Rise and Shine

On This Day: President Obama hikes along the coastline in Acadia National Park, Maine, July 17, 2010 (Photo by Pete Souza)

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Today (All Times Eastern)

 11:20: President Obama departs the White House

12:15: Arrives Delaware

2:10: Delivers remarks on Infrastructure, Port of Wilmington, Wilmington

3:15: Departs Delaware

4:0: Arrives New York City

5:45: Attends a DNC fundraiser, private residence, New York City

7:30: Attends a fundraiser for House Democrats, private residence, New York City

9:15: Departs New York

10:30: Arrives White House

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Jelani Cobb: Talking Openly About Obama And Race

In September, 2009, just eight months into Barack Obama’s first term, when it was still possible for unsentimental observers to perceive the Tea Party’s riotous fulminations as a passing blip, Jimmy Carter remarked that opposition to the President’s agenda was driven, largely, by one thing: race. “I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he’s African-American,” Carter said. One hears it in the questioning of Obama’s American birth and legitimacy—the idea that he couldn’t really be President without trickery, that he has stolen something—and his presence in rooms where someone like him shouldn’t be.

Carter’s words are, if not conventional wisdom, then certainly one of those truths that most of us know but few are willing to admit. That reticence, along with a large dose of cynicism, explains the reaction to Eric Holder’s statement, in an interview with ABC News, that the opposition to the Administration (“You know, people talking about taking their country back”) is partly driven by racism. Holder’s assessment that “I don’t think this is the thing that is a main driver, but for some there’s a racial animus” is, on the whole, more tempered than Carter’s words, and far less incendiary than Charlie Rangel’s dismissal of the Tea Party, in 2013, as “the same crackers who fought against civil rights.”

More here

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Thank you Nath, for this perfect summation of America’s history

You know what, Kathleen, President Carter was spot on! For some of us with a little knowledge of history, the reaction to the election of President Obama was reminiscent of the reaction to the election of Black people to local, state and national offices, during the Reconstruction period after the Civil War. Whites made sure that Reconstruction State governments, with substantial Black participation, failed. Black elected officials were routinely accused of ignorance and corruption. Even though those accusations were false. Eventually whites resorted to violence to finally force Blacks from political office. But they were able to accomplish that with the complicity of the media, the Congress and the two political parties. Beginning with the 1877 “Hayes Compromise” the Republican party–the party of Abraham Lincoln– began abandoning Black people. By the beginning of the 20th Century Black folks, especially in the South, had no where to go politically. Lilly white Republicans shunned them and Dixiecrat Democrats were hostile against them. The migration of Blacks from the South to Northern cities during the World War I era began to change the racial demographics of many of those cities. Blacks in Northern cities slowly gained political clout. In 1928, South side Chicago elected the firs black to Congress from the North. In the 1950s Chicago would be joined by other Northern cities like Detroit and New York in electing Blacks to the House of Representatives. Still, two or three members of House of Representatives were never considered a threat to white supremacy.

The situation changed dramatically when Blacks were able to form coalitions to elect mayors to some of the biggest cities in America. White supremacist reaction to the election of Black Mayors in major cities during the late 1960s to 1980s was comparable to white supremacist reaction during Reconstruction, and white supremacist reaction following the election of President Obama. White supremacists on city councils made absolutely sure to obstruct everything the Black Mayors proposed to do. In some cities, major businesses relocated to suburbs or other states so as to deprive cities ruled by Black mayors of tax revenues. The goal: to make cities ruled by black mayors so dysfunctional, and thus to consequently discredit the wisdom of electing Black mayors. This is exactly the playbook the GOP in Congress decided to follow from day one of President Obama’s presidency. Thankfully, in his first two years, the GOP playbook was thwarted by Democrats who controlled both houses of Congress. Then came the 2010 and Republicans gained a majority in the House of Representatives, and enough votes to use the filibuster to paralyze the U.S. Senate.

Basically, the GOP’s goal is the same as the white supremacists’ goal, advocated by Rush Limbaugh: Make sure that President Obama fails! GOP and Rush could care less if President Obama’s failure translates into a failure that affects the vast majority of Americans. Other than their idiotic followers who stand to suffer if President Obama’s policies are defeated, people like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Rupert Murdoch and Fox, GOP members of Congress, and the billionaire Koch brothers, wouldn’t experience that much suffering and hardship. They are, however, certain that if President Obama fails, America will never again make a mistake of electing another Black person President.

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Emily Hauser: Incompetence Or Indifference?

