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Feb
15

Vaccinations, And Social Responsibility

by Tally

A free society demands social responsibility.

Let me begin by saying my parents were very socially responsible. I was the naughty child, too smart for her own good, who never brought the vaccination permission slips home from school, and thus, missed out on the Small Pox vaccine (seriously. I must be the only person my age that doesn’t have a scar on my upper right arm.) I’ve also never been tested for TB. I know for sure about those. (Hey, shots hurt!)

I’m not sure about Measles, and my childhood medical records have long since turned to dust, which is why I got the MMR  vaccine this week.

I was also born before measles became a regular childhood vaccine. (Anyone born before 1989 is likely under-immunized since the second booster shot was introduced that year.) If I got the mumps vaccine, it was the old, shitty one they don’t use anymore because it mostly didn’t work. I have had a Rubella shot, because my OBGYN insisted.

Much has been debated recently about parents having the right to refuse vaccinations for their kids, mostly from the same people who want to give fetuses personhood rights. I know, the contradiction is enough to make one’s head explode, but science and logic aren’t big with these people.

Are vacinations really a choice?

When I was little, I remember my mother taking me down to the local pharmacy, where they were administering the polio vaccine for free. It was some pink drops on a cube of sugar. We went three times. Those were the best vaccinations ever.

In high school, I had a friend who had polio. Super hot boy, who would be on elbow brace crutches for the rest of his life, all because he had been born in a third world country where they didn’t have the polio vaccine, and he contracted it.

Measles isn’t always fever and a rash. Measles can do a lot of damage. It can even kill you.

(NPR: Beyond Rash And Fever: How Measles Can Kill)

Imagine a young adult today, fresh out of high school, who, due to her parents beliefs about vaccinations, wasn’t vaccinated as a child. She contracts measles, and ends up blind. Who’s responsible for that? Well, most children in the US get their first MMR vaccine around their first birthday, with a second booster before they start school around age 4.

As a child under 6 years of age, you really have no say in your medical care. That’s your parents responsibility.

So, does our young, blind 18 year-old have legal grounds to sue her parents? And what about an infant, who is too young for the vaccine, if they end up with the same fate because some parent refused to vaccinate their child who contracts and spreads the disease. Do those parents have the legal grounds to sue that parent who refused to vaccinate their child, making them a danger to the public at large?

What if that infant dies? Who’s responsible? Should the infant’s family sue the irresponsible parents who disregarded science and decades of millions of successful vaccinations, refusing to vaccinate their child, thus putting the public at large, especially infants who haven’t been immunized because they’re too young, in danger of illness at the very least, and blindness, deafness, brain damage, and death at worst?

It’s great that school districts are stepping up across the country and not allowing admission without proof of vaccinations. It’s an awesome step. But even if someone is forced to home-school their child because they refuse to immunize them, what about the rest of the public places that child will go? The park? The mall? The cinema? The supermarket? Disneyland? What about all those people being exposed? Sure, most people are socially responsible, don’t mock proven science, and don’t want to get sick. But sometimes even vaccinated people don’t gain enough immunity to fight off disease.

And what about those with compromised immune systems from things not at all of their own making? The elderly, people undergoing chemo, anyone who recently had major surgery, or those who’ve been exposed to toxic chemicals on the job? The list is endless.

We are indeed, our brother’s keeper. If you get sick, there’s a risk you can infect others. It’s why preventative care is now free, so people will seek medical care (which should be called Wellness Care), so it doesn’t turn into a hospital stay or worse. It’s also why if you’re sick, STAY THE FUCK HOME, and don’t spread your cooties to everyone. Chances are karma will kick your ass by mutating that strain so after everyone at the office has had it, you’ll get it back again, only worse this time. It’s called evolution.

It’s also why everyone everywhere should have medical coverage, and why we really need to eventually go to universal single payer for everyone within our borders, because even though I might have health insurance, it’s not going to magically protect me from the virus that uninsured person has who just hacked up a lung on me at the grocery store.

