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Jane C. Timm: Study: Obamacare Helping More Youth To Get Mental Health Treatment
Young adults have a higher risk of mental health problems and substance abuse – both issues that the U.S. health care system traditionally has struggled to treat. But according to a new study, the number of high-risk youth seeking and receiving affordable care is on the rise, thanks to an Obamacare provision that allows young people to stay on their parents’ health plan until they turn 26. Two million young people now have health care coverage because of the provision, the study notes, but the biggest shift has been with youth demographics that are most at risk.
Among 18-25 year olds exhibiting signs of mental health or substance abuse problems, 5.3% more received mental health care than a comparable group of 26-35 year olds, researchers from Johns Hopkins and Harvard found in the study, published this month in the health care journal Health Affairs. The cost of care has decreased, too: Uninsured doctor visits requiring patients to pay out of pocket were down 12.4%, while the number of covered visits rose 12.9%. Three-quarters of all mental illnesses begin by age 24, according to the National Institute of Health. Before the passage of the Affordable Care Act, nearly 60% of all mental health or substance abuse care for young Americans was paid for out-of-pocket. Mental health care coverage is often prohibitively expensive, a factor that respondents routinely cite as a reason for not seeking care.
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Thanks a gazillion Nerdy, ya legend!!!!
Good news, Chips and at least you didn’t pull one of your questionable moves to rush the entrance.
😯 Congrats Vicki!!!! 🙂
Very sporting of you, Chips. Good to see.
Chips, you pull no punches.
hahahaha
Of course, the fact he was sent for an x-ray suggests he did do something to his eye before going to the doctor/optometrist – violent, heartless, non-feeling sociopath!
I suspect if there was anything wrong with his face – ‘swollen’, they claim – it was done by a colleague.
I’m hanging on to the illusion that no one else on the force is vile enough to encourage Wilson by taking such an action. I know, I know we’ve seen them in action being vile, but I don’t want to believe any other officer would willingly become an accessory after the fact in an execution.
We agree though that IF Wilson’s face was swollen, greatly injured, etc it hadn’t happened while he was confronting or firing into Michael. In the video clips we have seen he never once touched his face, and knowing he was in potential trouble if he had concocted his story then, he would have made sure to start his pretense of being hurt.
I honestly think that police force is capable of anything to protect one of their own, VC, anything at all.
Sadly, we have seen the evidence of that this past week, CC. (Was trying to give myself some faint hope – 😉 )
O/T I owe you an apology, Chips Chica. I only noticed after the fact that DannyO virtually pled guilty to the charge you laid on him earlier this morning when he remarked “absaLOOTlee” to my comment. Good one! My apologies for not catching his guilty plea at the time. 😉 😉
We don’t know exactly what happened. Even so—not a reason to murder. I have always been taught to respect the police, but the older I get and the more of them I meet, it is getting very difficult. In my arm chair t.v. watching opinion, the kid could have decked the policeman in the eye and it still isn’t justification to kill him. The police are supposed to have training. The young policeman is the same age as my son. They had no business sending someone that young out by himself. The young policemen I have met in my community (predominantly white) seem to be a little to tough acting. They swagger with their big belt buckles, and seem to have an ax to grind–as if their masculinity was in question. This whole thing is so upsetting. I hope that their is a huge conversation.
Or, by his wife, or by a door, or by a banana peel or by himself. There is zero evidence that his swollen face had anything to do with Mike Brown.
Policing is outdoor activity. Lots of chances to get minor injuries (or major ones) easily. And a swollen face could be due to water retention, allergies, or those minor bumps and bruises.
Thank you Nerdy for never forgetting the magnificence of the Obamacare revolution in giving Americans a healthier more secure future.
The media would sure like to forget it.
Just as they would like to forget the steady progress President Obama and his administration have made in reducing the ranks of the unemployed.
Not to mention the rising stock market, the dramatic lowering of war casualties.
Also car industry.
Home foreclosure rates have dropped dramatically.
The task now is to get a grateful nation to the voting booths in fewer than three months.
Thanks, Vicki.
I have a client who couldn’t get coverage due too CANCER. I got him hooked up with a great Platinum plan from Covered CA, and he began chemo on Jan 2nd. It’s literally saved his life.
