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President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama sort toys with U.S. Marines and children during the Toys for Tots event at Joint Base Anacostia-Bolling in Washington, D.C., Dec. 10, 2014 (Photo by Pete Souza)


129 Responses to “Chat Away”


  1. 1 Allison
    December 11, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    Hey Chips and TOD Family!!

  2. 3 amk for obama
    December 11, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    psst, danny

  3. 12 Linda
    December 11, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    The media is trying to get John Brennen fired…..

    The CNN WHPC person is badgering Josh about it. I guess she does not watch her own network since they have been parading all the Torture apologists on every show all day long since the report came out.

  4. 13 Allison
    December 11, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    • December 11, 2014 at 1:33 pm

      She’s now trending on Twitter.

    • 15 Obama Grandmama
      December 11, 2014 at 1:44 pm

      I am having a hard time with the stories about Bill Cosby drugging and abusing women over many years and I am not even Black. He was my favorite comedian. I used his TV PBS reading education show when teaching my second graders to read and loved watching the TV series The Bill Cosby Show. I feel duped. I bet his wife does too. Guess you do not really ever know all about public figures, but also there are worthwhile contributions in most everyone. I guess this is one of the reasons I have come to believe Capitol Punishment is not necessary. I do not forgive him for these abuses, but I do like many of the things he advanced. I no longer hold him in esteem however.

  5. 16 MightyPamela
    December 11, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    I am on the run again today. Sheesh. DF: I left some thoughts about hanging the cloth, on an earlier thread, The President’s Day, I think. Back in a while, big hugs all around! {{{{{TOD}}}}}

  6. 18 Linda
    December 11, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    Rep. Peter King (R-NY) on Thursday doubled down on his argument that the harsh techniques detailed in a Senate report on the CIA’s Bush-era interrogation program did not amount to “torture.”

    MSNBC’s Kirsten Welker asked King to respond to Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) speech against torture on the Senate floor. King said that the treatment McCain underwent as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam was not similar to the way the CIA treated its detainees.

    “What John McCain went through was far worse than anything that the detainees went through,” he said.

    How about we puree some Irish Stew and shove it up his ass.

    • December 11, 2014 at 2:23 pm

      Splitting hairs over which torture is worse? How about NO torture, freakin’ idiots!

      I don’t know how any sane human being with a half-ounce of intelligence can read about this chapter in our history and not see these extremely inhumane and grotesque psychopathic tactics as horrific torture.

  7. 20 amk for obama
    December 11, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    Canadian police can search the contents of a mobile phone after arrest, the Supreme Court of Canada has ruled.

    In a 4-3 decision, the court said a warrant was not needed as long as the search is directly related to the suspected crime and records are kept.

    The dissenting judges argued phones were an “intensely personal and uniquely pervasive sphere of privacy”.

    The outcome is opposite from a similar case decided in the US Supreme Court in June.

    In a unanimous decision, the US high court said searches of mobile phones must require a warrant, with few exceptions.

    Canada’s lower courts were previously divided on the issue.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30439107

  8. 22 Ladyhawke
    December 11, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    ——————————————————

    At least some of Issa’s success can be attributed to this successful hacking of media culture, mastering a methodology for maximizing control over the narrative surrounding his committee’s investigations, transforming members of the press into co-conspirators.

    The playbook is simple. First pick a favored reporter or reporters, and grant them access to information unearthed by committee investigators in the form of out-of-context statements from closed-door interviews conducted by committee staff. This has led to a number of corrections, updates and errors that have been made by outlets including the New York Times, CBS and the Washington Post.
    .
    .
    While leaking misleading information, Issa has vigorously fought against performing the “Government Reform” function suggested by his committee’s title.

    ————————————————

    • 23 amk for obama
      December 11, 2014 at 1:29 pm

      Is the lying fucker really gone?

      • December 11, 2014 at 2:25 pm

        He’s still in the House but was term-limited as Chair of Oversight. His replacement, Jason Chaffetz is just as hideous and idiotic. BIG WASTE.

    • 25 Linda
      December 11, 2014 at 1:31 pm

      Jason Chaffetz is worse than Issa…..meaner and more confrontational than Issa.

      He is the person that revealed classified information on the CIA annex in Benghazi in a public hearing.

