Early Bird Chat

On This Day: Cincinnati, November 4, 2012


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117 Responses to “Early Bird Chat”

  1. 12 Ladyhawke
    November 4, 2013 at 7:07 am

    Special Investigation: How Insurers Are Hiding Obamacare Benefits From Customers



    Across the country, insurance companies have sent misleading letters to consumers, trying to lock them into the companies’ own, sometimes more expensive health insurance plans rather than let them shop for insurance and tax credits on the Obamacare marketplaces — which could lead to people like Donna spending thousands more for insurance than the law intended. In some cases, mentions of the marketplace in those letters are relegated to a mere footnote, which can be easily overlooked.

    The extreme lengths to which some insurance companies are going to hold on to existing customers at higher price, as the Affordable Care Act fundamentally re-orders the individual insurance market, has caught the attention of state insurance regulators.



    • 13 jackiegrumbacher
      November 4, 2013 at 7:30 am

      LH, the fact that this kind of shady practice is being noticed by state insurance regulators is good news, although I question how “impartial” these regulators are in the more virulently red states. Still a few high profile cases could help bring people’s attention to the what’s really going on and how insurers, the media, and Republicans are colluding to deceive Americans.

      • 14 Ladyhawke
        November 4, 2013 at 7:37 am

        Exactly JG. I won’t hold my breath waiting for the 24X7 breathless reporting on this revelation. It was always suspicious the way the cancellation notices were going out to customers. The reporting on the cancellation letters has been so disingenuous and disgusting. It’s going to take the administration and the twitter brigade to blanket the airways and circumvent the media firewall. This is essentially the dropping of the other shoe. Now we are getting the full picture.

  2. November 4, 2013 at 7:08 am

    I made it in! I made it in! yippie! Hello to my new TOD friends from a long-time lurker… You don’t know how often you’ve saved my sanity- Thank you!!

  3. 28 CEB
    November 4, 2013 at 7:10 am

    Good morning TOD.

  4. 29 Ladyhawke
    November 4, 2013 at 7:10 am

    How Chris Christie Is Becoming The Next George W. Bush — With Democrats’ Help



    In 2013, Governor Chris Christie (R-NJ) is trudging down the George W. Bush path to the presidency — and no one seems to be noticing.

    Actually, Democrats appear to be going out of their way to help the governor rack up the kind of landslide with the kind of support from non-white voters that made Bush’s nomination inevitable. In unison, it seems, Democrats are refusing to call out how Christie’s failed policies that favor the rich, while bullying workers and women, have resulted in an 8.5 percent unemployment rate – tied with Mississippi and Tennessee for 41st in the nation – along with little improvement to the state’s miserable bond rating.

    In fact, the only politicians who have landed any blows on the governor were on Mitt Romney’s VP vetting team.



    • 30 jackiegrumbacher
      November 4, 2013 at 7:45 am

      LH, I never thought I would say this, but GW Bush had a more adaptable and seemingly more congenial personality than Christie and he ran in an era when running as a compassionate conservative was acceptable to his party base. Because Bush was so bland and had that “good old boy” manner, he seemed inoffensive to a lot of otherwise sensible people. Plus he didn’t exactly “win” the 2000 election and he only squeaked by because Gore ran a lousy campaign. Christie would run in a such an extreme, take-no-prisoners’ time that he would have to go far right to appease the base and he would have to outdo Cruz’s lunacy to even have a shot. What he totally lacks is charm of any sort or any likeability whatsoever. His bullying attitude may fool New Jerseyites, who like that brash, ‘in your face’ manner, but I don’t see him translating that well elsewhere. The media will love him, though, and try to push him on voters. The Democratic candidate will have to be smart and run a pitch-perfect, Obama style campaign and also have cross over appeal with Independents. The women’s vote will be important and I just don’t see Christie winning it.

  5. 34 amk for obama
    November 4, 2013 at 7:14 am

    Chips – This deserves FP

  6. 36 amk for obama
    November 4, 2013 at 7:14 am

    Also. Too.

  7. 37 CEB
    November 4, 2013 at 7:17 am

    Gentle hint to Chips and mini-blog tyrants: it would be really fabulous to have a thread that celebrates the first anniversary of the beginning of the second term of the best president ever, our dear PBO, tomorrow.

  8. 57 Linda
    November 4, 2013 at 7:17 am

    Morning Junk is showing a video of every time PBO said ” If you like your insurance , you can keep it .”

