by Tally
A free society demands social responsibility.
Let me begin by saying my parents were very socially responsible. I was the naughty child, too smart for her own good, who never brought the vaccination permission slips home from school, and thus, missed out on the Small Pox vaccine (seriously. I must be the only person my age that doesn’t have a scar on my upper right arm.) I’ve also never been tested for TB. I know for sure about those. (Hey, shots hurt!)
I’m not sure about Measles, and my childhood medical records have long since turned to dust, which is why I got the MMR vaccine this week.
I was also born before measles became a regular childhood vaccine. (Anyone born before 1989 is likely under-immunized since the second booster shot was introduced that year.) If I got the mumps vaccine, it was the old, shitty one they don’t use anymore because it mostly didn’t work. I have had a Rubella shot, because my OBGYN insisted.
Much has been debated recently about parents having the right to refuse vaccinations for their kids, mostly from the same people who want to give fetuses personhood rights. I know, the contradiction is enough to make one’s head explode, but science and logic aren’t big with these people.
Are vacinations really a choice?
When I was little, I remember my mother taking me down to the local pharmacy, where they were administering the polio vaccine for free. It was some pink drops on a cube of sugar. We went three times. Those were the best vaccinations ever.
In high school, I had a friend who had polio. Super hot boy, who would be on elbow brace crutches for the rest of his life, all because he had been born in a third world country where they didn’t have the polio vaccine, and he contracted it.
Measles isn’t always fever and a rash. Measles can do a lot of damage. It can even kill you.
(NPR: Beyond Rash And Fever: How Measles Can Kill)
Imagine a young adult today, fresh out of high school, who, due to her parents beliefs about vaccinations, wasn’t vaccinated as a child. She contracts measles, and ends up blind. Who’s responsible for that? Well, most children in the US get their first MMR vaccine around their first birthday, with a second booster before they start school around age 4.
As a child under 6 years of age, you really have no say in your medical care. That’s your parents responsibility.
So, does our young, blind 18 year-old have legal grounds to sue her parents? And what about an infant, who is too young for the vaccine, if they end up with the same fate because some parent refused to vaccinate their child who contracts and spreads the disease. Do those parents have the legal grounds to sue that parent who refused to vaccinate their child, making them a danger to the public at large?
What if that infant dies? Who’s responsible? Should the infant’s family sue the irresponsible parents who disregarded science and decades of millions of successful vaccinations, refusing to vaccinate their child, thus putting the public at large, especially infants who haven’t been immunized because they’re too young, in danger of illness at the very least, and blindness, deafness, brain damage, and death at worst?
It’s great that school districts are stepping up across the country and not allowing admission without proof of vaccinations. It’s an awesome step. But even if someone is forced to home-school their child because they refuse to immunize them, what about the rest of the public places that child will go? The park? The mall? The cinema? The supermarket? Disneyland? What about all those people being exposed? Sure, most people are socially responsible, don’t mock proven science, and don’t want to get sick. But sometimes even vaccinated people don’t gain enough immunity to fight off disease.
And what about those with compromised immune systems from things not at all of their own making? The elderly, people undergoing chemo, anyone who recently had major surgery, or those who’ve been exposed to toxic chemicals on the job? The list is endless.
We are indeed, our brother’s keeper. If you get sick, there’s a risk you can infect others. It’s why preventative care is now free, so people will seek medical care (which should be called Wellness Care), so it doesn’t turn into a hospital stay or worse. It’s also why if you’re sick, STAY THE FUCK HOME, and don’t spread your cooties to everyone. Chances are karma will kick your ass by mutating that strain so after everyone at the office has had it, you’ll get it back again, only worse this time. It’s called evolution.
It’s also why everyone everywhere should have medical coverage, and why we really need to eventually go to universal single payer for everyone within our borders, because even though I might have health insurance, it’s not going to magically protect me from the virus that uninsured person has who just hacked up a lung on me at the grocery store.
So, are vaccinations really a choice? No. No they’re not if you want yourself and everyone you know to have a fighting chance of avoiding a preventable disease.
Hello All!!
Congrats Allison 🙂
ESSENTIAL reading for everyone. Thank you Tally!!!!
Thanks Tally. And congrats Allison
Thanks, Japa!
Hi Tally – back I go to read this.
Hi Allison. Hi Japa.
Good afternoon, oh beautiful Lady of the North.
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It’s only me, Japa. VC. 😀
Oh, did I confuse you for someone else?
Maybe. Teeheehee.
Yes, oh beautiful Lady of the Emerald Isle?
Geographically assigning your affection does not reduce the pain – one bit.
