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The Face Of Government

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120 Responses to “The Face Of Government”


  1. 1 Ladyhawke
    October 17, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    I have to admit that I got teary when President Obama thanked his staff and government workers. That was just beautiful and so moving. I love him.

    • 3 Churchlady
      October 17, 2013 at 2:33 pm

      It is long overdue that public employees get recognized for all they give us. I understand how hard and well they work, and only the Dems have been kind to them, protective of them, and supportive throughout all the hard times. People who think they are ‘overpaid’ need to remember most have to pass exams for these jobs and work for less than they might get elsewhere. Public service is honorable. And the people who do it are outstanding. Thank you, Mr. President for acknowledging all these people who serve our needs.

  2. October 17, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    In the words of the poet: “Holla back”.

  3. October 17, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    As a public servant myself, I can say that, yes, some of us are just time servers. But most of us do what we do because we love it. I know that nothing can make my day like helping a patron with a problem and then being thanked profusely. The demonization of public service is one of the Right’s greatest crimes.

  4. 6 jacquelineoboomer
    October 17, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    VP Biden knows dedicated federal workers will do anything for muffins. Been there, done that, at the muffins.

    • 7 jacquelineoboomer
      October 17, 2013 at 1:27 pm

      *ate the muffins.*

      Damn. Hate it when a joke goes bad. Ha! I think I need to go have a muffin!

  5. 8 Linda
    October 17, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    It looks like the media is moving on to Slam the Glitches in the ACA 24/7.

    • 9 hopefruit2
      October 17, 2013 at 1:36 pm

      Well, we were predicting this since two days ago – and we will be prepared to push back.

    • October 17, 2013 at 1:47 pm

      Yes, I heard them already beginning on NPR this morning. Quickly moved to the music station.

    • 11 ERICFIVE
      October 17, 2013 at 1:51 pm

      Of course. Sadly, after any PBO or democratic victory, the MSM will go into attack mode against PBO in an effort to stem the GOP’s losses. They are so predictable. Please don’t let these devils steal your joy. We don’t get many undeniable PR victories over the GOP/MSM. Add to that a surprise victory for a Florida house seat and Bookers big win in the Senate, we should be feeling good and savoring this moment. I have NEVER seen democrats stick together like they did during this TP gov’t shutdown. It feels good to be on the right side of history and see the GOP’s ignorance and bullying defeated in this battle. Of course the GOP/MSM will not give up, but if Democrats make a habit of their new found unity and discipline, we can and will win back the House in 2014. PBO, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are providing Democrats with the best leadership the party has seen in generations.

      • October 17, 2013 at 2:30 pm

        Agree, ericfive, but it’s good to keep in mind that it’s an uphill battle against the forces of the MSM, GOP, SCOTUS and emoprogs.

        Know that people here are tired of seeing what talking heads said today on television, but predictably enough upChuck described the ACA website glitches as a “crisis.”

        I am so sick of the pampered Acela corridor (DC-NYC corridor) making up things and having everyone at the table nod and agree.

        Not to be a broken record, but television anchors and DC correspondents in the 1960s and 1970s were mostly former foreign war correspondents (WWII, Korea and/or Vietnam). They had experience outside the northeast.

        MSM do not have the slightest ability to put events into context. The latest echo-chamber morsel is just as important as the previous one, despite the fact that the GOP’s brinksmanship led to global economic uncertainty/upheaval vs. one delivery system (ACA online) for a program that becomes effective more than 2 months from now.

        I really believe that Americans are really getting tired of the clueless MSM which are becoming more irrelevant every day, since they all proclaim in lockstep exactly the same “Obama in trouble theme of the day.”

        From previous thread (FWIW, Japanese-American female here, who would like to give Nakamura a piece of my mind, e.g., were you not raised to respect your elders and to respect of Office of the President of the United States? etc.)

        • 13 ERICFIVE
          October 17, 2013 at 6:31 pm

          How does allowing a corrupt MSM steal one’s joy improve the situation? I know the GOP will continue to lie and the MSM will continue to carry water for the GOP, but I refuse to allow propaganda to control my emotions or dictate how I see reality. I could care less who this Nakamura person views as “smug” or anything else.