    I had to mute him

  9. 61 CEB
    November 4, 2013 at 7:20 am

    I am going back to Healthcare.gov. today to try once again to enroll if I can get a less expensive plan than the one I have currently. My last attempt was almost 2 weeks ago when there were many glitches. Will report on my experience later today.

    • 62 Don
      November 4, 2013 at 8:22 am

      With all due respect CEB, you could have signed up on the very first day of enrollment over the phone if you wanted to. I’m not impressed by people that constantly complain about the website, and knowing full well that a person can sign up over the phone. It is amazing that we survived this long before the home computer was invented.

      • 63 CEB
        November 4, 2013 at 8:41 am

        Not complaining and I know that I can use the 800 number ( I actually checked it out and reported on that). I am not in a hurry and I wanted to go through the on-line experience as a way to let everyone know how things were going on that end from a person who comes from a state that did not set up its own exchanges. If you had seen my posts from earlier you would have been aware of this. In any event, I do not come here to be chastised by someone who is not aware of the full story.

  10. 64 Ladyhawke
    November 4, 2013 at 7:22 am

    AARP HEALTH LAW ANSWERS (One of the best OBAMACARE tools available.)


    Learn how the health care law works for you and your family. It takes just minutes. Let’s get started.



  11. 68 Jovie
    November 4, 2013 at 7:30 am

    The Miami dolphins suspended Richie incognito for Bullying a teammate. The teammate was Martin who has left the team for Emotional reasons.
    And the Miami herald beat writer stuck up for the bully yesterday, on nfl network, disguising him as the victim.

    Here it is:

    Via MikeGarafolo on FOXSportsLive: Martin’s people shared w/Dolphins texts and voicemails from Incognito that are racially charged threats

    — Courtney Fallon (@CourtneyNBC6) November 4, 2013

  12. 69 amk for obama
    November 4, 2013 at 7:35 am

  13. 70 Jovie
    November 4, 2013 at 7:37 am

    Jalali is in Tehren telling supporters of anti America rally this

    No wonder with this type of propaganda? Right?

  14. 72 amk for obama
    November 4, 2013 at 7:50 am

    • 73 Don
      November 4, 2013 at 8:12 am

      I’m thinking that the count is much higher because 1.5 mil is only how many times an application has been generated. It does not say how many people are on each application.

      • 74 hopefruit2
        November 4, 2013 at 8:14 am

        And that’s just thru the website, right? Or does it also count the people who signed up via phone or in person with an ACA rep/agent?

        • 75 Don
          November 4, 2013 at 8:41 am

          I think it is from all sources, but then again HHS has said repeatedly that they won’t give any hard numbers until mid-November. But from all the things I’ve read from different sources that the number has to be well north of 1.5 Mil, I just don’t see people that have never had insurance waiting until the last minute to sign up. I think the problem with the website is due to issues with volume handling, I think the system was overrun with the number of sign-ups it had to process.

          • 76 hopefruit2
            November 4, 2013 at 8:46 am

            I agree about the volume. The media and GOP don’t want to admit that fact, but it’s true. And they know it – that’s why they will have quietly moved on by mid-November, when the figures are released.

      • 77 CEB
        November 4, 2013 at 8:43 am

        I just came back to the computer and saw your response to my earlier comment. Please check my reply.

        • 78 Don
          November 4, 2013 at 9:14 am

          So indeed you could have used the #800 to sign up but instead you wanted to have the “online experience,” and when the online experience didn’t work out you came here to tell us how bad it was. Just go and sign-up and skip the all histrionics.

          • 79 CEB
            November 4, 2013 at 10:06 am

            There was nothing in my tone that was histrionici. I have never been so in all of the times that i have commented here. Not sure where your attitude is coming from, but I will stop here. Too many good things going on to get into something that is based on a misunderstanding.

  15. 83 Jovie
    November 4, 2013 at 7:54 am

  16. 84 Jovie
    November 4, 2013 at 8:01 am

  17. 85 desertflower
    November 4, 2013 at 8:08 am

    Bob Cesca’s back from vacation and brings a good perspective about Obamacare and other lessons we should remember!! Must Read


  18. 86 donna dem 4 obama
    November 4, 2013 at 8:09 am

    Good Morning TOD!

    Before I leave for work please share this reminder all day today with your social network.

