On #RaceTogether and conversations we don’t have

Earlier this week, Starbucks—in a misguided PR stunt—announced that it would direct its employees to initiate conversations on race with customers.

The company received much derision for this initiative. It seemed less of an honest effort to engender difficult conversations than as a way to make the company look good to its core clientele. And the idea of forcing $8/hr baristas to initiate fraught conversations with people who might either not be receptive or violently hostile had an air of feudal lords imposing extra work on their serfs.

If Starbucks were truly interested in starting discussions on race, one place to start would be why its executive positions are staffed mostly by whites.

However, the hamhandedness of #RaceTogether does bring up one glaring point: We ignore the elephant in the room.

The election of Barack Obama gave too many of us the self-satisfaction that we were beyond racial animus. “Hey, we elected a black guy!” All throughout the 2008 campaign, as Sen. Obama marched to the nomination, and then the Presidency, I had one name in the back of my mind: David Dinkins.

Mr. Dinkins was the first black mayor of New York City. And he was torn down in such a fashion by political opponents, with barely-concealed racial overtones, that it led to Rudy Giuliani sweeping in and defeating him in the subsequent mayoral election. My greatest fear for President-elect Obama was that he would be Dinkinized, made to look an affirmative action hire, not up to the job.

Of course, I didn’t know then what I know now: that Pres. Obama is in fact a singular individual. His opposition has in fact tried to Dinkinize him, but has failed spectacularly. The Obama caricature does not jibe with the Obama reality. New York’s first black mayor was run out on the rails. America’s first black president won re-election handily.

But, far from heralding the end of the race question, Pres. Obama’s tenure in office has ejected it out into the open. Peruse any of the more salient parts of the right wing blogosphere and criticism of Pres. Obama is almost always based on race. That criticism then extends to African Americans as a whole. The President’s election hasn’t heightened racial animus; it just brought it out of its hole, as racial bigotry merged with the traditional American distrust of the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. to forge a whirlwind of racial demagoguery.

The conversations on race which this country desperately need shouldn’t be instigated by underpaid coffee house employees. Those conversations should begin around the kitchen table of a white family whose paterfamilias drops casual racist comments. They should take place on the comment boards of the right wing blogs, where opposition to a disliked President (which is traditional American orneriness) transmutes by the philosopher’s stone into a miasma of racial hatred and resentment. They need to happen in editorial rooms, where a black unarmed teenager is described as life-threatening and deserving to be shot down in the street, but a white skinhead on a murder spree is captured alive and without incident and not painted as a terrorist.

There are many painful conversations we have to have in this country. Expecting a poorly-paid employee to engage in them as part of his job is indicative of the unseriousness with which we treat this need. If Starbucks had been genuine in fostering such conversations, its executive officers should have visited churches, both black and white, and speak to the noxious racial atmosphere prevalent in this country. It should have lobbied Congress to fix the Voting Rights Act gutted by the Supreme Court. It should have promoted people of color to executive positions within its company. It should have done many things besides engage in limp public relations.

The need for honest conversations about race is great. The solutions being offered so far are less than useless, but actively harmful.


136 Responses to “On #RaceTogether and conversations we don’t have”

  1. 2 GGail
    March 20, 2015 at 4:01 pm

    Couldn’t believe nobody beat me on First 😳

  2. 5 GGail
    March 20, 2015 at 4:05 pm

    LL, my point exactly, thank you!

    • March 20, 2015 at 4:23 pm

      I mean, if I were a barista, and I subsisted on tips from my clients, why would I gleefully engage in racial discussions with them? That’s what struck me the most when I read about #RaceTogether. It was a way for a group of rich white people to make themselves better by sloughing off the work to their minimum wage minions.

      • 7 GGail
        March 20, 2015 at 4:41 pm

        Yup. I just couldn’t believe that a large corporation would present something that was so piss-poor thought out. It’s like giving a tax-deduction donation to the homeless organization for a Thanksgiving meal and thinking you’ve cured homelessness 😯

  3. 8 arapaho415
    March 20, 2015 at 4:13 pm

    GA, LL, another thought-provoking essay.

    Posted this in last night’s overnight thread:

  4. March 20, 2015 at 4:16 pm

    Thanks so much for this LL, it’s been a sobering day – I didn’t see Linda’s account of her experience until I read Nerdy’s DM this morning. Gut-wrenching.