So, are vaccinations really a choice? No. No they’re not if you want yourself and everyone you know to have a fighting chance of avoiding a preventable disease.


144 Responses to “Vaccinations, And Social Responsibility”


  1. 1 Allison
    February 4, 2015 at 2:52 pm

    Hello All!!

  2. 3 japa21
    February 4, 2015 at 2:53 pm

    Thanks Tally. And congrats Allison

  3. 5 vcprezofan2
    February 4, 2015 at 2:56 pm

    Hi Tally – back I go to read this.
    Hi Allison. Hi Japa.

  4. 28 MightyPamela
    February 4, 2015 at 2:57 pm

    Excellent, Tally, thank you. Have fb’d. ❤

  5. 30 vcprezofan2
    February 4, 2015 at 3:12 pm

    Thanks Tally. I read that and suddenly remembered having to stay away from malls and other places where people gather when I brought my teeny, tiny preemie home. Here if students do not produce evidence of inoculation they can be /are asked by the health department to withdraw from school until they provide them. They generally get a letter from the department, via the school, which tells them which shot is missing, where they can get the shot done if not using their own doctor and the date by which the proof of shots have to be returned. I’m referring to the older kids (for follow-up shots). For younger students, parents have to produce a copy of the immunization records in order to be registered for school.

    • 31 GGail
      February 4, 2015 at 3:16 pm

      Thanks vc for providing me your comment 🙂

      As far as I know for our Public Schools, it is a requirement for parents to produce the Immunization Card upon registering children for school. I know nuttin’ about the private schools and parents who “opt out”.

      • 32 vcprezofan2
        February 4, 2015 at 3:20 pm

        That sounds similar. Maybe the ‘opt outers’ simply get accepted after they say they’ve opted out, which seems counterproductive. I’m not sure, but I suspect our private schools also ask for the ICard.

  6. 33 57andfemale
    February 4, 2015 at 3:14 pm

    TALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great post.

  7. 35 Allison
    February 4, 2015 at 3:16 pm

    Thanks, Tally…This post is fantastic..

  8. 36 GGail
    February 4, 2015 at 3:18 pm

    Tally, only you could say it so well 🙂
    “It’s also why if you’re sick, STAY THE FUCK HOME, and don’t spread your cooties to everyone. Chances are karma will kick your ass by mutating that strain so after everyone at the office has had it, you’ll get it back again, only worse this time. It’s called evolution.”

  9. 37 Nerdy Wonka
    February 4, 2015 at 3:18 pm

    Excellent piece, Tally.

    If you are a healthy human being without a compromised immune system you have no excuse not to get vaccinated or vaccinate your children. Anti-vaxxers are irresponsible and dangerous because they are committing others to a death sentence because they want a debate about efficacy of vaccines.

    They shouldn’t be coddled and pandered to by the media and politicians who say, let’s have a discussion or debate about vaccine choice. There is no debate and no discussion to be had. My question to these anti-vaxxers is, how curious that the rise of your anti-vaccination movement coincided with the return of diseases we had all but eradicated. Hmmm…think about that.

    Vaccines work. Period. As a citizen of the country and world, it is a responsibility to not knowingly and carelessly endanger the lives of others due to beliefs that have no basis in science and facts.

  10. 38 No Child Left Behind
    February 4, 2015 at 3:25 pm

    Good luck with that!

    • 39 jacquelineoboomer
      February 4, 2015 at 3:28 pm

      And this, pardon my language, ladies and gentlemen, is one of the finest assholes the GOP has to offer.

    • 42 jackiegrumbacher
      February 4, 2015 at 3:50 pm

      What an absolute, unmitigated, tone deaf ass this Bush is. Just looking at him brings back nightmares of all the Bushes that have gone before.

      • 43 No Child Left Behind
        February 4, 2015 at 3:55 pm

        You can say that again! I just can’t believe these people, the whole GOP presidential inventory!!!

