Chat away









This will surely make MTP relevant in the interim




All kind of crazy things going on regrarding Russia/Ukraine today:






CBC NEWS: While Stephen Harper is still receptive to the tweets of Homer Simpson, he has stopped following the Russian prime minister on Twitter. Earlier this month, CBC News pointed out that the Simpson family’s patriarch and Dmitri Medvedev were among the noteworthy people and organizations that Harper followed on his Twitter account @pmharper. What made Medvedev’s inclusion particularly noteworthy was that he was the only foreign leader followed by Harper and that Medvedev’s tweets continued to be followed by Harper despite the tough criticism coming from the Conservative government about Moscow’s actions in Ukraine. Asked about the sudden unfollowing, Carl Vallée, a spokesman for the Prime Minister’s Office, said in an email: “The Putin regime’s aggressive behaviour in illegally occupying Ukraine speaks for itself. We have no interest in following Russian propaganda.”



MASHABLE: DONETSK, Ukraine – Strelkov is out. The military commander of Russian-backed rebels in eastern Ukraine, who ordered the executions of at least three men by firing squad and boasted on social media about shooting Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 out of the sky, resigned on Thursday, according to the news agency of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s republic (DNR). Igor Girkin, a Russian nationalist and former security service agent better known by his nom de guerre “Strelkov,” or “Shooter,” stepped down after conflicting reports on Thursday that he had been severely wounded in battle near the city of Torez, Donetsk region..continued



Foreign Policy: Since the White House announced plans to bomb Iraq on Aug. 7, a predictable set of Washington players has taken the opportunity to blame the Obama administration’s missteps for the capture of broad swaths of Iraq by radical jihadists. But while U.S. jets pound the Islamic State’s positions in northern Iraq, President Barack Obama has been firing back at critics at home. When a reporter asked Obama last Saturday if withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq had caused the current situation there, the president pointed the finger back at the Bush administration and its supporters. “So that entire analysis is bogus and is wrong. But it is frequently peddled around here by folks who oftentimes are trying to defend previous policies that they themselves made,” the president said. Meanwhile, the president’s critics, including notably Sen. John McCain, have accused Obama of not just doing too little in Syria or Iraq, but having “lost” a war in Iraq that George W. Bush had “won.”…

The task for anyone concerned about the parlous developments in the Middle East is to persuade Americans that the previous administration’s blunders over Saddam Hussein’s illusory weapons of mass destruction should not prejudice the current administration’s efforts to deal with the very real threat of a brutal, highly capable extremist group attempting to take over the heart of the Middle East. That change in American public opinion won’t happen as long as proponents of greater U.S. intervention in Iraq run away from the reality of the Bush intervention. Indeed, the charge of having “lost” the Iraq War only prompts critics of that war, like Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, to issue pointed reminders of the litany of Bush-era Iraq mistakes. “We’re stuck listening to the very same neocons who pushed us into the Iraq War in the first place, as they try to plunge our military into another foreign misadventure,” Reid said on the Senate floor…..













169 Responses to “Chat away”

  1. 1 taiping1
    August 14, 2014 at 5:58 pm


  2. 3 taiping1
    August 14, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    Glad PBO on Ferguson.

  3. August 14, 2014 at 6:01 pm

    Just heard that Zell Miller, the former democratic governor who defected to the republican party, is endorsing Michelle Nunn for senator.

  4. 18 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 6:02 pm

    Good Evening TODers.

    Maliki is gone. Yazidis are getting help. Ferguson, MO residents have now gotten a tad of relief.

    This morning I was not happy. But now, I am not unhappy. I am looking forward to sleeping better tonight.

    Thank You, Pres Obama 😉

  5. 23 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    Obviously any fool wishing to protest in front of the WH flying an ISIL/ISIS Flag will undoubtedly be watched by the Secret Service.

