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Jan
15

On Charlie Hebdo, Satire, And The Thin Line

Joe Sacco

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My thoughts have been in a roil since the Charlie Hebdo attack, and the subsequent murder of shoppers in a kosher supermarket.

As a card-carrying librarian, my professional DNA says that I’m a free speech absolutist.

But, also as a card carrying librarian, I have reason and common sense to guide me. And in life there are no absolutes.

The cartoonists working for Charlie Hebdo did not deserve to die. In a pluralistic democracy, no one should die for words or images. I can say categorically that the murders were unconscionable and without justification. It’s a truism of life that you’ll be offended, repeatedly. And violence is never an acceptable response.

But the elevation of Charlie Hebdo to some bastion of free speech troubles me.

At its best, it was a puerile satirical magazine. At its worst, it published pieces of amazing bile, directed not only at Muslims, but at gays, women, and pretty much everyone within its sights.

Satire is the greatest weapon a free people has. (Sorry, NRA, it’s not guns.) With satire, you can cut down the mighty and highlight injustices and inconsistencies in your society. Many of the best cartoons I’ve seen were published after the Ferguson and Eric Garner decisions, puncturing the pretensions of the satisfied majority.

Satire is at its best when it attacks the powerful, cutting them down to size. One can say that is its raison d’etre.

But who was Charlie Hebdo satirizing?

Attacking ossified Arab states with their sclerotic elites? Those are worthy targets. They keep many more Muslims oppressed than does the French government.

But from a reading of the magazine, it seems that it attacked those without power. Not Muslim leaders, but Islam. Not feminist leaders, but women in general. And who is served by attacking gays?

Satire applied to those with power is a speaking of truth. Satire applied to the powerless is nothing but bullying and meanness.

In principle, as a believer in free speech, I will defend Charlie Hebdo’s right to be vile. But don’t expect me to say “Je suis Charlie Hebdo”. Non, je ne suis pas Charlie. Je suis, vraiment, Ahmed. I am Ahmed, the police officer murdered by the terrorists as he tried to stop them. A Muslim murdered by radical Muslims, defending a magazine which in its pages saw him as less than human.

There is a thin line between satire and vituperation. We saw this in World War II and its aftermath. Julius Streicher, publisher of the vile anti-Jewish newspaper Der Sturmer, didn’t have actual blood on his hands. But he was hung, because his paper was part of the apparatus of death.

No, Charlie Hebdo is not Der Sturmer. In France the answer to speech with which you disagree should be more speech. But the comparison is illustrative. Satire against the powerless only serves to objectify them even more as “the Other”. Satire aimed at the powerless serves only to oppress them further.

It’s a fine line. It’s difficult to tread, much less police. Charlie Hebdo will be back to publishing, and that’s as it should be. But if we’re to survive as a species, we have to at some point come to an understanding that wholesale mockery of other cultures serves no purpose. It will only inflame the reptile portion of our brains which govern the fight or flight response. And we’ll have more massacres, more murders, more death. I hope that the tragedy of the Charlie Hebdo deaths can start a conversation about what satire should target, and how we can learn to live in a world full of difference.


109 Responses to “On Charlie Hebdo, Satire, And The Thin Line”


  1. 1 jacquelineoboomer
    January 11, 2015 at 2:24 pm

    Off to read this, LL. Thanks.

  2. 4 Dudette
    January 11, 2015 at 2:26 pm

  3. 5 Dudette
    January 11, 2015 at 2:27 pm

  4. 6 Dudette
    January 11, 2015 at 2:29 pm

    Brilliant, LL! Just brilliant! Bravo!

  5. 8 jacquelineoboomer
    January 11, 2015 at 2:30 pm

  6. 9 Nena20409
    January 11, 2015 at 2:32 pm

    Bravo! Bravo! Bravo!
    These lines illustrated The Point best for me too.
    “There is a thin line between satire and vituperation. We saw this in World War II and its aftermath. Julius Streicher, publisher of the vile anti-Jewish newspaper Der Sturmer, didn’t have actual blood on his hands. But he was hung, because his paper was part of the apparatus of death.”
    The French have The Capacity to Discussions, Debates, etc. I am hoping that in time, as their deliberation will No Doubt continue….they will try and come up with ways to debate the Difference.
    I don’t believe that they are elevating The Content of what this Magazine held……but their Right to exist……matters.