The mere fact that I am still being civil with you after what you did to me and GGAil earlier should tell you how deep my affection for you goes.
At least I don’t spam the place with geese, that’s way worse than alerting Nerdy to you and GGail’s rudeness.
/in exasperation/ Aren’t you tired of spying?
You are going to have the ‘min’ feeling hemmed in before too long if he can’t even throw the odd compliment around! Geez louise!
I didn’t think the compliment was odd. Strange, maybe, but not odd.
Odd numbered, as in 1? 😀 Really, CC should be trained by now to know one compliment here and there is not at all threatening. Is that your job?
Actually, it is her very insecurity that I like about her. It is your extreme self-confidence that I like about you. Polar opposites, shall we say. Oh well, I will no longer be nice to anyone.
A-hem. ..a-hem, hopefully that ‘anyone’ does not apply to me. It’s nice to be nice to. [Yep, makes little sense but I bet you understand.]
Japa, you had me chuckling heartily since sentence 1 and first half of sentence 2 brought back memories. 😀 😀 I’ve lost track of how many times I heard this in my early-er years. 😀
Excellent start! ^5 Now, just walk a little bit slower, with maybe a hint of swagger, to convey your utter calm.
I’ve just spotted Japa:
#you.are.incorrigible
Read my lips – #theresnoneedtoattackjapa – ‘He only gave me one… count it … O. N. E compliment!!!!
😀 😀 If I were you I’d rescue Japa as he’s your only virtual suitor you haven’t *yet* managed to turn away with your possessiveness and jealousy.
Excellent, Tally, thank you. Have fb’d. ❤
Great post Tally.
Thanks Tally. I read that and suddenly remembered having to stay away from malls and other places where people gather when I brought my teeny, tiny preemie home. Here if students do not produce evidence of inoculation they can be /are asked by the health department to withdraw from school until they provide them. They generally get a letter from the department, via the school, which tells them which shot is missing, where they can get the shot done if not using their own doctor and the date by which the proof of shots have to be returned. I’m referring to the older kids (for follow-up shots). For younger students, parents have to produce a copy of the immunization records in order to be registered for school.
Thanks vc for providing me your comment 🙂
As far as I know for our Public Schools, it is a requirement for parents to produce the Immunization Card upon registering children for school. I know nuttin’ about the private schools and parents who “opt out”.
That sounds similar. Maybe the ‘opt outers’ simply get accepted after they say they’ve opted out, which seems counterproductive. I’m not sure, but I suspect our private schools also ask for the ICard.
TALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great post.
I second that!
Thanks, Tally…This post is fantastic..
Tally, only you could say it so well 🙂
“It’s also why if you’re sick, STAY THE FUCK HOME, and don’t spread your cooties to everyone. Chances are karma will kick your ass by mutating that strain so after everyone at the office has had it, you’ll get it back again, only worse this time. It’s called evolution.”
Excellent piece, Tally.
If you are a healthy human being without a compromised immune system you have no excuse not to get vaccinated or vaccinate your children. Anti-vaxxers are irresponsible and dangerous because they are committing others to a death sentence because they want a debate about efficacy of vaccines.
They shouldn’t be coddled and pandered to by the media and politicians who say, let’s have a discussion or debate about vaccine choice. There is no debate and no discussion to be had. My question to these anti-vaxxers is, how curious that the rise of your anti-vaccination movement coincided with the return of diseases we had all but eradicated. Hmmm…think about that.
Vaccines work. Period. As a citizen of the country and world, it is a responsibility to not knowingly and carelessly endanger the lives of others due to beliefs that have no basis in science and facts.
Good luck with that!
And this, pardon my language, ladies and gentlemen, is one of the finest assholes the GOP has to offer.
IOW – they got nuttin’. And they know it.
Definitely! Makes me laugh, but there seems to be a desire for nuttin’ from these GOP!
What an absolute, unmitigated, tone deaf ass this Bush is. Just looking at him brings back nightmares of all the Bushes that have gone before.
You can say that again! I just can’t believe these people, the whole GOP presidential inventory!!!
Another clueless one – how do GOPs rear them so consistently? As I read the tweet I was thinking similarly about the “look”, JG.
They said the fat head Jeb was smarter then G.W., I don’t think so. Come back and tell me who need to protest when his family have dealt with loved ones being gun down by the police, over and over again. He is a fat head rich white man who don’t give a dam thing about black men, black teenagers, black kids being murder by police officers. He is the Governor who sign the Stand your ground law. Trayvon Martin’s blood is on Jeb’s hand. They said Jeb was smarter then G.W., I am not so sure about that.
