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  1. 1 vcprezofan2
    November 22, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Hi & bye!

  2. November 22, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    First! (In the hearts of all men good and true.)

  3. 15 hopefruit2
    November 22, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    Congrats to Vc and LL for snagging the gold and silver! VC enjoy your potluck 🙂

  4. November 22, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Congrats VC! Have fun!

  5. 20 jackiegrumbacher
    November 22, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    HA! Started a conversation at the end of the last thread and have no idea how to bring it forward. It was addressed to you, LL. Just a few thoughts on your beautifully written essay. Admire anyone who has to technical skills to put things where they want them to be.

    • 21 carolyn
      November 22, 2013 at 5:28 pm

      I read what you said jg…..very good points…..if someone can bring it forward, we could probably have a good conversation about it on this thread. I do so love these conversations we have.

    • November 22, 2013 at 5:35 pm

      Here’s Jackie’s post from the previous thread:

      * * * * * * * * * * * *
      LL, I can’t look back on American history and think that “meanness” is new to our times. We brutally crushed native Americans and took away their land, their culture and their lives. We institutionalized slavery and half our population convinced themselves that some of their fellow human beings (created in God’s image) were inferior to themselves. We fought a Civil War that ruthlessly destroyed the lives of hundreds of thousands of young men so that one portion of our country could continue to enslave their fellow men. The KKK at its height had a huge membership and terrorized black families and Jewish Americans. Immigrants were spat upon and denied the dignity of jobs or basic respect. Crowds in Little Rock mocked and screamed at a small child who was just trying to go to school. Our entertainment was filled with stereotypical, cruel representations of African Americans, Jews, Poles, the Irish and women. Men regarded most women as sex objects and the half of our population that happened to be female was denied the right to fulfill their God given talents in any field. We were not in any way a kinder or gentler nation.

      What we did have in earlier times was a more “national” or common culture. People of all ages got together to hear the same stories in front of their fireplaces or listen to the same songs. We all tuned into the same radio programs, admired the same composers, watched the same early tv shows and heard the same news broadcasts (which were really once actually about news.) We fought big wars and had a common enemy–the Kaiser, then Hitler, Hirohito, then the Commies.

      Today, we have micro entertainment and individualized social communication channels so that each person can remain cocooned among those who share their fears, prejudices and rage. We talk to these small groups and incite emotions, spreading lies and promoting our darkest hatreds. There is no national corrective, no trusted broadcast voice, no common culture that all of us can share and understand. And no real external enemy, no Hitler that we can all commonly hate. The Republican Party has skillfully manipulated this divisive, insulated nature of our American culture and deliberately fed, inflamed and funded the most hateful and insane. That is the disgusting legacy that will always be associated with their name. When Barack Obama called on people to reclaim their citizenship, he was asking them to see the world in the way our political system (or any democracy) was intended, as an integrated entity in which we all have a critical role. His remarks were disregarded and laughed at by the GOP, but what he said was a profound call to restore the nation’s soul. Not the nation that we were or have become, but the nation we could be, the one we all need to strive for if we’re to survive the century. So yes, we are mean and always have been. It’s just that we have more ways to say it now and more plentiful microphones for the most hateful to be heard. That’s just my opinion, anyway, long-winded as it is.


      * * * * * * * * * * * *
      Here’s LL’s response:
      As I remark often, “Everyone is so brave on the Internet”. I purposely avoid most comments on websites, because I’d be sickened by the “conversation”. With the new media we have, we’re like little children who’ve discovered the salacious joy of saying naughty words. You’re right meanness has always existed, but now it’s been given a free rein in public discourse it never had before.


      • 23 jackiegrumbacher
        November 22, 2013 at 5:45 pm

        Thanks, Arapaho.

      • 24 hopefruit2
        November 22, 2013 at 6:06 pm

        WOW…Excellent insight Jackie, and I agree with your and LL’s take on the new media’s influence on people’s newfound “boldness” and permission to be mean…

        Thanks Arapaho for bringing this over.

      • November 22, 2013 at 6:16 pm

        Thank you Jackie for your insight. 😀

        • 26 LDS
          November 22, 2013 at 6:53 pm

          Thank you, Jackie. I left a response and still have not mastered how to bring it over……yet!
          Your response touched my heart too deeply. Having one of those “reflective days”.
          Needed to be alone and here with my chocolate.
          Thank you LL and Jackie for allowing me to go deep within my own soul.

      • 27 Obama Grandmama
        November 22, 2013 at 8:56 pm

        I understand the above point of view from Jackie as well as LL’s post. Whenever I personally think of drawing a conclusion I think of another example on the other side. Sometimes I feel like Charlie Brown having a hard time coming to a decision, sort of wishy washy. All the cell phones, FB, text messaging and tweets going on these days are unfortunate in some ways since many are not reacting with those around them like was mentioned. It takes getting to know others to accept them and knowing others different from yourself helps foster learning tolerance and compromise. On the other hand, if it were not for the technology of today I may not have found all of you and you all help with my frustrations when I feel the world is crazy for not accepting and applauding our wonderful President.