As a peace advocate, I am forever confronted by Israeli and/or American Jews (and the occasional gentile) who take one look at any exchange of fire between Israel and Palestinian militants and say: “Yes, sure, all civilian deaths are terrible — but for Israelis, they’re unintentional. The Palestinians actually target civilians.” And as one of those civilians who used to be targeted on the streets of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, I have no problem saying that intentionally targeting civilians is wrong — is, in fact, a war crime…. But I weary of the desperate clinging to the word “unintentional” on my side of this decades-long war.

From the end of September 2000 through the end of September 2012, Israel was responsible for the deaths of 3,034 Palestinian noncombatants, of whom well more than a third were minors: 1,338. And that’s not counting the noncombatants and children (including several toddlers and at least one pregnant woman) killed in the last week alone. But when I look at those numbers, when I see the pictures of tiny, broken bodies pulled from utter destruction, when I see the wailing of fathers and mothers, their dead children wrapped in white shrouds, never to feel their parents’ arms around them again—I no longer care. Incompetence or indifference, neither can be an excuse anymore. And in the meantime, more children die.

More here

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Michael Grunwald: Lower Health Care Costs Brighten America’s Debt Outlook

Fiscal doom will be delayed thanks to lower health care inflation in recent years. But will Congress take notice? For years, America’s health care costs grew at an unsustainable rate. That was the main reason America’s long-term fiscal position looked unsustainable as well; Medicare, Medicaid, and other health programs were spiraling out of control. But our health care cost inflation is no longer unsustainable. That’s huge news, because it means our long-term deficits should be manageable, too.

Republicans have spent the last five-and-a-half years griping about the budget deficit, and most of their gripes have been absurd. They were wrong to accuse President Obama of creating a record trillion-dollar deficit, which he actually inherited from President Bush. They were wrong to criticize Obama for increasing the deficit with his 2009 stimulus bill, which was an amazingly effective Keynesian response to an economic crisis; the budget-balancing austerity approach the GOP was advocating led to much slower recoveries and double-dip recessions in Europe. And they were wrong to accuse Obama of turning the U.S. into Greece; the deficit has shrunk by more than half during his presidency, dropping from 10 percent of GDP to less than 4 percent as the recovery has progressed.

More here

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Edwin Lyngar: I was Poor, but A GOP Die-Hard: How I Finally Left The Politics Of Shame

I hated government – even as it was the only thing trying to save me. Here’s how, one day, I finally saw the light I was a 20-year-old college dropout with no more than $100 in the bank the day my son was born in 1994. I’d been in the Coast Guard just over six months. Joining the service was my solution to a lot of problems, not the least of which was being married to a pregnant, 19-year-old fellow dropout. We were poor, and my overwhelming response to poverty was a profound shame that drove me into the arms of the people least willing to help — conservatives. Looking around, I saw no other young servicemen. Coming from the white working class, I’d always been taught that food stamps were for the “others” — failures, drug addicts or immigrants, maybe — not for real Americans like me.

I felt my own poverty was a moral failure. To make up for my own failures, I voted to give rich people tax cuts, because somewhere deep inside, I knew they were better than me. They earned it. My support for conservative politics was atonement for the original sin of being white trash. I finally “got it.” In 2012, I shunned my self-destructive voting habits and supported Obama. The people who most support the Republicans and the Tea Party carry a secret burden. Many know that they are one medical emergency or broken down car away from ruin, and they blame the government. They vote against their own interests, often hurting themselves in concrete ways, in a vain attempt to deal with their own, misguided shame about being poor. They believe “freedom” is the answer, even though they live a form of wage indenture in a rigged system. I wish I could take the poorest, struggling conservatives and shake them. I would scream that their circumstances or failures or joblessness are not all their fault. They should wise up and vote themselves a break. Rich people vote their self-interest in every single election. Why don’t poor people?

More here

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Variety: Michelle Obama Calls For Focus On The Arts In Grammy Museum Speech

First Lady Michelle Obama appeared in Los Angeles before a crowd of music professionals, educators and students on Wednesday, as she called for greater recognition of the value of arts education. “We cannot be satisfied until every child in America has some exposure to the arts,” Obama said. Obama’s address was part of the Grammy Museum’s Jane Ortner Education Award Luncheon, named in honor of the late public school teacher Jane Ortner, who promoted music education.Obama said that some 6 million school children have no music or arts classes in their schools, a problem exacerbated by cuts in public education.