    I fear that wicked politicians like Netanyahu make Honest discussions hard. I hope that his injection to purge the French Jews to migrate to Israel need to be called out too.

  7. 10 sjterrid
    January 11, 2015 at 2:32 pm

    Thank you, LL for this brilliant essay.

    Good afternoon, evening TOD!

  8. 11 Linda
    January 11, 2015 at 2:33 pm

    Both CNN and Meet the Press tried to get AG Holder to talk about General Betrayus. He refused.

  9. 13 Nena20409
    January 11, 2015 at 2:33 pm

    Au ⭐ for J’OB.

  10. 15 jacquelineoboomer
    January 11, 2015 at 2:34 pm

    To sum it all up:

  11. 16 SUE DUVALL SMITH
    January 11, 2015 at 2:36 pm

    VIOLENCE BEGETS VIOLENCE AND NOONE EVER WINS…THEY JUST THINK THEY DO….GOD BLESS THE PEACEMAKERS IN THIS WORLD…AS FEW AS THEY MAY BE!,,,TWO STEPS FORWARD…3 STEPS BACK…NOTHING EVER CHANGES!

  12. 17 Nena20409
    January 11, 2015 at 2:40 pm

  13. 18 Nena20409
    January 11, 2015 at 2:43 pm

    Our problems are man-made, therefore they may be solved by man. And man can be as big as he wants. No problem of human destiny is beyond human beings.

    John F. Kennedy

    • 19 jacquelineoboomer
      January 11, 2015 at 2:46 pm

      If it weren’t for President Obama, this “child of the ’60s” would miss those poetic ’60s voices even more.

  14. 20 jacquelineoboomer
    January 11, 2015 at 2:44 pm

    Personally, I am so very glad that President Obama and Vice President Biden are not at the Paris rally, for security reasons only. They are there in their policies and their spirits and their hearts, better than some others who grab the mic. Perhaps that last part is unfair, but – there – I said it.

  15. 23 jacquelineoboomer
    January 11, 2015 at 2:50 pm

  16. 24 Dudette
    January 11, 2015 at 2:52 pm

  17. 25 jacquelineoboomer
    January 11, 2015 at 2:53 pm

    I’m plugging the speech – not necessarily the book, which I haven’t read!

  18. 26 Dudette
    January 11, 2015 at 2:55 pm

  19. 27 Linda
    January 11, 2015 at 2:55 pm

    On MTP today, Clifford Sloan said that Gitmo will be closed before PBO leaves office . He also to UpChuck to never underestimate PBO’s commitment to getting that done.

  20. 28 Dudette
    January 11, 2015 at 3:09 pm

    Squeeee! 😀

  21. 32 Dudette
    January 11, 2015 at 3:12 pm

    Rolling out to gather up posse to go see the movie! Catch ya later!

  22. 38 a4alice
    January 11, 2015 at 3:12 pm

    thank you LL you articulated most excellently the importance of free speech but also the absurdity of this situation. Like that marcher’s sign up thread “I march, but I’m conscientious of the confusion and the hypocrisy of the situation”. I hope your post gets passed around and retweeted!

  23. 39 vcprezofan2
    January 11, 2015 at 3:27 pm

    Very well said, Lib_L! Really captures why I’ve found it hard to say/accept ‘Je suis Charlie’. I couldn’t in all conscience be him, or on the other hand side with the murderers. I saw the Sacco strip recently, agreed with his arguments, but couldn’t remember where I had seen it and who the cartoonist was. Thank you.

  24. 41 Nena20409
    January 11, 2015 at 3:29 pm

    The Tweet by RMurdoch and the Reply by J.K Rowling(sp)……Perfect.
    How I wish some tweeted too about RuppertM and his 7.5% partner from Saudi Arabia. The House of Saud and Their constant funding of those who engage in Violence……..are also part of the problem.

    The same is also truth to US’s constant Nodding and support of Nethanyahu’s duplicity against the Palestinians……where their Homeland is concerned.