That’s amazing Tally. By your last statement I can see it was not too late. That’s great.
Thanks. It *IS* amazing! It’s also amazing (and CRIMINAL) that everyone in the US can’t just GO TO A DOCTOR and get treated for free like everywhere else on the planet.
hmmm….. I might have to write a little something…..
Yes, Tally, please write a little something!! I lived in Canada for 11 years and Australia for 8. I traveled in NZ for nearly a year and was covered there as a tourist!! When I came back to the US to birth my daughter, it dawned on me that there would be no medical coverage for either of us ~ holy moley, that was a wake-up call. All those out of pocket monies I could have saved or used to support us… Criminal.
Thank Nerdy Wonka for your focus always on ACA, aka, Obama Cares.
It’s a fine, fine, ACA for uninsured and under-insured Americans. Thank You, Mr. President!
Thanks, Nena.
Vicki is the Au ⭐ winner! 😉
L’OD is not letting his foot off that gas pedal.
Very good to see this truth coming from LOD. Nena
/waving/ Way to gooooo, Vicki!
TY. Fairly won, I might add
I noticed that too, Vicki – old lady Chips couldn’t get there fast enough to muddy the entrance numbers. 😀
GAO…a gov’t agency… is now saying that the Obama Team broke the law with the swap of 5 Gitmo prisoners for Bergdahl? Well, so be it.
Boehner, I dare you, triple dare you to start articles of impeachment…..Go ahead, make our day and watch a serious landslide on Nov 4th, 2014. Just Do It, Orange Man.
I am deliberately not providing a link. I don’t care what the story says. Is Congress loathes, they may take it to court.
If Congress loathes the swap……oops.
For Gods sake. Nena I know they have nothing positive to report on—-UNLIKE PBO—-but still, Boehner, mcConnell, give your negative spiteful bile a rest.
even your most demented followers will soon be tuned out and turned off.
What are you offering,GOP/MM: lawsuits, vetoes, endless delays, gov’t shutdowns?
Meanwhile, back at the WH, the economy is percolating just fine without you.
But if the swap had not been made and Bergdahl died – well the GOP would have blamed Obama for that as well.
I am 1001% ashamed of this man. He is from a little town in MN. I used to live there. This guy hates paying taxes. He is a wicked, bigoted and bitter man…..with a religious cruelty bent.
Isn’t that Hercules? 😦
I don’t know. I know that he once had a show in the 1980s or 1990s shot in New Zealand.
Jesu is he really from MN? That is disgusting.
Yes, he is.
Mound.
YUK isn’t that near Minnetonka?
Yep, near Wayzata, near Minnestria, etc
I used to watch Hercules the tv show but stopped when I realized how it had nothing to do with the legends and more had a religious agenda that was thinly veiled. Boy the guy really put some weight on him, must be because no studio will hire him.
I just replied to the tweet: “Actor” is rather generous, isn’t it?
Look at that stomach, no more Hercules. He need to go and put his white sheet and hood on.
I bet that prejudice is why he’s not starring in anything at the moment. Hollywood became multicultural about 2 decades ago. Why? because all of the profits are now made in the emerging markets of India, China, and overseas, where they can have full theatres and resell DVDS.
I have read once that Kevin S. built a Church in CA. The man is now a Fundamentalist Nut Job.
Ot oh!!
I don’t care….Congress would have leaked it if they were told.
Someone leaked the hostage rescue attempt to the media….forcing PBO to disclose it before the fake reporters and pundits got a hold of it.
Jovie, again why are you posting this nonsense here? This is old, recycled drivel. We (including congress and CNN) all know very well that congress was notified of the possible exchange at least 1 year before it happened. CNN is looking for ratings and more silliness to relieve their boredom.
Don’t enable their crap.
It is a report from the GAO attorney.
Even if it is current, hf is right. Jovie—Optimism gets the dems out to vote.
Be careful what you put your attention on, because that is what you get more of.
Hope begets hope.
Negative news begets despair.
Truth, fully documented and bad is one thing.
Jumping on every possible “uh-oh” is nuts!
This isn’t doing that. This is an accurate report of what the GAO findings were. Personally, I think it was appropriate to break the law in this case, but knowing this is out there will prepare you for the yelling you will hear coming from the right.