She said that for many young people, “the arts are a way to channel that pain and frustration into something meaningful and productive and beautiful.” “For many young people and arts education is the only reason they get out of bed in the morning,” she said, her voice often passionate as she delivered her remarks. She also called on arts organizations across the country to adopt programs that include activities for students, as the Grammy Museum does. The museum participates in an educational component of the White House’s concert series, which airs on PBS as “In Performance at the White House.”

More here

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Mark Thompson: Lawyer: Bergdahl ‘Deeply Grateful’ To Obama

No one’s heard anything yet from Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the former prisoner-of-war freed in a May 31 swap for five Taliban leaders after nearly five years as a Taliban prisoner. He hasn’t spoken to the press—by all accounts, he hasn’t even spoken to his parents. But, in typical American fashion, he has retained—and spoken to—an attorney. “Sergeant Bergdahl is deeply grateful to President Obama for having saved his life,” Eugene Fidell, retained a week ago by the soldier, told TIME on Wednesday.

Fidell has traveled to Texas—where Bergdahl has returned to active duty at a desk job in San Antonio following his “re-integration” back into the service—to discuss with his client the investigation into the circumstances leading up to Bergdahl’s abduction in 2009. The attorney declined to offer any insights into Bergdahl’s mood, legal defense, or relationship with his family. Bergdahl also has an Army lawyer.

More here

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Anne Barnard: Boys Drawn to Gaza Beach, And Into Center Of Mideast Strife

The four Bakr boys were young cousins, the children of Gaza fishermen who had ordered them to stay indoors — and especially away from the beach. But cooped up for nine days during Israeli bombardments, the children defied their parents and went out Wednesday afternoon, the eldest shooing away his little brother, telling him it was too dangerous. As they played on and around a jetty in the late-afternoon sun, a blast hit a nearby shack. One boy was killed instantly. The others ran. There was a second blast, and three more bodies littered the sand. One was charred, missing a leg, and another lay motionless, his curly head intact, his legs splayed at unnatural angles.

The Israeli military acknowledged later that it had launched the strike, which it said was aimed at Hamas militants, and called the civilian deaths “a tragic outcome.” The four dead boys came quickly to symbolize how the Israeli aerial assaults in Gaza are inevitably killing innocents in this crowded, impoverished sliver of land along the Mediterranean Sea. They stood out because they were inarguably blameless, children who simply wanted to play on their favorite beach, near the fishing port where their large extended family keeps its boats.

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L.A. Times: Federal Judge Rules California Death Penalty Is Unconstitutional

A federal judge in Orange County ruled Wednesday that California’s death penalty violates the U.S. Constitution’s ban on cruel and unusual punishment. U.S. District Judge Cormac J. Carney, ruled on a petition by death row inmate Ernest Dewayne Jones, who was sentenced to die nearly two decades ago. Carney said the state’s death penalty has created long delays and uncertainty for inmates, most of whom will never be executed. He noted that more than 900 people have been sentenced to death in California since 1978 but only 13 have been executed. “For the rest, the dysfunctional administration of California’s death penalty system has resulted, and will continue to result, in an inordinate and unpredictable period of delay preceding their actual execution,” Carney wrote.

Carney’s ruling can be appealed to the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Carney, an appointee of former President George W. Bush, said the delays have created a “system in which arbitrary factors, rather than legitimate ones like the nature of the crime or the date of the death sentence, determine whether an individual will actually be executed,” Carney said. A Los Angeles County Superior Court judge in 1995 sentenced Jones to death for the 1992 rape and killing of Julia Miller, his girlfriend’s mother. Jones killed Miller 10 months after being paroled for a previous rape.

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Reuters: U.S. Retail Sales, Manufacturing Data Point At Firming Economy

A gauge of U.S. consumer spending rose solidly in June, in the latest indication that the economy ended the second quarter on a stronger footing. That momentum appeared to have carried into the third quarter, with another report on Tuesday showing factory activity in New York state expanded sharply in July. “This is not a fragile economy,” said Chris Rupkey, chief financial economist at Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi UFJ in New York. “The consumer continues to play their part in moving the economy forward.”

Core sales, which strip out automobiles, gasoline, building materials and food services, increased 0.6 percent last month after rising an upwardly revised 0.2 percent in May, the Commerce Department said. Core sales, which correspond most closely with the consumer spending component of gross domestic product, were previously reported as being flat in May. Economists had expected them to rise 0.5 percent in June. The report added to signs of the economy’s strengthening fundamentals, which could buoy optimism the recovery is on a self-sustaining path, after output contracted sharply in the first quarter.

