Early Bird Chat

On This Day: First Lady Michelle Obama hugs LeBron James following the USA vs. France men’s basketball game at Olympic Park during the 2012 Olympic Games in London, England, July 29, 2012 (Photo by Sonya N. Hebert)

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MoooOOOooorning – Happy Tuesday!

110 Responses to “Early Bird Chat”

  1. 1 Paulita
    July 29, 2014 at 7:25 am

    Hey now! 😎

  2. July 29, 2014 at 7:27 am

    GM and Congrats on First…..

  3. 6 LDS
    July 29, 2014 at 7:27 am

    Good morning!

  4. 9 Paulita
    July 29, 2014 at 7:29 am

    Couldn’t resist, saw an opening and what do you know? Morning Chips and Tod Peeps. Faithful lurker, sometime commenter, but always thankful for the posters and other commenters here.

    • July 29, 2014 at 8:01 am

      So glad that you seized the moment…..
      I forgot to add my comment to the pic up above.
      Now that is how you hug! Nothing but mutual respect and admiration.
      My philosophy is: “If you are going to hug do it and mean it!”

      Love that pic, Ms. Chips.
      Good morning and thank you.

        • July 29, 2014 at 8:32 am

          Hello, my friend.
          So good to know that you are on your post brining us the bestest hug pic ever this morning.
          We all need a hug today and days to come.
          I think I will hug myself just because I can.
          For some strange reason I could hardly wait for the sun to rise this morning to see what the day has planned.
          I pray this for everyone here and those whose hope is faint and dim……Hold on!
          “Weeping may endure for the night but joy comes in the morning.” Just hold on!

  5. July 29, 2014 at 7:30 am

    The Carnage continues this morning…the Israeli government won’t stop till they have killed every man woman and child in gaza……..even a UN safe house is no refuge….

    • 14 arapaho415
      July 29, 2014 at 7:40 am

      LL was right (as always) in yesterday’s post.

      Israel vs. Palestine conflict has been happening since Israel was inaugurated as a state in 1948.

      But this time it feels different because Israel is showing disregard for the “rules” of war, slaughtering and destroying civilian lives and their property over much less than “WMDs in Iraq,” and apparently timed to coincide with the deadline for US/Iran nuclear discussions.

      Netanyahu and Putin are dangerous megalomaniacs with vocal supporters in the US (neocons and GG’s white dudebro’s brigade).

      @DaveWeigel’s tweet that young people are overwhelming against Israel should be reported by the US media. Who is on the wrong side of history, again?

      • July 29, 2014 at 7:52 am

        Just as our government used the issue of terror and fear to pass the Patriot Act …invade Iraq use torture and a host of other things…the Israeli Gov uses Hamas as a reason to seize land…and occupy a people for over 50 yrs….setting up Apartheid /Jim Crow like living conditions….there can never be Peace under these conditions…so Israeli Government has decided to dispense with negotiations for peace by just bombing the Palestinian People out of existence….

      • 16 jackiegrumbacher
        July 29, 2014 at 7:54 am

        Arapaho, it’s stunning that Israel doesn’t realize the price it will pay for this carnage. Netanyahu seems bent on an insane rampage and feels certain he can thumb his nose at both the world in general and his allies in particular. Every day he moves farther and farther away from the norms of a civilized world and neither he nor his country is powerful enough to survive what he’s set in motion. Putin is playing a similar game, but he has more cards at his disposal and a lot more clout. Netanyahu has a Putin like mind, but he doesn’t have that madman’s resources.

        • 17 hopefruit2
          July 29, 2014 at 8:38 am

          Netanyahu and Putin serve as international Republicans and Libertarians. They are basically taking their cues from certain factions in the US, who do resent their current President/administration and were unable to obstruct PBO domestically despite enormous efforts to do so. Therefore, they are trying to impede his FP successes.

          And I see the egging on both sides – the Libertarian “left” who hypocritically claim to be on the side of GAZA (Greenwald, KatrinaNation et al), but who make every excuse for anti-humanitarian Putin, and the corporate RW right who are bought and sold by Koch/APPAC, etc, and who want to see the US in a perpetual war.