  25. 42 Nena20409
    January 11, 2015 at 3:35 pm

    • 43 CEB
      January 11, 2015 at 4:48 pm

      Out of respect for everyone here, I will not make the vulgar scathing comment that I am itching to make about how irresponsible Petraeus was in carrying out his duties as CIA Director. It is really interesting how one-by-one, all of the false heroes and the formerly powerful are being revealed for who they really are from Steve Kroft to Cantor to Mitt to Petraeus, Lady Karma is sweeping the trash away. It is also sweet revenge because so many of them have treated PBO, a man of great honor, with disrespect. I also think of all of the times that PBO ignored them and kept focused on his responsibilities and I am reminded of the scripture that counsels us not to get involved in payback; Vengeance is mine, said the Lord; I will repay.”

      • 44 GGail
        January 11, 2015 at 4:57 pm

        YES! YES! YES! Thanks CEB

      • 45 idon
        January 11, 2015 at 5:09 pm

        Oh I’m right there with you. Petraeus was supposedly a “man of God”, a man who believed in “family values”, honor respect and country. He was supposedly a “patriot”. Yet he had no respect for his Commander In Chief. And to me this his greatest transgression. But in return for his disrespect of PBO, he has destroyed his career, his legacy and made others disrepect him. He should be charged because you cannot share secrets as the CIA director and go free when those who report to him have been convicted and jailed.

  26. 46 Nerdy Wonka
    January 11, 2015 at 3:37 pm

    If there is one movie, you, your friends, your neighbors, your family should see, it is Selma.

    Run….Run…RUN to the movies and watch this masterpiece. Last year’s must watch movie was 12 Years A Slave. This year it is Selma.

    The first five minutes of the movie will take your breath away and make you sob for this country and for what Black people have suffered, toiled, fought, and died for.

    Bravo to Ava Duvernay, David Oyelowo, Lorraine Toussaint, Oprah, Carmen Ejogo, Wendell Pierce, André Holland and everyone affiliated with the movie. Stellar directing and acting. Stellar! They did not give in to pressure to white wash and praise people who didn’t deserve it. They did not cuddle anyone. They told the story of a movement. To the critics who don’t like a torch blowing away the darkness, to the critics who don’t appreciate unvarnished truth and want to hide what injustice was done and is still being done, well then, tough titties.

    Selma shows us that it is not just one person but a movement that will save the soul of America. Selma shows you that you can take pride in the strides we’ve made and are continuing to make, but we must never rest. We must never be asleep, and we must keep on fighting because there are future generations who need us.

    The movie could not have been released at a more timely moment in history. The juxtaposition of real life and the movie are eerily chilling. The music (bravo to everyone, but especially Common and John Legend) – stay until the very end of the movie. Don’t leave. – The scenery, the people, the children, the pain, the rage, the death, the tears, the blood, the hate, the ability to forgive people who want you to burn to death just because of the color of your skin, and ultimately the hope that no matter the struggle, that one day we shall overcome.

    Selma is amazing in every respect.

    • January 11, 2015 at 4:54 pm

      NW says…

      Selma shows you that you can take pride in the strides we’ve made and are continuing to make, but we must never rest. We must never be asleep, and we must keep on fighting because there are future generations who need us.

      *****************

      YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

    • 49 Vicki
      January 11, 2015 at 5:10 pm

      I just got home from the theater and agree with ALL of Nerdy’s comments. Here are some of my observations:

      Not a person in the audience stood up until the last credit rolled. I cannot recall seeing this much respect in recent years.

      The first few minutes were a punch in the gut even if you were my age and knew from the visual cue (stained glass window) what was coming. Selma starts on a wrenching high note and does not let up.

      As JER and Dudette have said, in NYC Mayor de Blasio has arranged for free screenings for middle school students. GOOD! I hope this film makes a ton of money and then is played for free all over our country.

      One small pleasure was Martin Sheen’s role.
      Also loved seeing Wendell Pierce, Common and other familiar faces.
      Also the inclusion of Viola Liuzzo and other heros of our past.
      A very young Harry Belafonte in the archival footage.

      After seeing Selma you have to wonder how in 50 years voting became too much trouble for many in our country.
      How evil and pervasive is the propaganda that has convinced a people that voting isn’t an absolute responsibility.

      That is my big takeaway. We have heard John Lewis talk about the precious right of voting. In Selma we see a gifted young actor bring Congressman Lewis’ history to life. Now the task is to get every adult to exercise their precious right.

      A great movie. Do Not Miss.

