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Early Bird Chat

On This Day: President Obama plays peek-a-boo with Maeve Beliveau, the daughter of Director of Advance Emmett Beliveau, in the Outer Oval Office, Oct. 30, 2009 (Photo by Pete Souza)

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MoooOOOooorning Early Birds!


68 Responses to “Early Bird Chat”


  1. 1 Grab a mop grace
    October 30, 2013 at 7:24 am

    GM all!

  2. 6 Roberta in MN
    October 30, 2013 at 7:25 am

    Good Morning Chips, loved your pic in the last thread of that young bog tyrant Danny. Beautiful dog.

  3. October 30, 2013 at 7:25 am

    Next to first! Good morning eveyone…;))

  4. October 30, 2013 at 7:46 am

    Posted on last thread:
    Last year, when I temporarily lost my health insurance, I was looking for just about anything that would cover my medication. I couldn’t even afford the low cost ones. But now that I know what they were selling, they weren’t even worth what I would have paid for them. Sometimes I wonder if there wasn’t a big push to “take the money and run” with those policies. They knew those policies weren’t going to be compliant in a year, and probably figured out that they wouldn’t have to pay out very much if the policies only lasted a year and they were good almost nowhere.

    But I think, like the website stuff, this too shall pass. I haven’t ever been on a big project that there hasn’t been something that needed correcting. For one thing, sometimes the best planned project runs into unexpected obstacles: time, materials, whatever. None of which you can really anticipate until it’s live and real customers make demands.
    For another, this is a long-term committment, so the fixers are equally dedicated and patient along with the customers.

    And does anyone really grasp the scope of this IT project? Think of all of the nodes that have to talk to each other: Irs, Social Security, Immigration, Health and Human Services, states, doctors, insurance companies. All with differing systems, some with equipment that is probably just Y2k compliant due to budget constrictions, different (and sometimes just part time) staffing. That this thing works on the IT side at all is a miracle of computing. It’s not like Amazon with its one site.

    • 14 57andfemale
      October 30, 2013 at 9:06 am

      Carol, those policies have been dreadful for decades. Self-employed, under-employed have been living with this nightmare for years. However, if you’ve always had a traditional job and traditional employer-provided health care, you just don’t know about this. It affects hard working, self-employed and under-employed people. This is not a new phenomena, just one that has not been in the public consciousness.

      Anyone who is bitching about the cancellation of these policies has never had to use them because in a just world, they would be considered fraudulent. You can paste a big name insurance provider on it, but junk is still junk.

      In fact, this last rash of b.s. has taught me something really important, and I consider myself pretty engaged and knowledgeable on ACA (not an expert, but reasonably engaged). There was a lot of hyperventilating from the emoprogs when ACA was enacted that all you’d be able to afford were these junk policies. It has been a revelation to me that the law as written was going to provide truly decent policies, even at the lowest ACA-compliant level.

      I wish this had been more focused on over the last few years. There were certain statements that the President and the administration made over and over again – no preexisting conditions, staying on parents’ policies until 26, no lifetime caps and – “if you like your insurance you can keep it.” Now I know the Evildoers will cease on anything they can find, but if included in the stock message had been the fact that all insurance would not only be affordable but comprehensive – that the individual insurance market would now be providing affordable, excellent insurance – a lot of people would not have been so easily influenced.

      • October 30, 2013 at 9:22 am

        I still think they were the insurance companies real cash cow, just like those toxic mortgages were to some of the banks, worthless stuff that served as little more than a steady cash flow from the desperate.

        I think Obama hoped that this wouldn’t be necessary, that the insurance companies would quietly make these policies compliant. But the companies waited until the last minute, perhaps hoping that somehow Obamacare would not really be enacted, and these policies would still in force.

        Another way in which we dodged a real bullet in re-electing Obama.

        • 16 57andfemale
          October 30, 2013 at 10:49 am

          They were a total cash cow because they didn’t pay out shit. I know from experience. However, the policies became increasingly difficult and finally impossible to get if you had so much as a sniffle in 1987. Hubby and I paid more and more for less and less coverage and it got insane as he neared Medicare age. He finally made one claim -and ER visit on Christmas morning – and after 25 years of no claims, they denied the claim. I got on my high horse, cancelled the policy and thought I would be able to get coverage, albeit expensive and it would not cover my asthma. I couldn’t get ANY policy at ANY price. This was 8 years ago.

          I completely agree that PBO assumed they would make these policies compliant. It’s the danger of having to give too much power to the for-profit insurance industry, but PBO truly got the very most he could get at the time.

  5. 17 africa
    October 30, 2013 at 7:48 am

    Good morning everyone.

  6. 18 africa
    October 30, 2013 at 7:48 am

    • 19 africa
      October 30, 2013 at 7:50 am

      When the woman worried aloud that her children were no longer staying in the home, rep told her, that they didn’t have to be, as long as they were not older than 26.

  7. October 30, 2013 at 7:51 am

    Good Morning Chipsticks…TOD Early Birds!!!