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First Lady Michelle Obama hugs six-time Grammy nominee singer Janelle Monae as they attend the Grammy Museum’s Jane Ortner Education Award luncheon honoring Monae and Southern California-based educator Sunshine Cavalluzzi July 16, 2014 in Los Angeles

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On This Day

President Barack Obama attends a bipartisan meeting of freshman House members in the Roosevelt Room of the White House on July 17, 2009 (Photo by Pete Souza)

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On a weekend trip to Acadia National Park in Maine, the President showed his daughters, Malia and Sasha, how to skip stones during a hike in the park.” July 17, 2010 (Photo by Pete Souza)

President Obama greets tourists and hikers in Acadia National Park, Maine, July 17, 2010 (Photo by Pete Souza)

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President Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama, and their daughters Sasha and Malia watch the World Cup soccer game between the U.S. and Japan, from the Treaty Room office in the residence of the White House, Sunday, July 17, 2011 (Photo by Pete Souza)

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115 Responses to “Rise and Shine”

  1. 1 amk for obama
    July 17, 2014 at 10:35 am


  2. July 17, 2014 at 10:43 am

    Great collection of articles and pictures, NW. I always feel so much better when I see President Obama. Wanted to share this article about the effect of Pres. Obama’s next round of Russian sanctions. He knows what he’s doing!

    “From the West’s perspective they could not have chosen a better time to intensify sanctions,” said Societe Generale strategist Regis Chatellier. “Until a few weeks back Russia was in a position of relative strength because there was massive pressure on oil but that is not the case any more.”

  3. 14 99ts
    July 17, 2014 at 10:49 am

    First from the world of lunatic PMs – and now it’s past bedtime – have a great day everyone – I’ll read all the good news tomorrow

  4. July 17, 2014 at 10:51 am

    Booman wrote an article speculating about the boys killed on the beach. I’ve found his thinking very sound on most of the political drama going on in the US and he is speculating. The whole situation is just sad to me. I’m not going to tweet it, but since you put articles about the boys in your post, I’ll add his thoughts. He’s referencing an article about it and is saying it could be done in error


    …Earlier in the article it was mentioned that all the victims were members of “the extended Bakr family.” Could this have been collective punishment for the transgressions of the patriarch? Did Israel know precisely who they were attacking?

    I think this is a stronger possibility than that their drone operators can’t distinguish boys playing on the beach from members of Hamas.

    And, if this is correct, then Israel actually wants the bad publicity because the whole point is to get families to insist that no one within their extended family have anything to do with Hamas lest the Israelis liquidate them all. The more people who hear of this tragedy the better because it will have more deterrent effect.

    It might not even be the worst strategy for killing the resistance, but it’s impossible to reconcile with any human rights standard I can think of….

    • 16 EricFive
      July 17, 2014 at 12:17 pm

      IMHO it is harmful for one’s soul to attempt to justify or explain away evil. I choose to call it as I see it, and there is no excuse or justification for Israel’s outsized response in these situations. Israel’s barbaric tactics and serial land stealing cannot be ignored. To do so would deprive the current situation of context. As I asked one of the “both sides are to blame” commenters yesterday, If the U.S. had responded to the terrorist attack in Benghazi that killed four Americans by indiscriminate bombing of Libya, targeting children (to send a message), bombing hospitals for the disabled and then decided to “annex” some of the Libyan oil fields, would he/she view the U.S. and Libya as being equally to blame? If not, why do you have a double standard when it comes to Israel. It is clear by both word and deeds that Israel’s leaders (and its citizens must shoulder blame for electing and reelecting these psychopaths) view their Palestinians and Arabs neighbors as subhuman. There seems to be some unspoken belief that one Israeli life is equal to 50 to 100 Palestinian or Arab lives. This to me is sick and is the product of a racist mindset. I understand that in our media Israel (just like the GOP) is never solely to blame, but I think one should not have to forfeit one’s humanity and sense of decency in attempting to justify Israel’s actions.

  5. 17 yardarm756
    July 17, 2014 at 10:56 am

    G’day you lot and congrats on furst amk….The ship is steady and on course. 🙂

  6. 22 yardarm756
    July 17, 2014 at 11:02 am

  7. 23 amk for obama
    July 17, 2014 at 11:05 am

  8. 24 desertflower
    July 17, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Good Thursday morning everyone! I woke late because I went back to sleep after the cat was wailing at my door for food this morning before the crack of dawn! It’s a good thing I love her or I would have wrung her neck. Maybe she could learn to sing outside my door like Barbra Streisand. That would be good.