      • 50 GGail
        January 11, 2015 at 5:22 pm

        Vicki, I’m glad you enjoyed the movie. Having been one who lived through the struggle, I wonder how voting – especially for those in the South – has become too much trouble. It would be really beneficial if states in the South would make it required or free viewing for their young people.

    • January 11, 2015 at 5:57 pm

      back from seeing it, and ICAM with your review

  27. 52 jacquelineoboomer
    January 11, 2015 at 3:40 pm

  28. 53 forus50
    January 11, 2015 at 3:45 pm

    Very thought provoking post LL, thank you.
    It’s interesting that the French authorities had previously shut down the magazine for mockery of the death of former Pres. Charles de Gaulle.
    http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/07/charlie-hebdo-has-had-a-long-tradition-of-disrespect-and-provocation/

  29. 56 mtmarilyn
    January 11, 2015 at 3:48 pm

    LL, as always your post are right on. You are able to put into words my thoughts. I so believe in free speech, but I have a problem with some cartoons and some satire, so I just stay away from them. I have a real problem with Nutyahoo being there for this march.

  30. January 11, 2015 at 3:49 pm

    LL thanks we share the same sentiments which I expressed in previous thread. I have every mixed emotions and those who treasure freedom of the press must also realize that, for lack of a better word, “provocation” oftentimes has negative end results ….

  31. 58 Nerdy Wonka
    January 11, 2015 at 3:54 pm

  32. 59 Nena20409
    January 11, 2015 at 4:17 pm

    Oh my World.
    GreenBay Packers 26
    Dallas Cowboys 21

    I am a Happy Fool.
    I stopped watching when the score read Packers 13 and Cowboys 14 and ready to score a Touchdown.

  33. 71 Nena20409
    January 11, 2015 at 4:22 pm

  34. 72 theo67
    January 11, 2015 at 4:24 pm

    Well done, LL.

  35. 73 forus50
    January 11, 2015 at 4:26 pm

  36. 77 CEB
    January 11, 2015 at 4:32 pm

    Thanks for your review of Selma with the added tweets, NW. As someone who lived through and came of age during the Civil Rights Period of the 50’s and 60’s, I find it hard to relive the pain and the struggle of that period through film, but I am so glad that the director and producers fought for it and brought it to light so that the younger generations can learn from which the freedoms that they take for granted came from. I am also saddened by the fact that we are still fighting the same battles, but the lesson is that we cannot pause in the midst of the far because a few battles have been won.
    I loved the song from John Legend and Common; off to look for it on Itunes.

  37. January 11, 2015 at 4:39 pm

    Thanks LL for this excellent read. The hypocrisy and ignorance the festers in the media on this entire issue is astonishing, maddening, and saddening.

  38. 80 GGail
    January 11, 2015 at 4:40 pm

    LL, I came home and found that you’ve voiced what only you could do so well. Your words along with this great cartoon is so spot on! Thank you!

  39. 81 99ts
    January 11, 2015 at 4:44 pm

    Thank you LL – some sanity amid the RWNJ screams for another country to be invaded to “pay” for the losses in France. I didn’t before realize that the RW of US politics was in love with the French.

  40. January 11, 2015 at 4:50 pm

    • 83 Linda
      January 11, 2015 at 4:57 pm

      Today, Senator Hoeven admitted that the Republicans do not have enough votes to override the veto.

      So, why are they even bothering to do this ? They are once again wasting our tax money

      • 84 99ts
        January 11, 2015 at 5:24 pm

        Because their one goal is to legislate against what PBO is for & do nothing to help the American people. Wondering what people thought they would achieve by voting for them – my country is no better – vote for the right & then get upset when they do as they promised – hit on the poor.

  41. January 11, 2015 at 4:51 pm

    Thanks for the thoughtful comments, all.

    At first I wasn’t going to write about the attacks, just because the elevation of the magazine seemed so distasteful. But, you can be for freedom of the press and condemn the murders while still having grave reservations of the type of journalism practiced by CH. And seeing leaders at the Paris march who suppress their own press was just insane.

  42. January 11, 2015 at 4:53 pm

    LL…

    your essay points out the difficulty in Freedom of Speech..

    .Hate Speech and Writings have impact…although we do not see to want to hold the hate mongers accountable for that….

    i think of the shootings of Gabby Giffords …the bombings of abortion clinics…and the most recent bombing of the NAACP office..we easily talk about the “radicalization” of citizens by Al Qaeda…but there has always been radicalization of citizens by…the KLAN…. & RW media such as Hannity and Limbaugh…

    They have to be held accountable….