  9. 26 Ladyhawke
    December 11, 2014 at 1:29 pm

  10. December 11, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    I think I’ll avoid Twitter today. Folks are losing their asses over Cromnibus. Yes, it’s a shit bill. But it’s what you get when you elect Republicans. And the economy would descend into shit if the bill isn’t passed / signed.

    • December 11, 2014 at 3:54 pm

      Thissssssssssssss a 1000 times!

    • 33 EricFive
      December 11, 2014 at 4:01 pm

      I don’t understand all the hand wringing either. A decent bill has not been able to get through the House since 2010. The collective stupidity or memory loss of this country should worry everyone. Dems not voting in 2010 gave the GOP the House. Dems not voting in 2014 gave the GOP the Senate. The blame lies with democratic voters not voting during midterms.

      • 34 SUE DUVALL SMITH
        December 11, 2014 at 4:46 pm

        I AGREE WITH SOME OF THIS ERIC HOWEVER…THE REPUBLICANS HAVE MANAGED TO SPREAD SO MANY CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT THIS PRESIDENT…THEN PEOPLE DON’T VOTE BECAUSE FEAR HAS SET IN…THIS COUNTRY WILL MORE THAN LIKELY GET WHAT IT DESERVES BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY HAVE TREATED THIS AFRICAN AMERICAN PRESIDENT..WE ARE NOT DESERVING OF GOOD NEWS WHEN WE PRACTICE BIGOTRY AND RACISM…IT’S PATHETIC!

  11. 35 Nena20409
    December 11, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    Good Afternoon TOD.
    Au ⭐ for Allison. Congrats.
    First Time since 5 am today…..of any newsy consumption.
    Just dropped in to Link WH Presser already LIVE and in progress

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/press-briefing-press-secretary-josh-earnest-43

    BBL

  12. December 11, 2014 at 1:45 pm

  13. 37 amk for obama
    December 11, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    CIA Director John Brennan is set to defend his agency’s past use of “brutal” interrogation following a highly critical Senate report.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30437804

    yeah, murka rulez and all that.

  14. 40 amk for obama
    December 11, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    I give up.

    night folks.

  15. 41 Ladyhawke
    December 11, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    Jon Stewart flabbergasted by torture report defenders: “I don’t have the words anymore”

    ——————————-

    On Wednesday night “The Daily Show” decided to delve into the torture report released earlier this week by the Senate Intelligence Committee, rather than cover happy and fluffy news like Royal visit to New York City.

    ——————————-

    http://www.salon.com/2014/12/11/jon_stewart_flabbergasted_by_torture_report_defenders_i_dont_have_the_words_anymore/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

  16. 42 Linda
    December 11, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    In a case of strange bedfellows, liberal Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown (OH) and conservative Republican Sen. David Vitter (LA) have joined forces to push for the removal of language weakening rules on big banks in the spending bill.

    The two senators wrote a joint letter calling on congressional leaders to remove a provision from the $1.1 trillion spending bill that would loosen rules on derivatives trading established in the Dodd-Frank financial reform law.

    Read the letter below.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sherrod-brown-david-vitter-dodd-frank-rider

  17. 43 Ladyhawke
    December 11, 2014 at 2:10 pm

  18. 44 Linda
    December 11, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    Did he just say the detainees that were tortured gave up information that was used to get Bin Laden…but not as a result of the torture ?

    That is what I heard.

  19. 45 Linda
    December 11, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    Congressional Republicans are once again showing their concern for local control by including a provision in the spending bill that would block Washington, DC, from legalizing marijuana. Residents of the District voted overwhelmingly for legalization in November, but it is within Congress’ power to say “screw them,” and that’s just what Maryland Rep. Andy Harris is saying.

    “That’s the way the Constitution was written,” Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.) said in an interview Wednesday. “If they don’t like that oversight, move outside of the federal district to one of the 50 states that is not covered by the jurisdiction of Congress as a whole.”

    While a few Republicans, like Sen. Rand Paul, don’t agree, Harris has the support of enough of his party to have put the provision in the spending bill and to continue to insist on it.

  20. 46 Linda
    December 11, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    Unhappy with continued defense of CIA torture techniques Senator Mark Udall discloses findings of classified “smoking gun” report on Senate floor.

    “The Panetta Review found that the CIA repeatedly provided inaccurate information to the Congress, the president, and the public on the efficacy of its coercive techniques. The Brennan Response, in contrast, continues to insist that the CIA’s interrogations produced unique intelligence that saved lives. Yet the Panetta Review identifies dozens of documents that include inaccurate information used to justify the use of torture—and indicates that the inaccuracies it identifies do not represent an exhaustive list.

