Chat On!

On This Day: President Barack Obama jokes with Vice President Joe Biden in the Oval Office, Dec. 21, 2010 (Photo by Pete Souza)


MoooOOOooorning again everyone, another quiet posting day for me while I get this flippin’ work done!

149 Responses to “Chat On!”

  1. 9 a4alice
    December 21, 2014 at 10:41 am

    found this over at NatGeo.

  2. 11 vcprezofan2
    December 21, 2014 at 10:43 am

    Morning Chips Chica! Your obsession with chatting is really….an obsession. Are you allergic to quiet, to listening? If we are all chatting, then who will listen? [I must say these ‘philosophical’ questions do plague me from time to time when I enter the village.]

    O, – Greetings, all ye citizens of TODvillage! May your day be sunny and bright, y’all!

  3. 30 a4alice
    December 21, 2014 at 10:44 am

  4. 31 MightyPamela
    December 21, 2014 at 10:50 am


  5. December 21, 2014 at 10:54 am

    I am gonna miss those two guys! Morning again everyone.

  6. 33 MightyPamela
    December 21, 2014 at 10:56 am

    Good Solstice morning, my dears TOD! Working on Sunday now, so will say Hello, send blessings and hugs, back later. Daughter coming in tomorrow. I must say having her on the same continent, and the same coast, is a big, lovely change from her living DownUnda. except I don’t know when I may visit Down again. Anyway, bye. ❤

  7. 34 vcprezofan2
    December 21, 2014 at 11:10 am

    Here’s the “weekly” @Interior summary video! Do pass it on; it is really also a summary of what PBO (‘s Admin) has done in this area in 2014.

    • 35 vcprezofan2
      December 21, 2014 at 11:16 am

    • 38 a4alice
      December 21, 2014 at 11:29 am

      nice! thx VC 🙂

      • 39 vcprezofan2
        December 21, 2014 at 11:35 am

        YW, a4A. Are you mostly ready for Xmas day? I suppose I’ll have to go shopping Monday or Tuesday since I haven’t yet decided what I’ll be cooking, or if I’m baking this year. 😉

        • 40 a4alice
          December 21, 2014 at 11:40 am

          Nope. Not me. I’m slowly panicking. I’m usually more on top of it but not this year. We mostly make hand made gifts – we’re all older and I don’t have any great-nieces or nephews as yet to spoil. I can’t wait for that!

          • 41 vcprezofan2
            December 21, 2014 at 11:57 am

            In previous years, I have been known to have gifts bought by the end of summer. Nowadays, I’m really not interested so I don’t shop for presents, per se. I figure I’ll find something to wrap from among the things I bought as I went along during the year, BUT I do have to go get food items. Problem is I don’t really want to cook, or bake, but the ‘youngsters’ here are too inexperienced to handle a holiday meal. (I have no desire for pasta! 😀 )

  8. December 21, 2014 at 11:11 am

    Good Morning TODVille!

    Congrats to Isonprize for his gold!

  9. December 21, 2014 at 11:18 am

  10. 45 vcprezofan2
    December 21, 2014 at 11:38 am

    Article shared – Sat Oct. 11, 2014
    Dragons, Legos, and Solitary: Ai Weiwei’s Transformative Alcatraz Exhibition – By Shane Bauer
    There is a question that every prisoner ponders once the realization sets in that his freedom is gone: Can the mind be liberated when the body is not? It’s been a while since I’ve asked myself such a thing—I was released from an Iranian prison three years ago—but a Chinese dragon in a former prison factory at Alcatraz makes me think about it again. Its multicolored face is baring its teeth at me when I enter the cavernous room. In this space, prisoners washed military uniforms during World War II.

    The dragon is the first of many installations in the art exhibition by Chinese artist Ai Weiwei, called @Large. The beast is a startling greeter—its whiskers are paper flames—but the impression softens as I look closer. The long body, shaped like a traditional Chinese dragon kite and suspended by strings from the ceiling, snakes gracefully throughout the open factory floor, illuminated by the soft afternoon light spilling in through a multitude of little windows. Bird-shaped kites are suspended throughout the room. It is quiet. This prison room feels like freedom.

    There is more to it. Every segment of the dragon’s long body is painted with flowers from countries that seriously restrict the civil liberties of their citizens, such as Saudi Arabia and Ethiopia. Other parts of the dragon are adorned with quotes by prominent dissidents. One is from Ai Weiwei himself: “Every one of us is a potential convict.”