      • October 17, 2013 at 2:34 pm

        I would love just one commentator to ask the question: which provisions do you not like? Not one asks that. Tom Cole this morning, praising Boehner, feeling the shutdown was not necessary, but agrees ACA is a horrible law.

        • October 17, 2013 at 2:55 pm

          The media really are toxic.

          They all jump into the same bandwagon and “report” on that, regardless of what else is happening in the world.

          Only truly historic events (such as the Iran-US diplomacy thaw, the 2011 Japan earthquake/tsunami, etc.) or crime-against-white-woman trial of the week interrupts the MSM’s prepared script.

          For the reason of this week (and beyond, no doubt) the theme is ACA website “crisis” with a little bit of Hillary and Christie 2016 thrown in.

          The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin trail (farce that it was) proved to be summer “entertainment,” but has completely exited the minds of our MSM. Case in point:

        • 17 ERICFIVE
          October 17, 2013 at 6:35 pm

          Why are people obsessing about what this Tom Cole person is saying? He is a GOP member of the House. His party just got embarrassed and he is trying to change the subject and justify the torture his party just put the country through. If we are expecting a situation where the House GOP breaks out in praise of PBO or starts telling the truth, we are surely in for some major disappointment.

    • 18 Churchlady
      October 17, 2013 at 2:39 pm

      Healthcare.gov is working fine and has been each time I’ve checked over the past week plus. What IS the MSM’s problem?

  6. 19 cookemom
    October 17, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Typing my greeting on the last thread, when this one appeared. So as not to let a perfectly good greeting go to waste, here it is:

    “Well howdy there all you O’s!!!! What a great getting up day again on the TOD landscape!!! I missed PBO’s speech, but I did catch some MSNBC pundit recaps and reading the tweets, it sounds like he did yet another yeoman’s job in getting the country back on track. What I admire so much about PBO is his impeccable patience and timing; his focus and ability to see the big picture; the way he is able to address the issues, brush his shoulders off, and then move on to the next concern. He said what had to be said, to those who needed to hear it.”

  7. 22 amk for obama
    October 17, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    wow. Hope this turns out to be true on voting day.

    • 23 Ladyhawke
      October 17, 2013 at 1:38 pm

      here’s more – the stories got legs big time.

      POLL: Mitch McConnell Now Trails Alison Lundergan Grimes In Kentucky

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      “Senator McConnell remains the ‘Guardian of Gridlock,’ just as he has for the last 30 years,” Grimes spokeswoman Charly Norton said in a statement released Thursday. ”It is an embarrassment that McConnell waited until the 11th hour to stop the manufactured crisis that he and members of Congress created. It is not heroic for Mitch McConnell to do his job and reopen the government. He may think this is a winning strategy, but Kentuckians now have to pay for Mitch McConnell’s Washington dysfunction.”

      The senior senator has still presided over more filibusters than any minority leader in history, even once filibustering his own bill.

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      http://www.nationalmemo.com/poll-mitch-mcconnell-now-trails-alison-lundergan-grimes-in-kentucky/

    • 25 COS
      October 17, 2013 at 1:39 pm

      When is Rand Paul up for re-election?

    • 28 Vicki
      October 17, 2013 at 2:02 pm

      Wow. magnificent news.

    • 29 Lovepolitics2008
      October 17, 2013 at 2:42 pm

      I’m grateful that Senator McConnell put the country before himself in the last few days. HOWEVER, he has to pay the price for the CONSCIOUS, CYNICAL decision to oppose EVERYTHING proposed by the President from the FIRST day he took office.

      The Bush presidency had been so disastrous; republican governance had done so much damage on so many levels. And these guys didn’t have the DECENCY to help the courageous man who had accepted the gigantic task of repairing THEIR mess.

      I want them to pay the price. I want them to witness the triumph of a man who has been the epitome of decency, courage, and statesmanship. I want them to witness the total success of a presidency they hoped would fail.

      It’s not about vengeance. I still have some place in my heart for wishing them to grow up and acknowledge how wrong they have been. No, it’s not about vengeance.

      It’s about JUSTICE.