          Neither of these groups want peace in the middle east. Both groups have manufactured propaganda for their respective “causes.” A lot of what is going on in the international stage is being used by US Media and monied interests to erode support for PBO both domestically and internationally. Both groups WANT to see PBO fail at FP and are upset that there will not be the GOP wave in November midterms that they were so desperately hoping for.

          • 18 jackiegrumbacher
            July 29, 2014 at 8:43 am

            HF, the problem for the instigators is that when forces like these are unleashed, they can’t be controlled. ALL American interests are threatened when anti-Americanism is ignited and that includes the Republican business interests. I have no doubt that Netanyahu is a Republican tool, but he and they are playing a dangerous game. The Republicans funded and instigated the tea party and look how that turned out for them.

            • 19 hopefruit2
              July 29, 2014 at 8:46 am

              I completely agree with your analysis JG – and what is happening on the international stage will no doubt backfire in pretty much the same way it has on the domestic stage. The only difference is the amount of unnecessary human carnage & suffering that resulted in the process.

      • 21 Gazelle
        July 29, 2014 at 9:35 am

        I can’t help but feel that if Bush/Cheney hadn’t changed the premise/rules for war/invasion, this would not be so blatantly happening. Those effing invasions changed the geopolitical theater. Any country could invade another. That administration lost whatever moral ground the US had left. It has been a herculean effort by POB to try and reverse this on a global scale. Imagine what he could have achieved the last few years if those effers weren’t hell bent on their color bar quest!

  6. July 29, 2014 at 7:38 am

  7. July 29, 2014 at 7:43 am

    Till every man woman and child are dead….

    Sanctions must be brought to bear…

    • 27 jackiegrumbacher
      July 29, 2014 at 7:56 am

      Pf, this is Netanyahu trying to act like Mr. Bigshot and stand against the world. I hope he gets a very big push that destroys him.

    • 28 Jeff
      July 29, 2014 at 9:07 am

      Netanyahu is no different than Hitler. Hamas was right.

      Who are the real terrorists? It looks like Israel to me.

        July 29, 2014 at 3:54 pm


  8. July 29, 2014 at 7:55 am

    Prettyfoot58, I have been sleep less and less so I wake up and be still, meditate and pray.
    If you will allow me to share with you Scripture that allows me to go back to bed and rest in peace is:
    Romans 8:28 “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose.”
    My HOPE is built on nothing else but LOVE.
    Our history is God’s future. He knows what this will lead to if only to awaken the young generation in Israel how they have been ignorant to the powers that he just like we have been here in the U.S. by so many arrogant, prideful politicians on the Right, Left and Inbetween.
    Our ears, eyes and heart been closed to a lot of things due to fear and propaganda.
    But 2008 was our movement of change. I hope and pray this is theirs.
    It is going to take the women and young people all over the world to step up and opposed the senseless killings. Whether it be here with gun control here in the cities of the U.S.A. or bombs being pounded on the Gaza Strip, it is our sons and daughters that we give birth to whose blood that is being shed for what? Absolutely Nothing!

    • 31 jackiegrumbacher
      July 29, 2014 at 7:58 am

      LDS, Israel is putting itself in a world of hurt and you’re right, that it is likely the women and the younger people who will try to save it. I fear it may be too late for both the Palestinians and the Israelis.

      • July 29, 2014 at 8:18 am

        Jackie, I am just crazy enough to believe that the youth both Palestinians and Israelis will bring about the change THEY have been waiting for. My friend visited Israel a couple of years ago and she felt like she was down south in the 1950’s. The segregation of Gentiles and Israelis in the hotel she stayed in was totally insane. So much they ate in an area divided by a partition. She never wanted go go back.
        How can you serve God and not love your neighbor?
        It is not anti-Semitic to speak out on injustices That goes for bigotry, racism, sexism, classism and any other kind of -ism.
        Hate is hate,
        We must learn to respect and appreciate that we are different than each other and not better.
        I am so glad that we have a President who we know believes and practices what he believes.