      • 44 vcprezofan2
        February 4, 2015 at 4:06 pm

        Another clueless one – how do GOPs rear them so consistently? As I read the tweet I was thinking similarly about the “look”, JG.

        • February 4, 2015 at 4:59 pm

          They said the fat head Jeb was smarter then G.W., I don’t think so. Come back and tell me who need to protest when his family have dealt with loved ones being gun down by the police, over and over again. He is a fat head rich white man who don’t give a dam thing about black men, black teenagers, black kids being murder by police officers. He is the Governor who sign the Stand your ground law. Trayvon Martin’s blood is on Jeb’s hand. They said Jeb was smarter then G.W., I am not so sure about that.

        • 49 MightyPamela
          February 4, 2015 at 5:40 pm

          Simple, VC. They apply the same brainwashed, white supremacy method to all the developing minds from an early age. It is not to anyone’s advantage that yet another privileged, white, southern, OIL MAGNATE is planning to destroy the planet even further than his predecessors have done.

        • February 4, 2015 at 6:00 pm

          …..and he is supposed to be the “SMART” one…..oy vey…

          • 51 vcprezofan2
            February 4, 2015 at 8:14 pm

            He might very well be, relatively speaking, Jojo. You must admit it wouldn’t take much to be smarter than Georgie boy.

  11. 52 No Child Left Behind
    February 4, 2015 at 3:26 pm

    Senate Dems want a clean bill. Period.

  12. 55 Judith Fardig
    February 4, 2015 at 3:26 pm

    Tally, I applaud your post!

  13. 56 jacquelineoboomer
    February 4, 2015 at 3:27 pm

    Very, very well done, Tally. Universal health care for all!

  14. 57 Linda
    February 4, 2015 at 3:28 pm

    Christie Returns to Good Old London; London Says, ‘Who?’

    LONDON — Presidential politics can be a humbling business. Local renown is revealed, uneasily, to be just that: It translates poorly onto a bigger stage, allowing a man accustomed to instant, cellphone-picture-frenzied celebrity on the boardwalks of the New Jersey shore to stroll in awkward anonymity through a packed stadium in London.

    So it went here on Sunday for Chris Christie, a big shot momentarily bereft of an audience, in a city he professes to adore and visit frequently.

    “Who?” asked Graham Upson, a 55-year-old soccer fan inside the frigid Emirates Stadium on Sunday, seeming blissfully unaware of Mr. Christie’s presence in the stands, not to mention his very existence.

    New Jersey? Brash governor? Presidential hopeful? Mr. Upson, dressed in a blue down jacket with a red knit cap over his heard, stared back blankly. “I’ve been to New York a few times,” he offered.

    Inside, where the lines for beer (and, consequently, bathrooms) snaked across the hallways, slight inebriation did little to focus the British mind on the governor of New Jersey.

    “I’ve vaguely heard of him,” said Michael Rabbett, 67, as he sipped red wine from a plastic cup (“wine beer,” he noted). He paused to let the name roll around in his head. “He’s in the background of my head. But not really,” he concluded.

    Alerted to Mr. Christie’s reputation for voluble candor as well as his party affiliation, Mr. Rabbett asked his own question. “Has he told that lady from Alaska to shut up?”

    No, he was informed. Mr. Christie had not tried to silence the former governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin. “Well why not?” he inquired.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/02/nyregion/a-low-profile-for-gov-chris-christie-of-new-jersey-at-arsenal-game-in-london.html?_r=0

    lol.

  15. February 4, 2015 at 3:29 pm

    Completely excellent Tally, endless thanks for writing this and posting, hugely appreciated.

  16. 62 No Child Left Behind
    February 4, 2015 at 3:30 pm

  17. 65 vcprezofan2
    February 4, 2015 at 3:36 pm

    For some reason my eye caught that Podesta tweet re PBO supporting Camille and I followed the link. Very encouraging story, except for this part

    // ……………….

    OneDublin.org: When did you first get an inkling that something wasn’t right?