That was the ONLY reason, I commented about this story up thread. For warned, is for armed. I didn’t post a link. I just wrote about it. Jovie posted the CNN tweet. I saw it as FYI for TODable TODers. A well informed Us is better than not.
1. CNN and the media are reporting this as though the actual exchange of the soldier for 5 Taliban was the “breaking the law” part. No, the GAO’s findings are about the generic violation of the Antideficiency Act, which supposedly occur when $$$ not yet appropriated for a given transaction were used, in this particular case, as a result of congress not given the required 30-day notification to appropriate the funds.
The Pentagon can simply challenge or disagree with the GAO’s findings, and report the violation (as required by law) with or without the need to take corrective action. Note that the GAO’s “findings” were written in a letter at the specific request of some idle-ass GOP senators who are looking for something to “get” Obama with.
2. If Republicans want to go down that road of Antideficiency Act violations, they can start with GWB (and most likely all the Presidents before). In 2005 alone, there were at least TEN such violations in various branches of the military. And every year of GWB’s tenure, 10 or more such violations occurred.
This may make for a nice story on CNN but as I said, it’s a whole lotta B.S! And shame on CNN who was never interested in antideficiency act violations all those years from 2001-2009.
http://www.levin.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/levin-statement-on-bowe-bergdahl-prisoner-exchange
Once the President notifies Congress it’s not up to every governmental agency to notify Congress.
don’t care
We were able to rescue a soldier from the enemy…but because it is on the President’s watch/we get all this jive…
Wow…..just Wow.
Waiting for Trump to apologize I will die of old age.
Obama’s record on criminal justice
Once again, reading the crazy wingnut sites has paid off in finding information you’re not likely to see elsewhere. This time, it comes from an article in the Daily Caller that labels President Obama as “shamefully soft on drugs and crime.”
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So contrary to finding President Obama’s record “shameful,” I was delighted to hear about it. Here are some highlights:
Starting in 1997, the Chicago Tribune reported Obama was critical of a bill aimed at juvenile felons that would have created “a state database, complete with fingerprints,” given victims the right to testify during sentencing, added aggravated battery with a firearm to the list of crimes that would require trial as an adult, given police a full 24 hours to hold suspects without charges and converted youth convicts to adult sentences if they failed to “complete a juvenile sentence satisfactorily.” “What we haven’t addressed in this bill is the preventative side that prevents kids from getting into the system in the first place,” Obama insisted then, in explaining his opposition.
By 1999, Obama had joined an effort to examine completely overhauling the state’s criminal code following what Jack Ryan’s researchers called “state lawmakers’ ‘zeal to get tough on crime.’” Obama argued that lawmakers were too often pushing through tough-on-crime legislation, complicating the criminal code. “It’s very hard for elected officials to resist a bill that enhances penalties for drug offenses because nobody’s pro-drug.”
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http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/07/24/Belgian-fathers-meet-their-jihadist-turned-teenage-sons-in-Syria-.html
Two Belgian men, who traveled to Syria to find their jihadist turned teenage sons, were successful in finding their boys but couldn’t persuade them to return home, Al Arabiya News reported Thursday.
The teens Lucas and Abdelmalek, who quietly journeyed to Syria together, went missing on June 11, 2014. Their fathers later discovered that their sons joined the radical Islamist State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) group in Suluk, a desert area near the northern city of al-Raqqa.
Belgian Pol Van Hessche, whose son is the 18-year-old Lucas, was exhausted when Al Arabiya News met him on the border of Turkey-Syria border.
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I was interested in this story for in MN….there were parents who were looking for the whereabouts of their sons……some of whom are believed to be fighting in East Africa….all from the Ethiopian/Esterian(sp) community.
Rick Perry makes W. look like an effing college professor:
http://bobcesca.thedailybanter.com/blog-archives/2014/08/rick-perry-common-sense-tells-you-immigrants-might-be-isis.html
Sorry if already posted but this is GREAT news.
I am so there. I wish.
We can wish together, Derbingle, although I am not a swimmer or surfer. The beautiful weather would be nice though, especially if we go during my winter.
I feel a Don Ho song coming on.
I’m outta here then!
Enraptured!