    The Panetta Review further describes how detainees provided intelligence prior to the use of torture against them. It describes how the CIA—contrary to its own representations—often tortured detainees before trying any other approach. It describes how the CIA tortured detainees even when less coercive methods were yielding intelligence. The Panetta Review further identifies cases in which the CIA used coercive techniques when it had no basis for determining whether a detainee had critical intelligence at all. In other words, CIA personnel tortured detainees to confirm they didn’t have intelligence—not because they thought they did.

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2014/12/unhappy-with-continued-defense-of-cia.html

  21. 47 Linda
    December 11, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    Diane Feinstein was live tweeting during the Brennen presser….

  22. 48 Linda
    December 11, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    Breaking : House has delayed the vote on the funding bill. Not enough Dem votes.

    • 49 57andfemale
      December 11, 2014 at 2:48 pm

      Wow……

    • 50 Linda
      December 11, 2014 at 2:49 pm

      The White House is lobbying for Dems to votes yes….Nancy Pelosi is pissed.

      • December 11, 2014 at 4:18 pm

        Do you have a link for this?

        • 52 57andfemale
          December 11, 2014 at 4:23 pm

          AP reported that PBO said he would sign the bill. I can’t seem to copy and paste the tweet but I’m working on it.

          • December 11, 2014 at 4:28 pm

            Wow, I’m surprised. Thanks, 57.

            • 54 jackiegrumbacher
              December 11, 2014 at 4:41 pm

              Meta, the president knows far more than anyone else on this planet the suffering that a government shutdown would cause. There are people around the country who would literally go hungry or homeless if they do not receive SS or SI checks in December. I also think our president knows that the Republican Congress coming in January will make a bad CR worse. He knows there is a lot that stinks in this bill, but he is ever the realist and he is compassionate enough not to want to inflict pain on the neediest citizens.

              • 55 SUE DUVALL SMITH
                December 11, 2014 at 4:56 pm

                THE RESULT WOULD BE PANIC IN THE STREETS…THOSE WHO TOTALLY DEPEND ON SS OR SI….SENIORS TOSSED OUT OF THEIR HOMES AND DON’T FORGET…ALSO NURSING HOMES…WHEN PBO IS GONE…THIS COUNTRY WILL GO TO HELL IN A HANDBASKET BECAUSE NOONE ELSE IS LIKE HIM AND THEY WON’T CARE…………..THIS IS THE LAST OF THE COMPASSIONATE PRESIDENTS…THEY ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN.

    • December 11, 2014 at 2:55 pm

      Cool! I hope they pull those garbage riders then.

  23. 57 Linda
    December 11, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    Outgoing Texas governor and presumed 2016 Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry isn’t worried about his perceived lack of book smarts because that’s not, he says, what a presidential campaign is about.

    “Running for the presidency’s not an IQ test,” Perry said in an interview with NBC News. “It is a test of an individual’s resolve. It’s a test of an individual’s philosophy. It’s a test of an individual’s life’s experiences.”

    “And I think Americans are really ready for a leader that will give them a great hope about the future,” he continued.

    Perry also insisted that he had learned from his 2012 presidential bid with its stunning rise and equally spectacular fall.

    “I think, over the course of the last two years, people realize that what they saw in 2011 is certainly not the person they’re looking at at 2013, 2014, 2015,” Perry told NBC News.
    —-

    Huh ?

    • 58 57andfemale
      December 11, 2014 at 3:15 pm

      And which part of “life experience” makes you capable of understanding the CIA daily briefings? Can we assume that since IQ isn’t important to Perry, then education isn’t important? Grades that demonstrate that you understand things aren’t important?

      A disdain for intelligence is somehow a virtue and makes you especially worthy of being leader of the free world?

      Thank you again, John McCain, for Palinizing the U.S. government.

    • 59 jackiegrumbacher
      December 11, 2014 at 4:23 pm

      Linda, the irony about Rick Perry is that he isn’t smart enough to know he should care about not being smart. And really, he saw GWB become president and thought, “If he can do it, anyone can.”

