An Obamacare This and That


@owillis: why you shouldnt compare obamacare to katrina or iraq, in one chart. cc: all pundits



Fantastic post (again) by Sally Kohn on the Fox site… cracks me up how heads explode over there under anything she writes 😎

Sally Kohn (Fox): I was an ObamaCare guinea pig

I signed up. I saved. And so will millions of Americans.

…. I logged onto the New York State health insurance exchange website. Yeah, I had a few false starts – the website was down a lot early on either because of service glitches or overwhelming traffic … But finally, I was able to log-in and complete my registration and check out all my options for insurance.

There were literally 50 plans that were better than my current insurance …Within a week, I had settled on a “gold” plan offered by Empire Blue Cross Blue Shield … This option will cost my family $931 per month — $408 per year less than my previous crappy plan and a $5,000 savings in deductibles. A big win for me and my family financially and in terms of what’s covered.

Plus in the past, I spent several days looking for and comparing insurance options. Under ObamaCare, even with the slow and sticky website, I spent a total of four hours — to save over $5,400. That kind of return on investment would make Warren Buffett drool.

….. Ideologues may not like ObamaCare, but my wallet and my family’s health sure do.

Full post here



Consumer Reports: Obamacare opponents have misrepresented Consumer Reports’ position – HealthCare.gov problems do not negate benefits of new health law

Pundits opposed to the new health care law and some media outlets have tried to suggest that our coverage of the troubled HealthCare.gov site means that Consumer Reports has turned against the Affordable Care Act.

Not true. Consistent with our mission to inform and protect consumers, particularly in this complicated health care market, our advice remains the same: The best place to buy coverage on your own is through the Health Insurance Marketplace in your state. That guarantees you will get comprehensive coverage, and it’s the only way you can lower the cost of your premiums and possibly even your deductibles and copayments.

More here


ThinkProgress: Confronted With Example Of Obamacare Success, GOP Rep Freaks Out

A CNN host confronted a Republican congresswoman on Tuesday for dismissing some of the successes uninsured people have has in signing up for Obamacare, accusing the GOP lawmaker of rooting for the law’s failure.

The heated exchange came in response to comments made by Gov. Steve Beshear (D-KY), who told CNN that his state-operated exchange, Kynect, is working well in Kentucky. “We’re signing up people at roughly a thousand a day. It’s a great rate and a great success so far,” he told on CNN’s “New Day,” describing the market as “a gold standard because it’s working.”

More here


@igorvolsky: Amazing ad in Colorado encouraging people to enroll in Obamacare


WDAY: Thousands gather to learn about health care reform

Hundreds and, in some cases, thousands have been showing up to Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Dakota’s free forums to learn about healthcare reform.

Monday, people gathered at the Ramada Plaza and Suites in Fargo.

Two sessions gave people the chance to learn if they’re eligible for the insurance plans and if so, what types of plans are available.

More here – video at link



ThinkProgress: No, Obamacare Isn’t Creating A Part-Time Economy

Politicians and media figures opposed to Obamacare regularly insist that the health law is creating a part-time economy. But independent analyses and monthly employment data reveal that claim to be false.

The monthly jobs report that was released on Tuesday found that the U.S. economy had added 148,000 jobs in September and that the national unemployment rate fell to 7.2 percent. And as University of Michigan economics professor Justin Wolfers pointed out on Twitter, the report also found that the economy has been adding full time employment while actually shedding part-time jobs.

In fact, full time employment rose by over 1.6 million between September 2012 and September 2013. The number of people saying they worked a part-time job for economic reasons — such as part-time work being the only kind available — fell by nearly 700,000 in that same time period…

More here



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101 Responses to “An Obamacare This and That”

  1. 1 Nena20409
    October 22, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Great Afternoon Chips and Danny….. How is the Jr bt?

  2. 2 hopefruit2
    October 22, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    More Obamacare, and more of this! 🙂 🙂

  3. 4 Nena20409
    October 22, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Carol Castello of TeaNN actually tried to be a Journalist. Wow!

  4. 5 Nena20409
    October 22, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Hey HF2….You and I made it On Time…… 😉 Okay then….Congrats HF2 🙂

  5. 6 jacquelineoboomer
    October 22, 2013 at 1:50 pm

  6. 7 Layla
    October 22, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    21,910,711 hits

    • 8 jacquelineoboomer
      October 22, 2013 at 2:33 pm

      Whoa. Looks like it took only about four minutes to go from 21M to almost 22M. Looks like soon we’re gonna have another party!