  8. 25 africa
    October 30, 2013 at 7:54 am

    WORD:

  9. 28 dotster3
    October 30, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Laughing at our new blog tyrant in training. He looks like he’s JUST about ready to begin posting, maybe a couple more short training sessions. Can’t wait to hear his political thoughts—-and what he thinks about his new situation, whether it’s working out, nice or not, treats or not.
    I’m just happy to be back in computer biz. Somehow messed everything up last night, spent 3 1/2 hours trying to restore, failed, went to bed sad. This a.m. mr. dotster fixed everything in about 3 seconds and now won’t shut up about his tech prowess, strutting around like a proud peacock, keeps fishing for compliments after I’ve said “Thank you, and you’re a genius” about 50 times. Geez. Maybe if I hand him some cereal, he won’t be able to brag with a mouthful of cheerios. 🙂

    • October 30, 2013 at 8:08 am

      “mr. dotster fixed everything in about 3 seconds and now won’t shut up about his tech prowess, strutting around like a proud peacock, keeps fishing for compliments after I’ve said “Thank you, and you’re a genius” about 50 times.”

      Dotster, you have me hooooooooooowling again!! 😆 Please pass on our ‘you are a genius’ congratulations to Mr Dotster!!

      As for our new blog tyrant, my fear is he’ll be a fan of Ron Paw-l.

      See what I did there? 😎

    • 32 amk for obama
      October 30, 2013 at 8:56 am

      Only 50 times ?

      wimmin/smh

  10. 33 africa
    October 30, 2013 at 8:03 am

    LOL

    • 34 Ladyhawke
      October 30, 2013 at 8:30 am

      Here’s another one…..

      Eric Wolfson ‏@ericwolfson 6h

      —————————————–

      #BREAKING: #RandPaul Forced To Cancel Speech After #Wikipedia Crashes

      ———————————————

    • 35 Obama Grandmama
      October 30, 2013 at 12:23 pm

      Remember the GOP talking point that Barack Obama was only a good Teleprompter reader? It turns out their own fit their talking points for the teleprompter.

  11. 37 dotster3
    October 30, 2013 at 8:09 am

    HAHA—-this is hysterical! Today Show just opened with “BREAKING OVERNIGHT! The WH knew about problems with the healthcare website BEFORE it launched!!!!!!!!!!” WHAT????? Gee, I hadn’t heard about this!!! HA!
    And I continue laughing at the very end of these hysterical reports—-in a real soft, fast voice——shhhhhh—–of course I should add that cancellations will not affect 80%, and the people affected had junk insurance and will have better policies, more coverage. shhhhhh.
    Now Chuck T. is putting the topper on it, saying President Obama has been incompetent, doesn’t know how to govern, was dishonest etc. etc. etc. ——spinning so hard and so falsely it was laughable.

  12. 41 Jovie
    October 30, 2013 at 8:11 am

    Sebelius shouldn’t be going to the Hill today. She should have taken the executive privilege. They’re very rough up there, looking to destroy people. They only car about 2 things, getting rid of this President and or making him look bad.
    Just a couple thoughts…

  13. 43 Jovie
    October 30, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Wolfe blitzer just said that people on ACA has deductibles??? Not!

  14. 45 carolyn
    October 30, 2013 at 8:45 am

    They’ve been coming for him since January 20, 2009. They are now desperate. It is Sebelius’s job to go to this hearing. We seem to forget that she was an insurance commissioner in Kansas, then governor of Kansas. She is not afraid of these Congresspeople. She’s not loud, but she’s strong.
    And have you noticed, the Democrats are not letting the Rethugs walk all over them in committee meetings? They are calling out the rethugs and going on the offense?
    This won’t work any more than all the other attempts have worked. Also, people are finally beginning to see what is going on, and are not happy. If the Rethugs want to do themselves in for a century, they will try to impeach…..this is a losing proposition, and the smart ones know it……that is the paymasters of the party.
    Not only are the rethugs overplaying their hand, but also, the MSM are, I believe. Their numbers are down, and pushback is getting more consistent.

    • October 30, 2013 at 8:52 am

      Since the Clinton Impeachment was so successful in turning folks against him…and Clinton didn’t have the trained and passionate support Obama does.

      Fortunately, Obama doesn’t have the self-destruct thing that Clinton does. You can be sure there’s no Monica, he isn’t greedy. And his elections were won with clear margins and a clear majority of Electoral votes. They have no case, and they can’t even make up something that wouldn’t be laughed out of the room.

    • 47 Jovie
      October 30, 2013 at 8:55 am

      Ok! Just remember I told you so when they start the big hearings on trumped up charges?
      They need grounds first… Sadly!
      I know I never put things artfully, can’t write like many of you can, but a lot of times and as it turns out -I am correct.
      Let’s hope I am wrong this time. 🙂

      • 48 japa21
        October 30, 2013 at 9:24 am

        Jovie, you write just fine. Direct and to the point, which is exactly what is needed at times. And yes, they are coming for him, but they won’t succeed.