Annieb, if the ‘they’ who said Jeb is smarter are actually the media, then I don’t believe it. I will wait to see all the buffoonery Jeb releases as time goes on.
I don’t think he is any smarter then big brother G.W.
Maybe by a smidgen.
Simple, VC. They apply the same brainwashed, white supremacy method to all the developing minds from an early age. It is not to anyone’s advantage that yet another privileged, white, southern, OIL MAGNATE is planning to destroy the planet even further than his predecessors have done.
…..and he is supposed to be the “SMART” one…..oy vey…
He might very well be, relatively speaking, Jojo. You must admit it wouldn’t take much to be smarter than Georgie boy.
Senate Dems want a clean bill. Period.
Tally, I applaud your post!
Very, very well done, Tally. Universal health care for all!
Christie Returns to Good Old London; London Says, ‘Who?’
LONDON — Presidential politics can be a humbling business. Local renown is revealed, uneasily, to be just that: It translates poorly onto a bigger stage, allowing a man accustomed to instant, cellphone-picture-frenzied celebrity on the boardwalks of the New Jersey shore to stroll in awkward anonymity through a packed stadium in London.
So it went here on Sunday for Chris Christie, a big shot momentarily bereft of an audience, in a city he professes to adore and visit frequently.
“Who?” asked Graham Upson, a 55-year-old soccer fan inside the frigid Emirates Stadium on Sunday, seeming blissfully unaware of Mr. Christie’s presence in the stands, not to mention his very existence.
New Jersey? Brash governor? Presidential hopeful? Mr. Upson, dressed in a blue down jacket with a red knit cap over his heard, stared back blankly. “I’ve been to New York a few times,” he offered.
Inside, where the lines for beer (and, consequently, bathrooms) snaked across the hallways, slight inebriation did little to focus the British mind on the governor of New Jersey.
“I’ve vaguely heard of him,” said Michael Rabbett, 67, as he sipped red wine from a plastic cup (“wine beer,” he noted). He paused to let the name roll around in his head. “He’s in the background of my head. But not really,” he concluded.
Alerted to Mr. Christie’s reputation for voluble candor as well as his party affiliation, Mr. Rabbett asked his own question. “Has he told that lady from Alaska to shut up?”
No, he was informed. Mr. Christie had not tried to silence the former governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin. “Well why not?” he inquired.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/02/nyregion/a-low-profile-for-gov-chris-christie-of-new-jersey-at-arsenal-game-in-london.html?_r=0
lol.
“Well, why not?” = Exactly.
Completely excellent Tally, endless thanks for writing this and posting, hugely appreciated.
Thanks for making me look good! 😀
Ha, you did that all by yourself – thanks a trabillion again Tally!!
As somebody in London recently said about the New Jersey Governor: “Who?”
lol…..while Jeb Bush was in his State giving a speech full of lies.
For some reason my eye caught that Podesta tweet re PBO supporting Camille and I followed the link. Very encouraging story, except for this part
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OneDublin.org: When did you first get an inkling that something wasn’t right?
Camille Chabot: “The first indication came out of a yearly check-up when the doctor felt a bump on my throat, I never felt anything out of the ordinary. I had a needle biopsy and the results were inconclusive, so I was advised to check again in four months. I went back during spring break and the results were again inconclusive. The discussion then shifted to thinking about surgical options and further testing. The doctor thought the problem was with my thyroid, so half my thyroid and a little bit of my lymph nodes were removed. It ended up that my thyroid was benign but not my lymph nodes.”
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I’ve been inclined to think that (in my own life) inconclusive reports mean things are okay, and so this raised a bit of a red flag for me since a new doctor recently felt a bump on *my* throat and I am scheduled for a needle biopsy next week Thursday. I really wish now that I hadn’t read this as I’m bound to have the thought floating around my head that whatever they say might be meaningless. Sigh…. ‘a little knowledge is a dangerous thing’, for me anyway.
{{{{VC}}}} Time for the Serenity Prayer…
Worrying/thinking about it will make you irritable and get even less sleep than you normally manage. I’m glad you’ve voiced it, so now we can send up positive thoughts and prayers going forward ❤
Thanks, GxG. Positive thoughts and prayers will be much appreciated. Let me tell you, sometimes having an imagination isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. Fortunately, I already know I’ll have to wait two weeks for the results (appointment’s already booked); so that will help somewhat to minimize the thinking/worrying.
One who has traveled the road, I’m here to listen – anytime/any way; email, text, even phone 🙂
Okay. TYVM, GxG. It makes a difference knowing where your support is. ❤
I got your back girl !