        • 33 jackiegrumbacher
          July 29, 2014 at 8:35 am

          LDS, thank you for this perspective. I didn’t realize it was so ugly and segregated in Israel. That is obscene and intolerable. I don’t know what it’s going to take to bring Israel into the civilized world, but something has to happen. I fear we are seeing something truly world changing happen right now and it’s very frightening.

          • July 29, 2014 at 9:07 am

            Jackie, that is what bothers me that no one has had the nerve to speak out against the apartheid that goes on there. Including the Bloomberg’s and the rich money in Hollywood. It is time to tell the real story. While even in Williamsburg, Brooklyn the Orthodox Jews do not want what they consider “improperly dressed women” walking the streets in “their neighborhoods”. I do not have a problem if you chose to live separate and apart from everyone else, but at least do it in love. My money is good to spend in your country, town village. But my presence offends you? Sound likes another Jim Crow experience to me.
            Is there anyone who is brave enough to speak up and be honest?

            Jesus spoke up in his days and called the Sadducees and the Pharisees hypocrites and vipers.
            Maybe the Jews for Jesus need to speak out and be heard concerning the innocent killings of women and children.
            This is not right! Enough is Enough!

    • 35 Paulita
      July 29, 2014 at 8:02 am

      LDS, I take comfort in this Beatitude, “Blessed are they which hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they SHALL be filled”

  9. 37 JER
    July 29, 2014 at 7:57 am

    Good Morning Chips and TOD.

    • 39 arapaho415
      July 29, 2014 at 8:04 am

      Just heard on the radio that a 6-year-old in Gaza is now experiencing his/her third war in his/her lifetime.

    • 40 Vicki
      July 29, 2014 at 9:27 am

      Important point, JER.
      Only power plant!
      This, in addition to electric off in most of Gaza.

      In the last annihilation action against Gaza, in 2012, Israel bombed the Only Bread factory.

      To LDS and jackieg about the segregation in Israel. it is much worse than has been reported. There are separate and highly guarded roads for jews and gov’t officials to use. If you call this “apartheid” which it is, in Israel they say you are wrong because gov’t officials, both jews and arabs can use the special roads.

  10. July 29, 2014 at 8:07 am

    Good morning TOD. I am so thankful that the day always starts with a picture of PBO or FLOTUS doing what they do best. Do some people need warjust to satisfy some basic urge. I always ask why? Putin, Netanyahu, Mugabe and other war mongerers what is the end result for them? Why don’t they even care? Thanks LDS for your prayer and LL for brilliant analysis. Just keep hoping for an end soon.

  11. 42 JER
    July 29, 2014 at 8:10 am

  12. 48 JER
    July 29, 2014 at 8:11 am

  13. 49 jackiegrumbacher
    July 29, 2014 at 8:12 am

    This article shows how Israel is putting US security at risk even among our allies in the ME. Anti-American radicalism is flourishing and threatening American civilians and US troops for our continued support of Israel in this senseless war. It’s bad enough what Netanyahu is doing to his own country and to Palestinians, he’s also trying to cause major damage to the US. Tell me again why we support Israel, supply it with arms and risk everything for this man’s insane ambitions?


  14. 50 JER
    July 29, 2014 at 8:12 am

  15. 51 arapaho415
    July 29, 2014 at 8:13 am

    Where are the pitchforks and torches when you need them?

    This from the greedy fraudsters who escaped prison time for tanking the US economy in 2008. But the US is quick to send non-white drug “offenders” to jail in a heartbeat.

  16. July 29, 2014 at 8:15 am

    G’morning Chips & TOD!

  17. July 29, 2014 at 8:23 am

    Good Morning, Everyone 🙂

  18. July 29, 2014 at 8:24 am

    Watch: Daddy-daughter dance off goes viral

    by Lilly Workneh | July 28, 2014 at 3:21 PM


  19. 60 hopefruit2
    July 29, 2014 at 8:26 am

    • 61 jackiegrumbacher
      July 29, 2014 at 8:38 am

      Oh Lord, HF, the world will be coming to an end and Knoller will be counting the pebbles in the rubbish. It’s unreal.

