFeed ID’ed this Terrorist already.

  44. 81 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 10:21 am

  45. 82 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 10:22 am

  46. 83 desertflower
    June 18, 2015 at 10:23 am

    He got the gun as a birthday present. A thing that kills is a present. Fucked up.

  47. 84 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 10:23 am

  48. 85 Vicki
    June 18, 2015 at 10:24 am

    SCOTUS announced 3 decisions today. None of the most watched ones.

  49. 86 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 10:24 am

  50. 87 99ts
    June 18, 2015 at 10:27 am

    I am watching the Scotus Blog – nearly every decision is 5:4 – not always on the partisan lines. It seems a little crazy that such major decisions can be made by a majority of one. No wonder SCOTUS is the reason the political leanings of the President is SO important. Such a shame there doesn’t seem to be a non-political justice system

  51. 88 Vicki
    June 18, 2015 at 10:28 am

    I hope this time we take action against the hate filled society that bred the mass murderer. Not make the crime all about the individual.
    If we go after domestic terrorists with the same vigor we’ve shown against those of the Muslim faith, we will get a better result.

    The fact we haven’t done that indicates consent to hate crimes. Silence is consent. So is blame-shifting. “mental illness.”

    MSNBC still going with unknown assassin. WTF?

  52. 89 Nerdy Wonka
    June 18, 2015 at 10:28 am

    • 90 desertflower
      June 18, 2015 at 10:32 am

      I don’t know this kid, but really? HIS FAMILY SHOULD!! Emblems on his jacket, in a damn swamp, and look of anger and disgust on his face. PERFECT kid to give a damn gun to! WTF!

  53. June 18, 2015 at 10:28 am

    • June 18, 2015 at 10:39 am

      Now let’s see what Boehner, McConnell and the clowns on the GOP side running for president have to say. And I want to see what Bernie Sanders has o say also.

  54. 93 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 10:29 am

    BBC has the News and CNN in GA, a state next to SC has Nothing?

  55. 94 Nerdy Wonka
    June 18, 2015 at 10:30 am

    • 95 Nena20409
      June 18, 2015 at 10:37 am

      And yet, he was driving a car designed and possible made in Korea?
      His racist terrorist hate is just for skin color?
      How evil.
      He is Not ill. He is not mental. It is not a lone wolf. He is an effing Domestic Terrorist, period!

  56. 96 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 10:31 am

    At 9:30 AM CT, CNN has finally reported his name…..
    The Most untrusted Network in the News Media.

  57. 98 Linda
    June 18, 2015 at 10:33 am

    Shooter was arrested in February on drug charges and in April for trespassing.

    Then….he got a gun for his birthday ?

  58. 99 Nena20409
    June 18, 2015 at 10:34 am

    News that should also be told.

  59. 100 desertflower
    June 18, 2015 at 10:35 am

    News to smile about:)

  60. June 18, 2015 at 10:36 am

    re-posting idion comments from previous thread

    June 18, 2015 at 2:30 am
    Think Obama administration, the creame de la creame of any management system. So here’s what’s likely happening. The President was notified shortly after the police learned one of the dead was a state senator. The state senator’s murder is considered an assassination. DHS Secretary and AG Lynch were also notified, prior to PBO. They have all had at least one conference call. FBI and DHS folks are on the ground. You can also expect the NSA is involved, which means they know who he is and probably his general location. They know about his family and friend connections, his criminal record, his mental health and school history and work history. They have also identified any others who may have helped facilitate his act of terrorism. THey have tracked his movement sover the last 72 hours. Those who have learned PBO know that he always works with his cards close to the vest until he has sufficient information to act or speak. I imagine his speech writers are working right now to prepare his statement as well as one for AG Lynch. I trust PBO in all things and under all circumstances.

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