    Camille Chabot: “The first indication came out of a yearly check-up when the doctor felt a bump on my throat, I never felt anything out of the ordinary. I had a needle biopsy and the results were inconclusive, so I was advised to check again in four months. I went back during spring break and the results were again inconclusive. The discussion then shifted to thinking about surgical options and further testing. The doctor thought the problem was with my thyroid, so half my thyroid and a little bit of my lymph nodes were removed. It ended up that my thyroid was benign but not my lymph nodes.”

    …….//

    I’ve been inclined to think that (in my own life) inconclusive reports mean things are okay, and so this raised a bit of a red flag for me since a new doctor recently felt a bump on *my* throat and I am scheduled for a needle biopsy next week Thursday. I really wish now that I hadn’t read this as I’m bound to have the thought floating around my head that whatever they say might be meaningless. Sigh…. ‘a little knowledge is a dangerous thing’, for me anyway.

    • 66 GGail
      February 4, 2015 at 3:44 pm

      {{{{VC}}}} Time for the Serenity Prayer…
      Worrying/thinking about it will make you irritable and get even less sleep than you normally manage. I’m glad you’ve voiced it, so now we can send up positive thoughts and prayers going forward ❤

      • 67 vcprezofan2
        February 4, 2015 at 3:50 pm

        Thanks, GxG. Positive thoughts and prayers will be much appreciated. Let me tell you, sometimes having an imagination isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. Fortunately, I already know I’ll have to wait two weeks for the results (appointment’s already booked); so that will help somewhat to minimize the thinking/worrying.

    • 75 japa21
      February 4, 2015 at 4:10 pm

      You know you have a whole community here that is behind you, so let us handle the worrying for you.

    • February 4, 2015 at 4:18 pm

      Sending you lots of positive thoughts, vc. Try not to get ahead of yourself, each person is different. I’ve found that most if not all doctors seem most inclined to say tests are inconclusive as way to protect them from a lawsuit IF and only IF a condition changes. So it is in an odd way a positive in most cases.

      We’ll all be thinking of you and keeping you safe from our end. Please update us if you are so inclined. {{{{vc}}}}

      • 78 vcprezofan2
        February 4, 2015 at 4:42 pm

        {{{Meta}}} Thanks!
        Funny enough, both doctors gave me the spiel about it’s more than likely nothing as it doesn’t hurt, was not hard to the touch, yada, yada, so I really was relaxed until I read Camille’s paragraph. Of course, by tomorrow (when I have to be at work and busy) I will likely have pushed today’s mental twinges aside. It’s great to be reminded that I have tons of support though. And yes, Meta, I will update TODobots with whatever is discovered. Between last year and this there seems to be an unending amount of trips to the doctor, mostly for ‘checkups’.

    • February 4, 2015 at 7:36 pm

      Well now young lady, no need to worry or fret. There’s an aria in your future, from which you’ll raise roof tops and shatter fine crystal. {{{#vctheinvincible}}}

      • 82 vcprezofan2
        February 4, 2015 at 8:22 pm

        {{{Cookem}}}!!! That will be the day! Have you forgotten I am way over on the other side of musical? 😀 I was thinking of you not too long ago when JO’B, JackieG and I were encouraging each other on the subject of January exercises. I figured you are currently marking time inside while awaiting the spring, so that you can go running though the woods greeting woodland creatures.

        Nice to see you up close instead of peAking over the fence!