  6. 24 dotster3
    August 14, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    Hoping things don’t spiral out of control again tonight——that the apparent change helps, a lessening of police presence

    • August 14, 2014 at 6:15 pm

      I’m hoping the same thing, dotster3. It would go a long way in emphasizing that the Ferguson/St Louis PDs were the primary cause of the rioting these past few days. Rather than trying to bring calm, they continued to provoke and cause the escalation of emotions and negative reactions.

  7. 26 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 6:12 pm

  8. 27 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 6:13 pm

  9. 28 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 6:14 pm

  10. 30 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 6:15 pm

  11. 34 hopefruit2
    August 14, 2014 at 6:23 pm

    In a red states like MO, Black voters are forced to choose between sub-par choices at election time, and thus must make a decision as to who is the “lesser-of-two-evils.” I resent when people try to blame and scapegoat Black voters. Nixon’s opponent (whom most whites voted for) was an even worse RW extremist – and he would not even be seen on the phone with PBO in a situation like this, let alone take orders from him as gov of MO.

  12. 35 dotster3
    August 14, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    Sorry, but ugh! Not helpful. This kind of rhetoric part of the prob, not part of the solution.

    • 36 Linda
      August 14, 2014 at 6:31 pm

      Shame on her…..it make her look bad, not him.

    • 37 hopefruit2
      August 14, 2014 at 6:32 pm

      She’s going to wind up deleting that tweet and apologizing…just watch….

      While I’m sure most people can understand where she’s coming from, she did herself no favors by sending out this tweet, and she’s certainly not helping the situation in Ferguson. No solutions, just angry lashing out is not only unprofessional but counter-productive, even though it might provide cathartic relief. This is the kind of behavior that some folks wanted POTUS to demonstrate. Letting his emotions get the better of him, while accomplishing nothing important for the residents or city of Ferguson.

  13. August 14, 2014 at 6:25 pm

    Adios, moron.

    • 42 Linda
      August 14, 2014 at 6:30 pm

      He may love it , but he sure does not know to practice it.

    • 43 Vicki
      August 14, 2014 at 6:34 pm

      Chuckles Toad the replacement will be no better.

      It has seemed very clear to me for quite some time that the MSNBC agenda is not about increasing their audience as much as it is consolidating their propaganda effort. Very little dissent is tolerated and All of it gets “Off-set” with sophomoric ridicule that keeps the GOP flag flying.
      This is clear on the most liberal shows. The hosts get to discuss what matters to them as long as most of their time is spent discussing the GOP follies. Or, HRC.

  14. August 14, 2014 at 6:26 pm


    Went and did a few things with the Missus, and am now enjoying a refreshing smoothie.

  15. 49 dotster3
    August 14, 2014 at 6:29 pm

  16. August 14, 2014 at 6:30 pm

    I’m at least happy Chuck Todd is no longer WH correspondent for NBC, and we won’t have to see his face daily on MSNBC. I never watched MTP anyway. Getting his smirking face out of those WH press conferences will be a joy to most people.

  17. 53 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 6:33 pm

  18. 54 dotster3
    August 14, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    Looks peaceful so far, police cruisers alongside but no military style presence—-fingers crossed

  19. 59 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 6:36 pm

    • 62 vcprezofan2
      August 14, 2014 at 7:17 pm

      Hey, I can’t retweet that! 😦

      • 63 hopefruit2
        August 14, 2014 at 7:23 pm

        I know. Our HZ has locked her account- I guess for good reason. But the good news is that you can retweet it manually! 🙂

        • 64 vcprezofan2
          August 14, 2014 at 7:24 pm

          You mean copy and paste? But that would fall under my name, right?

          • 65 hopefruit2
            August 14, 2014 at 7:30 pm

            Like this, so her name still shows up at the original tweeter. I modified it (MT) to meet the 140 character limit. 🙂

            I hope I did it right. Many TODers have done it. They can correct me if I’m wrong.

