Rise and Shine

@jesseberney: Call this “looting,” I dare you. RT @ShaunKing: Protestors broke into McDonalds to get milk for tear gas victims


9:30 AM Central Time: Medical Examiner Michael Baden, Michael Brown’s attorneys and family will hold a press conference to discuss his autopsy


USA Today: Obama returns to WH for Iraq, Ferguson meetings

President Obama’s somewhat mysterious return to the White House from his Martha’s Vineyard vacation started late Sunday night.

The president is scheduled to have meetings at the White House on Monday and Tuesday, including Monday sessions devoted to the Iraq military operation and the unrest in Ferguson, Mo.

In the morning, Obama and Vice President Biden are scheduled to meet with members of the National Security Council about Iraq.

On Monday afternoon, Attorney General Eric Holder will brief Obama on the investigation of the recent police shooting in Ferguson, Mo., that has sparked major protests.

The president’s brief trip – he is scheduled to return to Martha’s Vineyard on Tuesday, and stay there the rest of the week – has inspired all sorts of speculation.

Obama is on track to announce major executive orders on immigration policy. But aides said that won’t happen this week.

More here



Morning again everyone, have to extend my R&S break for another while, short of time these mornings, but we’ll be updating through the day. So, as ever, if you have any links you’d like to share, please post them in the comments – thank yooooou!


On This Day

President Barack Obama in Rochester, August 18, 2012 ( Photograph by Scout Tufankjian)

President Barack Obama in Manchester, August 18, 2012 (Photograph by Scout Tufankjian)


91 Responses to “Rise and Shine”

  1. 1 donna dem 4 obama
    August 18, 2014 at 9:42 am


    • August 18, 2014 at 9:43 am

      Morning Donna! Morning everyone.

      • 3 donna dem 4 obama
        August 18, 2014 at 9:46 am

        Hello Chips

        When will this nightmare end? I found myself crying while driving to work today. All they want is justice!!!!!!!!

        • August 18, 2014 at 10:17 am

          The brutality is unspeakable. Women, children, seniors – it’s enough to make anyone with a heart cry. The police are fascists trying to eradicate their own community.

          As much as I despise the press, seeing that policeman turn a spotlight on a camera to avoid being filmed is a seminal moment and I hope that it will be seen as such.

  2. 5 japa21
    August 18, 2014 at 9:44 am

    just missed

  3. 7 amk for obama
    August 18, 2014 at 9:44 am

  4. 8 Dudette
    August 18, 2014 at 9:45 am

  5. 9 desertflower
    August 18, 2014 at 9:45 am

    His return from vacation is “mysterious” ?? We knew this would happen BEFORE HE EVEN WENT ON VACATION!

  6. 22 Dudette
    August 18, 2014 at 9:46 am

  7. August 18, 2014 at 9:46 am

    Good morning DD, Chips and TOD.

  8. 24 Dudette
    August 18, 2014 at 9:46 am

  9. August 18, 2014 at 9:47 am

    Good morning!

    I see some people have gotten their wish. Gov. Nixon has sent in the National Guard…..to protect the police. Sigh.

  10. 28 Dudette
    August 18, 2014 at 9:47 am

  11. 29 desertflower
    August 18, 2014 at 9:48 am


    Whatever Obama announces when it comes to executive action to ease deportations, Republicans will claim he is basically shredding the Constitution into kindling to light a fire under the Dem base in advance of the 2014 elections. But what if the White House can build a coalition behind coming actions that would allow Dems to portray them as an effort to solve problems for multiple constituencies, including GOP-aligned ones?

    The other day, I reported that Dems were eying the possibility of enlisting business, agricultural, and tech interests who might want changes to the visa system as part of whatever Obama proposes. These changes could be accomplished administratively, along with action on deportations.

    Today Politico reports that discussions are underway over broadening the executive actions to win over those interests:

    Long Game.

  12. 30 amk for obama
    August 18, 2014 at 9:49 am

    I don’t understand the consternation over national guards. Isn’t this the exact type of out-of-control situation they are for?

    • 31 99ts
      August 18, 2014 at 9:52 am

      To protect the police?? This lot are quite capable of protecting themselves. They should be protecting the people of Ferguson FROM the police.

      • 32 amk for obama
        August 18, 2014 at 9:54 am

        who said it was to protect the police? was there an official release?

        (otoh, those need to be protected from themselves)

        • 33 amk for obama
          August 18, 2014 at 9:56 am

          those idjits …

        • 34 99ts
          August 18, 2014 at 9:57 am

          I saw it tweeted by Antonio French

          Antonio French @AntonioFrench · 1h

          National Guardsmen have arrived in south St. Louis City. @kmov reports about 80 members will protect the police command center in #Ferguson.