    A hate monger can call me the “N” word and folks will defend his right to use it…WHY??…

    for those who have the hateful speech directed at them…are we always supposed to just take the higher road and ignore it…turn the other cheek….

    racism and racist talk is so prevalent and accepted by the mainstream that there are those who would challenge you that racism even exists…

    LL says….
    But if we’re to survive as a species, we have to at some point come to an understanding that wholesale mockery of other cultures serves no purpose. It will only inflame the reptile portion of our brains which govern the fight or flight response.

    **********

    I would add…that this is true not just for the people who are mocked but for the folks who are doing the mocking..

    • 87 a4alice
      January 11, 2015 at 5:32 pm

      well said PrettyFoot. I don’t know how that happens (in regards to your last line) but until civilization acts civilized there will be brutes and brutish people who will denigrate and dehumanize just because “free speech”. Putting negative energy into the universe just makes for a bad time for all but especially the people that are the brunt of the negativity.

    • January 11, 2015 at 5:38 pm

      Well said, prettyfoot. And great diary, LL.

    • January 11, 2015 at 5:48 pm

      Kuddos to both you and LL! Thoughtful points, well elaborated. I am with you.

  43. January 11, 2015 at 5:27 pm

    Back from seeing Selma.

    It was powerful, from beginning to end.

    There are moments where the tears choked up in my throat.

    The film grabs you from pretty much the first five minutes, with the horrific 16th Street Bombing.

    What was not to like?

    I don’t know.

    The casting was on spot.

    David Oyelowo- ceased to exist and became Martin Luther King. I couldn’t see Mr. Oyelowo from about the first quarter of the movie gone, I really tried to see him, but he was gone.

    Carmen Ejogo- captured the grace, elegance, pain and humanity of Coretta Scott King.

    The young man who played John Lewis – He LOOKED like a young John Lewis.

    The man who played Malcolm X – also a dead ringer.

    I absolutely loved that they showed the different layers to the movement. I loved how they showed the different purposes of the different groups. SNCC was on the ground, down with the locals…..where as Dr. King and his group had an entire agenda, but that they had to work together.

    I appreciated the reports from the FBI, and Dr. King and his fellow jailers talking about their jail cell being bugged – so GTFOH with this NSA whining, when THIS was going on in the 1960’s.

    I LOVED the scene where they sat around and strategized about exactly what they wanted. They had to break down to its basic building block of what this voter suppression was about. I knew about Literacy Tests and Poll Taxes, but the whole ‘ you need someone to VOUCH for you when you registered to vote’ – I was like WTF?

    The scene with Oprah’s character trying to register to vote, and had to recite the preamble to the Constitution, and then once she got over that hurdle, then there was another one, and another one. She was never going to pass. When I say that voter suppression is PERSONAL- nothing but personal. Which is why we know it when we see it, a mile away, no matter what kind of bullshyt you try and hide it as. WE KNOW someone who was told to tell how many bubbles in a bar of soap, so you can try and rationalize the modern day poll taxes all you want – we know it when we see it, and you can’t sell that bullshyt as anything other than what it is.

    There are also little things that hit you. Watching the group assemble on the Edmund Pettis Bridge, carrying their suitcases, knapsacks, etc. Of course they did,because they knew that they couldn’t just stop anywhere and get accomodations – not for food, let alone a place to sleep. Things we take for granted.

    The movie was powerful. The acting was top knotch. It grips you from beginning to end.

    Bravo.

    • 91 CEB
      January 11, 2015 at 5:58 pm

      Thanks for your insights. As I said up-thread, it was so painful to come of age during this time, that I may not be able to relive it through this film. There is a kind of PTSD that many of us, especially those like my mother who are in their 80’s, suffer from those times and watching it again may cause some problems, However, I am so thankful that the film is out so that the younger generation can learn their history (Black and White) and that the older ones can be rejuvenated for the fight that remains. I can personally connect with the times when A A’s could not go to public restrooms or stay in hotels while traveling. When we would go from Florida to Georgia, my mom made sandwiches that he ate from the picnic basket that was kept in the trunk of the car on the side of the road or in an empty parking lot,and at times, used the side of the highway as a restroom. But fast forward almost 50 years later when I was able to take my mother on a first class cross country trip that finally wound up in Seattle and Vancouver. The thing that touched my then 82 year-old mother the most, was the time when the train backed up to where we were waiting to go aboard to our first class accommodations. You see, she lived through the days such a thing was unheard of even if you had the money. We have come along way, but we do need to be reminded of all of the sacrifices that made our current lives possible and to strengthen us to carry on the fight until the final victory is won. It is so meaningful that the movie was released during these difficult times.