    • 60 SUE DUVALL SMITH
      December 11, 2014 at 5:00 pm

      PERRY PROBABLY THINKS AN IQ IS SOMETHING TO EAT…THE MAN IS A ROCK WITH SHOES…NOTHING IN BETWEEN…EMPTY SUIT!!!!!!

    • 61 99ts
      December 11, 2014 at 5:08 pm

      Well GWB proved intelligence isn’t a pre-requisite for getting people to vote for you – Perry is history repeating itself

  24. December 11, 2014 at 3:00 pm

  25. December 11, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    #TribunalTimeUSA

    • 67 ourmanflint
      December 11, 2014 at 3:10 pm

      Really loved that observation Bobfr

    • 68 Vicki
      December 11, 2014 at 3:39 pm

      Bob, NBC doesn’t care about improving ratings.
      What they want to do is reinforce the brainwashing of the people who voted in the 2015 congress.

    • 69 jackiegrumbacher
      December 11, 2014 at 4:21 pm

      Bob, with all sane people tuning out, I’m sure TOdd is aiming for the sadist/sycophant crowd. He will be oh-so-obsequious to Cheney and hang on his every word and Cheney will give those who enjoy hurting others something to get excited about. It’s a win/win for the psychopath crowd.

  26. 70 Linda
    December 11, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    Black Congressional Staffers Plan Ferguson, Garner Walkout

    The protest is scheduled for Thursday at 3:30pm on the steps in front of the U.S. House of Representatives. Senate Chaplain Dr. Barry Black, who is also African American, will pray for peace, and for the grieving families affected by the grand jury decisions.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/10/black-congressional-staffers-plan-ferguson-garner-walkout.html

  27. December 11, 2014 at 3:03 pm

  28. December 11, 2014 at 3:19 pm

  29. 73 Ladyhawke
    December 11, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    SUNLIGHT IS THE BEST DISINFECTANT

    Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid Just Revealed Democrats’ 2015 Strategy

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    But Pelosi didn’t sign off on the deal between Republican and Democratic appropriators, which allows her to step in now and exert some of that influence. At the very least, this suggests that some of the goodies Republicans packed into the spending bill will be scrubbed. But I detect greater significance in the fact that she’s using this, of all potential issues, to squeeze Republicans publicly. It says a lot about how Democrats are positioning themselves to magnify the contradictions within the Republican Party from the minority next year.

    ——————————

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120525/pelosi-government-shutdown-over-wall-street-derivatives-trading

  30. December 11, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    • 75 GGail
      December 11, 2014 at 3:40 pm

      Chips, you tell ’em!
      I’ve been screaming this in my head since the report came out. Thank you for posting it on twitter.

    • 78 jacquelineoboomer
      December 11, 2014 at 3:45 pm

      Yeah, they couldn’t get him, but they continue to want to take credit for it. Like “this guy we tortured over coffee and donuts told us what color socks bin Laden had on a couple of years ago, which was the original act that led President Obama to order the grab when he got him, thanks to us.”

      And I’m the Easter Bunny.

    • 79 Nena20409
      December 11, 2014 at 9:17 pm

      Chips! Chips! Chips!
      Hooray!
      Best Tweet this evening.
      🍸 Absolutely ❤ it 😉

  31. 80 Linda
    December 11, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    The bill to avoid a government shutdown is barely living after a rule to needed to set up debate on the bill passed by a single vote.

    The vote on the rule was 214-212 in favor of passage. All Democrats and sixteen Republicans nearly killed the bill by voting against it.

    The Hill documented the drama on the floor,

    That left Republicans to approve the rule on their own. For several minutes, there were more “nay” votes than “yes” votes by 210-213. Then, for a moment, it was tied at 213-213.

    It was at that point Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) intervened. Fellow lawmakers and reporters in the gallery could see Boehner personally lobbying conservatives who voted against the rule to switch their votes.

    One of the lawmakers who switched was Rep. Kerry Bentivolio (R-Mich.), who lost his primary earlier this year and won’t be returning in the new Congress.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2014/12/11/drama-grips-house-vote-advancing-government-funding-bill-passes-vote.html

    Remember One Term Kerry said this last year

    Rep. Kerry Bentivolio (R-MI) said Monday it would be a “dream come true” to impeach President Barack Obama.

    Bentivolio’s comments came in response to a question about impeaching the president during the August 2013 Birmingham Bloomfield Republican Club Meeting on Monday.