            • 66 vcprezofan2
              August 14, 2014 at 9:06 pm

              Okey-dokey, Hf, I retweeted your modified tweet. My brains were a bit hungry earlier so I couldn’t figure anything out. I’ve fed them now so should be a bit better. 😉

  20. August 14, 2014 at 6:41 pm

    Very, very cool ….

    • 68 Nena20409
      August 14, 2014 at 6:46 pm

      Now….that is what is a 180 from the ugliness as was displayed by the Militarized Police SWAT Teams on 8-13-14.
      In USA, to protest and petition our Government is guaranteed.

    • 70 Nena20409
      August 14, 2014 at 6:51 pm

      In Sept 2005, In NOLA……a 2/3 Star Gen was brought in with his infantry rolling and pointing their weapons…..as he drove in and saw their weapons drawn, He shouted, stand down. We are One people. We are not in a war zone. We don’t point guns at our fellow citizens. The crowd cheered and babies were handed to the Gen……Honoree(sp) or so was his name.

    • 71 hopefruit2
      August 14, 2014 at 6:53 pm

      Yup – What a difference!


  21. 72 amk for obama
    August 14, 2014 at 6:47 pm

    • August 14, 2014 at 8:37 pm

      Dick Gregory did a shitty job as moderator and he definitely did not DO journalism. If he were a minority or woman he would have been gone a long time ago. So the next six years we have to put up with dick-lite Upchuck Toad.

  22. August 14, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    And with that, off to relax. See everyone later.

  23. August 14, 2014 at 6:55 pm

  24. 76 otter 44
    August 14, 2014 at 6:56 pm

    New teaching aids on the civil rights act from the Library of Congress.. They are designed for teachers. Hope this interest some on TOD.. http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2014/14-142.html?loclr=rssloc

    Thank you all for providing a voice to my outrage and sadness over the avalanche of events over the last weeks and days.. Our humane President is a guiding light of moral integrity, sheer grit and practicality. We are blessed to have him.

  25. 78 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 6:57 pm

  26. August 14, 2014 at 6:59 pm

    BTW, awesome roundup, LP. Good work.

  27. 83 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 7:03 pm

  28. 87 susanne
    August 14, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    for vicki– this is still playing in my head, too.

  29. August 14, 2014 at 7:10 pm

  30. 93 desertflower
    August 14, 2014 at 7:14 pm

    Forgive me if this has already been posted..


    In Ferguson, Missouri, local law enforcement has been using tear gas and rubber bullets to disperse largely nonviolent protesters, who have taken to the streets every night since Saturday, August 9, to protest unfair treatment by police. At least four different police departments have been involved. Two of these departments are now pulling out, and the state’s governor, Jay Nixon, has said the police will deescalate the level of force. They need to: according to one expert on how to police protests, this isn’t just shockingly unjust, it’s also utterly incompetent police work.

    Jason Fritz, an Iraq war veteran who’s now an analyst focusing on policing in conflict zones, was appalled by what he saw in Ferguson, where the shooting of an unarmed black teen, Michael Brown, has sparked days of protests. “They are taking steps that are going to do nothing but exacerbate the situation,” Fritz told me over the phone. “It’s not any kind of policing tactic, technique, or strategy that I’m aware of. It goes against against all of the police manuals that I’ve studied.”

    In our conversation, Fritz explained why no police force that’s really concerned with protecting the population and preserving the rule of law would ever do what the police in the St. Louis suburb have done.

  31. 94 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 7:17 pm

    Great Job LP. The tweets say it all. Thanks.

  32. August 14, 2014 at 7:17 pm

  33. August 14, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    What a difference a day (or a few hours) make.

    Apologies to Dotster, who was right — I was too quick to hurl accusations at @GovJayNixon.

    You’d think that after witnessing the Zen Master, PBO, I would have learned.

    But the actions the “police” were allowed to take for the past 96 hours look like anarchy to me.

    Not to speak too soon, another feather in the cap for President Obama, another story that the MSM can no longer run with. Wonder how @chrislhayes is fancying St. Louis today.