A federal court has permanently barred William Naes of St. Charles, Missouri, from preparing federal tax returns for others, the Justice Department announced today. The permanent injunction order, to which Naes consented, was entered by U.S. District Judge E. Richard Webber of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri.
The government alleged that Naes prepared returns that fraudulently claimed tax deductions for his customers, including bogus deductions for charitable contributions and unreimbursed employee business expenses. According to the complaint, Naes also fabricated business expenses on Schedules C-Profit or Loss From Business, concocted a fake business for at least one customer and failed to properly identify himself as the paid preparer on many of the returns he prepared …………………………//
This sage actually thinks weeding out criminal activity re tax avoidance is ‘petty’. I bet he’d be one to say stealing cigars was worthy of death.
And Mr. Flesher’s grammar is atrocious.
Hi Lib-L, I no longer pay attention to RW grammar, having accepted that they are mostly ‘challenged’ in this, and other, area(s)
President Obama’s half-brother barely made it past security for Obama’s 2009 inauguration, he recounts in his upcoming memoir, “An Obama’s Journey.”
Mark Obama Ndesandjo — the son of Barack Obama Sr. and his third wife, American Ruth Baker — was among those in the Obama clan who traveled from every corner of the globe for the affair in D.C.
But on the chilly day of the celebration, he futilely tried to squeeze onto a packed Metro car from Virginia to Capitol Hill for the event and ultimately had to plead with a cab driver to take him into the crowded District.
Initially, an officer stopped the car at a checkpoint and advised them to turn around, when Ndesandjo pulled the brother card and presented his inauguration invitation.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-obama-half-brother-recounts-travail-talking-security-2009-inauguration-article-1.1912087
I read that, and I don’t think I’ll be buying *his* book. I don’t much like the bits of his personality that the article reveals. My suspicion is that he changed the tentative name from “Cultures: My Odyssey of Self-Discovery,” to “An Obama’s Journey: My Odyssey of Self-Discovery Across Three Cultures” to do what so many do – profit from the president’s ‘fame’.
WTG LO’D. Keep it up, sir.
A sixth grade teacher in Selma, Ala. was suspended on Wednesday after allegedly having students reenact the fatal shooting of unarmed black teenager Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo
She had them get on the internet and look up everything about it. They proceeded to reenact this shooting in class,” Baughn told WSFA. “Paper guns, the paper bullets … they actually shot them out of this made gun. The child falls on the ground like he’s dead. You’ve got a white child playing the white cop and a black student playing the black male that got shot. What are we teaching our children?”
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/teacher-suspended-ferguson-reenactment
Great way to start the school year.. Sigh.
I read elsewhere that the St. Louis teachers have been told NOT to discuss the Michael Brown case in classes.
Can schools settle into that small space of sanity, somewhere in between reenacting the shooting, and pretending the situation doesn’t exist? It doesn’t look promising. Anyone have any positive news on that front?
Have we wished Usain Bolt a very Happy 28th Birthday today?? (1986) Also, Friz Freleng 1906. Um.
Thanks Nerdy for yet another wonderful highlight of the ACA benefits.
I was just thinking about the increased mental health support due to the ACA, in light of Robin Williams’ recent suicide. There are so many people who are not famous and who we never hear about whose lives will be saved by these changes and this law.
Thank you President Barack Obama.
Thanks, MadameSoph.
On a lighter note…
Is Chips still around?
I saw this on ESPN last night and immediately thought of our dear Chips 🙂
Meet Mr. Man U:
http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/20/photo-fan-changes-name-to-mr-manchester-united-gets-club-crest-tattooed-on-forehead/
As a loyal Manchester United fan, I don’t know if she will find this amusing or embarrassing. Hope it is the former 🙂
Well MadameSoph, that’s another man I have to marry!!! 😆
You are too much! ?smh? That was the first thing that popped into my mind as I headed over to see his face, but I didn’t want to say anything in case the marriage bit hadn’t occurred to you yet!
And instead of a ring, I will ask him for a matching tattoo 😎
That should warm the cockles of his heart! He fought for this for 15 years after all. /smh/ (Sign of his insanity if you want my opinion.)
I could say ‘I’ll pray for you’, but I strongly doubt my prayers are that powerful!