      • July 29, 2014 at 8:59 am

        I have an idea, let’s task Count von Knoller with counting the number of blades of grass on the White House lawn. That should to keep him occupied for some time.

        • July 29, 2014 at 9:13 am

          Ladyhawke, he is too damn close to the WH as it is.
          I am afraid he just might cause the beautiful lawn to dry up in spots. Poor Bo and Sunny may never want to go out there again.
          Let’s leave him in that stupid chair with that stupid look perpetrating a journalist while we and everyone else ignores him.
          I still cannot believes he gets a paycheck.

    • 64 anniebella
      July 29, 2014 at 9:47 am

      There Knoller go again,

  20. 65 hopefruit2
    July 29, 2014 at 8:54 am


    • 66 99ts
      July 29, 2014 at 9:38 am

      Good read – as are the comments. I think President Obama should run against Romney and Sec Clinton in 2016 – best thing that could happen in the USA. 🙂

    • 68 jackiegrumbacher
      July 29, 2014 at 10:20 am

      I read Spandan’s analysis early this am. He can always be counted on to cut through the crap because he knows statistics and can’t be flimflammed. This so-called poll is such a blatant sham–designed to get clicks and eyes, but signifying nothing.

      • 69 hopefruit2
        July 29, 2014 at 10:28 am

        It’s more than just getting clicks and eyes – it’s an attempt at brainwashing and diminishing PBO in particular and congressional Dems who dare to support him, among gullible or inattentive voters.

        I think that’s why Spandan made the effort to go into so much detail addressing the shady methodology behind the sampling – to get people to understand the “science” of antiObama brainwashing disguised as “polls” that has been going on ever since he took office but which seems to spike right before key election.

  21. July 29, 2014 at 8:56 am

    Now, in case you haven’t figured it out, these builders didn’t allow Section 8 into their buildings out of the goodness of their hearts.

    THEY GOT A BIG TAX BREAK in exchange for allowing the Section 8.

    I guess the tax break must be about up, so they want to get rid of the Section 8 folks.

    Hence, this clown.

    Notice, no mention of the tax breaks for the builders.


    Congressman wants to end CHA “supervouchers”

    CHICAGO (AP) — Illinois Congressman Aaron Schock is seeking an end to a Chicago Housing Authority program that puts some of the city’s poorest residents into its highest priced apartments.

    Schock says CHA “supervouchers” allows a select few families to receive $3,000 to $4,000 a month in rent assistance that puts them in “some of the nicest luxury units.”

    Schock says the agency awards vouchers up to 300 percent of market value. The Peoria Republican wants to bring that down to 120 percent.

    Tony Rossi of Chicago-based RMK Management Corp. told Crain’s Chicago Business (http://bit.ly/UFQqn5 ) that he and other landlords believe the vouchers are a mistake because there are about 15,000 people on the CHA’s voucher waiting list.

    The CHA says the program is less than two percent of its voucher portfolio.


  22. 72 GGAIL
    July 29, 2014 at 9:01 am

    Good.West Coast morning Chipsticks & TOD family.

    How can anyone talk about hate (Putin & Bibi) when there’s a picture of love & respect posted above.

    I choose to start my morning with LOVE ❤

    • July 29, 2014 at 9:50 am

      Love is a good thang…but so is Justice….HOPE….

      i posted a tweet downstream ..from jon fav…regarding hope and progress in America…

      but actually it is about struggle….the progress that is made in America has only come thru the struggle of people …it has not been granted…or bestowed

  23. 74 JER
    July 29, 2014 at 9:02 am

    Press Secretary, and Kansas City native, Josh Earnest places calls to hardworking Americans in Kansas City who wrote to the President and invites them to dinner with President Obama during his trip to America’s heartland.

    • 75 nospin
      July 29, 2014 at 9:21 am

      I could feel the energy and his excitement from placing those calls. I love that POTUS always sets aside time to talk to citizens.

  24. July 29, 2014 at 9:17 am

    Maybe O/T, but interesting info on how Cleveland landed the GOP convention. Daddy Haslam “went to work as soon as he got the call.”…….He agreed to co-chair the committee raising the $60million the city will need to host the convention and the Haslam family pledged $1million to the effort……..he traveled to Cleveland to help the city make its sales pitch………..”And quite frankly, and I think they knew it, the road to the presidency leads through Ohio.”


