Early Bird Chat

 On This Day: Local fishing guide Dan Vermillion reacts as President Barack Obama almost hooks a trout on the East Gallatin River near Belgrade, Mont., on Aug. 14, 2009 (Photo by Pete Souza)


MoooOOOooorning – Happy Thursday!


126 Responses to “Early Bird Chat”

  1. August 14, 2014 at 7:43 am

    Morning Chipsticks….greetings TODers!

  2. 5 jackiegrumbacher
    August 14, 2014 at 7:47 am

    Morning Chips and SW. Chips I hope you had a terrific birthday yesterday. Did you get all the extra special treats we wished for you?

  3. 7 57andfemale
    August 14, 2014 at 7:47 am

    Morning, guys. How’s the birthday hangover, Chips?

  4. August 14, 2014 at 7:48 am

    Chipsticks, I hope you enjoyed your birthday and the Danny behaved in deference to your special day. 🙂

  5. 9 57andfemale
    August 14, 2014 at 7:48 am

    Did this get posted here? Only linking to dKos because the WSJ article is behind a firewall.


    • 10 99ts
      August 14, 2014 at 7:55 am

      I’ve NO idea why – but if you google the article – it can be read at the source.

    • 18 jackiegrumbacher
      August 14, 2014 at 9:13 am

      57, this article’s description of Netanyahu’s attitude toward President Obama really ticked me off. Because of Hillary’s public love note to Bibi, he’s now saying he will just wait out PBO’s last two years until he can basically manipulate HRC at will. She is a bigger fool than I thought she was if she supports Netanyahu in this. It’s outrageous.

      • 19 57andfemale
        August 14, 2014 at 9:51 am

        Of course he will. and Hillary will play right into that. She is nothing but calculation – I wonder if there’s any heart or real intelligence in her. She had a chance to show her greatness in 2008, and chose instead to crawl into the slime where she was terrifyingly comfortable. And the truth is – she is a neocon on foreign policy. That’s who she is. She can assure Bibi and AIPAC that she is a better choice than some TeaPublican loose cannon. All that matters to her is her ambition.

        I’m waiting for her to prove me wrong, to show me why she would be an excellent choice for POTUS. I’ll vote for her if I have to, but so far I don’t want to.

  6. 20 99ts
    August 14, 2014 at 7:52 am

    GM Ms Chips and everyone – I don’t remember seeing that photo before – PBO has to be the most photogenic man ever – its a wonderful picture

  7. 42 africa
    August 14, 2014 at 7:54 am

    Congrats Swbluega

    Happy Thursday TODers

    Heeeeeya Chips

  8. 45 amk for obama
    August 14, 2014 at 7:55 am

    Didja paint the town green y’day?

  9. August 14, 2014 at 7:55 am

    I am catching up and reading through the previous posts and comments about what was happening in Ferguson yesterday and overnight. Looks like the FPD’s actions are doing more to incite the rioting rather doing what is needed to calm the situation. [SMH] I guess the treatment of journalists is the reason I’m seeing more and more snippets of what is happening there on the MSM…although the focus seems to be on the rioting and mention of Michael Brown (if any) seems to be an “…and oh yeah…”.

    The reaction of the citizens who are rioting indicates to me that the killing of Michael Brown, which in itself is a tragedy and a travesty, was the straw that broke the camel’s back. The overblown and melodramatic actions of the FPD – even with cameras rolling; even in the light of day – just proves what AA citizens have quietly suffered over the years. The FPD obviously has no interest in trying to bring calm as they continue to provoke the unarmed individuals who were peacefully (at least initially) protesting. I guess the reaction they are getting is supposed to prove that the officer was justified in shooting Michael Brown and in their treatment of black/brown citizens in general. The FPD seems to have no worries that their actions will be censored [by city/state elected officials] as they continue to thumb their noses at those in Ferguson who are demanding justice, as well as those who are watching across the U.S. and around the world.

    • 50 jackiegrumbacher
      August 14, 2014 at 8:05 am

      SW, I agree that this is a deliberate attempt to provoke on the part of the Ferguson police for the exact purpose you stated–proving they were justified in gunning down a young black man. It won’t work because this group is too stupid to understand what overkill is. Everyone can see the provocation in the clear light of day and and the whole world knows who’s doing it.

    • 51 taiping1
      August 14, 2014 at 9:29 am


      This article and thoughtful comments on the militarization of the PDs and recent spate of killings of Black men while white men are free to walk around with guns or to bomb marathons or shoot up movie theaters or Congressional meet and greets without being shot is a good read.

  10. August 14, 2014 at 8:09 am

    G’morning Chips and TOD. Wishing everyone a pleasant Thursday. 🙂 The city of Ferguson remains in my thoughts and prayers.