  5. 14 arapaho415
    March 20, 2015 at 4:16 pm

    Let’s start with those in power, in places like #Dallas, #NC and #StateCollegePA.


    • 15 arapaho415
      March 20, 2015 at 4:32 pm

      #Dallas, continued…

      from the editorial:
      “[] …it was two young men from two of the Dallas area’s best high schools who led the way as Sigma Alpha Epsilon members and their dates skidded Saturday night into an intersection of privilege, alcohol, racism and youth.”

      snip /

      “But let’s face it: Among the hallmark qualities of the young male is his inability to practice empathy and his penchant for jackassery”

      snip /

      “We do know the right message to send our kids: Respect the dignity of others. Work to assure that everyone gets a fair shake. Stand up in the face of hurtful behavior.

      We must embolden youths with the knowledge that they have much more power in these matters than they realize.”

      And speaking of #whitepower, #white elites. It looks like the PSU frat had some fancy digs, not just a row house in town:

    • 16 arapaho415
      March 20, 2015 at 4:32 pm


  6. 17 jackiegrumbacher
    March 20, 2015 at 4:17 pm

    LL, I’m trying to remember anytime in my lifetime when Americans have been “honest” about any issue. Americans tend to avoid discussions that involve ideas or attitudes and have a difficult time with nuance. We are, in general, great on winners/losers, us against them, black and white thinking, but the reasoned back and forth between groups of people engaged in ideas is rare, indeed. You could go to Paris, London, or Rome and hear earnest conversations about government, international affairs, and relationships among ethnic groups, but outside of a very few college campuses in the US, we tend to avoid confrontations involving words in favor of fists, knives or guns. A discussion of race, which would involve delving into both the American consciousness and historical biases would be an amazing and miraculous thing to have happen, but I fear it would involve such a radical transformation of the American character as to be almost impossible. We are, quite frankly, too immature.

    • March 20, 2015 at 4:21 pm

      Funny you should mention London, Rome, and Paris. The rise of xenophobic RW parties in Europe is tied directly to the increase in immigration over the past few decades. They’re going to need to have those conversations as well, and so far have proven as inept at it as are we, leading to Marie Le Pen and UKIP being real things.

    • March 20, 2015 at 5:25 pm

      And afraid of what we may find

  7. March 20, 2015 at 4:17 pm

    Thank you LL.

    You put down exactly what I was thinking, far more eloquently than I would.

  8. 22 Judith Fardig
    March 20, 2015 at 4:18 pm

    Yay for GGail! Conversations about race and white privilege ARE difficult, but we won’t progress unless we engage in them with our friends, neighbors, relatives, etc.

    • 23 GGail
      March 20, 2015 at 4:23 pm

      Thanks Judith, and I’ve found that it’s hard to do with some, but not all of my white friends without them becoming defensive.

      • 24 GGail
        March 20, 2015 at 5:15 pm

        Judith, you just made me think of a situation!

        So, you were telling us on the last thread, that you would need to notify your neighbors that two young men would be coming to visit with you for a while. And from your description of the reason for the visit, we can assume that these two talented young men are black. Judith, if these two talented young men were coming to visit you for a few days and they were Caucasian, do you think you would have given any thought to notifying your neighbors of their impending visit? My guess is that you would not.


        Your neighbors may be oh-so liberal. And they might have voted TWICE for PBO, however, you still feel the need to give them advance notice of two young men of AA descent who will be coming into the neighborhood.

        And this is not condemnation, just merely observation from MY point of view.

        • 25 Judith Fardig
          March 20, 2015 at 8:24 pm

          Dear GGail, you have a valid point. I actually do not yet know the race of my guests, but Monte is probably AA because he’s playing the part of one of the Orioles who were. I would and have written to the list serve about previous long-term house guests who were white or Asian as well as the two AA teenaged girls who lived with us during a previous show. A few people in this neighborhood are hyper about about anyone they don’t know. It wasn’t this way before an ugly white pedophile stalked and nearly raped a young teenager down the block two years ago. Nevertheless, I can see that my post came off as obnoxious, and I regret that.

          Don’t ever hesitate to call me out on unconscious racial bias. At the risk of sounding overly defensive, my conscious motivation was to invite people to meet our new house guests and not have anyone treat them like they don’t belong here. Thanks for sharing your point of view.