    • 9 vcprezofan2
      October 22, 2013 at 3:08 pm

      Wait a minute, Layla, you didn’t count me!

      21,911,761 hits 😉 😉

  7. 10 jacquelineoboomer
    October 22, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    This is almost as good as “truthiness”!

    • 11 COS
      October 22, 2013 at 2:04 pm

      Wow, I usually don’t care for Carol Costello, but I really enjoyed her interview and pushback on that woman from Carolina. I love what the governor of Kentucky said. Thanks for posting.

  8. 12 Nena20409
    October 22, 2013 at 2:04 pm


    (DETROIT) — Chrysler has begun shipping the long-awaited Jeep Cherokee small crossover SUV to dealerships.

    Distribution of the Cherokees had been delayed while the company tinkered with the new nine-speed automatic transmissions to make them shift more smoothly.

    Two company spokesmen confirmed that Chrysler began shipping Cherokees on Tuesday from a factory in Toledo, Ohio.

  9. 13 japa21
    October 22, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    OCare is here to stay and by next year, all these rollout problems will be forgotten and by the year following anyone trying to get rid of it will be treated with the same disdain as somebody trying to get rid of Medicare.

    And more puppy pictures please.

    • 14 elo4obama/biden
      October 22, 2013 at 2:13 pm

      TY Japa21. You are correct, and puts the shameful behavior of the press spectacle I saw today into perspective.

  10. 15 elo4obama/biden
    October 22, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Hello TOD! I’ve delurked to say please everybody send Jay “Clark” Kent some love today. I might have missed the first 10 or so minutes of the WH briefing today. ALL but ONE question had to do with the website issues. One after another of the baubble heads asked their 2-3 questions. One knucklehead even asked who would do the sort of daily updates like what was done for the oil disaster. Jay had to remind her that this is not a natural or manmade disaster.

    Many times he had to refer them to HHS. Then a couple of questions had to do with how much has this cost the American taxpayer. He should have said not $24+ billion dollars in 17 days. I’ve seen him under pressure before but I think this really wiped him out, and he seemed incredulous over the childishness and the need for a petty distraction as such shown today. He even left without saying goodbye or whishing them a good day. April was left with her mouth open and her uncalled on question thrown out there…has he or the WH followed someone without insurance sign on….?

    No interest in other numbers beside how much problems cost taxpayers, and when will all issues be fixed and what are the cause of all the problems. Some fools asking Jay if he’s logged on. He reminded them AGAIN that he gets employer paid health insurance. I was about to say I learned nothing of what’s going on in the world, since they had no interest in the world. I did however learn you can now go on the .gov site and put in your zip and get plans , info on the other ways of signing up – 800#, mail or in person, all without signing on with a password. The pirahnnas (sp) did not care, but I welcome that improvement.

    Jay we love you! I think it’s more than time to open up these press briefings in another way. Conference questions for state paper and TV journalist, and journalist students. This showcased more than any other the failure of our so called news journalist. I was embarrassed, discouraged and mainly beyond annoyed to real anger.

    Bless you guys who bring me the news I need to know.

    • October 22, 2013 at 2:26 pm

      I’m not saying you’re wrong,eloforobamabiden, when you said that Jay said it has cost taxpayers 24 BILLION in 17 days to fix a website. Sounds impossible. Isn’t that 24 BILLION the first estimate of the 17 day government shutdown?

      • 17 japa21
        October 22, 2013 at 2:33 pm

        He was saying Jay should have said “Not 24 billion” referring to the cost of the shutdown.

      • October 22, 2013 at 2:34 pm


        This may just be my interpretation, but I think eloforobama/biden was not saying that it cost 24 billion to fix the website, but that it is NOT costing the 24 billion that resulted from the government shut down.

        Again, that is how I interpreted it.

        • October 22, 2013 at 2:48 pm

          Thanks, swbluega, for the clarification. I was reading through blinkered eyes (pissed off) because I just surfed from GOS to Chips new post. At GOS there was a super regular poster from here that stated Kathleen Sebellius was the WORST administrator. Well, I just saw red. Not only has she been dealing with very complex forms of security encryptions across government agencies but half the states fighting or straddling the fence. Hell, just last night Kasick(sp), of Ohio tried to do a run around with medicaid expansion and will be challenged.