    • August 14, 2014 at 8:16 am

      Morning Hopefruit, I was honestly afraid to watch the news this morning, it’s miraculous to me that more people haven’t been killed by the police.

      • 55 nospin
        August 14, 2014 at 9:46 am

        because Chips there are more people than cops and there would be no one left standing in that aftermath.

        The PD leadership may be stupid but not that stupid.

        • August 14, 2014 at 9:54 am

          But that clip I posted last night Nospin – and that was just a single 90 second scene from Ferguson – they were firing rubber bullets in to the crowd. I checked the stats this morning, 17 people were killed in Northern Ireland by rubber bullets through the years, never mind ‘real’ bullets. I don’t know how someone wasn’t killed last night.

  11. 57 anniebella
    August 14, 2014 at 8:15 am

    I was watching John King of CNN this morning and he were asking the question should Obama go to Missouri. They also asked about the Governor, and other the other politicians, why we haven’t heard from them. Do anyone think the President need to go to Missouri? Then he talked about the WH talking about the “hug” last night when all that is going on in Ferguson, but from what I remember it was the media doing all the talk about the hug.

    • 58 57andfemale
      August 14, 2014 at 8:18 am

      So they can impeach him for stepping over the Gov. and local officials?

      Not a chance. But expect to hear Smiley and West pontificate about how PBO doesn’t care about black people.

    • 59 hopefruit2
      August 14, 2014 at 8:26 am

      This is just the media’s way of trying to get the Ferguson and St. Louis PD off the hook by making it all about PBO. As usual.

    • 61 dotster3
      August 14, 2014 at 8:40 am

      Again—–from what I can tell, this is a false identity. Her facebook heading photo is her with another man, not the police chief, which I assume is her husband—–(from the same cropped photo seen above) And chief’s name is Thomas Jackson—-so different last name. Don’t know who she is or if she’s related to anyone currently in spotlight. Who keeps pushing this—and why?

    • 63 57andfemale
      August 14, 2014 at 8:49 am

      I’ve ‘undone’ the tweet but it remains here at TOD. Twitter, although a great resource, must be verified.

    • 64 anniebella
      August 14, 2014 at 9:11 am

      57andfemale ,This is racists. And if she feel that way you can bet the police chief does too.

  12. August 14, 2014 at 8:44 am

    I hope they have the right cop:


    • 70 57andfemale
      August 14, 2014 at 8:50 am

      I’m waiting for confirmation. Of course, the FPD has behaved with such disdain for the law, they will probably continue to obstruct justice.

    • August 14, 2014 at 8:58 am

      Not confirmation, of course, but here’s a contribution from the twitterverse:

    • 73 dotster3
      August 14, 2014 at 8:59 am

      Correct identity or not, I am hugely suspicious of anything this anonymous gang does—–don’t trust motives, which seem to me to be anarchy. Most are inciting from outside the country.

      • August 14, 2014 at 9:01 am

        As my Granny used to say, Dotster: ‘I wouldn’t trust them as far as I could throw them.’

        Their #MikeBrown tweets are interspersed with PBO-bashing stuff, so the agenda is very clear. They don’t give a damn about Michael Brown.

      • 76 hopefruit2
        August 14, 2014 at 9:04 am

        I don’t trust them either. And I wouldn’t be surprised if this person so-identified by them turns out to be the WRONG guy. People need to be very careful about retweeting their crap.

    • 77 jackiegrumbacher
      August 14, 2014 at 9:18 am

      If this is the guy, he had better be in custody. He has absolutely no business being out on the street as a menace to any living person. AG Holder said the FBI was involved, so maybe he can be charged with a hate crime under federal law. We can only hope.

    • 78 nospin
      August 14, 2014 at 9:48 am

      I will wait for confirmation.

  13. 80 dotster3
    August 14, 2014 at 8:51 am

    One thought I had this a.m. on Ferguson—–from what I’ve observed it’s a relatively small number of people taking part in these night protests. There was a larger number involved earlier in a peaceful march organized by area churches—–and I think I read that they had agreed to end all presence and demonstrations by 6:00, which most did——disbursed and went home. And I have seen many statements by residents there, many while voluntarily cleaning up the aftermath of the previous night’s protest, that they are ready for some calm—–don’t want this going on every night in their community, want their kids in school etc. Many have had it—–said they’re moving out of there——tired of having their kids sleep on mattresses on the floor out of the line of possible fire etc. I just think it’s a shame that this escalates out of control every night—-largely provoked by the war machinery rolling in—–and just becomes a self-feeding frenzy——just a shame—-not an answer to anything.

    • August 14, 2014 at 9:16 am

      CBS radio news reports this morning that schools are closed, that daytime protests are peaceful but nighttime protests are not.

      They fail to mention the police state siege that happens at night and report every excuse given by the FPD, but few (if any) from persons not representing the police department.