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You are in my thoughts and prayers. Channel the imagination into writing your fears and concerns…some of them will just drift away. It helped me through radiation.
Thanks Otter. I realize how fortunate I am to be in a place where there are many people with positive experiences in many areas, people who are willing to be supportive.
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You know you have a whole community here that is behind you, so let us handle the worrying for you.
^ 5 Deal!
Sending you lots of positive thoughts, vc. Try not to get ahead of yourself, each person is different. I’ve found that most if not all doctors seem most inclined to say tests are inconclusive as way to protect them from a lawsuit IF and only IF a condition changes. So it is in an odd way a positive in most cases.
We’ll all be thinking of you and keeping you safe from our end. Please update us if you are so inclined. {{{{vc}}}}
{{{Meta}}} Thanks!
Funny enough, both doctors gave me the spiel about it’s more than likely nothing as it doesn’t hurt, was not hard to the touch, yada, yada, so I really was relaxed until I read Camille’s paragraph. Of course, by tomorrow (when I have to be at work and busy) I will likely have pushed today’s mental twinges aside. It’s great to be reminded that I have tons of support though. And yes, Meta, I will update TODobots with whatever is discovered. Between last year and this there seems to be an unending amount of trips to the doctor, mostly for ‘checkups’.
It’s human to worry but you will know soon enough. Take good care of yourself!
True. Will do. ❤ ❤
Well now young lady, no need to worry or fret. There’s an aria in your future, from which you’ll raise roof tops and shatter fine crystal. {{{#vctheinvincible}}}
{{{Cookem}}}!!! That will be the day! Have you forgotten I am way over on the other side of musical? 😀 I was thinking of you not too long ago when JO’B, JackieG and I were encouraging each other on the subject of January exercises. I figured you are currently marking time inside while awaiting the spring, so that you can go running though the woods greeting woodland creatures.
Nice to see you up close instead of peAking over the fence!
I have come to the conclusion that this Libertarian “personal freedom” and “responsibility only to one’s self” dogma we are seeing more and more of, is the attempt of the 1% to mainstream their particularly virulent brand of selfishness and greed. This is about political power, same as the “right to life” and repeal of abortion rights movement has a definite political motivation (i.e., the need for more White babies to counteract the growth of non-White populations in America). Letting the wealthy off the hook for refusing to paying their fair share of taxes is more likely from an electorate indoctrinated in this brand of selfishness than one that subscribes to a more community based view of the world. The 1%ers want to be extremely rich in a poor country, instead of being slightly less rich in a prosperous country. This is why the redistribution of wealth is demonized by the MSM/GOP (unless it is going to the 1%). As a result, we have GOPers saying restaurant workers don’t have to wash their hands after using the bathroom and the GOP/MSM giving a platform to selfish and stupid people who put the community at large in danger by refusing to vaccinate their children. We have crumbling roads and infrastructure because the Owner class don’t want to do anything for the common good (they use the racist hatred for PBO to gain the acceptance of the knuckle draggers who mindlessly cheer as their country deteriorates around them, but this selfish, me first attitude was present long before PBO became President). In addition, the austerity movement in Europe is another example of this mindset. This is a worldwide phenomenom, with the 1%ers using every tool at their disposal (media, judicial and political) to accumulate an ever larger piece of the pie, while the masses fight each other for the crumbs.
Excellent analysis, Eric, and I agree with every word. People who are NOT the 1 percent are running out of time to wake up and fight back. They are heading for, or currently are, no better than serfs, as Warren Buffet predicted.
you are on point
Eric, I am sad to say that I agree with you on all your points stated here.
Especially the preference to be rich in a poor enslaved country. They will build walls around their gated cities and have high priced toll roads and bridges to advantage their travel.
Israel is already doing this. Just that the roads are divided on basis of Jews and non-Jews.
INDEED!!
Sorry to be so out of the loop, but do you know what the topic is, meta?
Pfeiffer is the one who warned us that POTUS was about to speak about the capture and killing of Osama Bin Laden. A very big night I remember very well!
This is a retweet from 2011, JG.
I remember that too. I was like, WHY is the President coming to address the nation at night on a SUNDAY?
Great piece, Tally. Thank you for your well-reasoned efforts to break through the assumptions of those who don’t take this issue seriously.
Shit that happens at the library.
I feel you. But better that than one of those nut cases go on a rampage killing just because they are mad or unhappy!
Did someone ask her to read the sign out front….it’s a L I B R A R Y……not EHarmony
But I wish they could force him to visit an eye doctor.
What is it with these RW “freedom” loving nut jobs who insist on invading people’s privacy? Hypocritical idiots.
their message, stated succinctly: ‘i’m free; fck you.’