    Anyway,I need to go read Early Bird and catch up….bbl

  9. 25 Linda
    July 17, 2014 at 11:20 am

    A New Jersey legislative committee investigating the George Washington Bridge lane closures plans to hear testimony Thursday from Regina Egea, Gov. Chris Christie’s (R) incoming chief of staff. Watch live below at 10 a.m. ET:

    This is not going well for Ms Egea.


    • 26 Linda
      July 17, 2014 at 11:31 am

      This woman is an idiot…..she cannot answer any of the questions….she did not even read the Mastro report . Her lawyer is also clueless.

  10. 27 donna dem 4 obama
    July 17, 2014 at 11:26 am

    For our cable watchers:

    Not that I’m a fan of DailyKos but I’m curious as to whether or not the cable shows cover that Netroots events like they do all those Republican conferences and CPAC events?

  11. 30 donna dem 4 obama
    July 17, 2014 at 11:33 am

      July 17, 2014 at 6:47 pm


  12. 32 donna dem 4 obama
    July 17, 2014 at 11:42 am


  13. 33 JER
    July 17, 2014 at 11:42 am

    LIVE NOW: CBS News Special Report on an airline crash in Ukraine. http://www.cbsnews.com/liveFeed/widget.shtml

  14. 34 dotster3
    July 17, 2014 at 11:42 am

    Oh no—-Malaysian Airlines has lost another plane.

  15. 35 amk for obama
    July 17, 2014 at 11:45 am

    jeez, not another one?

  16. 38 yardarm756
    July 17, 2014 at 11:46 am

    Truth? Hell yes.

  17. 40 Nerdy Wonka
    July 17, 2014 at 11:47 am

  18. 41 dotster3
    July 17, 2014 at 11:47 am

  19. 42 JER
    July 17, 2014 at 11:47 am

    • 43 0388jojothecat
      July 17, 2014 at 11:57 am

      I wonder if the GOP is creating some of these crisis whenever PBO is scheduled for vacation? There seems to be a pattern now.

  20. July 17, 2014 at 11:50 am


  21. 46 Nerdy Wonka
    July 17, 2014 at 11:51 am

  22. July 17, 2014 at 11:51 am

    Extraordinary Rise and Shine…NW…..it is Supercalifragilisticexpialadociousssssssssssssssss……….

  23. 49 Nerdy Wonka
    July 17, 2014 at 11:52 am

  24. July 17, 2014 at 11:53 am

  25. 51 JER
    July 17, 2014 at 11:55 am

  26. July 17, 2014 at 11:58 am

    Wait, what? Donbas separatists shot down a passenger airline? Holy fuck.

  27. July 17, 2014 at 12:02 pm

  28. 58 amk for obama
    July 17, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    Plane at 30,000 feet at a speed of 600 mph? I doubt the rebels have that kinda capability.

    • July 17, 2014 at 12:29 pm

      Those Russian SAM batteries that crossed into Ukraine during the past several days certainly have the capacity and the dudes riding in those vehicles have all the requisite expertise to use the systems.

  29. 60 Linda
    July 17, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    Mrs. Greenspan goes to McCrash to discuss the Mayalsia plane crash

  30. 64 Nerdy Wonka
    July 17, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    Malaysia’s Prime Minister.

  31. 65 Nerdy Wonka
    July 17, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    Thank you, liberal MSNBC.

    • 66 japa21
      July 17, 2014 at 12:51 pm

      Duh, I do believe the Ukrainians are armed. And exactly how, if the plane was shot down by separatists, would arming the Ukarinians have made a difference?

  32. 67 amk for obama
    July 17, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    • 68 EricFive
      July 17, 2014 at 12:27 pm

      MSNBC books McCain because they KNOW he will turn any story into an attack on PBO. They must feed that anti-PBO propaganda machine, direct orders from their corporate masters.

  33. 69 Linda
    July 17, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    Corporate Greed Exacerbates Drought: Nestle Believes Water Is Not a Basic Human Right

    from the comments : Rand Paul agrees with Nestles.

    “Do you have a right to water? Well, as humans, yeah, we do have an obligation to give people water, to give people food, to give people healthcare. But it’s not a right. Because once you conscript people and say, ‘oh, it’s a right,’ then, well, you’re in charge and it’s servitude. […] Even things that are very important are things you have to get from other individuals.”
    ~Rand Paul, Benjamin Rush Institute, University of Louisville, Aug. 22, 2013


    • 70 Linda
      July 17, 2014 at 12:15 pm

      Of course he does not believe in the Common Welfare of our country either….