          IMO, it’s important to separate the website from the law and promote the alternatives until and even after the website is fixed.

          P.S. FU, Jon Stewart.

      • 20 elo4obama/biden
        October 22, 2013 at 2:44 pm

        I’m too busy grooving to Lionel Richie now to re-read my words above. If I typed that it was a typo! I was joking that it could NOT have cost anywhere near $24 billion ( in 17 days). What are we talking, some overtime in IT pay here. 🙂

        How have you been pamelabrown53?

        • October 22, 2013 at 2:59 pm


          Grooving on Lionel Ritchie sounds like a wonderful desressor. Thanks for asking: big picture good though, like everyone else, plenty of aggravations…And you?

    • October 22, 2013 at 2:27 pm


      When you watch the US media, you would think nothing else is happening in the country, much less the world. Our Secretary of State is traveling and negotiating with other countries, but we hear little or nothing about that in our media. Children are still getting killed in this country, but that is not a major news story. There are so many other REAL issues that should have the attention of this media, but they are, as usual, stuck on stupid.

      It’s a shame how this media is so obsessed with finding flaws with President Obama that they are unable to report real news.

    • October 22, 2013 at 2:39 pm

      I hope Jay can read your post. That was a great thank you to him. We all suffer because of the WHPC.

    • October 22, 2013 at 3:22 pm

      Speaking of “glitches,” methinks the msnbc.com launch last week is running into trouble.

      Today I get the old nbcnews.com home page, with MSNBC shows listed across the top, like they used to be.

      But navigating and trying to find the URLs for show episodes proves to be beyond my limited skill set.

      Highly recommend @Lawrence’s rewrite last night, in which Jonathan Karl is the “WH Correspondent or Pinhead.” @Lawrence takes great glee in taking down Karl’s not “understanding” Jay Carney’s answer and then finishes the job by reading directly from the ACA that IRS will have no enforcement ability re: individual mandate.

      It was a thing of beauty, but can’t find the episode URL.

      If you Google “the last word with lawrence o’donnell” you’ll get his msnbc page, and you can select “Rewrite” which defaults to yesterday’s segment.

    • October 22, 2013 at 3:34 pm

      Cable News Networks don’t cover “news”. They cover “events.”

      They only even begin to start making their money back when millions tune in, and that only happens when something explodes, large number of people die, celebrity major something happens, Presidential debates and election nights and extreme acts of devastation and destruction.

      Knock on wood: things like that don’t happen that often.

      So what they do is try to create fake events to fill in the time between real events. “Events of the week” is their pattern. It might stretch on to two weeks, maybe even three, but it’s usually of the week, and this week it’s the website. They turned what is really just run-of-the-mill bureaucratic bungling that most people don’t care about because most people know it’ll get fixed eventually, to something worthy of a high-level cabinet member getting fired.

      Oh, forgot to add: cabinet member firings or impeachments.

      Thing is, most people don’t care about their latest made-up event, because most people are either tech-savvy enough to know about that magical time of the day called “low traffic” or “low impact” website time, or they know that these technical issues eventually resolve themselves. And the rest of the people are so tech-ignorant that the prospect of signing for something online scares them shitless anyway, so they’ll delay it as long as possible, and by the time they eventually do get to the federal healthcare site, problems have been resolved.

      In other words:

      But they gotta keep pushing it because it’s their event. What else can they do? They can wish really really hard for a real disaster to befall the American people, but what’s the odds of those happening? Normal people think “Not great, thank God.” They think “Not great, blast it.”

      So they’ll ride this donkey for as long as they can until they realize it aint got the legs to carry them, and then they’ll make up some new “event” and hitch their ride to that. Because long ago they decided it was a brilliant idea to do a 24 hour news channel, without covering any news, and now they’re stuck with the consequences.

    • October 22, 2013 at 4:11 pm

      Has even one “journalist” asked Republicans about the 24 billion dollars lost during the GOP shutdown/threatened default? I have no problems with questions about the ACA website (and of course it will be fixed) but treat both parties equally. There is a lot for journalists to go after the Republicans for.

  11. 31 utaustinliberal
    October 22, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    I loooooooooove this law.