          • 26 GGail
            March 20, 2015 at 9:15 pm

            Dear Judith had you mentioned list serve in your comment it would have changed the tenor totally. Thank you for having this dialogue with me.

            • 27 Judith Fardig
              March 20, 2015 at 9:40 pm

              Thanks for trusting that I would hear you with open ears. At a time when Global Citizen Linda needed the support and attention of TOD, I should not have been an attention-grabber. 🙂

  9. March 20, 2015 at 4:37 pm

    Some sunshine on a dark day:

  10. 38 arapaho415
    March 20, 2015 at 4:39 pm

    DF and I had a disagreement moons ago about #Starbucks.

    She enthusiastically touts their financial support of students (my cynical opinion: ensures a turnover of young, peppy, baristas), while I avoid them like the plague because I dislike their hipster trendiness/exclusive lingo and their (IMHO inflated) price-points.

    However, in their defense, they may have clumsily tried to enter this conversation, which IMHO was a mistake because it’s too personal a topic — it might work if most customers weren’t in a rush to get to wherever they need to be after their morning java.

    18 months ago:

  11. 39 vcprezofan2
    March 20, 2015 at 4:44 pm

  12. 40 jacquelineoboomer
    March 20, 2015 at 4:48 pm

  13. 41 MightyPamela
    March 20, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    LL, always getting it done

  14. March 20, 2015 at 4:57 pm

    “The President’s election hasn’t heightened racial animus; it just brought it out of its hole, as racial bigotry merged with the traditional American distrust of the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. to forge a whirlwind of racial demagoguery.”

    Yes! It drives me nuts to read someone say that Obama is racially diving this country. On which planet? Not the on I’m on.

    Excellent post!

    • March 20, 2015 at 5:21 pm

      Would they say that Martin Luther King racially divided the country ? That Jacquie Robinson racially divided the country ?

      That Harvey Milk “religiously” or “socially” divided the country ?

      The use of this kind of language makes me nuts too. Because it implies some sort of guilt.

      Usual tactic of bullies to blame the victim.

      The bigots can’t be convinced to change behavior. But at least we should push back against media people who are not careful about their wording. They have to be criticized each and every time their way of saying things looks like Barack Obama is guilty of something.

      • March 20, 2015 at 5:54 pm

        In the 60s that’s exactly what they were saying, that MLK was responsible for racial divisiveness in the US. I remember it well.

        • March 20, 2015 at 6:35 pm

          Right there Bill!! I saw a clip of MLK on the old Mike Douglas Show a few years back. The response of the predominately White audience was lukewarm at best. When the camera panned you could see some real hostility in their faces.

  15. 50 GGail
    March 20, 2015 at 4:58 pm

    Let’s squelch some gossip…

    Yesterday, when Pete posted his tweet of PBO showing the desk to Charles & Cam, someone on the tweet commented that PBO didn’t have his ring on. So I went & looked at his St. Paddy pic and the ring is not there either, then I remembered once when it disappeared, it was out for repairs and cleaning.

    Y’all remember – don’t cha? I know it was some valid reason. Feel free to provide said reason 🙂

  16. 59 Linda
    March 20, 2015 at 5:11 pm

    CNN= Israeli State Run TV

  17. 60 Nena20409
    March 20, 2015 at 5:28 pm

    Thank you for this post. Wow!
    GGail, Au and Ag ⭐ winner…..possible the Bronze too. Congrats.
    When someone hurts another……the one who did wrong would usually seek for forgiveness, search and ask for what the perceived injury…especially when one was not so sure, atone and rectify with corrective measures.
    Only in Racism, Bigotry and Prejudice afflicted on African Americans are somehow and always treated timidly. Life as we were taught started in Africa……..yet a sizable bunch work harder in Making Black and Brown color their most least accepted pigmentation.
    Nature weeps.

  18. 62 Nena20409
    March 20, 2015 at 5:45 pm

  19. 63 Nena20409
    March 20, 2015 at 5:48 pm

    • 64 Jeff
      March 20, 2015 at 5:50 pm

      where is the republican collective fear and the media constantly spinning this. Shouldn’t it be front page news every single day?