    This is the headline in our morning paper. Gag me……..And Gov. Haslam keeps refusing to do the Medicaid expansion……thousands will suffer and die…….hospitals will close………hurt employment, but do they care??? NO!!!!! H— NO!!!!!!!!!

  25. 77 hopefruit2
    July 29, 2014 at 9:18 am

    Here is an example of how people are duped and brainwashed by the polling media. This supposedly is a pro-Clinton poll but it’s really a Republican-sponsored propaganda piece, designed to turn people away from President Obama’s policies and agenda. HRC is actually a weak candidate (despite media reporting) and she will not do nearly as well in 2016, or if she does, she’ll be as good as any GOPer. The people who tweeted this poll are assuming that this poll indicates that HRC will trounce the GOP in 2016 – no it’s not saying any of that.

    The poll claims that 42% of people most admire Bill Clinton compared to 18% Barack Obama.

    Yes…just think about that for a moment….how ridiculous it is on the surface and on a deeper level…

    • 78 nospin
      July 29, 2014 at 9:20 am


      • 79 derbingleguy
        July 29, 2014 at 10:02 am

        If she runs and wins she gets my vote. Unless Dwight Eisenhower is running any and I mean any democrat is better than any Republican.

        • 80 nospin
          July 29, 2014 at 10:14 am

          no way in hell I would vote for Hillary. Lucky for me, that won’t be on the table.

          • 81 derbingleguy
            July 29, 2014 at 10:19 am

            How do you mean that won’t be on the table?

            • 82 nospin
              July 29, 2014 at 10:25 am

              We have too many other qualified candidates to choose from. HRC has exceeded her shelf life and should go away quietly.

              • 83 derbingleguy
                July 29, 2014 at 10:36 am

                She should go away if she wants to. Other than that she has every right to run for office. If she wants to hang around and make as much noise as possible more power to her. If she runs and beats her competitors more power to her. Only the democratic base as a whole gets to determine her shelf life.

                • 84 nospin
                  July 29, 2014 at 11:04 am

                  well good luck with that.

                  I will never forgive Hillary Clinton for releasing the hounds to disrespect Barack Obama when she of all people should know better. She and her husband was the initiators who incited all this rabid hatred against the president and she has never after all these years apologized publicly for it. She is a war hawk, cannot handle her finances, is a compulsive liar and has no moral compass. Always hiding out on the tough issues and speaking out after the fact when she has weighed which direction politically she believes folks are leaning. Even after that, she gets it wrong most of the time. To this day, she still takes jabs at this president and his policies and sought ways through her contacts sought to undermine him. Thankfully, it does not work.

                  Hillary would be a terrible candidate and one I would if she succeeded, proudly vote against or not vote at all. Thankfully that will be a non issue as we have a good pipeline of qualified democratic candidates. Of which Joe Biden is my first choice.

      • 85 anniebella
        July 29, 2014 at 10:20 am

        What was the poll which had Obama the worst President in current history. Now Clinton is the most admired in the last 25 years. You know when I was up early this morning I was turning the tv and came across the re-boardcast of Monday Hardball and at the end of the show Chris Matthews were talking about POTUS. I know sometimes you wonder about Chris Matthews , but I listen to him and he told it like it is, he spoke the truth. He explain exactly why it is that 57% Republicans want to see Barack Obama thrown out of office. He goes on to say that while they use all kind of excuses, the bottom line is they never have accepted the fact that this black man is President of these United States. And you know I agree with Matthews 100% on that, because I have been saying that for along time.. That is the reason why all these B.S. polls are coming out. I bet soon you will see a poll that they will say is all Democrats and Obama approval numbers with them is terrible.

    • 86 derbingleguy
      July 29, 2014 at 10:04 am

      It’s part of the overall media scam. Divide and conquer Democrats. The media hates the Clintons but they hate PBO more.