    Hope the President had a good game of golf on this fine summer’s day.

    • 97 susanne
      August 14, 2014 at 7:29 pm

      i agree– you can see his hand in this, if you know his style (as we do at tod). whether the press recognizes and attributes the change in style here to the president is another matter.

  34. August 14, 2014 at 7:22 pm

    • 99 desertflower
      August 14, 2014 at 7:27 pm

      I think that it was on LOD the other night that he said that the ACLU has filed a FOIA request for the name of the officer that shot Michael Brown. This will be known soon enough. I only mention this now because it disturbed me very much the blackmail tactics that were being used to access his name and personal info….NOT IN AMERICA! That was as bad as all the other BS that was going down…we have laws and process for a reason!

      • August 14, 2014 at 7:31 pm

        Right onnnnnn!! DF
        we have laws and process for a reason!..
        but they only work, when you have some one like AG Holder at the helm…and ever then…you have to organize and pray…If I was the head of the NAACP in MO…I would be talking about a massive voter registration campaign

        • 101 Vicki
          August 14, 2014 at 7:41 pm

          Yes, exactly right about the voter registration drive. This horror will be a motivating monster for GOTV. Hope it’s not too late. NY registration closes tomorrow, or soon thereafter.

        • 102 desertflower
          August 14, 2014 at 7:42 pm

          If I was the head of the NAACP in MO…I would be talking about a massive voter registration campaign


  35. 104 kasai
    August 14, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    to the black folks talking smack..without lifting a finger….They need to learn from the “Community Organizer In Chief”
    They still looking for a baby sitter….SMDH! He has the whole world on his shoulder…sick of all them.

  36. 106 Vicki
    August 14, 2014 at 7:32 pm

    It is wonderful to see peace restored to Ferguson, MO. Other PD’s please take note: PBO is watching.

    • 107 hopefruit2
      August 14, 2014 at 7:36 pm

      Chris Hayes must be disappointed. He went up there to see more drama/tear gas/chaos and make a name for himself. Well, he’ll just have to make the best of it and pretend he’s still interested in the situation.

      • 108 Vicki
        August 14, 2014 at 7:38 pm

        Do you really think CH is that shallow? I have no opinion. Just asking.

        • 109 Nena20409
          August 14, 2014 at 7:49 pm

          Knowing his background…..and his need to bring other voices to the table…..No….he is not that shallow. However, his shallowness comes in for trying too hard and wanting to be “Intellectual”…..Idealism for a wannabe is harder on one trying so hard. His demeanor doesn’t command confidence nor does it ensure earnestness.

          If he can Only learn to be Loose and perhaps, he may just find that something that is missing.

        • 110 hopefruit2
          August 14, 2014 at 7:51 pm

          Yes I think so. I believe that while he is intelligent and has some curiosity of the world around him, his arrogance often gets the better of him. He has limited life exposure and really knows very little about what it means to be a minority or person from lower SES, yet he often tries to form opinions and analyses on matters related to these factors based on his academic knowledge of how things might work in theory.

          Even though Rachel irritates me to high heaven at times, she’s not as shallow as Hayes, and I think part of that comes from her experiences as being a woman and a Lesbian – even though she too has lived a life of economic and racial privilege. Also, she’s a good few years older than Hayes, which I think accounts for her maturity relative to him.

          • 111 @pierretteY
            August 14, 2014 at 8:01 pm

            Wow Hope, i wish i had the talent of studying someone as good as you, your assessment of the two of them sound very correct to me.

          • 112 Vicki
            August 14, 2014 at 8:30 pm

            Nena and hopefruit. I agree with what you both are saying. All I can add is that Chris has mentioned his working class Bronx roots a few times. Now he is part of the privileged class. That must be a bit jarring and confusing.

            My prediction for Mr. Hayes is that as he matures he will get better and better at bridging the complexities of class. And he will leave behind the asinine Snowflake/GG crap. I have some faith in him is what I am saying.