    • 46 vcprezofan2
      December 21, 2014 at 11:52 am

      I probably have prisons on my mind because I’ve now finished reading Bryan Stevenson’s “Just Mercy”. It was ‘haard’ to read because of its content – the knowledge that the stories shared were about the lives of real people was both revealing and disheartening. I have to add that Bryan’s approach is not negative. It is in fact proactive and positive, but having the factual descriptions of how children and handicapped people were treated was hard to swallow. I’m going to recommend the book to Bobfr specifically because Bryan also argues for a Truth and Reconciliation Commission as one piece needed for racial healing. BTW, one unnerving piece of the novel content for me, is that it reveals both historic AND current problems. I think it would have been an ‘easier’ read for me if it was only a recount of the past.

  11. 47 yardarm756
    December 21, 2014 at 11:48 am

    Gooooood morning you lot. Are you ready?

  12. 64 mtmarilyn
    December 21, 2014 at 11:51 am

    Good morning all of TODville. So thankful for a quiet day at home. Like the President I now have 2 weeks with no work. I am spending it in my home and not the beautiful sands of Hawaii. He does deserve this time. Hope he gets a quiet one.

    Hope all here at TODville has a beautiful day. Seems like for once things are much quieter than other years.

    Now I am going back and reading all that I have missed.

  13. 65 Vicki
    December 21, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    Good morning, TOD.
    I arrive this morning to add a bit of NYC perspective.
    Along with PBO and every decent human being on the planet I deplore the assasination of 2 NYC Police Officers along with the choking murder of Eric Garner in our city.

    George Pataki announced his entry into the 2016 Presidential race a week or two ago !!!???!!! Just what the GOP needs, isn’t he—–
    Ex-Governor Pataki is now and always has been a remarkably stupid Republican. His outrageous racist tweets will come as no surprise to New Yorkers.
    The tweets gave him the attention he longs for. Probably won’t be the last we hear from him.

  14. 66 GGAIL
    December 21, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    Good West Coast morning Chipsticks & TOD family!

  15. 80 JER
    December 21, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    Good afternoon Chips and TOD.

  16. December 21, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    Yet some people were ready to dismiss my suggestion yesterday that the shooter may have had a history of mental illness… The pattern of the shooting incidents along with the Twitter rantings clearly suggest a person who’s not playing with a full deck…

    • 82 GGail
      December 21, 2014 at 1:43 pm

      So now, we black people are suppose to feel guilty for wanted Justice?
      This young man was already fragile mentally, then he reads about the injustice being done to his people and he is not equipped to process it as well as most of us – and now we are to be made ashamed for wanting Justice. What if the Police Association had supported the right thing in finding the officers guilty of murdering Mr. Garner – hmmmm?

      Your injustice pushed an unbalanced person to do this. Don’t blame us.

      • 83 hopefruit2
        December 21, 2014 at 1:58 pm

        And I don’t even think that this guy was singularly focused on the “injustice being done to his people.” He had a history of firearms and criminality as well as a history of mental illness so he probably would have ended up with a similar result. He was estranged from his family and was likely on a downward spiral for reasons unrelated to the killings of Mike Brown and Eric Garner.

        Brinsley was not an activist. He was not protesting the deaths of Eric Garner and Mike Brown. He was caught up in his own failings and disappointments – including apparently, feeling rejected by the object of his affections, prompting him to shoot her before going to NYC. He may have mentioned the garner/Brown deaths as cover for the other issues. But the guy was wholly unstable and he could just as likely have shot/killed you, me or President Obama if we looked at him the “wrong” way and happened to have been in his path while he was on his delusional rampage.

        So for the media/GOP/RWNJs to try to connect him in any way to the #BlackLivesMatter protests is grasping at straws.

    • 85 idon
      December 21, 2014 at 3:56 pm

      The two officers this mentally disturbed individual killed were two officers of color so the connection to the #ICANTBREATHE and #BLACKLIVESMATTER movements seems tenuous at best. I think he killed the officers because he is mentally disturbed and had access to weapons. Maybe the family tried to alert someone and couldn’t get help. Maybe he was off his meds. But the fact he had access to guns is the problem. Being mentally disturbed is not something he and his family have control over but we as a society SHOULD have control over this disturbed man’s access to deadly weapons. The thing that pisses me off is blaming the crazed shooter’s violent behavior on our Black President and his Black Attorney General. This is dangerous talk and places the President at additional risk. We can push back against this by focusing on the shooter’s access to guns. We need to track that information and share it. We need to keep the focus on the REAL ISSUE; the need for common sense gun control. We also need to share any information on officers who have been disciplined as a result of their association or membership in anti-govt or white supremacist groups like the KKK. We need to out senators, like Lindsey Graham who grew up during the reign of the KLAN and probably have family members who were active in the organization. We need to publicize and share this information. Finally, we need to support the implementation of the President and AG’s conversations on community policing in communities of color. We need to publicize and share proposed next steps regarding these community conversations.