    • 37 japa21
      August 18, 2014 at 10:03 am

      Yes, as long as they are seen as peace keepers and don’t automatically side with the police.

      I know people like to see what is happening in Ferguson as clear cut, and to some degree it is. Something happened, the killing of Mike Brown which triggered a reaction. The police definitely overreacted to that.

      The killing of Brown was definitely unjustified, but we are still learning details of what happened that day, and will probably never fully understand or know all the details.

      The police definitely overreacted. But to some degree, that is because of the general societal attitudes that have developed over the years.

      When I was much younger, the police were considered friends. Now, many people view them as a necessary evil. Part of that is brought on by the police itself, some of it is brought on by an attitude of the public at large.

      On top of all that (because what I have discussed so far is not dependent on this issue) is the racial animus involved. This has increased (at least in terms of public exposure) a great deal in recent years and is now at the boiling point.

      What is happening is that both sides to a degree (more so on the police side) are reacting in ways to justify (not really) the prejusdices of the other side. This ratchets up the reactions on both sides as well.

      The story of the looting reminds me of post-Katrina reactions. When newstories talked about what was happening in the AA community, words such as looting were commonly used. But when whites were seen doing some of the same things, looting was not used. The behavior was such as to just survive.

      It would be really nice to just tie everything up in a neat bundle and state this is exactly what it is all about. We can’t and I wonder if we ever will.

      • 38 amk for obama
        August 18, 2014 at 10:16 am

        As an outsider, what I am seeing over-the-top tactics from the US police for every minor misdemeanor. And in this particular case, complete dereliction of duty by the civilian admin.

      • 39 arapaho415
        August 18, 2014 at 10:18 am

        Posted yesterday…

      • 40 Nerdy Wonka
        August 18, 2014 at 10:47 am

        “When I was much younger, the police were considered friends.” – When I read this sentence, Japa, I laughed and laughed.

        I don’t believe you spoke to a Black person before putting down that claim.

        That is not what African-Americans have ever experienced.

    • 41 57andfemale
      August 18, 2014 at 10:18 am

      The national guard, under state jurisdiction, is completely reasonable in this case, since local law enforcement is inept, at best.

      I’m hearing from people who should know better, that PBO should nationalize these guardsmen. THAT would be an overreach.

      • 42 amk for obama
        August 18, 2014 at 10:21 am

        Yup. I am not gonna freak out… Yet.

      • 43 arapaho415
        August 18, 2014 at 10:24 am


        Not doubting you at all, 57F, it’s people like that who have no memory of the 1960s who should STFU.

        LBJ was vilified for calling up the National Guard to protect the Selma-to-Montgomery marchers when true bigot George Wallace refused to spend state dollars to protect these civil rights heroes.

        Yeah, that would be a great move by PBO to bring out the RWNJ hatred.


  13. 45 Dudette
    August 18, 2014 at 9:49 am

    • August 18, 2014 at 9:57 am

      I was thinking about this earlier this morning and how this family must feel. They have the same pain the Brown family does but except for local, their story and loss is getting no coverage.

      • 47 arapaho415
        August 18, 2014 at 10:26 am

        It’s getting a lot of coverage in the LA area.

        If violence breaks out in LA, you can bet your sweet bippy the helicopter national MSM would be here in the blink of an eye.

    • 48 amk for obama
      August 18, 2014 at 10:01 am

      It never stops, does it? At least, there is some sunlight now.

    • August 18, 2014 at 10:53 am

      I think we’re going to see protests in other cities as well. Ferguson has awaken a sleeping giant. Too many black people killed by the police in dubious circumstances. People are fed up.

  14. 50 Dudette
    August 18, 2014 at 9:51 am

  15. 52 donna dem 4 obama
    August 18, 2014 at 9:56 am


    • August 18, 2014 at 9:59 am

      He’s been doing great work on Twitter, Donna, but some of his stuff pisses me off. Eg:

      Surely the onus should be on the authorities/cops to stop this escalation, rather than “Black leadership in STL”?

      And if the killer cop was charged, none of this would be happening.

      • 54 hopefruit2
        August 18, 2014 at 10:06 am

        “And if the killer cop was charged, none of this would be happening.”

        EXACTLY! All these other stuff are distractions, side issues that do not advance the goal of getting an arrest and (hopefully) a conviction and sentencing for the murder of an unarmed teen. Right now people should be focused on the results of the preliminary autopsy – not what some celebrity by the name of “Keke” was or wasn’t doing in Ferguson last night.