    “You know if I could write that bill and submit it, it would be a dream come true,” Bentivolio said. “I feel your pain and I know. I stood 12 feet away from that guy and listened to him and I couldn’t stand being there. But because he is president I have to respect the office. That’s my job as a congressman. I respect the office.”

    Bentivolio added that he’s met with lawyers about impeaching Obama.

    “I went to my office and I’ve had lawyers come in,” Bentivolio added. “These are lawyers, PhDs in history and I said ‘tell me how I can impeach the President of the United States.”

    But, the Michigan congressman continued, there first has to be evidence to impeach the president.

  32. 82 Linda
    December 11, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    CNN is showing the walkout live

    • 83 Linda
      December 11, 2014 at 3:41 pm

      Brooke Baldwin just identified Congressman Cummings as John Lewis.

      I guess they all look alike to her.

      • 84 jacquelineoboomer
        December 11, 2014 at 3:47 pm

        Similar to that CNN International anchor(less) woman who suggested something like “instead of using teargas on the Ferguson protesters, why not just use water cannons.” No difference, especially not historical.

      • December 11, 2014 at 4:09 pm

        I would think Brooke Baldwin would know better. But really why would I think that of the media?

  33. 86 Ladyhawke
    December 11, 2014 at 3:49 pm

  34. 87 JER
    December 11, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    • 88 jackiegrumbacher
      December 11, 2014 at 4:37 pm

      Sorry, David Axelrod. There has been a far more compelling voice in America against torture since January 21, 2009 and that is President Barack Obama. He’s the one that stopped the horror and articulated the glaring truth that torturing people is not who we are as Americans. Of course, there are many Republicans and media people who long ago forgot what it means to be “American” and have done everything in their power to both sabotage our government and serve as sickening apologists for sadism.
      I might also add that I have not heard one word from John McCain acknowledging the president’s role in stopping torture, nor one syllable of support from him regarding PBO’s stated principles.

      • 89 carolyn
        December 11, 2014 at 4:42 pm

        I don’t twet, but the import of this needs to be tweeted to Axe. LL…….Bobfr……NW…..Chips……our succinct tweeters…….where are you?

      • 90 99ts
        December 11, 2014 at 5:17 pm

        They ALL find it so easy to give kudos to the GOP and forget those who work so hard – every single day – to do what is right. Seems being right once in the past 8 years makes McCain compelling

      • 91 jacquelineoboomer
        December 11, 2014 at 5:41 pm

        I just tweeted that back to old forgetful Axe, jackieG.

  35. 92 jacquelineoboomer
    December 11, 2014 at 4:04 pm

  36. 93 Linda
    December 11, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    Boehner has a short term CR ready in case the funding bill fails.

    Alex Wagner is pretending she does not know about it and thinks the Dems will cave.

    • 94 jackiegrumbacher
      December 11, 2014 at 4:29 pm

      Linda, nobody, even Republicans, wants to tell seniors that their SS checks won’t be coming in December, nor will veteran’s checks, SSI and other critical social supports that people rely on to live. The Dems will get everything they can out of the funding bill and then will probably go along with a short term CR. My worry is that a great number or R’s in January will steamroll the Dems and pass a worse bill. The Dems have their greatest leverage now.

  37. December 11, 2014 at 4:17 pm

    I want all the people who think voting does not matter, realize we wouldn’t be in this mess with the crazy ass Republicans if they had gotten out to vote. The fact that they are all to willing to bail Wall Street out again, well voting matters Americans. Just wait and see how crazy the next Congress will be.

  38. 96 Linda
    December 11, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    A woman charged with shooting and killing her ex-husband and stepdaughter has strong connections to groups advocating for expanding open carry gun laws in Texas.

    Local news outlets on Wednesday reported that Veronica Dunnachie was arrested and charged with shooting and killing her ex-husband and step daughter.

    Buried in some of the initial reporting on the arrest of Dunnachie seems to have been an active participant in open carry groups in Texas. The local ABC affiliate, WFAA, noted that Dunnachie’s Facebook page is photos of her engaged in open carry firearm advocacy activities. WFAA also noted that one of her profile pictures included the text “Sometimes removing some people out of your life makes room for better people.”

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/open-carry-advocate-kills-ex-husband-suspect-veronica-dunnachie

  39. 97 Linda
    December 11, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    Why is the White House ok with the Wall Street bailout ? Why ?