      • 86 hopefruit2
        December 21, 2014 at 4:37 pm

        Very well-said idon. And we have to call out the media which continues to fan flames of hate and violence while pretending to be an objective disseminator of information. The media keeps airing the inflammatory remarks of the PBA officer saying that Mayor de Blasio has blood on his hands – with no pushback or challenge, and that is very dangerous.

  17. 88 JER
    December 21, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    • 89 Vicki
      December 21, 2014 at 2:14 pm

      The GOP, the Charter School movement, Wall Street, Bloomberg, PBA, etc etc etc and NY Media have united around a singular goal which is to make Bill de Blasio a one-term Mayor.

      Patacki Giuliani the entire Dumbell caucus are singing this tune.

  18. 90 criquet
    December 21, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    GM all.

    I hope that the Democrats (all of them) call on Rudi Giuliani to retract his statements on PBO and AG Holder and apologize unreservedly. Rev Al has his show but more needs to be done.
    What he said about Pres Obama and AG Holder is outrageous and cannot be allowed to pass without redress, I think.

    How can we start a campaign to try to get this done? I guess first bombarding the Democrats and media houses?

    Any other /better ideas?

    • 91 recoop2
      December 21, 2014 at 2:39 pm

      The Democrats won’t because they’re craven. They did not stand with the president during the midterms, so what makes you think that they’re going to stand with him now on this volatile issue?

  19. 92 Ladyhawke
    December 21, 2014 at 12:49 pm

  20. 94 Jeff
    December 21, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    I get so frustrated with twitter with the lack of content that you can post. I guess I think too much to really know how to converse on the thing constructively. Too bad because it had some good things to it.

  21. December 21, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    Morning all. Spare a thought for @dcplod.

  22. December 21, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    Yep, think I’ll be staying off of twitter today.

  23. December 21, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    This ignorant bigot needs to be corrected and put in her place.

  24. 100 arapaho415
    December 21, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    GM TODville.

    These are for Vicki, upthread:

    • 101 arapaho415
      December 21, 2014 at 1:20 pm

      And a couple more…

      • 102 Vicki
        December 21, 2014 at 2:18 pm

        Hi Arapaho. Thank you so much for these tweets.
        They reinforce what is becoming clearer every day in NY.
        The forces of White Privilege meaning White Profit are coalescing in their attacks against Mayor deBlasio as well as PBO and AGHolder. It is sickening to the majority of New Yorkers who voted Overwhelmingly for PBO and BdB.
        But the media is not owned by us.
        The loudest Ugliest voices are the ones getting heard.

      • December 21, 2014 at 3:21 pm

        Rudy Giuliani is one sick racists bastard.

  25. 104 arapaho415
    December 21, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    More on the NYPD shootings:

  26. 106 criquet
    December 21, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    This is a pertinent reminder:

  27. December 21, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    Surprised to see who authored it, but it’s precisely what we at TOD have been saying, all along …

    Who’s Playing Marbles Now?

    “IN March, the House Intelligence Committee chairman, Mike Rogers, was asked on “Fox News Sunday” how he thought President Obama was handling relations with Russia versus how President Vladimir Putin had been handling relations with the United States. Rogers responded: “Well, I think Putin is playing chess, and I think we’re playing marbles. And I don’t think it’s even close.”

    Hmmm. Marbles. That’s an interesting metaphor. Actually, it turns out that Obama was the one playing chess and Putin was the one playing marbles, and it wouldn’t be wrong to say today that Putin’s lost most of his — in both senses of the word.

    Rogers was hardly alone in his Putin envy. As Jon Stewart pointed out, Fox News has had a veritable Putin love fest going since March: Sarah Palin opined to the network that: “People are looking at Putin as one who wrestles bears and drills for oil. They look at our president as one who wears mom jeans and equivocates and bloviates.” Fox contributor Rudy Giuliani observed on the same day that in contrast with Obama, Putin was “what you call a leader.”

    Only if leading your country to economic ruin is a form of leadership. And this is not Monday-morning quarterbacking. It has been obvious for months that Putin was fighting the market, Moore’s Law, Mother Nature and human nature all at once.”

    More at the link:



    • 108 Vicki
      December 21, 2014 at 2:22 pm

      Bob, I read this with my coffee this morning with equal measures of astonishment and pleasure.
      Especially enjoyed the line about Putin losing his marbles.

      Tim Egan’s piece yeserday made many of the same points but some TODers found some of his words offensive.
      Because we at TOD all along have been realizing that PBO six weeks and six months ago was the same PBO we have been in love with for the last 10 years.
      If it has taken the media a while to truly get who POTUS is, well ok, welcome on board now.