  8. October 17, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    🙂

  9. 36 57andfemale
    October 17, 2013 at 1:42 pm

  10. 37 Linda
    October 17, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    A 1 % raise kicks in for Federal Workers on 1-1-2014 because the shutdown deal did not stop it.

    They blocked it earlier…but since the new deal left it out and goes until 1-15-2014 it will automatically kick in.

    They would have to pass legislation to stop it.

  11. 38 cookemom
    October 17, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Gird your loins, the next shiny object will be the ACA computer glitches. The coverage will not be for the faint of heart. Just remember, we all know by now that controversy drives the clicks and eyeballs to media outlets. They will interview everyone from self proclaimed computer experts, to the janitor who used a computer once, to the guy who skateboards with his tablet and iPhone dangling from his belt. Software developers will come out of the woodwork.

    We should be mindful that to get all in a knot over the coverage will only lead to shoes thrown at our valuable TVs, high blood pressure, tooth erosion from the gnashing, and a feeling of morose. Be encouraged though, ACA will fix all those issues…..with the exception of replacing your TV, and perhaps dental care.

    Seriously, we know that by the time the roll out is complete, there will be provisions to enroll in ACA for those who qualify to have it.

    • 39 Churchlady
      October 17, 2013 at 2:40 pm

      I do NOT get this ‘total fail’ meme – I go to healthcare.gov often for friends. It works fine. What IS their problem?

      • 40 cookemom
        October 17, 2013 at 2:44 pm

        me too. I haven’t had a problem. Certain states are having a harder time than others. It seems those states who have their own systems in place aren’t having the problems. then again they dont have to set up systems to handle stuff at the national level.

        • October 17, 2013 at 2:50 pm

          Sounds like a bunch of b.s. to me. I’m getting as bad as those conspiracy nuts, I guess, but I have difficulty believing that the organization that set up the most kickass database in history is having a problem. Somebody set up the system for the Internal Revenue Service and Medicare. But if someone threw a little monkey-wrench into the system…well.

    • October 17, 2013 at 2:59 pm

      See above, Linda started a discussion on this predictable trend by our useless and corrupt MSM.

      • 43 cookemom
        October 17, 2013 at 3:53 pm

        Yes and my point is knowing this, it does us no apparent good to get all up in arms about the coverage. We are preaching to the choir cause we know it’s just their way to keep ratings and clicks. They should be asking experts about solutions, instead they interview them to talk about failures. They could emphasize the many people who will be helped by ACA, once it’s up and working, rather than to harp on issues like ease of operation. They could educate by advising there are phone lines open for those with problems. So you see, we know what they’re doing is wrong. That’s why I said the coverage won’t be for the faint of heart, and it shouldn’t let it cause us undo emotional strife.

    • 44 nospin
      October 17, 2013 at 4:57 pm

      Hey Cookemom – if that is the latest meme then I have to say it is just silly. There is no problem with the ACA site. They already worked out the kinks. However, if this meme drives more people to the website… whatever. Maybe more will sign up sooner rather than later.

      No one who needs health care is going to say… I don’t want to sign up for Obamacare because the website that allows me to regiser has glitches. That is not going to happen.

  12. 45 Nena20409
    October 17, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Almost Time for James “Jay” “Clark Kent” Carney to brief the WHPC

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/live

    http://www.c-span.org/Events/Daily-White-House-Press-Briefing/10737442126-1/

    A Great Afternoon to TODers everywhere 😉

  13. 46 donna dem 4 obama
    October 17, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Hello TOD!

    I was taking a look at the special election turnout in NJ yesterday.

    NJ has based on the 2010 census 8.7 Million people. Of these, there are 6.7 Million who are of voting age or older (in other words the voting electorate).

    In the 2012 Presidential election we had 3.3 Million people turn out to vote (even in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy). This is about 50% of the voting electorate. I find the percentage that actually votes somewhat pathetic but it is what it is!! 🙄 PBO got 58% of the vote and Romney 41%.

    Last night in the 2013 special election (on a Wednesday and in the midst of a government shutdown and debt ceiling crisis) we got 1.3 Million voters. Booker got 55% of the vote and That other guy got 44% of the vote. As you can see these percentages are not that far from what PBO got in a general election year. So don’t believe any of the pundits or talking heads that claim that the Repubs are making headway in NJ because they are NOT!!