  12. 32 utaustinliberal
    October 22, 2013 at 2:14 pm

  13. 33 utaustinliberal
    October 22, 2013 at 2:16 pm

  14. 34 Ladyhawke
    October 22, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Glitch, Please: The Massive Propaganda Fail Around Health Reform

    By Spandan


    I can understand the crocodile tears from the Republicans – they never wanted this president to succeed in implementing health care reform in the first place. They fought the opportunity for Americans to get affordable health insurance tooth and nail, even shutting down the government and bringing America to the brink of default over it. The Republican propaganda around health reform took advantage of the website difficulties, pretending its faults alone are the entirety of health reform.
    This isn’t about making excuses for the website’s poor performance – this is about getting the story right. The president isn’t making excuses, and neither am I. The president is taking responsibility to fix the glitches, make the system better, and once and for all end the shame of being the world’s only industrialized nation that does not provide affordable healthcare for all of its citizens. This isn’t about excuses. This is about explanations. This is about examining the issue instead of political point-scoring.



    • October 22, 2013 at 2:32 pm

      Thanks for the link, Ladyhawke,

      …and the comment. Now that the government shutdown and debt ceiling threat has been temporarily removed, the MSM has nothing else to talk about than website problems…which WILL be fixed. There is no historical context or present day perspective.

    • 36 4morefor44
      October 22, 2013 at 3:16 pm

      hahahaha! “glitch, please.” spandan wins the internet today!!

  15. 37 Layla
    October 22, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    OT Jon Stewart is an asshole!!!!

    • 38 elo4obama/biden
      October 22, 2013 at 2:49 pm

      Hi Layla,

      What has the asshole done or said now? I stopped watching his show months ago now (maybe a couple of years.)

      • 39 Layla
        October 22, 2013 at 3:10 pm

        He needs to be SERIOUSLY smacked down!!!!!
        Now that the shutdown is over, it’s time for Jon Stewart to turn his attention to the technical failures of the Obamacare rollout, and he did so on Monday with gusto.
        In part one above, Stewart outlines the myriad “glitches” that have plagued the rollout and marvels at the way Democrats have tried to “spin this turd.” In part two below, he turns his attention to the president’s own attempts to talk up the positives, asking, “When did the President of The United States turn into Gil from ‘The Simpsons?'”

        • October 22, 2013 at 3:40 pm

          Stewart hasn’t been funny in years, unlike his protege, Colbert, who has surpassed him in every way. Stewart is now forced to go after easy low-hanging fruit of “controversy” out there because, and this is the honest truth: he’s not smart enough to make things actually funny. This has been exposed over the last few years of his show: he really knows little of what he speaks and worse, he doesn’t seem to care to learn.

          But he does his show in front of a live studio audience which are basically trained seals. This isn’t an insult to them, but they are. I’ve been a part of a live studio audience, we’re told when to applaud and laugh, and we laugh because that’s why we’re there. And Stewart’s audience is really just there for the experience. Don’t mistake the reception he gets on his own show with what people really think of him these days.

  16. 41 hopefruit2
    October 22, 2013 at 2:34 pm

  17. 43 Jovie
    October 22, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Obama to New York Friday
    By REID J. EPSTEIN | 10/21/13 12:54 PM EDT
    President Barack Obama will visit a Brooklyn high school Friday during a fundraising trip to New York City, White House press secretary Jay Carney said Monday.

    Obama will stop at the Pathways in Technology Early College High School in the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn, a school the president mentioned during his State of the Union address in February.

    Obama also will attend events to raise money for the Democratic National Committee and Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Friday in Manhattan.

  18. 44 Ladyhawke
    October 22, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    The Tale of the Terrible, Glitch-Filled Health Care Law Rollout:

    By The Rude Pundit


    Within a week of the new health care law coming into effect, the St. Petersburg Times was reporting that “After hearing about the elaborate network of options…Hugh Mabe had a simple response. ‘I don’t get it.’ For the past week, many Citrus County residents have echoed Mabe’s sentiment. Though enrollment began Tuesday, few potential beneficiaries have settled on a plan.” Yes, it was confusing because it was so very new and different.

    Of course, the computer glitches didn’t help: “During the first few days of enrollment, people had trouble logging onto [the] website because of heavy traffic.” Because of all the problems, less than a month after its rollout, at least one senator from the president’s own party wrote to officials in charge of the website, saying, “I am writing to express my concern with serious problems brought to my attention relating website. [People] have reported that the pricing information of plans listed on the website is inaccurate and misleading…A discrepancy of thousands of dollars is more than just a ‘glitch’…This sort of problem could greatly hinder successful implementation of the [new health care law] by undermining consumer confidence in the program.”
    Let’s just show the cards here. If you haven’t figured it out, this is all about the sign-up period for what was the then-new Medicare prescription drug program, Part D.