      They do air soundbites from a reporter or two who are actually on the scene, who also fail to mention the MRAPs, rifles, stance of the police, etc.

      MSM broadcasts are the definition of “whitewashing.”

    • 83 desertflower
      August 14, 2014 at 8:56 am

      My take? Trying to be too politically correct and is ignoring realities on the ground. This needs some stronger words and more forceful, urgent action.

    • August 14, 2014 at 9:01 am

      He is so fucking done. His political career is over, so he might as well do the right thing by the citizens of Ferguson.

    • 87 japa21
      August 14, 2014 at 9:16 am

      Personally, I don’t have a problem with that comment. He is basically expressing understanding of what the people are going through and his message is really directed at the authorities in charge not to hassle the citizens when they are protesting and to not prevent the press from reporting. It really isn’t any different from what you would expect PBO to say.

  14. August 14, 2014 at 8:55 am

    Lots of people on TODville have the same thoughts, as did I on Monday (both tweets previously posted here):

    • 90 dotster3
      August 14, 2014 at 9:07 am

      I understand the anger, but I think there are forces at work here to try to damage/oust a Dem governor. I see a lot of troubling signs, people trying to take advantage of this uproar with political motivations. Think it may be a good idea to not add fuel to the fire, see what transpires today.

      • 91 desertflower
        August 14, 2014 at 9:15 am

        Understand what you’re saying, but the statement that HE HIMSELF made…..still lacking.

      • 92 hopefruit2
        August 14, 2014 at 9:17 am

        Good point Dotster. I always become suspicious when I see a tremendous amount of focus on a DEM politician during times of unrest. I wonder whether he is up for re-election this Nov? Also, was he featured prominently when PBO visited MO a couple weeks ago?

      • 93 amk for obama
        August 14, 2014 at 9:21 am

        Isn’t he termed out? Regardless of his party affiliation, his total lack of civilian leadership is worthy of criticism.

        • 94 dotster3
          August 14, 2014 at 9:59 am

          I suspect an effort to do damage to all Dems, the gov. and the pres. included, even tho they’re termed out. Make voters apathetic/give up on Dems.

          • 95 amk for obama
            August 14, 2014 at 10:17 am

            All the more reason for dems to grow some backbone and show some leadership. This type of weak sauce only strengthens the wrong view that dems can’t govern.

  15. 96 amk for obama
    August 14, 2014 at 8:55 am

  16. 97 vcprezofan2
    August 14, 2014 at 9:02 am

    GooOooddd Dddaaay, TODobots! We have finally made it to Thursday – thank God!

    • 98 hopefruit2
      August 14, 2014 at 9:06 am

      Good to see you vc. Hope you are well 🙂

      • 99 vcprezofan2
        August 14, 2014 at 9:13 am

        MooOoorrrnNning, Hopefruit! I am very well physically. Mentally, I’m watching the bizarre situation in #Ferguson, as, no doubt, you are.

        Must tell you I appreciated your very restrained response to that Butler person last night/yesterday. Reminiscent of our leader. Very well done!

    • 102 99ts
      August 14, 2014 at 9:21 am

      40 minutes & I can say TGIF – gm vc – enjoy your Thursday

  17. 104 Don
    August 14, 2014 at 9:07 am

    I’ve got a lot of rage this morning, black boys and black men are being executed in the streets of America and some people act as though this shit is normal. I can tolerate the injustice of what happened in Ferguson, but I cannot tolerate the indignity of what happened in Ferguson. A black boy was executed and we are supposed to act sane, when have we not acted sane? When have we not acted sane in the face of an execution that has happened to black men for centuries here in America? When are we going to stop being executed? I don’t want to hear nothing about holding hands and singing songs, I don’t want to hear nothing about people coming together and talking. We don’t need to come together as a community and try to pray this shit away. The only thing we need is to have our black boys and black men not shot down like animals, can you please stop killing us.

    • 105 anniebella
      August 14, 2014 at 9:15 am

      Yes Don I can understand were you are coming from.

    • 107 Vicki
      August 14, 2014 at 9:22 am

      Don, you’ve got it right.
      An unarmed 18 year old was murdered. This is not about journalists being roughly handled.

      Nothing Jay Nixon says now can matter to me. He stayed away from Eerguson for four days while police action was taking away not only a life but a community’s right to peacefully assemble.
      Jay Nixon is in deep shit.

    • 108 nospin
      August 14, 2014 at 10:08 am

      I am with you Don and I could give two shits about how this may or may not look for a “dem”. All bullshit and has ZERO relevance.

  18. 109 japa21
    August 14, 2014 at 9:13 am

    GM all.