OMG Chips, that’s the first thing I thought, that you could be “Mrs. Man U” but, considering how much handsomer Danny is, I think you should keep looking for “Mr. Right Man U”
So Chips has poisoned your mind too, Mme Soph! I find my ears perking up when traveling in the car and a sports reporter mentions Man U – me who has little interest in football. Now you are collecting Man U good news (?) for her. /smh/
Yes, alas my soccer, err… football allegiances have been limited to a high school crush on a boy who played (I was the only cheerleader who attended the soccer games because he was sooo cute) and these days, whenever I can catch an A.S. Roma game. Otherwise, I am clueless, having become a pretty avid American-style football fan in recent years, so that takes up most of my sports viewing time.
So I am a somewhat silent cheerleader for Chips and Man U here, seeing as she gets so much grief from the Chelsea fans 🙂
You are braver than I, Mme S. This season I’ll simply say good luck to you, Chips, 99TS, GG, and any other silent Man U cheerleader, then I’ll sit on the sidelines and watch the fights in the village. Oh, I think Japa sometimes half-heartedly supports them too.
Hopefully NW and the others will miss this part of the thread 🙂 (exists, tip-toeing, stage left)
Hey! Get back here and stand with me – there’s supposed to be safety in numbers. /muttering -‘chicken’/
Darn, thought I could get away but had to return after spotting my spelling error! (yes, I am one of those)
O.k. Now I can hopefully slip away undetected… (exits, tip-toeing, stage left….)
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❤ ❤ –> MadameSoph <– ❤ ❤
{{{{{Back at you Madame Chipsticks}}}}}
P.S. The story about Danny barking at the lemon 🙂 🙂 🙂 Made my morning!
Michael Brown’s Body
We didn’t know much about you until that day
We never heard what your voice would have to say
We know you had a friend who stayed until the end
We know your Mother thought there was no other
We know your Dad … looks … unbearably … sad
And that your grandparents always thought
You’d be around to bury them
We had no chance to say hello or goodbye
You were eighteen, but we had no time to meet
We hear you were a gentle-giant-type guy
We were shocked to see you on that street
Each night we walk around
That chilling place on the ground
Bloodied with hatred on a day we want to forget
We worry you never made it home, and yet
No doubt the angels came to pick you up
The moment you were free to fly
No doubt you’re watching us all try
To clean the streets, as time goes by.
As time goes by.
this is beautiful jacquelineoboomer. Nice tribute.
To clean the streets………
Thank you JackieB…one can’t help but cry
Briana Keiler of CNN just asked one of the Brown family attorney’s what is was like and her reaction to viewing her dead son’s body yesterday.
The media gets worse by the minute…..and ignores all the criticism they get.
Meida lack common sense or decency, the whole bunch of them. Wonder how she’d react if the lawyer asked her what did *she* think it would be like viewing a relative’s body under similar circumstances. The problem is they ask these mindless, tasteless questions and people answer them as if the questions are valid.
Some people on this blog say that Democrats need optimism in order to Vote. Really?
I always vote… Whenever an election, I vote. Local, State or federal, I vote.
I think it’s a Citizens job to vote regardless how you feel. 🙂
I always vote also.
You are on point Jovie.
Good comment Jovie!
Ghastly, but …
I found this confession by Josh Marshall refreshing and descriptive of so many white folk deluded about racism.
I couldn’t make any sense of that Bill – what the hell were they trying to say???
I read it and still don’t get it. My hope is he is saying he does understand what minorities are experiencing (two Americas) and wants to be a part of the solution to live up to America’s ideals (one nation and all that).
This comment is beyond understanding. –> “I suspect that without an Obama presidency, the lens through which we view the current events would have been much less sympathetic to the protesters.”
Is Josh the writer or is he quoting a reader on another thread?
Anyway, I’m always astonished when white people don’t seem to get racism. It’s everywhere – vastly institutionalized throughout our entire society and culture – but I guess unless you’re the target, you don’t have to bother yourself with any of the difficult emotional processing of what is really happening in the world. When you’re not the target, you don’t necessarily suffer the consequences of not paying attention.
I’m glad that some people are coming to that new awareness, sooner or later. Having an AA POTUS, a man who is a quintessential phenomenal leader and visionary – has certainly put all of this into stark relief. But unlike the RWNJs, I agree with the writer that, difficult though it may be at times, I believe we are all the better for it.