      • 65 Nena20409
        March 20, 2015 at 6:01 pm

        2014 Midterm Election is over.
        Note the little coverage of the two Ebola Patients brought back from Serra Lone. The 10 that are in secluded managed and monitored housing. The Media is Not doing the over the top now for their goal in 2014 was to get GOPers elected.

      • 66 Nena20409
        March 20, 2015 at 6:09 pm

        Election of 2014….Media did all they could to change the outcome…..GOPers were not winning until EBOLA and ISIL dominated the News cycle.

  20. 67 57andfemale
    March 20, 2015 at 5:50 pm

  21. 68 JER
    March 20, 2015 at 5:53 pm

  22. 69 arapaho415
    March 20, 2015 at 6:01 pm

    GA TODville, happy first day of Spring!

  23. 70 Nena20409
    March 20, 2015 at 6:07 pm

    March 20, 2015 at 6:17 pm


  25. March 20, 2015 at 6:51 pm

    Starbucks…doubles down

  26. March 20, 2015 at 7:00 pm

  27. March 20, 2015 at 7:19 pm

    What’s going on is that liberals are being hoodwinked by this and other grifters who know it’s far too easy to rile up the Left’s hair on fire crowd to feel like they are relevant in the national conversation again or to plain raise money or sell books. What’s going on is someone who is displaying all these knee-jerk anti-Obama Republican traits is selling themselves as a voice of progressives.

    What’s going on is too many of us on the left is lapping it up without question. Shame on Reich, and shame on us for allowing him to get away with his grifting.

    • 85 jacquelineoboomer
      March 20, 2015 at 7:36 pm

      I, too, flip flop on whether or not Reich is a grifter. I have determined that nothing he says is, basically, worth my time. Recently, for instance, I think he wrote something pro-Obama, but, pass the salt, nah. No credibility.

    • March 21, 2015 at 3:05 am

      There’s a whole cauldron of lefty’s with their hair on fire over the TPP. Not sure they have their facts straight, or even any viable alternatives.

      • March 21, 2015 at 8:51 am

        ok…the emo folks are often at odds with the president…either he has done too little or he was too late…i sense an uneasiness about Trumka and his relationship with the President…i really would like to know why he is not in agreement with the TPP…

  28. March 20, 2015 at 7:34 pm

    “By now it’s a Republican Party tradition: Every year the party produces a budget that allegedly slashes deficits, but which turns out to contain a trillion-dollar “magic asterisk” — a line that promises huge spending cuts and/or revenue increases, but without explaining where the money is supposed to come from.

    But the just-released budgets from the House and Senate majorities break new ground. Each contains not one but two trillion-dollar magic asterisks: one on spending, one on revenue. And that’s actually an understatement. If either budget were to become law, it would leave the federal government several trillion dollars deeper in debt than claimed, and that’s just in the first decade.”

    Trillion Dollar Fraudsters
    Paul Krugman


  29. March 20, 2015 at 7:41 pm

    That’s what I’m talking about!!

  30. March 20, 2015 at 7:47 pm

    “Until now, Washington has always acted as Israel’s diplomatic protector, blocking hostile resolutions at the UN and the like. Now the White House, still smarting over Netanyahu’s Republican address to a Republican Congress, wants to remind Netanyahu that such support is not unconditional. The core message, and it should not be delivered by the US alone, would be simple. It would say, of course the world has to respect the decision of the Israeli electorate. But if this is the path Israel is taking, there will be consequences. If Israel is effectively ruling out a Palestinian state – and given that it rejects a one-state solution whereby Israel absorbs millions of Palestinians and gives them the vote – then it has committed itself to maintaining the status quo, permanently ruling over another people and denying them basic democratic rights. And that is a position the world cannot accept.

    Such a stance might entail US withdrawal of diplomatic cover. It might mean tougher European sanctions of the kind proposed in Friday’s EU report on settlement activity in East Jerusalem. It could mean a growing shift towards divestment and sanctions, targeted at the occupation, without the polarising tactic of boycott that tends to alienate as many potential supporters as it recruits.

    Whatever form they take, there will be consequences for Netanyahu’s actions. He was ready to sink to a new low to save his skin, but it will be Israelis – and their Palestinian neighbours – who pay the price.”