    • 45 pkayden
      October 22, 2013 at 4:16 pm

      Preach! How soon we forget.

    • October 22, 2013 at 5:11 pm

      LH, signing up for Medicare is still difficult as many people here know. Anytime you’re confronted with a new experience that requires absorbing a lot of confusing information, there are going to be problems. I had to talk to a lot of people, compare a lot of plans and was still confused. In the end, I consulted an independent broker for Medicare, just as Tally recommended for people trying to sign up with OCare. But despite all the Medicare challenges, millions of seniors learned to cope and sign up just as millions will learn to cope and sign up with ObamaCare.

  19. 47 Ladyhawke
    October 22, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Cleave This Party in Two

    by BooMan


    Can Republican lawmakers who represent districts outside of the Deep South survive this kind of public disapproval? I’d argue that they might survive it if they can repair some of the damage, but they can’t survive it if the damage is exacerbated and brought closer to election day. If these Republicans want to save themselves, they must make a break with the conservative movement, and they must make that break now.

    For the Democrats, all they have to do is to make the offer and keep making it. Join with us and pass immigration reform. Join with us and pass a Farm Bill. Join with us and pass a balanced budget plan. Join with us and form a governing majority in the House that sidelines the Tea Party. They don’t have to agree to it, but refusing the offer will only serve to highlight the need to remove these folks from power.

    It’s one more example where we can further the destruction of the modern GOP simply by being reasonable and offering them what they say they want. If they agree, the Tea Party is sidelined. If they don’t agree, the party gets wiped out. Either way, we win.



    • October 22, 2013 at 3:24 pm

      Good one, Lh!!

      “If they agree, the Tea Party is sidelined. If they don’t agree, the party gets wiped out. Either way, we win.”


      Yes We Can

      • 49 Ladyhawke
        October 22, 2013 at 3:51 pm

        Yes, this was a very insightful post from booman. It reminded me of the comments below. I can’t remember when PBO said it, but it sure gets the point across loud and clear.


        in 2014 who wants to build a road. Send me a congress in 2014 who cares about the middle class. Send me a congress in 2014 that will help me create jobs and fight global warming. Then, and ONLY then will we get things done.

        — President Barack Obama

  20. 51 japa21
    October 22, 2013 at 3:19 pm

  21. 52 jacquelineoboomer
    October 22, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    • 53 jacquelineoboomer
      October 22, 2013 at 3:24 pm

      Noah Feldman is a law professor at Harvard Law (and columnist for @BloombergView) and was just on The Cycle, sounding smart. Thought I’d follow him for a bit, to see what he adds to the conversation (although I realize y’all may already be following him!).

  22. 54 japa21
    October 22, 2013 at 3:25 pm

  23. 55 Linda
    October 22, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    Not sure if this was already posted…..Republican Judge in Tx switches to Dem for re-election bid.

  24. 56 57andfemale
    October 22, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    An update of my experience with ACA:

    I am in that ‘loop’ from the first days. I have recently set up a dedicated email address and will set up a new account. I’m still shopping. Shopping for insurance is daunting and I used to be a paralegal and it’s still intimidating. I still need to talk to my accountant and per Tally’s excellent suggestion, I want to find a licensed agent to answer some of my questions. I also want to talk to a small business advocacy council that is setting up insurance co-ops, but getting to the info has been a little difficult. I like to look at all my options before I buy anything.

    I clicked on an ad for BCBS-IL Exchanges and FINALLY was able to find actual quotes for my age. I have some questions I still need answered. For example, there are ‘gold’ plans that cost more, have double the deductible of certain ‘Silver’ plans, use the same BCBS network (I’m almost positive(!)). 100% coinsurance. A few bucks less on office visits and a few bucks less on a couple of procedures. I’m not sure why the plan costs a lot more. I am missing something. And I do not understand ‘cost-sharing’ which is not the same as subsidies. Or maybe it is. Is a tax credit the same thing as a subsidy going to pay for the premium? Or do I pay the full amount and get a ‘tax credit’ at the end of the year? That makes a HUGE difference, at least for me.