    I lost half my retirement money last time……

    • 98 57andfemale
      December 11, 2014 at 4:25 pm

      To keep the government open. With no framing of the issues, with no outrage, with no pointing out what we are giving the hostage-takers in order to keep basic services.

      Don’t tell me Dems don’t have a boatload to learn about messaging and changing national conversations. This is outrageous.

      • 99 Linda
        December 11, 2014 at 4:31 pm

        I am seriously considering cashing out and taking the penalty.

        • 100 57andfemale
          December 11, 2014 at 4:48 pm

          How does the entire party leadership still not get it? GOP charges forward, doubles down on “what they believe”, and the sheer strength of that is enough to convince people that it must be true. And Dems whine, equivocate, call the GOP their friends, give them the benefit of the doubt. It is truly astounding.

          I really think Michael Tomasky is right: stop diluting the party by chasing RW whackos, and concentrate on areas we can make stronger or make inroads and STAND for something. I dont’ always agree with him but I think he’s got it right this time.

          Howard Dean’s 50-state strategy weakened the party, even when we had the numbers. Too many weren’t at all committed to the Democratic party.

        • 101 debz
          December 11, 2014 at 5:10 pm

          Just because the President said he would sign the bill, doesn’t mean he is ok with the bail out. He doesn’t want a Christmas shut-down. Besides, it is the job of the dems in both houses to get the garbage out of the bill, not his.

      • 102 EricFive
        December 11, 2014 at 4:55 pm

        PBO is pretty good at messaging, but gets blacked out by the media, or haven’t you noticed. As I have asked on numerous occassions, if the media can black out the President of the United States and leader of the Democratic party, what makes you think they will give the microphone to another Dem who goes against the MSM/GOP’s desired narrative? I grant you that the majority of Dems we see and hear on TV are not effective advocates, but maybe that is why we see them on TV and not PBO and other effective messaging Dems. This praise for GOP “messaging” when they have the entire MSM carrying water for them seems misplaced. Another querie, do you agree that the MSM allows the GOP to lie with impunity? Do you think they will allow Dems to lie with no push back? It seems like you are portraying the media as simple purveyors of information with no agenda, and that is not reality.

        • 103 57andfemale
          December 11, 2014 at 5:05 pm

          we’re not going to have this same argument again, Eric. PBO cannot and should not be the only messenger of the Democratic party. The party needs to institutionally change how and what it communicates. After a disastrous election, they apparently think chasing after RW voters is the thing to do. They look and sound weak WHEN they have the mic. And if the word isn’t getting out in traditional means, then this party of truly intelligent people has to find ways to change the conversation and stand behind Democratic principles.

          Dems have watched the RW build a communications infrastructure for 30 years and have not countered it. 2000 was already way too little and way too late. The party cedes to GOP memes over and over again – in ads, when they have the mic. The RW media didn’t grow in a vacuum – Dems laughed at their craziness, and still do without building an effective counter. the internet is NOT enough! We lost seniors and it’s not all racism. It’s because Dems did not go out there during an election and tell them how wonderful ACA was for them, and what danger they face with the GOP. They had plenty of ads running – very few of which were effective.

          And even if you’re completely right, Eric, should we just throw up our hands and quit? Or do we change how we do things, stop “accepting” RW memes. How about we double down on why we are strong if we support Democratic principles? Everything they need to say is in PBO’s speeches. The party leadership still thinks it’s 1990 and the DLC is the way to go.

          • 104 EricFive
            December 11, 2014 at 5:15 pm

            I’m not saying we should throw up our hands and quit, but I don’t see the use of the constant negativity toward Dems either. PBO is President and leader of the Democratic Party. It unprecedented for the media to black out the President as they have PBO, and I think it is dangerous when folks attempt to “normalize” this unique situation. I also think it is dangerous to trumpet the GOP’s messaging without pointing out the fact that the media playing field is not level. We are in this situation because, for some reason, democrats do not vote in midterm elections. That is the real problem.

    • December 11, 2014 at 4:32 pm

      I’m wondering if POTUS thinks the government will shut down for the remainder of the year and then the RWNJs take control of Congress and it’s Koch Porridge.

  40. 109 FoxfireTX
    December 11, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    If I had to guess, I suspect PBO thinks the other parts of the Dodd-Frank Act will keep the banks in line and this will not have a huge impact. From my perspective, this is just the beginning of the Repubs attempt to repeal all of it, piece by piece, and we will see further provisions repealed in the future if they are allowed to succeed this time. I shudder to think what is coming in January, which is most likely also part of PBO’s concern. He got much of what he wanted in this bill, but for these two very problematic provisions thrown in at the last minute.