  26. 90 hopefruit2
    July 29, 2014 at 9:26 am

    • 91 Vicki
      July 29, 2014 at 9:38 am

      Wait until America has to endure “Madame Secretary.” Which, from the clips I’ve seen show a combative know-it-all SOS putting the President in his place. She, of course, has all the answers.

      Propaganda, it’s not just a thing. On TV it is the only thing.

  27. 92 nospin
    July 29, 2014 at 9:38 am

    For all who are interested in sharing their thoughts on Gaza with Senator Reid, please post your input on his facebook page.

    • 93 99ts
      July 29, 2014 at 9:42 am

      Good comment on your link

      “NO! Let’s provide aid to Detroit or one of our other big cities where people are going without food and water”

      • 94 nospin
        July 29, 2014 at 10:14 am

        that one and many more. of the current 658 comments over 75% is against funding this genocide and are calling it what it is.
        Demanding that our tax payer money be used to build up our own country and not fund Bibi’s wars. Quite a few posts specifically mention the over 5 billion in aid already sent to Israel and are speaking out against this.

        My hope is someone gets back to Harry on what is on this page. Maybe he will listen.

  28. 95 desertflower
    July 29, 2014 at 9:44 am

    Morning:) Have to go to a BORING in service for work today…even though WORK hasn’t officially started! WTH.

    Anyway, did I see something yesterday about Darth Cheney’s energy company…( or at least tons of stock!) doing something in Israel??

    Then I find this? http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/07/28/israel-natural-gas/

    The cause of the current conflict within Israel has been long debated. Was it over tunnels from Gaza into Israel? Was it over the murder of three teenagers?

    With last years signing of drilling rights to the disputed Golan Heights region to Rupert Murdoch owned Genie Energy, Israel gave its first indication that it would ignore international pressure in the pursuit of fossil fuels. Then, when negotiations broke down over Gaza’s natural gas reserves, Israel began its limited military operations which quickly spiraled out of control.

  29. July 29, 2014 at 9:44 am

    Activists often resist this sort of thing as happy-talk; they fear it will breed complacency, or justify existing ills. I believe the evidence shows it does neither, that confidence breeds the courage necessary to move forward. But I also believe, utility aside, that optimism is analytically sound. Optimism is the most fundamental truth of American history.

    It was good for me to read this today!

  30. July 29, 2014 at 10:06 am

    Talking about Clinton every day incessantly is a distraction.
    It’s exactly what they want you to do.
    But it’s exceptable bc many here dislike Hillary and bill, almost more than GW and Cheney .
    But I guess I better shut my mouth or I’ll get yelled at again? Lol

    • 98 hopefruit2
      July 29, 2014 at 10:15 am

      1. Talking about something is not the same as being distracted by it. Please note that distinction.

      2. Furthermore, show me a poll that says that GWB and/or Cheney are running in 2016 and can “beat Obama”, and I will show you thousands and millions of comments about it on TOD and elsewhere….

  31. 102 hopefruit2
    July 29, 2014 at 10:12 am

  32. July 29, 2014 at 10:14 am

    • 104 derbingleguy
      July 29, 2014 at 10:22 am

      If they can bag a turtle then I’ll give Grimes and Clinton all kinds of credit.

    • 105 anniebella
      July 29, 2014 at 10:29 am

      I know Grimes is doing what she have to do to win, but if I were to be honest part of me is piss about this. You run away from this President like he is cautious. I guess he is cautious, cautious Black.

  33. 107 mtmarilyn
    July 29, 2014 at 10:14 am

    Good morning all of TODville, lurkers and all. This Gaza thing has me so upset and sad. With social media we are seeing the effects of all this destruction immediately. How can Israel really have an 80% in favor of this massacre. I am so thankful for PBO and SOS Kerry. We would be in WWIII if it was Romney or McCain.

    Thank you Chips, NW, LL and all bt’s for helping keep all of us sane.

  34. 108 hopefruit2
    July 29, 2014 at 10:17 am

    • 109 Nena20409
      July 29, 2014 at 12:08 pm

      And the national media will pretend nothing great was happening.

      I am looking forward to Friday, wishing for 5.9% UR, but realistically, it might just be at 6.0%

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