    I still need to talk to my accountant about how my small corporation factors in.

    The good news, however, is very good news: I’m looking at Silver plans at $1,500 deductible with 100% coinsurance, $1,500 out-of-pocket in the $325-$450 range, with subsidies. these plans include my asthma doctor (after all these years) and include the lovely doctor in the neighborhood who is my husband’s primary care doctor. The office is run well, we like it there. If I can use her for my primary care, I will be thrilled.

    Bottom line: I will be paying a LOT less for COMPREHENSIVE care than I pay right now for my meds out of pocket and absolutely no other health care.

    I couldn’t get any plan, for any price until ACA. Hubby (in a Medicare Advantage plan) had a health scare over the weekend, and I cannot convey what a relief it is to be able to get to a doctor, a hospital or ambulance if necessary, without fear. On January 1, I will have the same peace of mind.

    ACA rocks.

    • October 22, 2013 at 4:38 pm

      Obviously, 57, you are experiencing a disconnect between “ACA rocks” and your comment on Kos tnat Sebellius is the “worst administrator ever”. Care to reconcile the 2?

      Listening with open ears/mind.

      • 58 57andfemale
        October 22, 2013 at 5:42 pm

        I think Sebelius is a terrible messenger. I didnt find these quotes at healthcare.gov but from an online ad of bcbs. I still don’t know about the other plans being offered.

        It was clear that GOP was going to make implementation very difficult. Paper applications, the ability to see policies before giving all of your information – these are administrative mess ups. There are always a slew of unanticipated problems. Others are administrative mistakes in judgment.

        the comment you referred to was in reference to whether or not she can change the narrative in the witch hunt hearings. A less than stellar messenger is fine if they are compensated for with other traits.

        I blame Republicans for the sabotage. PBO cannot and should not be the only messenger. I watch John Kerry step up and fill in on every level where he is needed. We needed that kind of administrstor structuring implementation and informing the public of ACA. I do not believe that Sebelius has done that great a job.

        I can easily hold a variety of complex opinions and judgments at one time. Sebelius is not 100% ACA and ACA is not synonymous with Sebelius. Not everything is black and white, all or nothing. I will fight for honest discussions of gray areas here at TOD. I can criticize what I view as failings of Sebelius and still love and wholeheartedly support ACA. I think intellectual honesty has plenty of room for some critical opinions. The choice shouldn’t be, “Website has glitches, ACA sucks!” or, “Everything is Perfect!” Neither is true.

  25. 59 Nena20409
    October 22, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    From the WhiteHouse.gov

  26. 60 Nena20409
    October 22, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    10-22-13 Jay “Clark Kent” Carney’s WH press briefings: Featuring Jason Fruman of the POTUS Econ Institute

    Starting at 18:20

  27. 62 jacquelineoboomer
    October 22, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    Little does Chris Cuomo know that I’d only be up between 5-8 a.m., local, to watch his show for two reasons, one of which would be that I’m due at an airport. And I’m not planning any trips! But guess I’ll DVR it tomorrow, since he (or an intern) gave me his “promise.”

  28. October 22, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    WASHINGTON — Barack Obama and Harry Reid needed to clear the air. The relationship between the president and the Senate majority leader had been deteriorating since 2011, with Reid losing respect for Obama’s ability to negotiate with Republicans and Obama unsure if Reid had as much control over his Senate Democratic caucus as he liked to say. So at the White House’s invitation, the two met in the Oval Office on July 9, with no staff, to talk one on one. It was a cathartic moment, one in which long-buried tensions were fully aired. Aides to the two men tell a similar story: Their boss had been losing confidence in his counterpart and wanted the meeting as a way to buck up the other.

    ……But Democrats held firm. With Pelosi denying Boehner a single vote from her caucus and too many conservatives defecting, the speaker’s last-ditch gambit didn’t even reach the floor. He agreed to let the House vote on whatever the Senate came up with. “You gave everybody a shot,” Pelosi told Boehner over the phone, referring to his efforts to try every plan the tea party proposed. “Now, you’re going to give Congress a shot.” It was an embarrassing setback in a standoff filled with them. And it left McConnell with no leverage at all. The minority leader gamely tried to pull a concession out of Reid, presenting an offer on Tuesday night that would raise the debt ceiling and fund the government in exchange for a delay in the medical device tax, an end of the Treasury Department’s use of extraordinary measures to stave off default, and income verification for Obamacare subsidy recipients.