        • August 18, 2014 at 10:17 am

          The constant ‘both sides’ crap in this is disgusting, Sally Kohn was at it too the other day.

          There is only one ‘side’ responsible for this: the cop who killed Michael Brown/the people protecting him/out of control cops and their bosses who are doing nothing about it.

          • August 18, 2014 at 10:21 am

            I’m grateful to you for taking Sally Kohn and her ridiculous tweet down. SO infuriating.

            • August 18, 2014 at 10:26 am

              And then she played the innocent, Meta. If I see anyone else trying to turn this in to a ****ing academic debate, I will scream.

              It’s so much simpler than that: unarmed teenager shot dead by out of control cop. Charge cop with murder. That’s it.

          • 58 hopefruit2
            August 18, 2014 at 10:25 am

            Exactly – the media loves to muddy the waters (as they did in the Zimmerman case) by keeping the focus OFF the actual incident and the one(s) responsible for the death of the victim. Trying to generate sympathy for a killer cop who does not deserve it while amplifying images of the Ferguson residents as looters/thugs/rioters, etc..

            At this point, I don’t need to know whether or not Capt Johnson is a figurehead, or whether Chris Hayes was teargassed, or whether the National Guard is going to be brought in. We need to know what happened at the time of the shooting, where Darren Wilson is, and what charges are going to be brought.

            All these other things are all taking attention away from seeing that justice is swiftly and properly served to Mike Brown and his family.

      • 59 donna dem 4 obama
        August 18, 2014 at 10:13 am


  16. 60 amk for obama
    August 18, 2014 at 9:59 am

    • 61 arapaho415
      August 18, 2014 at 10:29 am

      How can she say that?

      The whole point from last night was that the police moved in hours before the curfew took effect. WTH?

  17. August 18, 2014 at 10:00 am

  18. 63 desertflower
    August 18, 2014 at 10:02 am

    Why you don’t know where Officer Wilson is..

    Retweeted by Goldie Taylor
    Bipartisan Report @Bipartisanism · 9h
    Autopsy expert on CNN says shots that hit inside of arm and hand are consistent with a man with arms up in style of surrendering. #Ferguson

  19. 69 sherijr
    August 18, 2014 at 10:03 am

    Is there a link to the press conference on the autopsy? I’m guessing that 9:30 am time is not E.T.

  20. 74 Dudette
    August 18, 2014 at 10:04 am

  21. 75 Dudette
    August 18, 2014 at 10:05 am

  22. 77 Dudette
    August 18, 2014 at 10:06 am

  23. 78 desertflower
    August 18, 2014 at 10:10 am

    And about those ” molotov cocktails” they mentioned as the reason for violence last night…I heard as I listened to MSNBC that they were really fireworks, not molotov cocktails. Any excuse.

    • 79 sherijr
      August 18, 2014 at 10:13 am

      I read that last night too. Like I said earlier, with all that media out there, if folks had been throwing molotovs, they’d have surely gotten video of it. Nothing these police say can be trusted.

  24. 80 vcprezofan2
    August 18, 2014 at 10:16 am

    Have to go eat – can’t wait till my lunch ‘date’.

  25. August 18, 2014 at 10:22 am

  26. August 18, 2014 at 10:25 am

    Ignacio Gallup-Diaz @igallupd

    White House correspondent on MSNBC reports that Gov Nixon didn’t consult/inform Pres regarding sending in the National Guard.

    • 83 hopefruit2
      August 18, 2014 at 10:33 am

      These are incidental issues. We need to not take the media’s bait of making this about Nixon vs Obama, or Capt Johnson, etc. This is about a killer cop who needs to be arrested and convicted. Anything else is a distraction.

      • 84 Vicki
        August 18, 2014 at 10:37 am

        this is also about “justice delayed is justice denied.”

        • 85 hopefruit2
          August 18, 2014 at 10:39 am

          Yes it is. And the more people are dragged into the irrelevant distractions, the more the Ferguson PD can get away with delay (and denial) of justice.

  27. 86 hopefruit2
    August 18, 2014 at 10:26 am

  28. August 18, 2014 at 10:27 am

    I read a fair number of tweets including from Sf Pelosi that white anarchists are causing trouble and instigating mayhem in ferguson. Anyone else hear that?

    • August 18, 2014 at 10:29 am

      Oh, I see Antonio French tweet above re this.

    • 90 Puddin'
      August 18, 2014 at 1:53 pm

      This exactly what happened in Oakland, CA when folks were protesting re Oscar Grant’s murder! I believe this is what Captain Johnson was really talking about when he said the actions of some were planned.

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