Hiya Meta, it’s Josh quoting a commenter.
“I suspect that without an Obama presidency, the lens through which we view the current events would have been much less sympathetic to the protesters.”
What the ****?
Yeah, I don’t know, either……..
All I can say is, white privilege is a hell of a drug.
I read it twice. I think the writer was admitting to what many white people are dealing with. Living in a fantasy world of “all you have to do is work hard to make it, no matter your color.” Spoken from the view of white privilege. Watching what has happened to this obviously excellent president has opened his eyes to reality of racial oppression. In fact, eyes would not have opened any other way. A lot of soul searching is going on inside this white privilege community…..people in the “middle” as he says, not the fringe.
Also, he now is beginning to understand the viewpoint of the Ferguson protesters, something that seems so obvious to many, but again is a changing of worldview. Hope this has helped clarify somewhat.
Carolyn, it took me about 10 reads before I realized that’s exactly what the commenter was saying.
The reference to the “pro-protester media” flummoxed me, but I assume s/he is referring to some of the honest reporting we’re getting.
Thanks, carolyn.
Well, Oh myyy for his honesty.
He is owning his shortcomings publicly.
Good. Now make that change…….by getting many others to be more empathetic and less prejudicial.
That wasn’t his comment though Nena, he was quoting someone else.
Thanks Chips. It took me a 3rd read trying to figure that out. Then I saw your post and the post by DF below the thread. Then I said to self…..Hmm? I got it now.
🙂 I was the same Nena, at first I thought it was someone blaming the Obama presidency for how Ferguson is being perceived, then I took a deep breath and re-read. Finally got it. Excellent it is too.
AHEM
From the Ferguson Command Center
I removed my badge and my I.D.
So you couldn’t put a trace on me
Ripped ’em both off my shirt
So you couldn’t link me to any “dirt”
You don’t need to know my name
I’m not one who feels any shame
I control these streets, you see
So don’t look to identify me
Don’t point your cameras in my face
Don’t tell me it’s because of your race
I know who I am and where I should be
It’s why I removed my badge and I.D.
Wow, perfect. Last line SLAYS.
The bard of TOD strikes again. I like this one, JO’B!
You going to publish this one on twitter, JO’B?
{ In fact, are you planning to publish your own book of (political) poetry any time soon?}
This is powerful jacquelineoboomer
All of it true and the actions of a coward
White privilege with a side of cowardice …. brilliantly done, Jacqueline.
Damn you can write, woman!
…Seriously, will ya publish the book already? You can self-publish it as an ebook, if you don’t wanna go the traditional route. Meta can give you some tips! 🙂
Give the proceeds to some charity if you’re shy about making money.
Just DO it!
[… with love]
Oh my!!!! so powerful. I can feel the outrage in every syllable.
This is the context of what Josh Marshall was talking about and wrote. Makes perfect sense to me.
http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2014/08/seeing-racism.html
Thanks. It was a comment from a reader…..Not Josh’s. Publishing, it, I suppose, he did that for he found himself in that same predicament.
Nerdy’s new post:
http://theobamadiary.com/2014/08/21/ferguson-a-community-stands-up-for-its-rights/
The next post is still not regularly appearing at the right-hand lower corner. FYI
It has been intermittently today.
i have learned so many things about Mr. Robin Williams -beyond his gifts as an entertainer ;
he was a very caring human being – military, unions, minorities, homeless population …… ;
Aw! Is it possible to love that man more?
There’s someone who walked the walk. Such a tragic loss for the world.
He was in many ways a very selfless person. Charitable without need for recognition.
His ashes were scattered over the San Francisco Bay yesterday.
May he rest in eternal peace.
Dateline … Ferguson
Mayor John Knowles said there’s no racial divide
Then he tiptoed through the tulips
And stepped inside
Prosecutor McCulloch says he can try this case
He’s the son of a victim, sharing the pain
No mention his daddy’s killer had a black face
Out of fifty-three officers the day Mike Brown died
The fact the African-American count’s three
Must mean “No Blacks Applied”
Don’t let them pull more wool over our eyes
Stay awake, bear witness, keep the watch,
Help prevent the day Ferguson’s total innocence dies.