    Reid dismissed it out of hand.

    Ten minutes later, McConnell called back asking only for income verification. The deal was done. The pact of obstinacy that Reid and Obama struck had paid off.

  29. 71 jacquelineoboomer
    October 22, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Dear Democrats and Independents in New York,

    If Quinnipiac U Poll shows Christie at 62% and Buono at 33%, then somebody
    needs their heads examined in your state, besides Christie.

    Stranger from Illinois

    • 72 Nena20409
      October 22, 2013 at 4:24 pm

      This where having a DNC Chairperson whose sole purpose is to build, organize and get Dems elected Matters.

      Howard Dean……The late Ron Brown or Terry McAuLiffe would have done a better job that Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

      • 73 4morefor44
        October 22, 2013 at 5:00 pm

        what?!? terry single handedly decimated the democratic party in favor of going after big business money and not caring about grassroots at all. the main reason i can’t get too excited about him being virginia gov. i keep hoping all these clinton machine re-treads will just stay in their cushy lobbyist and consultant jobs and stay out of office, but they just keep coming back.

        chris crispy is a media creation and owes any electoral success he may have to that. debbie’s been good for democrats overall.

        • 74 Nena20409
          October 22, 2013 at 5:10 pm

          I am talking about making sure that a Dem candidate has the funds and the support to mount a semi-fair campaign. NJ Dems are divided therefore the current events look like when the Female Gov was running against a Dem…..who was supposed to win but due to severe division, many Black Ministers supported the GOP candidate…..the campaign manager was the same guy that managed Michele Bachmann’s failed presidential bid.

          Debbie W-S is good. But her main goal is not Party building or getting a singular gov’t elected…..as Now in NJ.

    • October 22, 2013 at 5:05 pm

      Shows an extremely low bar, because he didn’t disrespect PBO during Hurricane Sandy. That means his winger agenda is unexamined?

  30. 77 yardarm756
    October 22, 2013 at 4:26 pm



    Three friends married women from different parts of the country.
    The first man married a woman from Indiana. He told her that she was… to do the dishes and house cleaning. It took a couple of days, but on the third day, he came home to see a clean house and dishes washed…
    … and put away.

    The second man married a woman from Alabama. He gave his wife orders to do all the cleaning, wash dishes, and prepare gourmet meals. The first day he didn’t see any results, but the next day he saw it was better. By the third day, he saw his house was clean, the dishes were done, and there was a huge dinner on the table.

    The third man married a girl from Michigan. He ordered her to keep the house cleaned, the dishes washed, the lawn mowed, the laundry washed and ironed, and hot meals on the table for every meal. He said the first day he didn’t see anything, and the second day he didn’t see anything, but by the third day, some of the swelling had gone down and he could see a little out of his left eye, and his arm was healed enough that he could fix himself a sandwich and load the dishwasher. He still has some difficulty when he pees. 😀

  31. 82 jacquelineoboomer
    October 22, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Somebody else tweeted back that he thinks he’s “read the book” already, just by watching Chris’ shows. Too funny. #Enough

  32. October 22, 2013 at 4:32 pm

  33. October 22, 2013 at 4:36 pm

  34. 85 jacquelineoboomer
    October 22, 2013 at 4:38 pm

  35. 86 utaustinliberal
    October 22, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Perfect response to Eric Erickson’s GOP nonsense.

  36. October 22, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    “GOP’s Health Care Predictions Come Up Short”

    By Steve Benen 10/22/13 02:35PM



    Clearly, recent website problems have become a big story, and understandably so, but Republicans can’t exactly claim this as an I-told-you-so moment. For one thing, they never predicted website glitches. For another, the glitches will be fixed and aren’t related to the underlying system.

    But it’s when we look at the GOP’s actual predictions that conservative critics run into trouble:

    • Critics spent three years insisting that premiums in the state health exchanges would cost consumers more money, and that optimistic projections were folly. The opposite turned out to be true.

    • The right was certain that the Affordable Care Act would hurt the economy, in part by undermining full-time employment and forcing more workers into part-time jobs. The share of part-timers who say they usually work between 30 and 34 hours at their main job has been roughly flat over the past three years, at about 28%. The share working just under 30 hours has indeed risen somewhat, but the share working under 25 hours has fallen.