    Just a point which I think is important. Listening to a reporter for WaPo this morning. He was arrested last night for not leaving a McDonals last night in Fergusen when the police decided it should just be evacuated, no reason given. While he was packing his things he was also trying to make a recording.

    Anyway, one of the points he made, and I think it is an important one, is that the police chief of Fergoson has little control over the majority of police officers currently there. The Fergison police are way outnumbered by the St. Louis County and state police and they don’t anser to him.

    Not trying to provide any cover for him, but I think this is an important fact. There are at least three different police jurisdictions involved and they don’t all have either a specific authority they all must report to and they don;t all have the same agendas. This doesn’t make the situation any better.

    • 110 Don
      August 14, 2014 at 9:17 am

      When it comes to the African American community cops aren’t supposed to be or required to be in control.

      • 111 nospin
        August 14, 2014 at 10:16 am

        all I have to do Don is substitute the situations.

        If this happened in a white neighborhood, would the response, reactions and the follow up be the same?

        the answer is hell no. No it would not. So they can miss me with this non explanation.

    • 112 99ts
      August 14, 2014 at 9:25 am

      I read somewhere that this has a great advantage for the police – each group can say they didn’t do a,b, or c – must have been someone else. SOMEONE needs to be in charge – as seen – 3 leaders is turmoil for everyone.

    • 113 amk for obama
      August 14, 2014 at 9:31 am

      sounds typical hedunnit MBA excuse to me.

      • 114 nospin
        August 14, 2014 at 10:14 am

        all bullshyte amk. This is like the reporter/blogger who was arrested who after his release tweeted about the inconvenience of having to eat a cold burrito in his cell but what the hey– they were all having a bad day and the cops did drive him home.


    • 115 Alycee (@jazziz2)
      August 14, 2014 at 9:42 am

      Hence last night’s tweet:

    • 116 nospin
      August 14, 2014 at 10:10 am


  19. 117 hopefruit2
    August 14, 2014 at 9:14 am


    But… but…. but Ferguson Police Chief’s wife told us that “Blacks” just murder everyone, murder each other, murder unborn children, murder whites, murder police officers…yet you’re telling me that in 8 months into the year, not a single murder committed by a “BLACK?”

  20. 118 desertflower
    August 14, 2014 at 9:20 am


    FERGUSON • St. Louis Alderman Antonio French emerged Thursday morning from a night in jail after his arrest at the Ferguson protests to say that the police officers’ “heavy-handed” approach on the streets is making the situation worse.

    French said he has no documentation that says why he was arrested, and that he was released about 7 a.m. today without having to post any bail.

    No police spokesman was available to explain why French was arrested.

    French said he should never have been locked up, nor should the dozen or so others at the jail overnight.

    “Inside that jail is nothing but peacekeepers,” he said. “They rounded up the wrong people … reverends, young people organizing the peace effort.”

    Police arrested about a dozen people Wednesday night, including French and two national reporters. Police used tear gas and sonic cannons to disperse the crowds. Today, Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon is scheduled to visit Ferguson in the wake of the growing protests.

  21. 124 Vicki
    August 14, 2014 at 9:25 am

    Chips, nerdy, LL LP AMK—whoever is blog tyrant today—I have a request. Please play the Soloman Burke recording of “None of us are Free” that Dudette treated us to late last night.
    Thank you Dudette for this musical gift but since it was posted very late some of TOD family may have missed it.

  22. 126 desertflower
    August 14, 2014 at 9:28 am

    Putin got played by the master. It’s going to hurt even more….


    The Kremlin’s worst clash with the West since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union has accelerated the outflow of two of Russia’s most prized assets: money and brains.

    Vladimir Putin’s annexation of Crimea and support for rebels accused of shooting down a passenger plane over Ukraine then hindering the recovery of the 298 bodies have shredded Western hopes of a lasting alliance with Moscow.

    Sanctioned by the United States and European Union, Putin’s courtiers are under fire, Russia’s $2 trillion economy is threatened with isolation and millions of Russians across the world are wondering what next.

    Russia is still earning much-needed revenues from pipelines carrying oil and gas to the West, but, less happily for the Kremlin, capital and talent are flowing in the same direction.

    Russia’s Economy Ministry is forecasting $100 billion in capital outflows for this year, up from $61 billion in 2013, but that looks optimistic. Indeed some think that figure has already been exceeded.

    “Somewhere between $100 billion and $200 billion of capital flight has taken place,” said U.S. President Barack Obama on Aug. 6.

    European Central Bank President Mario Draghi said back in May that the crisis had prompted “very significant outflows that have been estimated by some to be in the order of 160 billion euro ($214 billion) out of Russia”.

    Even economists from Moscow’s Higher School of Economics forecast outflows could total $130-$150 billion this year.

    And it will get worse, according to a senior Western banker.

    That’s a BIG FU, Pootie:)

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