            • 113 hopefruit2
              August 14, 2014 at 8:47 pm

              Like I said, he is intelligent and the arrogance can be replaced with maturity over time and withmore exposure. But — it’s difficult for a white intelligent male in this society to gain “grounding” at age 35+ if they haven’t been grounded already. But let’s hope…

              Also, Hayes roots are middle class not working class as he claims. Bronx is not all poverty – there are some VERY affluent areas. North and West Riverdale for example is one of the most affluent neighborhoods in the entire NYC. So are Pehlam, Spuyten Dyvil and some parts of Woodlawn.

  37. 115 kasai
    August 14, 2014 at 7:32 pm

    ((((TOD)))…..what would we do without ya!
    as we say> Warriors to the bone..

    Love you all! That’s all.

  38. 116 hopefruit2
    August 14, 2014 at 7:40 pm

  39. 117 kasai
    August 14, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    This turnaround didn’t happen by accident….just saying:-)

    • 118 nospin
      August 14, 2014 at 8:31 pm

      I agree with you kasai. I must say that I am a bit disturbed that it took a black POTUS, a black AG and a black police chief to make things right using one basic method. Respect for the citizens. Where the heck was the basic sense of humanity?

      All those folks in MO and even the governor could not handle this in 4 days and without intervention and the shaming of folks hitting up the elected officials on twitter, it could have gone on for gosh knows how long.

      My hope is that there there is an evaluation and an overhaul of the entire structure for the police department and for all involved to make sure this never happens again.

  40. 119 desertflower
    August 14, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    Why wasn’t this man in charge all along? It didn’t have to be so awful…


    Washington Post reporter Wesley Lowery was at the protest and documented Johnson’s interactions with community members:

    Cpt. Johnson of Highway Patrol hugging residents as they pass during march. “I grew up here!” he notes. #ferguson
    — Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

    Cpt. Johnson WALKED in the march. “We’re all in this together…we’re not in this for fear, to intimidate.” pic.twitter.com/cAaCViwBB1
    — Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

    “When I see a young lady cry because of fear of this uniform, that’s a problem. We need to solve that” – Cpt. Johnson #ferguson
    — Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

    So we won’t see large police presence tonight? *Cpt. Johnson looks around* https://t.co/6cXxWgnLL5
    — Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

    Johnson says they are going to provide media staging areas. This is night and day from every other night this week. Night and day #ferguson
    — Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

    “I’ve assigned all police assigned to this detail to take their gas masks off,” – Cpt. Johnson #ferguson
    — Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

    “I’m not afraid to be in this crowd today, that’s why I walk up front (in the march)” – Cpt. Johnson “hopefully they’ll be some healing”
    — Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

    Johnson: will not tolerating looting, also won’t tolerate “citizens not having ability to speak their minds, having…rights violated”

    So much more at the link

  41. 122 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 7:54 pm

  42. 123 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 7:56 pm

  43. 124 isonprize
    August 14, 2014 at 7:57 pm


    I have gotten more news from this and a few other sites than I EVER have on cable or broadcast TV.


  44. August 14, 2014 at 8:02 pm

  45. 130 hopefruit2
    August 14, 2014 at 8:07 pm

  46. 133 desertflower
    August 14, 2014 at 8:08 pm


  47. 135 forus50
    August 14, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    OMG Thank you Mr. President. That useless Missouri governor sat and watched police brutally attack a town last night instead of doing the right thing way back on Sunday. There is still SO MUCH wrong; a murdered young boy, the police protecting the murderer and on and on but this picture is a surreal wonderful change from the last few nights.