    • 29 donna dem 4 obama
      November 22, 2013 at 5:28 pm

      “And I don’t know of anyone who has had that same impact on a generation and inspired so many people as JFK has,” he added. Well on this I’ll have to disagree President Obama. I recall a skinny guy from Chicago with a funny last name inspiring a Nation in 2008 to make history.

      • November 22, 2013 at 5:30 pm

        I’m with you, Donna, I disagree with him too!

      • 31 hopefruit2
        November 22, 2013 at 5:59 pm

        I’m with you Donna and Chips!

      • 32 GGail
        November 22, 2013 at 6:02 pm

        That’s because he doesn’t fully understand the depth of impact he has on our daily lives and way of thinking. Like what JackieG wrote on the previous thread, President Obama has given many of us back that “common denominator” of the everyday man and woman working for a common goal and empowering us to achieve said goal.

        • 33 Nena20409
          November 22, 2013 at 6:25 pm

          GGail, He understands. The reason he has taken every wicked insults thrown at him. THis POTUS is No Body’s fool in understanding USA, especially, with all of our imperfections……Good, Bad and Ugly. He knows that many especially in people of color and the YOUNG need what he is courageously shouldering. This POTUS is a close to perfection in temperment, knowing the challenges and seeing beyond the next generation. Yes, Pres Obama is indeed POTUS seer in my book.

          • November 22, 2013 at 6:46 pm

            Agree with you, Nena.

            Our President is the polar opposite of the jackals that comprise the DC beltway national MSM; he is the most self-aware person I’m aware of. He understands the ramifications of any and all of his actions and decisions.

            PBO is a strategic thinker, and knows every day he is fulfilling his legacy.

            Even as a child he understood. There’s a story in that book about his mother where he was being taunted by classmates because he looked different than them (in Indonesia). The friend with Stanley Ann wanted to intervene, but Stanley Ann said matter-of-factly that he was used to it; and this bullying didn’t diminish young Barry’s good-nature or empathy for others.

            Wise beyond his years, and a one-of-a-kind temperment.

      • 35 utaustinliberal
        November 22, 2013 at 6:14 pm


  6. 36 hopefruit2
    November 22, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    • 37 vcprezofan2
      November 22, 2013 at 5:26 pm

      Our government of ideas! 😀 😀 While the opposition is stuck with talking points, doom and gloom and hatred, PBO’s Admin has bright minds that are forever trying to find paths to their goal – ‘a more perfect union’ with more healthy citizens.

    • 39 Vicki
      November 22, 2013 at 5:51 pm

      This seems terrific. Can’t wait to see how it works. Florida, ohio & Texas hahahahahahaha

    • 41 hopefruit2
      November 22, 2013 at 6:00 pm

      By the way LL, I’m looking forward to your Christmas Classics installment which are not a long way off! Thanksgiving is next week.

  7. 42 vcprezofan2
    November 22, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Enjoy your Friday evening, folks! BBL, and will check in to see what I missed today. /fluttering fingers in a royal wave/ Toodle di doo!

  8. 43 jacquelineoboomer
    November 22, 2013 at 5:28 pm

  9. November 22, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    This may have been posted earlier today. . .

  10. November 22, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    May have already been posted, if it has, Sorry. . .

    • November 22, 2013 at 6:16 pm

      Carol Mae, I think you’re good.

      Haven’t seen too many posting on JFK here, mostly personal remembrances.

      Thanks for posting these items.

      BTW, where were you 50 years ago (in a classroom, no doubt, but anything more to add?).

      • November 22, 2013 at 6:43 pm

        Thank you Arapahoe. Yes, I think I posted it on an old thread and it got missed. 😉 I was young and in the classroom. In fact a one-room schoolhouse in SD. Liberty School Dist. #72. We must have came in from our lunchtime recess because the announcement would have came in at 1:30 om CDT. Mrs. Jones was teaching our class of four in a room with about twelve children, grades 1-8. The phone hadn’t been in that long. We had no running water, a pump, and outdoor toilets. The phone rang and Mrs. Jones went to answer it in the cloak room. I guess technically we had two rooms. 😉 We could hear her gasp and knew immediately something was wrong. I even remember the mother who called. Mrs. Jones told us what happened but I don’t remember what she said. I don’t remember what if anything anyone said. We said a prayer, the pledge of allegiance, lowered our flag to half staff while we did our late chores; clean erasers, wash the blackboard, sweep, throw out our drinking water and check on toilet paper in the outhouse. We then lowered the flag, folded it, rang our Liberty Bell several times and our parents took us home or we walked home; me and neighbor kids whose family farms were on the south side of the school. Then I never left the TV except for Church on Sunday morning. So I missed Oswald and Ruby. My hubby had a very similar set of circumstances except he went the town school and did see Ruby shoot Oswald. I don’t remember any conversations, just what I saw on TV. We went back to school the day after the funeral. It was also a very solemn occasion. I’ve learned so much this week that I never knew. My husband learned for the first time about Officer Tippet.
        How about you? 😪

        • November 22, 2013 at 7:05 pm

          Wow, your story is dramatic and such a slice of Americana.