    The problem is turnout… Only 19% of the electorate came out last night. There could have been factors because of what was happening in DC and the timing of this special election but this was a highly publicized election that had National implications so I think everyone pretty much knew that this was going on and the importance of voting.

    My question is what is it going to take to get Dems to understand the importance of voting in every election???

    What good is it to stand in lines for hours to get a President elected but don’t give him the supporting role players he will need to carry out his agenda? It’s not enough for us to feel good about having President Obama in the White House, we wanted him there because we share his political values. We see ourselves in him. We trust his judgement and we want him to be successful because we understand that his success is our success. But he is only one branch of government. He can’t wave a magic wand and just make things happen.

    In the 90’s Bill Clinton was good at giving speeches and he was often an inspiration to Democrats to GOTV but he can’t hold a candle to President Obama. No one inspires this nation and especially Democrats like PBO does. How do we harness that likability and passion for this man into actual votes when he is not at the top of the ticket? This is the 64 million dollar question. Honestly we had better come up with an answer to this question before next years mid-terms because we cannot afford another 2 years of the crazies. I would hope that the events of the last two weeks by the nutjobs on the right would be all the inspiration we need. Only time will tell…

    I’ll be keeping an eye on the Virginia governors race here next month to see if all those government workers who live in Va and were just personally affected by the actions of the crazies get off their butts and go stand in line and vote like their life depends on it because these recent days have proven that in fact it does.

    • 47 57andfemale
      October 17, 2013 at 2:00 pm

      thanks, Donna. I’ve been looking for these stats (I had read 15% but that may have been premature).

      19% is effing pathetic. this is an institutional, generational, long term war ahead of us. The only reason Republicans have any of the power they have is because Democrats. Stay. Home.

      • 48 donna dem 4 obama
        October 17, 2013 at 2:03 pm

        Yep!

        8.7 Million people in N.J.
        6.7 Million of voting age.
        3.3 Million voted in 2012
        1.3 Million voted last night. We have got to find a way to get through to these people. It frustrates me to no end!!!

        • 49 57andfemale
          October 17, 2013 at 2:04 pm

          Well, I think you know I share your frustration!

        • 50 Nena20409
          October 17, 2013 at 2:09 pm

          Dems Need an active Dem Party.

          The TBGOPers are always having symposiums, conferences, some sort of activities that are televised on c-span, etc. Dems need A DNC chairperson whose sole job is building the party and organizing the party loyalists.

          • 51 donna dem 4 obama
            October 17, 2013 at 2:15 pm

            I completely agree.. and in addition they have conservative talk radio and Fox News. These are all propaganda arms of the Republican Party. As was once said, “Republicans fall in line and Democrats fall in love”. Our opposition doesn’t need to be handheld to the polls like we do. They just go do it!

            My hope is that after these two weeks of torture that Dems will feel compelled to get off the sideline and be motivated to vote these nuts out of office next year.

        • 52 GGail
          October 17, 2013 at 2:15 pm

          Donna – I know exactly how you feel ! I look around at the people in my middle/lower class neighborhood, where many are receiving state/federal assistance and yet, they don’t feel the need to be aware of where the money comes from and then they complain when the resources get reduced or cut-off. “The government sucks” they say and I say, are you involved? or do you just have your hand out?

    • 53 cookemom
      October 17, 2013 at 2:17 pm

      I think it may also have to do with Booker being projected to win by a large margin. If so, then people think, ‘oh well he’s gonna win anyway so I’ll just watch Survivor.’ One of the reasons Christie went for the special election as opposed to having Booker on the ticket with him running for governor is because he didn’t want to risk a large Dem turnout that would impact him. I don’t know, but maybe more folks would have turned out if the governor’s race was on the ballot. Then there’s the fact that organizations like ACORN have been marginalized to non-existence. Their GOTV efforts in urban areas was valuable. While OFA is powerful in GOTV, they may not get down in the real urban areas like a ACORN could.

      • 54 57andfemale
        October 17, 2013 at 2:26 pm

        All excuses. Republicans know if they throw up the slightest roadblock, we’ll not bother to vote. The LEAST Dem’s can do is take an hour out of their lives and VOTE.