  18. 83 EricFive
    February 4, 2015 at 3:36 pm

    I have come to the conclusion that this Libertarian “personal freedom” and “responsibility only to one’s self” dogma we are seeing more and more of, is the attempt of the 1% to mainstream their particularly virulent brand of selfishness and greed. This is about political power, same as the “right to life” and repeal of abortion rights movement has a definite political motivation (i.e., the need for more White babies to counteract the growth of non-White populations in America). Letting the wealthy off the hook for refusing to paying their fair share of taxes is more likely from an electorate indoctrinated in this brand of selfishness than one that subscribes to a more community based view of the world. The 1%ers want to be extremely rich in a poor country, instead of being slightly less rich in a prosperous country. This is why the redistribution of wealth is demonized by the MSM/GOP (unless it is going to the 1%). As a result, we have GOPers saying restaurant workers don’t have to wash their hands after using the bathroom and the GOP/MSM giving a platform to selfish and stupid people who put the community at large in danger by refusing to vaccinate their children. We have crumbling roads and infrastructure because the Owner class don’t want to do anything for the common good (they use the racist hatred for PBO to gain the acceptance of the knuckle draggers who mindlessly cheer as their country deteriorates around them, but this selfish, me first attitude was present long before PBO became President). In addition, the austerity movement in Europe is another example of this mindset. This is a worldwide phenomenom, with the 1%ers using every tool at their disposal (media, judicial and political) to accumulate an ever larger piece of the pie, while the masses fight each other for the crumbs.

    • 84 jackiegrumbacher
      February 4, 2015 at 3:54 pm

      Excellent analysis, Eric, and I agree with every word. People who are NOT the 1 percent are running out of time to wake up and fight back. They are heading for, or currently are, no better than serfs, as Warren Buffet predicted.

    • 86 Vicki
      February 4, 2015 at 5:22 pm

      Eric, I am sad to say that I agree with you on all your points stated here.
      Especially the preference to be rich in a poor enslaved country. They will build walls around their gated cities and have high priced toll roads and bridges to advantage their travel.

      Israel is already doing this. Just that the roads are divided on basis of Jews and non-Jews.

  19. February 4, 2015 at 3:37 pm

    INDEED!!

  20. February 4, 2015 at 3:46 pm

    Great piece, Tally. Thank you for your well-reasoned efforts to break through the assumptions of those who don’t take this issue seriously.

  21. February 4, 2015 at 3:53 pm

    Shit that happens at the library.

    • 94 No Child Left Behind
      February 4, 2015 at 3:56 pm

      I feel you. But better that than one of those nut cases go on a rampage killing just because they are mad or unhappy!

    • 95 0388jojothecat
      February 4, 2015 at 6:06 pm

      Did someone ask her to read the sign out front….it’s a L I B R A R Y……not EHarmony

  22. 96 No Child Left Behind
    February 4, 2015 at 3:58 pm

    But I wish they could force him to visit an eye doctor.

  23. 101 No Child Left Behind
    February 4, 2015 at 3:59 pm

    Better late than never.

  24. 102 No Child Left Behind
    February 4, 2015 at 4:02 pm

    Good job!

  25. 103 jackiegrumbacher
    February 4, 2015 at 4:09 pm

    Thanks for your insight on vaccinations, Tally. I was born before a lot of vaccines were introduced, except for diptheria, and we all had to take the hits–measles, chickenpox, whooping cough. It was miserable and dangerous, even though we were too young to know that. Polio was a huge scare for every parent and kid, especially in the summer when people congregated around public pools. We all saw the terrifying photos of brave kids in iron lungs in magazines and newsreels and prayed that we wouldn’t be struck down. The sweetest, kindest boy in my class died of polio when I was in fifth grade and I will never forget him because he was buried near my parents’ grave in my hometown. The polio vaccine was a Godsend and we all lined up in the school nurse’s office and got our shots. I would never, ever take for granted the peace of mind that shot gave my family. Anyone who would put their children at risk of serious sickness and even death, has lost all sense of reason and responsibility. It’s a form of children abuse, in my opinion.

  26. February 4, 2015 at 4:21 pm

    thanks for this Tally.

    On point.

    • 105 carolyn
      February 4, 2015 at 6:30 pm

      My experience is like Jackie’s. I too was born before these “childhood disease” vaccinations, and I had them all, except diphtheria. I had whooping cough, measles, both kinds, chicken pox, and mumps. The measles were LOOOONG and I had to be in a darkened room, couldn’t read, so my eyes wouldn’t be weakened. I came down with mumps on Valentine’s Day and missed the party!