  37. 90 donna dem 4 obama
    October 22, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    I agree with LiberalPhenom I want to know who exactly this is that said this.

    Dick Durbin has this posted on his Facebook page.

    “Many Republicans searching for something to say in defense of the disastrous shutdown strategy will say President Obama just doesn’t try hard enough to communicate with Republicans. But in a “negotiation” meeting with the president, one GOP House Leader told the president: “I cannot even stand to look at you.”

    “What are the chances of an honest conversation with someone who has just said something so disrespectful?”

    • October 22, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    • 92 yardarm756
      October 22, 2013 at 5:23 pm

      Pick anyone of them and you wouldn’t be far off.

    • 93 dotster3
      October 22, 2013 at 5:28 pm

      I note it says House “leader”—-so there’s a bit of a clue. I would like to know who this is also.

    • 94 sherijr
      October 22, 2013 at 5:31 pm

      GD that makes me furious.

    • October 22, 2013 at 5:35 pm

      Donna, words like that should never come out of the mouth of any American in a meeting with any president. They should not come out of the mouth of an any adult in any job-related discussion. These are the kinds of words that come from spoiled children and those so psychologically twisted that they can no longer participate in a civilized society. That the person speaking has so little control of his own words points to a deeply disturbed psyche and an elected representative who is completely unfit to hold any public office in the United States.

      • 96 donna dem 4 obama
        October 22, 2013 at 5:47 pm

        But yet this is what qualifies as a Representative of the U.S. Congress in the Republican Party and our media just looks the other way…Nothing to see here. We must focus your attention on the glitches…the glitches!!!! SMH!

  38. October 22, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    If you didn’t get a chance to see Jason Furman give a report on the effects of the Tea Party shutdown at the top of today’s WH briefing with Jay, please take a minute to watch. Very illuminating. And when the charts come out, please help us spread the word.

  39. 98 Nena20409
    October 22, 2013 at 5:24 pm


    The Republican judge running for reelection in Texas’ Bexar County joined CNN’s Brooke Baldwin Tuesday afternoon to elaborate on his decision to leave the GOP and become a Democrat. Carlo Key did not hesitate to admit that the presence of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) in the Republican Party was “absolutely” a factor in his switch.

    In a video Key released to make his announcement, he said he could no longer be part of a party that “demeans Texans based on their sexual orientation, the color of their skin or their economic status.” Since he also cited the government shutdown as a reason for his change in party, Baldwin asked him about Cruz, who became a crucial player in that fight. “Did the Ted Cruz strategy, what we saw play out in Washington the last couple weeks, really hailed as a hero to a lot of Republicans, did that have any bearing on your decision to quit your party?”

    “I have to say absolutely,” Key replied. “The tea party represents one of the most extreme positions of the Republican Party.” He admitted that in the San Antonio area where he serves as an elected judge “there’s a lot of support” for that movement.

  40. October 22, 2013 at 5:30 pm

  41. 101 Nena20409
    October 22, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    I am a Tad surprised on this…..Joan Walsh calling Ezra Klein and Ryan Lizza out?

    Hmm? Is there a full moon today?


    Walsh wrote on Monday that despite the very troubling problems with the Obamacare website, liberal writers were acting in part out of an overcompensatory need to hold their own side accountable, and to fill the media void left by the end of the government shutdown:


    Her Quotes per the Mediaite piece:

    As predictably as night follows day, on Monday the media establishment pivoted away from obsessing about GOP extremism and the party’s alleged “civil war” to the “train wreck” that is, allegedly, the Affordable Care Act.
    And liberals helped lead the pivot.
    Don’t get me wrong: The problems with Healthcare.gov are real, and disturbing, and must be fixed asap. (Think Progress has a dispassionate assessment here.) But excuse me if I believe the president knows that without my telling him. It’s like watching the 21st century version of the rise of the Democratic Leadership Council, and I feel the way I did back then: On the one hand, yes, it’s important for Democrats to acknowledge when government screws up, and to fix it.
    On the other hand, when liberals rush conscientiously to do that, they only encourage the completely unbalanced and unhinged coverage of whatever the problem may be.
    […] The Washington Post’s great Ezra Klein then picked up the cudgel, telling the crew at MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” where every Obama misstep foretells the end of his presidency, that the Health and Human Services Department is covering up a massive “management failure,” because they had enough pre-launch information to know there were going to be massive problems and neither adjusted their rollout plan or prepared the public.

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