    Netanyahu sank into the moral gutter – and there will be consequences
    by Jonathan Freedland


    • March 20, 2015 at 7:59 pm

      “But it’s too late. I know of at least one European leader who now says privately that Netanyahu’s “credibility is shot” and that “no one will want to work with him”. And in the fellowship of world leaders, that will not be a minority view.”


    • 99 MightyPamela
      March 20, 2015 at 9:06 pm

      There absolutely MUST BE consequences, it is the only way to curb what has become intolerable cruelty. No more looking the other way, no more funding the brutality and inhumanity.

  31. March 20, 2015 at 7:50 pm

  32. 101 desertflower
    March 20, 2015 at 7:58 pm

    I’m in the minority here and that’s fine. Starbucks tries to make people begin a conversation about a difficult topic…difficult, especially, for white people to acknowledge, much less have. Most people’s response is like the one here. ” You’re doing it wrong!” “Lame idea” Well, I think you may be missing the entire point of the exercise. The point is not to have some $8/hr barista lecture you on the nature of race relations in America today,the point was to start a conversation and get people talking…engaging in SOME way about a difficult topic. Even if the conversation starts out like, ” Starbucks sure stepped in it this time with their lameass idea to talk about race… Guess what? YOU JUST STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT!! It can be as short, long, detailed or in passing as it needs to be…the conversation begins with each one of us. I hear everything you’re saying and don’t necessarily disagree with all of it…but to have someone make an attempt, and you tell them nice try but you’re doing it all wrong…is well, wrong.

    If we put perfect criteria on this conversation, it will never happen. Once again, people will give themselves permission to never have this discussion in America. We’ll just fall back to our easy, discriminatory, hurtful ways…oblivious to the pain, suffering and shear terror that we have caused so many to live through because we white folks are afraid to have this conversation. Again. Still.

    How can you read globalcitizenlinda’s terrifying experience and not feel angry and terrified and mortified that this can STILL happen here? How? And you’re mad that Starbuck’s didn’t do this right?? Are you kidding me right now?!

    Black men’s bodies swing from a tree, and you’re mad at Starbuck’s because “they did this wrong?”

    Black children, minding their own business, walking home or walking across campus and they end up beaten and bloody, and Starbuck’s “did this wrong?”

    Time and time and time again. These are no longer isolated incidents that pop up once a year…these horrific incidents are becoming a DAILY OCCURRENCE and it frightens me and keeps me awake at night wondering what I can do to help make it better. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN TO ME. I was born with the “right” color skin. I hear the terror of my AA single mom friend…who is trying her best to raise 3 boys on her own. I have had that talk with her as she sobbed on the phone to me about the hatred and bigotry and discrimination that she faced with her children. She moved out of this white neighborhood that she moved to to be at a good school for her kids…until they got bullied and threatened…she moved away to keep them safe. Over and over again she would repeat that this is 2013 or 2014…why are we STILL doing this!! She served our country in the Air Force…she did not think that she had the hardest battle to fight at home, rather than Iraq. My heart aches for her and her beautiful, beautiful boys.

    Starbucks did it wrong, though. So, let’s just make fun of the lame attempt and wait for the ” perfect” time to bring this up. The Supreme Court already told us that it’s over and there’s no issues with voting rights or race relations in America right now. All good.

    Starbuck’s won’t back down from this. Why should they? One way or the other, they WANT us to start this conversation and aren’t afraid to not back down or see where this leads us. I’m inclined to listen and engage. One thing we can’t tolerate, is waiting any longer for this difficult conversation to take place in America. Lives depend on it. There is not a moment to waste. Carpe Diem.

    • 102 amk for obama
      March 20, 2015 at 8:24 pm

      False perfect is the enemy of the good meme. The same questions you asked about the racial issues you raised are the same questions being asked of a multi-billion dollar corp. So, why didn’t they?

  33. March 20, 2015 at 8:01 pm

    These are scary times! Linda, I didn’t get to comment on the thread with your horrific experience, but I read it earlier today. Please know that I am deeply sorry that you had to go through this. It is a pity that we always have to have our guards up at all times. I am so sorry for this ugliness visited upon you. Please take of yourself.

  34. March 20, 2015 at 8:02 pm

    ” White House: Netanyahu did not sufficiently clarify his position on Palestinian state
    Netanyahu’s ‘divergent comments… call into question his commitment to a two-state solution,’ White House says; UN chief Ban, Germany’s Merkel and France’s Hollande voice similar concern to Israeli prime minister.”