      • 92 GGail
        January 11, 2015 at 6:17 pm

        CEB, I too lived during the time when we had to travel from the south to the north, that we had fried chicken, bread, and fruit in our basket to each while traveling cuz we children knew we would not be able to stop and eat in a restaurant – either until we arrived in Ohio or after we left Ohio. I fondly remember a Howard Johnson’s restaurant on I-75 that was our beacon – if we were good little girls, we would be able to stop there and get pancakes for breakfast. 🙂

    • January 11, 2015 at 6:08 pm

      BRAVOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Commentssssss

  44. January 11, 2015 at 5:38 pm

    Good analysis,LL. These French purveyors of press freedom are phony when they demand the right to insult and demean others, but give a pass to the French govt. making it illegal for a Muslim woman to wear a scarf.

    I am glad the Selma has come out at this time, when there is such an assault on the right to vote and the violations by the police. It is a good reminder to America about where we have come from and how we can’t go back.

  45. 95 arapaho415
    January 11, 2015 at 5:56 pm

    LL deserves a syndicated column available to all Americans.

    Great insight on the truth about Charlie’s “satire” that created a gnawing doubt among many of us.
    “Satire against the powerless only serves to objectify them even more as “the Other”. Satire aimed at the powerless serves only to oppress them further.”

    Yes. Well said sir, you deserve a bonus. Please see even amk for your check.

    • January 11, 2015 at 6:08 pm

      As you all know, I see saw between atheism and agnosticism. I see religion as doing more harm than good in the scale of things. But then there are people like MLK, Gandhi, Pope Francis, and I can’t discard religion entirely. So, long ago I decided I wouldn’t take the piss out of religion and the religious just to take the piss out of them. It doesn’t change minds, and it makes me look small and mealy mouthed.Insulting religion—or women, or gays, or any other of the world’s cultures—just because you can isn’t satire, it’s bullying.

      Thanks, Arapaho. I’ll see amk later for my bank draft. 😆

  46. January 11, 2015 at 5:59 pm

    Meanwhile…

  47. January 11, 2015 at 6:01 pm

  48. 102 Allison
    January 11, 2015 at 6:12 pm

    • 103 0388jojothecat
      January 11, 2015 at 8:23 pm

      You know they are going to try to nickle & dime PBO’s funds for his library like they did Clinton. Most is from private money which I would gladly give or buy books etc.

  49. 104 Linda
    January 11, 2015 at 6:15 pm

    I have searched the entire internet looking for that moment when millions marched and all the world’s leaders came to the USA in support of the 911 attacks.

    How come I can’t find anything ? oh wait…..no one came.

    • 105 Linda
      January 11, 2015 at 6:18 pm

      Most of those hypocrites currently have journalists in jail right now.

      I am pissed at the media bashing PBO for not going or sending ” A higher level person than Eric Holder ” who I guess in chump change in our media.

    • 106 yardarm756
      January 11, 2015 at 6:21 pm

      Imagine that….I wonder why? Maybe something was hiding in the “Bushes”, eh! 😉

  50. January 11, 2015 at 7:33 pm

    Thank you for this clearly reasoned and deeply humane post, Liberal Librarian and Chips.

  51. 109 amk for obama
    January 11, 2015 at 9:08 pm

    Nice read, LL. I too was turned by the reactions of the french, pols and the press that were over the top. Sending Holder was a bit of jab at the “world leaders” over the racial inequality present in the ‘ egalitarian western’ world.

    As for mocking religions and gods, I am all for it. Without mocking and questioning, they would have become monsters that would have devoured us long time ago. From a personal pov, our hindu religious stories, scriptures, epics etc. are full of instances of mocking, questioning, shaming and even punishing “gods and goddesses” for their mistakes and sins. This aspect of self introspection and questioning seems to be missing in islam. They need their fucking infidels in order to survive.


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