    • 110 Linda
      December 21, 2014 at 2:35 pm

      I just saw Friedman on Charlie Rose and he was very positive when talking about PBO..

      I think Charlie got sad.

  28. 111 Ladyhawke
    December 21, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    • 113 desertflower
      December 21, 2014 at 2:30 pm

      To continue:

      Taxpayers are currently spending $2.8 million per person per year to house the detainees at Gitmo. In contrast, the most expensive Supermax prison in the country costs taxpayers $78,000 per inmate per year. Without considering the moral, ethical and legal issues, Gitmo is an expensive and inefficient way of housing the detainees.

      President Obama turned the Republicans’ favorite argument against them. Republicans love to argue that taxpayers can’t afford any spending that they disagree with. Taxpayers can’t afford extending unemployment benefits, improving care for veterans, infrastructure spending, job creation programs, grants for higher education. Pick any program, and you can be certain that a Republican member of Congress has argued against it based on cost.

      They need to be held accountable for this…and that means ANYONE that thinks Gitmo should still remain open. I’m not willing to have my money spent this way!

    • 115 Linda
      December 21, 2014 at 2:38 pm

      Then she had to bring on John McSenile for a ” rebuttal “. Her word…….Ugh…

      To bad she retires carrying the GOP water buckets out as she leaves.

  29. 119 Linda
    December 21, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    German human rights group files criminal complaint against Bush Administration in wake of torture report.

    A human rights group in Berlin, Germany, has filed a criminal complaint against the architects of the George W. Bush administration’s torture program. The European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights has accused former Bush administration officials, including CIA Director George Tenet and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, of war crimes, and called for an immediate investigation by a German prosecutor.

    The move follows the release of a Senate report on CIA torture which includes the case of a German citizen, Khalid El-Masri, who was captured by CIA agents in 2004 due to mistaken identity and tortured at a secret prison in Afghanistan. So far, no one involved in the CIA torture program has been charged with a crime — except the whistleblower John Kiriakou, who exposed it.

    We speak to Michael Ratner, president emeritus of the Center for Constitutional Rights and chairman of the European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights, and longtime defense attorney Martin Garbus.


  30. 125 susanne
    December 21, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    happy hawaii morning tod ohana!
    our news sites have nothing new on the obama family vacation, which means they’re managing to avoid scrutiny as they relax together– the best kind of family get-away. meanwhile, here’s a little aloha for you!

  31. December 21, 2014 at 3:04 pm

  32. 127 GGail
    December 21, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    I just saw this touching commercial by Apple and Google’d it. I don’t know how to capture just the commercial vid.


  33. 134 vcprezofan2
    December 21, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    Off to fiddle around in the kitchen
    C U l8r

  34. 135 yardarm756
    December 21, 2014 at 4:03 pm

    I hope this comes thru. The epitome of……….!

  35. 141 idon
    December 21, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    More information on the timeline that led mentally disturbed man to kill two NYPD officers. http://news.yahoo.com/two-york-police-officers-killed-gunman-dead-nyt-001338194.html. For me, this quote from Ramos’ 13-year old son bid his father good-bye in a Facebook post late Saturday. “It’s horrible that someone gets shot dead just for being a police officer.” And I thought yes, “it’s horrible that someone gets shot dead just for being black.” We can lower the risk for police officers by enacting common sense gun control measures. But how do we protect black people from the mindset that allows a particular type of white officer (because it is a particular type) to shoot and kill unarmed black people?

    • 142 GGail
      December 21, 2014 at 4:12 pm

      You know the airing of the son’s quote was purely for emotional purposes. Talk about sticking a match. If this kid isn’t explained the whole truth, then guess what – he grows up hating…wait for it…black people.

      • 143 idon
        December 21, 2014 at 4:46 pm

        It may have been but the only thought I had was – we are just as horrified by the senseless killing of black people by a particular type of white officer. This is why I would not retweet the article even though it shows this violent mentally disturbed man had no regard for black lives because just before he claims he was thinking about Eric Garner or Michael Brown lives, he was attempting to take another black life, his girlfriend’s.

  36. 144 JER
    December 21, 2014 at 4:11 pm

  37. 146 JER
    December 21, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    President Barack Obama went golfing with friends.

  38. December 21, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    I hate the fact that the Garner and Brown families felt like they had to give disclaimers re: the killing of 2 police officers….no one in the police department has given a disclaimer denouncing the police officers who killed Mike Brown…Eric Garner….Tamir Rice…hell they have not even said that it was regrettable

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