    • 110 Linda
      December 11, 2014 at 4:50 pm

      I don’t even care about the campaign donation part …but….the ban on using MY money on wall street gambling is a bridge to far for me.

    • 112 jacquelineoboomer
      December 11, 2014 at 5:36 pm

      I agree. Nothing PBO, our chessmaster, does is based on his not knowing what’s in the bill and which ramifications would be worse … unlike Congressional pukes who can’t wait to get this pesky bill done so they can go home for the holidays.

  41. 113 yardarm756
    December 11, 2014 at 4:49 pm

    There’s nothing like Christmas!

    Bah. Humbug!

  42. 115 Vicki
    December 11, 2014 at 5:03 pm

    Unemployment claims fell again this week.
    Retail sales went up.
    The deficit is half what it was a year ago and still the GOP squawks about cutting spending. What we should be doing is spending much more to fix up our crumbling country.

    The evil and stupid is beyond understanding. I guess what the 1% want is an all-out revolution which they crush with their armoured Police and Private contracters.

  43. 116 recoop2
    December 11, 2014 at 5:13 pm

    Confused as to why the White House is supporting this spending bill covered with Wall Street fingerprints.

  44. 118 57andfemale
    December 11, 2014 at 5:26 pm

    Interesting: Conason theorizes that the purpose of the torture was to extract false information – to get the “enemy” to admit to the lies the Bush Administration wanted to believe. That was its real purpose:

    • 119 EricFive
      December 11, 2014 at 5:33 pm

      There have long been stories about Cheney putting pressure on the CIA and visiting its offices during the run up to the Iraq War to get info to justify the war that the Neocons were lusting for. No doubt Conason is (and was) correct. I have always thought that Bush made a deal with Bin Laden after 9/11 that if Bin Laden did not strike America again during his presidency, Bush would not hunt him down. This freed Bush and Cheney to concentrate on Iraq and use torture to get false info they would feed to CIA operatives in the media (especially the NYT) to drum up support for the war.

  45. 120 99ts
    December 11, 2014 at 5:28 pm

    Seems the GOP wants to crash the economy before 2016 just so they can say “both sides do it”. That it is ONLY the GOP who put the country into this crisis situation every year seems to escape too much evaluation from the “both sides” pundits.

    • 121 EricFive
      December 11, 2014 at 5:40 pm

      That may be true of the GOP true believers, but the GOP Wall Street set certainly don’t want the economy to crash. That is why the GOP did not allow the U.S. to default on its debt obligations. Politics is showbiz for ugly people, and they love the limelight that these contrived crisis situations generate. That is why deals are usually only struck literally at the last minute.

      • 122 99ts
        December 11, 2014 at 5:58 pm

        There are way too many members of congress who have no idea on economics, banks and how wall street operates – they will vote for anything if it impacts badly on the administration – and care not if economic collapse is the outcome. How often has this happened in prior administrations? Do other “democracies” refuse to fund their administrations? Wall street doesn’t give a damn about the country – nor whether it crashes – too many make money on the down as well as the up. Hedge funds should NEVER be allowed to exist/function – betting on failure is my best definition of same.

  46. 123 JER
    December 11, 2014 at 5:39 pm

  47. 127 vcprezofan2
    December 11, 2014 at 5:55 pm

    You’ll all be very proud (yea, right!) of me when I tell you it *only* took about 40 minutes this time for me to re-shovel the part of the driveway I shoveled, and salted, this morning. Now if only it stays that way, I’ll be able to get out tomorrow morning for my doctor’s appointment.

  48. 129 vcprezofan2
    December 11, 2014 at 6:25 pm

    Who here was saying that dash-cams for police was not really an answer? (rhetorical) It was an answer for this man! My blood ran cold at the deliberate evilness of the officers beating him up unnecessarily while yelling that he should stop reaching for their guns and stop resisting arrest, all while his hands were clearly raised. If you ask me, it seems the police force has become a place where vicious individual go to practise their evil without consequence and with pay.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/new-jersey-man-escapes-5-year-sentence-after-dash-cam-footage-clears-him-indicts-cops/#.VIoh0aDEn4s.twitter


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