    Have a great O’Day everyone.

  19. 92 donna dem 4 obama
    November 4, 2013 at 8:14 am

  20. 95 donna dem 4 obama
    November 4, 2013 at 8:15 am

  21. 96 hopefruit2
    November 4, 2013 at 8:29 am

  22. 97 Jovie
    November 4, 2013 at 8:30 am

  23. 101 hopefruit2
    November 4, 2013 at 8:31 am

    Happy Birthday in advance to even amk!

  24. 103 JER
    November 4, 2013 at 8:31 am

    • 104 hopefruit2
      November 4, 2013 at 8:35 am

      He’s right. The local GOP have inflicted tremendous damage on the cities and states – undermining whatever progress made on the national scene. It’s really sad when two men who happen to be very rich can control so much and people are just as oblivious….

  25. 105 dotster3
    November 4, 2013 at 8:46 am

    I’ve seen this posted a bunch of times but finally was able to get the facts of this encounter. The teacher dared to ask Christie, a perpetual teacher basher, “Why do you call our schools ‘failure factories'”? And he yells back, “Because they are! That’s what’s wrong with YOU PEOPLE” and “What do you want?” and when she replied restored funding for public schools, he just yelled back, “Do your job!” and turned his back on her and got on the bus. He took away over a billion in funding for public schools, only seems to care about parochial and private schools, typical Repub, wants that education money to go to the private sector. I agree with the assessment here. Anyone who votes for this bully should be ashamed of themselves. I don’t get the intrigue, the loyalty to him, by Dems—–at all.

  26. 106 amk for obama
    November 4, 2013 at 8:50 am

  27. 107 JER
    November 4, 2013 at 8:54 am

  28. 108 Ladyhawke
    November 4, 2013 at 9:11 am

    ‘I Would Jump At It’

    The media labeled her an Obamacare victim. Here’s what she really thinks.

    By Jonathan Cohn


    Even so, Barrette’s take is a reminder that people can have a longer-view perspective about medical bills than pundits frequently assume. When I gave her a broad description of the plans available, she seemed interested. I noted that she’d be paying $100 or $150 extra a month for policies that still had high cost-sharing, so that she would still be a lot of money out of her own pocket. (I also made very clear that I’m not an insurance agent or broker—that, when she finally goes shopping for insurance, she should talk to a real expert for advice.) Here was her response: “I would jump at it,” she said. “With my age, things can happen. I don’t want to have bills that could make me bankrupt. I don’t want to lose my house.”

    Barrette can’t be sure until she sees the numbers for herself. And so far she hasn’t been able to do so, thanks to the technological problems at healthcare.gov. But as she’s become more aware of her options, she said, she’s no longer aghast at losing her plan—and curious to see what alternatives are available. “Maybe,” she told me, “it’s a blessing in disguise.”



  29. 110 amk for obama
    November 4, 2013 at 9:14 am

  30. 111 amk for obama
    November 4, 2013 at 9:15 am

  31. 112 Ladyhawke
    November 4, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Debunking Conservative Lies About The Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA)


  32. 113 desertflower
    November 4, 2013 at 9:18 am


    The truth about this controversy is that there is a broad debate in our country over how much government should do to correct for market outcomes that leave so many Americans without enough income, opportunity or access to the essentials of modern life, notably health insurance.

    Supporters of Obamacare, including those who wish it had gone even further, believe that social justice requires government to give significant assistance to those who find themselves on the wrong end of an economic system that is producing an increasingly unequal society.

    Opponents of Obamacare want government to let the market do what the market does. That’s why the program’s critics have not come up with a plausible alternative to covering the uninsured — and why many in their ranks have been trying to hack away at Medicare and Medicaid. Their overarching purpose is to get government out of the way. If the market generates vast inequalities, this must be because such inequalities maximize efficiency.

    Thus, foes of the new health-care law aren’t against it because its Web site worked badly or because the president once said that everybody could keep their current policies when it turned out that some in the small individual insurance market got cancellation notices. For those trying to kill the law, such noise is designed to distract attention from what they really think, which is that we should let non-elderly Americans sink or swim in the insurance arrangements that existed before Obamacare.

  33. 115 desertflower
    November 4, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Even if Rand Paul is “joking” about shooting Maddow for pointing out he’s plagiarized, he still thinks it’s okay to fire her for being gay.
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