This!!!!!
and a shrink
Better late than never.
Good job!
Thanks for your insight on vaccinations, Tally. I was born before a lot of vaccines were introduced, except for diptheria, and we all had to take the hits–measles, chickenpox, whooping cough. It was miserable and dangerous, even though we were too young to know that. Polio was a huge scare for every parent and kid, especially in the summer when people congregated around public pools. We all saw the terrifying photos of brave kids in iron lungs in magazines and newsreels and prayed that we wouldn’t be struck down. The sweetest, kindest boy in my class died of polio when I was in fifth grade and I will never forget him because he was buried near my parents’ grave in my hometown. The polio vaccine was a Godsend and we all lined up in the school nurse’s office and got our shots. I would never, ever take for granted the peace of mind that shot gave my family. Anyone who would put their children at risk of serious sickness and even death, has lost all sense of reason and responsibility. It’s a form of children abuse, in my opinion.
thanks for this Tally.
On point.
My experience is like Jackie’s. I too was born before these “childhood disease” vaccinations, and I had them all, except diphtheria. I had whooping cough, measles, both kinds, chicken pox, and mumps. The measles were LOOOONG and I had to be in a darkened room, couldn’t read, so my eyes wouldn’t be weakened. I came down with mumps on Valentine’s Day and missed the party!
When the polio vaccine came out we were THRILLED!!! Like Jackie, I remember pictures in Life magazine of young children in iron lungs. That was my dread and fear and had nightmares about that. We lined up in high school for our Salk vaccines, and the yearbook has a picture of us lined up. It was a GOOD day for all of us.
All those childhood diseases had possible bad side effects. This information needs to be pounded into these stupid people’s heads. Every mother with a son made sure he was exposed to mumps and got them before puberty, because, if a boy got them after puberty, he would likely be sterile.
How far back do these people want to take us!!!
NYorkers, beware!
Wow!
Why now?
Hmm?
They need our prayers before a wacko goes berserk.
LMAO!!!
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Is Lindsey going to Syria to fight too? Him and John McCain.
They would have but Johnny is debating whether he should run for office again.
Send Aaron Schock , Paul Ryan and Sean Duffy…….
send Rough Limpbags, he will terrify all who look upon his ugly, baggy face. before he even opens his mouth.
I hope NASA doesn’t bring the extraterrestrial life back on Earth. There are enough wackos down here.
Congrats VA Villagers!
News just broke few minutes that Gov. Haslam’s Insure TN was voted down in the Senate. So very sad and wrong. These people are pro-life??????? NOT!!!!!!!!
Yes, pro-life. But not pro-Black, as in Black President.
And pro-fetus /pro-birth but it ends there..
CNN must be thrilled…..they have another plane incident to speculate on 24/7.
I know deals are struck at various times but this is just gross:
It was reported to be true in 2008.
The main reason then Sen Obama quickly dismissed any further support from Edwards.
Beauty break!!
Love John Legend. He seems like a great guy and his VOICE….
Yep. I agree completely.
OK, last joke:
LOL!
amirite?!!
I thought Bobby Jindal portrait was an improvement of the real thing.
Yes indeed.
Hello TOD.
Gold ⭐ for Allison, Congrats!
Yep.
Didn’t he also gave up his “Obama” name, but picked it back up as Senator Obama became more famous and eventually as he became POTUS?
Wow!
Jennifer Palmieri is leaving the WH to join Camp Hilary. UGH.
I hope she is NOT the Communication Director….because she is horrible in front of the camera.
YES, she will be Clinton’s comm director. I’m more than a little pissed that HRC is raiding his staff with 2 years left to go.
New post.
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/02/04/a-tweet-or-two-228/
Tally, what a wonderful piece. Thanks.
Wonderful post Lovely Tally. Many of us are baby boomers and were vaccinated free at school. I received the polio sugar vaccine, TB tested, and small pox. I was six months when my brother brought home chicken pox so since I was recovering from hernia surgery they kept me at the hospital. I latter got the worse case of chicken pox and have the marks to prove it. My brothers and I caught the mumps and the measles twice (German and regular measles within months of each other). Apparently we were not vaccinated for any of the childhood diseases and I can only assume that our family doctors felt it was better to get the chicken pox, measles and mumps at a young age this was back in the 1950’s when we were not vaccinated like kids are today. I know my friends kids were vaccinated at young ages and did not get the boosters and came down with chicken pox, mumps, and measles as teenagers. Once you get the disease you no longer need to be inoculated again.
Thank you! Small words but from the heart!