      When the polio vaccine came out we were THRILLED!!! Like Jackie, I remember pictures in Life magazine of young children in iron lungs. That was my dread and fear and had nightmares about that. We lined up in high school for our Salk vaccines, and the yearbook has a picture of us lined up. It was a GOOD day for all of us.

      All those childhood diseases had possible bad side effects. This information needs to be pounded into these stupid people’s heads. Every mother with a son made sure he was exposed to mumps and got them before puberty, because, if a boy got them after puberty, he would likely be sterile.

      How far back do these people want to take us!!!

  27. 106 No Child Left Behind
    February 4, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    NYorkers, beware!

  28. 107 No Child Left Behind
    February 4, 2015 at 4:51 pm

    Wow!

  29. 109 No Child Left Behind
    February 4, 2015 at 4:55 pm

    They need our prayers before a wacko goes berserk.

  30. 110 No Child Left Behind
    February 4, 2015 at 4:57 pm

    LMAO!!!

  31. 116 No Child Left Behind
    February 4, 2015 at 5:00 pm

    I hope NASA doesn’t bring the extraterrestrial life back on Earth. There are enough wackos down here.

  32. 117 No Child Left Behind
    February 4, 2015 at 5:02 pm

    Congrats VA Villagers!

  33. February 4, 2015 at 5:02 pm

    News just broke few minutes that Gov. Haslam’s Insure TN was voted down in the Senate. So very sad and wrong. These people are pro-life??????? NOT!!!!!!!!

  34. 121 Linda
    February 4, 2015 at 5:23 pm

    CNN must be thrilled…..they have another plane incident to speculate on 24/7.

  35. February 4, 2015 at 5:26 pm

    I know deals are struck at various times but this is just gross:

    • 123 Nena20409
      February 4, 2015 at 6:25 pm

      It was reported to be true in 2008.
      The main reason then Sen Obama quickly dismissed any further support from Edwards.

  36. February 4, 2015 at 5:29 pm

    Beauty break!!

  37. 125 Dudette
    February 4, 2015 at 5:34 pm

  38. February 4, 2015 at 5:37 pm

    OK, last joke:

  39. 133 Allison
    February 4, 2015 at 5:56 pm

  40. 134 Nena20409
    February 4, 2015 at 6:01 pm

    Hello TOD.
    Gold ⭐ for Allison, Congrats!

  41. 135 Nena20409
    February 4, 2015 at 6:05 pm

    Yep.
    Didn’t he also gave up his “Obama” name, but picked it back up as Senator Obama became more famous and eventually as he became POTUS?

  42. 136 Nena20409
    February 4, 2015 at 6:06 pm

    Wow!

  43. February 4, 2015 at 6:09 pm

  44. February 4, 2015 at 6:11 pm

    Jennifer Palmieri is leaving the WH to join Camp Hilary. UGH.

  45. 142 Nena20409
    February 4, 2015 at 6:26 pm

    Tally, what a wonderful piece. Thanks.

  46. 143 0388jojothecat
    February 4, 2015 at 6:58 pm

    Wonderful post Lovely Tally. Many of us are baby boomers and were vaccinated free at school. I received the polio sugar vaccine, TB tested, and small pox. I was six months when my brother brought home chicken pox so since I was recovering from hernia surgery they kept me at the hospital. I latter got the worse case of chicken pox and have the marks to prove it. My brothers and I caught the mumps and the measles twice (German and regular measles within months of each other). Apparently we were not vaccinated for any of the childhood diseases and I can only assume that our family doctors felt it was better to get the chicken pox, measles and mumps at a young age this was back in the 1950’s when we were not vaccinated like kids are today. I know my friends kids were vaccinated at young ages and did not get the boosters and came down with chicken pox, mumps, and measles as teenagers. Once you get the disease you no longer need to be inoculated again.

  47. February 4, 2015 at 8:54 pm

    Thank you! Small words but from the heart!


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