          Mine isn’t as compelling (suburban elementary school classroom), school let out early (back then everyone either walked, rode bicycles or took the school bus and almost everyone’s Mom was at home).

          Ask me in February — better story in the same classroom after The Beatles appeared on Ed Sullivan!

          • November 22, 2013 at 7:18 pm

            Thanks Arapahoe. I felt very connected to the Kennedy’s even though I was only eleven. Sen. McGovern introduced the campaigning President at the National Corn Picking contest about forty miles from my house. My Uncle came down from ND and surprised my Mom that morning and he took me with him. He lifted me atop his shoulders and I reached out after the speech and President Kennedy touched it. I was already a fan of Sen. McGovern, who introduced him. My first vote went to George McGovern, a young bride, living with hubby near Camp LeJuene, NC. A speech at the Corn Picking contest was a must for a president back then. Nixon came to the plowing contest. I didn’t even know about that. 😉

          • November 22, 2013 at 7:55 pm

            I remember the Beatles too, but in such a small community there weren’t many others to talk too!

  11. November 22, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    So CNN is hyping: Iranian nuclear deal could come “as soon as tonight.”

    Loved this comment from one of @LRozen’s followers who apparently splits his time between NYC, Dubai and Tehran:

  12. 64 hopefruit2
    November 22, 2013 at 6:24 pm

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  14. 72 mtmarilyn
    November 22, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Good afternoon TOD family. LL that was a great essay from the last post. I am so thankful for the blog tyrants here who are able to put into words what I am feeling. You are the best.

    50 years ago today I was home for lunch, we always watched this program on TV, I remember it was a music program and they broke in to say the President had been shot. It was just my mother and I at home, we were in shock. I grew up in a Quaker family, my folks were Republican and they didn’t think to much of a Catholic democratic President. They never said anything bad about him but they just didn’t approve. I went back to school and told everyone. No one would believe me until my dad called my mother and she told him. I remember everyone stayed home and watched TV. My dad was a history professor and he talked about how this would change the course of this country. He wasn’t sure how, he just knew it would be different.

    Even though my family didn’t support him I was quite taken with him and had followed all that I could. I really admired Jacqueline and bought all the information I could. I believe that was when I became a Democrat. Today is very emotional for all of us. I know that he would be so proud of his daughter and he would be proud of our wonderful President.

    Off to celebrate a friends birthday and have a few margaritas. It’s Friday.

    • November 22, 2013 at 7:28 pm

      Very interesting Marilyn. Where did you grow up, Montana? I grew up a Methodist, but one of my Aunts converted and became a Quaker minister. I remember going to one meeting and one revival. Pres. Nixon was a Quaker. Never understood that one. I have no idea how my parents voted. When I asked they told me it was a private ballot and they cherished that. Never found out either. I had no idea. Pres. Kennedy was three years younger than my father. I think I’m about three to four years older than Caroline.

      • 74 mtmarilyn
        November 22, 2013 at 10:46 pm

        I grew up in Kansas in a small town of 500. I still have the family farm and lots of family in Kansas and Oklahoma. My grandfather and grandmother were both Quaker ministers. Where did you live and where did your aunt live? It was hard to understand how Nixon was a Quaker. I could never stand him. I think he was the final thing that pushed me to be a democrat.

        Because my father was a professor we did talk about all that was going on. My folks were very conservative but told us kids we were to make our own decisions. I know they would have a hard time being a Republican in todays world.

        • November 22, 2013 at 11:00 pm

          Thanks Marilyn. I grew up on the family Homestead about 10 miles west of Sioux Falls. My brother owns the farm and my nephew works it. Dad was youngest of nine children. I never knew why my aunt converted. She was in different places but she spent most of my teenage years and on in Stillwater, OK. Everyone on that side of my family was much older. Mom and Dad didn’t get married until Mom was 37. I asked a lot of questions, but didn’t get many answers. It’s just the way it was. I have made assumptions, but I’ll never know.

  15. November 22, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    Because the work week is almost over for most of us:

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  17. November 22, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Now, I assume any nuclear deal with Iran has to be approved by the Senate. Earlier, McCain and his confreres were supportive of negotiations. I wonder if they’ll be able to put aside the filibuster issue and do what’s good for the country and the world.

      • 82 theo67
        November 22, 2013 at 10:03 pm

        I’m with you, Vicki. If McCain and his fogies weren’t able to even put First Responders ahead of their evil agenda, then why would they put the Iran nuclear deal ahead of their politics? To them, it’s just one more opportunity to foil an Obama victory.

  18. 83 Vicki
    November 22, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    So—to review President Obama’s week: Karzai opened a door to allow us unchallenged (from RW) exit from Afghanistan.
    SOS Kerry wheels up en route to Geneva.
    ACA enrollments Soaring.
    FL,Ohio and Texas are getting direct ACA enrollments, avoiding healthcare.gov and their un-copoerative Governors.
    Filibuster busted. Judicial appointments on the way. Adminstration appointments also.

    Remember Bill Maher’s remark about our kick-ass ninja black President? Or the President in 2008 campaign talking to that NH newspaper?

    What’s that, Rush? Sean? Rove? Grover? “Lame Duck?”

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