    • 71 0388jojothecat
      July 17, 2014 at 12:21 pm

      If we as humans have an obligation to provide the basics – food, water, healthcare, I’d say it is by definition a human right…..this man is stupid I can’t believe anyone would take him seriously.

  34. 72 donna dem 4 obama
    July 17, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    Just a word of caution. My timeline is flying with all kinds of stories about this crash. We may want to wait until we get clarification from a Gov’t official as to how this happened before we come to any conclusion. It all seems to me to be speculation without facts at this point.

    • 73 amk for obama
      July 17, 2014 at 12:16 pm

      Yup. The media monkeys cannot be trusted.

    • 74 hopefruit2
      July 17, 2014 at 12:27 pm

      Indeed donna. I will wait until PBO issues a statement summarizing what he got from his briefings on the situation. At this point, it’s the only information I can truly trust.

  35. July 17, 2014 at 12:15 pm

  36. 83 Nerdy Wonka
    July 17, 2014 at 12:21 pm

  37. 84 Nerdy Wonka
    July 17, 2014 at 12:22 pm

  38. 85 yardarm756
    July 17, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    Obama’s fault. Watch and see!

    • 87 Linda
      July 17, 2014 at 12:41 pm

      Jeff Mason @jeffmason1

      Obama arrives in Delaware. Infrastructure speech here will be drowned put by reports of downed Malaysian plane.


      Does this fool think the media was planning on covering the speech ? Silly man….

  39. 88 desertflower
    July 17, 2014 at 12:28 pm

    Anne Applebaum @anneapplebaum
    Donetsk commander Strelkov, longtime Russian agent, claimed credit today for shooting plane he thought was Ukrainian twitter.com/StateOfUkraine…
    9 minutes ago

    Not good. Not good at all

  40. 91 hopefruit2
    July 17, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    And certain persons in the media as well, and not just on FOX News or CNN…

  41. 92 JER
    July 17, 2014 at 12:32 pm

  42. 93 desertflower
    July 17, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    I guess these separatists actually DO have the capacity for shooting down this plane..


    Donetsk defence forces take control of army unit equipped with missile defence systems

    DONETSK, June 29, /ITAR-TASS/. Self-defence forces of the Donetsk People’s Republic have taken control over a missile defence army unit equipped with Buk missile defence systems, the press service of the Donetsk People’s Republic told Itar-Tass on Sunday.
    So far, no details are available about the number and condition of the missile systems taken over by the self-defence forces. The press service refused to comment.
    The Buk missile defence system is a mobile medium-range surface-to-air missile (SAM) system designed to defend field troops and logistics installations against air threats in conditions of heavy electronic countermeasures and intense enemy fire.

    • July 17, 2014 at 12:35 pm

      They definitely have the capacity, df. That’s why I’ve been sending the tweets to Ambassador Rice, Ambassador Pyatt, SOS Kerry etc, some of which I’ve posted here – not that they don’t know what’s been brought into Ukraine by the Russians but that they realize lots of us know.

  43. July 17, 2014 at 12:33 pm

  44. 105 donna dem 4 obama
    July 17, 2014 at 12:43 pm

    EricFive you speak for me!

  45. July 17, 2014 at 12:43 pm

    A SAM is only capable of taking a plane out at 33k feet. That’s some big time military hardware for rebels?

  46. 110 Don
    July 17, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    All you goddamn Republicans that suck Putin’s cock at the sight of him taking off his shirt, the blood of all those innocent people on that plan is on your hands.

  47. July 17, 2014 at 12:49 pm

  48. 113 yardarm756
    July 17, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    I really am in awe of these media outlets access to “military experts”. Very few have been in combat but they opine various scenarios of missile firings and their points of origin. Of course it had to be a SAM(surface-to-air-missile) but no one has considered that a missile could have been fired from another aircraft…….hmmm?

  49. July 17, 2014 at 6:22 pm

    Thank you so much Nerdy Wonka for highlighting my comment on the front page. I was very surprised to see it there. Thanks also to everyone who recommended it. I am deeply honored.

  50. 115 Jennifer
    July 17, 2014 at 11:39 pm

    MORE than 100 AIDS activists, researchers and health workers bound for a major conference in Melbourne were on the Malaysia Airlines flight downed in the Ukraine.


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