  35. March 20, 2015 at 8:03 pm

  36. 106 amk for obama
    March 20, 2015 at 8:07 pm

    The President’s election hasn’t heightened racial animus; it just brought it out of its hole, as racial bigotry merged with the traditional American distrust of the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. to forge a whirlwind of racial demagoguery.


    If Starbucks had been genuine in fostering such conversations, its executive officers should have visited churches, both black and white, and speak to the noxious racial atmosphere prevalent in this country. It should have lobbied Congress to fix the Voting Rights Act gutted by the Supreme Court.

    Great stuff, LL. The racist ugliness of rw’ers and their representative party since 2006 (sic) has been appalling and continues till today without being questioned and exposed by the third rate fifth columnist fourth estate.

  37. 107 purpleshoesla
    March 20, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    LL, thank you very much for this. On point again and eloquently as always. And from Rolling Stones piece about why just “having the conversation” as the “end game” misses the point by a football field (IMHO):

    And if that seems cynical to you, consider what a billion-dollar corporation like Starbucks didn’t do with its tremendous resources to address race in this country. It didn’t eat a tiny loss on profits and designate one employee per store to collect signatures for a petition to restore all provisions of the Voting Rights Act. It most certainly didn’t task employees with engaging customers in conversation about the virtues of collective bargaining, labor rights and the tremendous power employers have to interfere in workers’ lives and coerce behavior — all issues that would likely provide more direct material benefit to the lives of racial minorities and working class Americans of all colors than some airy bull-session about what it’s even like to be different, man.

    Having the conversation and “racing together” is a great way to perpetually start the process of addressing social injustice while perpetually delaying the enactment of any means to do so. It makes the acknowledgment of a problem equivalent to its solution. Starbucks, an entity with vast abilities to generate, fund and defend social change wants you to get the ball rolling, after which it will do exactly nothing, in the hopes that you feel so good about what we all accomplished together that you don’t notice the lack of a follow-up.

    “It might make them feel better about themselves for having the conversation,” Anita said, “but I don’t see it generating any action.”

    Neither will you.”


  38. 109 carolyn
    March 20, 2015 at 8:17 pm

    Thanks df, for a different view of the Starbucks plan. I think I see in this an echo of what PBO says so often: Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. That happened after the ACA passed, when everyone said this isn’t PERFECT…..no, what in human life is, but it’s a start. And perhaps this is how we should look at Starbucks’ venture. They shoulda, coulda, done this, this, or this, but they recognized the problem and did something.

    I agree with LL about the fact, to me, that the election of PBO didn’t heighten racial animus, or bring it about, it brought the animus out of a hole and into the light. We now ALL are aware of what happens, whereas before, we, people like df and me who are light color, didn’t know about it or hear about it. This knowledge is painful, and we often want to close our eyes, but we can’t now…..we HAVE to face this.

    The horrible scab has bee pulled off, and we see the stinking sore underneath, but that is the only way healing can start. I have learned, and felt so much in the last years, that I can’t believe the ignorance I lived in before.

    • 110 desertflower
      March 20, 2015 at 8:23 pm

      Oh..I knew about it, but not to the extent that it exists now…it’s like I’ve taken the glasses off and I can see clearly now. My friends of color, and my TOD family have further enlightened me and I am grateful beyond measure for all the education I have received here….it doesn’t change my thoughts on the attempt by Starbucks to begin the talk….I appreciate that they even tried at all. This has been a problem for longer than Starbucks has even been around. We shouldn’t pretend otherwise. It is up to each of us.

    • 111 desertflower
      March 20, 2015 at 8:47 pm

      thank you, carolyn:)

  39. 121 jacquelineoboomer
    March 20, 2015 at 8:19 pm

  40. 123 Obama Grandmama
    March 20, 2015 at 8:29 pm

    I am behind on the criticisms and issues involved with the upcoming trade pacts. My brother is adamant about how horrible it will be and how we will lose jobs as well as it will be worse than the NAFTA passing. He has thrown Democrat names at me that say that. He is a Libertarian, but likes most of what PBO has done in foreign relations. I am behind the curve as I am learning to trust our President with decisions that are most in the interest of average Americans and ignore the hysterical screaming of the media, far left and my brother. Anyone want to inform me on the trade issue?

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