      • 49 vcprezofan2
        October 30, 2013 at 9:26 am

        Morning, Jovie!
        Whatever they strive to contrive won’t work, so I’m going to say, ‘You are wrong this time’.
        Don’t worry so much. It’s obvious Repubs are stupid, but surely, there can be found one last one to step forward AT LAST and say ‘Enough!’ if they were to head in this direction?

    • 50 vcprezofan2
      October 30, 2013 at 9:02 am

      ‘Morning, Carolyn! As I was mentally agreeing with your position a thought popped into my mind =
      .
      ***ALL of President Obama’s major picks have been/ have had to be strong personalities because they all get challenged because *he* chose them!

      A truly sad reflection on those doing the challenging IMO, yet since most (all?) have weathered the storm, a great testament to the President’s leadership, wisdom, awareness of the strength within his staffing pool, etc.

    • 51 Vicki
      October 30, 2013 at 9:16 am

      Have to agree entirely with you Carolyn as well as many other members of TOD.
      The GOPMSM are getting more and more desperate as facts on the ground start to reveal the Democratic Playbook to Take the House in 2014.
      1) Obamacare will be (is) increasingly popular and smooth. Word of its goodness will be spread far and wide. Uncontainable!
      2) The Afghan drawdown will be highlighted starting I’d guess with the State of The Union speech early in the new year.
      Peace in the world, healthy citizens at home.

      Sure, the Demented RW will engineer as many fiascos as they can but they will lose the House, lose a few Senate seats, lose at least a few of their worst Governors—-Scott, Corbett.

      Don’t let the lying sacks of poop on the news get you down.

    • October 30, 2013 at 9:31 am

      They’ve been coming for him since January 20, 2009. They are now desperate. It is Sebelius’s job to go to this hearing. We seem to forget that she was an insurance commissioner in Kansas, then governor of Kansas. She is not afraid of these Congresspeople. She’s not loud, but she’s strong.
      **********************************

      THISSSSSSSSSS!

  15. 55 Jovie
    October 30, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Cnn just said the website is down. They lied!!! See?

    https://www.healthcare.gov

    You can get on and fast! CNN lied!

  16. 57 desertflower
    October 30, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Morning TOD:) Jovie…..relax……breath….”coming for him” ? They’ve been doing this shit for 5 years now! The difference is that PBO has truth on his side and has nothing to hide. The rest? They have lied and lied and lied and lied…spun and spun and spun and spun. Hasn’t worked yet, won’t work now. Relax. He’s got this…and we got his back.

    • 58 Jovie
      October 30, 2013 at 8:57 am

      They’re saying he lied to the American people.
      That’s pretty rough. Yes I know they’ve been coming for him for 5 years. Thank you for reminding me.
      🙂

  17. 59 Jovie
    October 30, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Cnn just said it was down again I have no problem logging on.
    They must be using a Commodore 54 computer? 🙂

  18. 60 amk for obama
    October 30, 2013 at 9:05 am

  19. 61 desertflower
    October 30, 2013 at 9:10 am

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/alex-sink-announcement/2149702

    Alex Sink is running for Congress.

    Florida’s former chief financial officer and Democratic gubernatorial nominee on Tuesday confirmed exclusively to the Tampa Bay Times that she is jumping into the race to succeed late Republican U.S. Rep. C.W. Bill Young in a district covering much of Pinellas County.

  20. 64 dotster3
    October 30, 2013 at 9:21 am

    I note that the NYT’s article which everyone on twitter is complaining about, accusing PBO of being an evil “bystander” president, used clips from Morning Joe as their source for this ‘brilliant’ deduction——–likely assembled by our ‘good friend’, Chuck Todd. Morning Joe and Chuck Todd—–now there’s some real credible, non-partisan, objective, honest sources for ya. (reminding myself to just laugh this off before I bang head on hard wall, which would hurt)

  21. 65 desertflower
    October 30, 2013 at 9:33 am

    http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/media/news/2013/10/24/77938/10-years-of-false-equivalence-and-still-going-strong/

    Even for an issue with a cause as obvious as that of the government shutdown, mainstream reporters cannot bring themselves to assign responsibility where it undeniably belongs. Media Matters for America has helpfully provided us with a compendium of such instances, and here is a similar review from the Nieman Journalism Lab at Harvard University.
    The reasons for this phenomenon are complex and interrelated. They derive from mainstream reporters’ outdated commitment to the ideal of objectivity. Conservatives successfully exploit this commitment with their willingness to invent facts, subvert scientific study, and replace reality with ideology. “Both sides” may “do it,” but not to degrees that are remotely comparable.

  22. 66 LDS
    October 30, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Good morning TODville. It has been a while. Still busy but I lurk quietly late at night. It takes me two days to catch up.
    Ms. Chips, Danny is tugging at my heart again. He owns the house, right? He is so cute, adorable and training YOU quite well.
    Thank you and everyone here for keeping me informed.


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