  48. 138 hopefruit2
    August 14, 2014 at 8:13 pm

  49. 139 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 8:15 pm

    The More I see these Pictures of Our fellow citizens above, my heart is filled with ❤ ❤ ❤ and tears of joy are just streaming down my cheeks. The song HAPPY is playing in my Head….. 😉

    Thanks for posting them all you wonderful TODable Folks 😉

  50. 140 JER
    August 14, 2014 at 8:16 pm

    LIVE NOW: Protesters in New York City in support of Michael Brown. http://www.cbsnews.com/liveFeed/widget.shtml

  51. 141 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 8:17 pm

  52. August 14, 2014 at 8:17 pm

  53. 144 hopefruit2
    August 14, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    WOW…I’m seeing rallies in a lot of different cities/states…Seattle WA, Philly PA, Boston MA, Durham NC, NYC, Denver CO, Lansing MI, Kansas City MO, and the list goes on and on.

    This is tremendously moving.

  54. 149 JER
    August 14, 2014 at 8:20 pm

  55. 150 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 8:21 pm

  56. 151 JER
    August 14, 2014 at 8:22 pm

  57. 152 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 8:23 pm

  58. 153 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 8:25 pm

  59. 154 hopefruit2
    August 14, 2014 at 8:26 pm

    More cities with rallies – Baltimore, MD, Washington DC, Chicago IL, Huntsville AL, Knoxville TN, and the list goes on. 🙂

    • 155 donna dem 4 obama
      August 14, 2014 at 8:29 pm

      I had jury duty today when my son’s texted me about the march in DC. They said the turnout was tremendous. I so wish I could have gone.

  60. 156 Nena20409
    August 14, 2014 at 8:27 pm

  61. August 14, 2014 at 8:28 pm

    These images of solidarity from around the country are simply stunning and they fill my heart with emotion…..

    YESSSS We Still Can!

    • 159 donna dem 4 obama
      August 14, 2014 at 8:31 pm

      I’m in tears reading about #NMOS14

    • August 14, 2014 at 8:36 pm

      Home and a chance to read through this thread. Tears streaming down my face. Oh, President Obama. You are one amazing human being. Thank you, Jesus, for this man who is willing to give up so much for this country—and the world. I am overwhelmed.

      Saw the answers on the last thread. Thanks, friends.

      I’m watching CH. I think he’s doing a fairly good job–so far. Has anyone ever heard of this reporter, Terrell ???. Can’t remember his last name. I was super impressed with him last night and even more tonight. He always finds a way to bring in PO and AGHolder….praise them, thank them. Super, super impressed with him.

  62. August 14, 2014 at 8:31 pm

  63. 163 carolyn
    August 14, 2014 at 8:35 pm

    What a difference a day makes…..or I should say the right person directing events. A total turnaround, for which I am so thankful. Like many of you I had difficulty sleeping last night, which is not a biggie in the greater scheme of things, but this was so disturbing to see in my country , and it was so wrong. I’m praying that this horror which twitter and personal phone cameras spread throughout the world will be a turning point for the country. People have seen what militarized police do, and they are responding in wonderful ways. This is not the way America should be.

    These Ferguson events were juxtaposed with images from Iraq, seeing the military helping, not threatening people, and then pictures from Ukraine with the Russians’ military threat. All of these together present a powerful image, stronger than words. Traditional media hasn’t yet caught on to the power of social media, and this police department had no idea that they could not keep secrets any more.

  64. 164 hopefruit2
    August 14, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    Yup so notice the focus now — it’s all about Chris and his getting “awards.” I kinda predicted such…

    Keep in mind that he had no role in organizing and executing any of the numerous rallies we see going on all over the country. He had no role in removal of the St LOuis PD and installation of the MO Highway Patrol. All he did was show up at an opportune time and interviewed people who were already calmed by earlier events of the day.

    Color me unimpressed…

  65. August 14, 2014 at 8:43 pm

  66. 166 Vicki
    August 14, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    If anyone is watching Chris Hayes he has just chatted with the NAACP chairman and a Councilwoman. Voting and low turnout in previous elections were discussed. Both interviewees were hopeful for November. Encouraging.

  67. August 14, 2014 at 8:50 pm

  68. 169 GGAIL
    August 14, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    Jeff, you’ve said goodbye once before – yet you returned. This time – make it permanent

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