        We are ceding our government to a small sliver of sociopaths and it’s our own damned fault. They vote. They ALWAYS vote. We represent that vast majority of Americans but no amount of whining matters unless we show we give a damn at the polls.

        This is a generational battle. The only way we right this ship is by voting. One of the reasons Republicans spew their nonsense is because they bank on the fact that we won’t show a strong enough presence.

        For all those who love PBO, the most important thing that can be done for him and his legacy is for us to change America back to progressive ideas and a moral, strong government.

        Every effing two years. Just vote.

      • 55 donna dem 4 obama
        October 17, 2013 at 2:27 pm

        You make a valid point and this is why I’m keeping an eye on Virginia because if the turnout there is lethargic then I’ll have to conclude that Democrats still don’t “get it”. I hope the small turnout in N.J. was a timing and inevitability issue for Booker and not a business as usual voting bloc. I guess I’m expecting people to be mad as hell and maybe they are but it just hasn’t had a chance to manifest itself quite yet. Again, time will tell…

    • October 17, 2013 at 2:58 pm

      Donna, every government worker who went back to work today needs to remember who caused this disruption. On Nov 5 that means voting early and in record numbers to defeat Cuccinelli. Northern Virginia can pull the whole state along if the turnout is high. I hope the McAuliffe organization is out in full force for GOTV in Northern Virginia counties and in every area of the state where the government worker population is high.

    • 57 vcprezofan2
      October 17, 2013 at 3:16 pm

      Yes, I know the tweet should say, ‘then not VOTING for’. There wasn’t enough space – hopefully peeps will still get the message. 😉

      Thanks for your clearly expressed concern, DD4O. I wonder if you would consider sharing this very viewpoint you’ve shared here with the DCCC, DCC and OFA etc. You always make very good points, and I think you are in a position to whisper this one in others ears (as well as in ours) that could do something pro-active with it.

      • 58 vcprezofan2
        October 17, 2013 at 3:25 pm

        Or the new, improved version [Apologies for the trial and error – One day I’ll graduate from techie problems school….*I* hope.]

  14. 59 Nena20409
    October 17, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain-gohmert-has-no-intelligence

    On Wednesday, McCain said Gohmert had “no intelligence” in response to Gohmert’s charge that McCain is an al-Qaeda supporter.

    • 60 Lovepolitics2008
      October 17, 2013 at 2:48 pm

      This is a positive development to see some republican elders finally tell the truth about the ignorance of some of their colleagues. Now, senator McCain, you have to do something more difficult: acknowledge that you, yourself, gave power to ignorance and stupidity in choosing a totally unqualified woman for your VP.

      • 61 Nena20409
        October 17, 2013 at 3:10 pm

        Lets HOPE that it is lasting.

        Ugly…..heart…..Orrin Hatch called out “Radical Heritage” his verbiage, not mine.

        This man was the late Teddy Kennedy’s best friend in the senate and since Jan 20, 2009……he has been awful, predictable and mean to the 10th degree.

      • 62 57andfemale
        October 17, 2013 at 3:21 pm

        I’ve seen Grampy lurch from position to position. I hope he exerts some real control but I won’t be surprised if he doesn’t.

        • 63 misspat
          October 17, 2013 at 3:43 pm

          Grandpa is evolving. Thanks maybe to his beautiful, smart daughter-in law. Boner now, he is hopeless. He is not evolving at all although he has a Black new son-in-law.

          • 64 HZ
            October 17, 2013 at 8:27 pm

            Misspat, I was just speaking these truths to a dear friend a few days ago about gramps and Boner. I am praying and hoping that the beautiful and smart daughter-in-law of gramps McCain will hurry and have a few grandbabies for gramps so he can start facing real reality everytime he picks up one of his new beautiful grandbabies.

            As for Boner, I hope his daughter will give her daddy a few grandbabies as well. Maybe he will come to a reality and also stop crying so much and give the babies their crying time. And I really do mean this in a very nice way. The grand children (in a lot of these families) really does make a believer out of these old grumpy old men.HZ

  15. 65 57andfemale
    October 17, 2013 at 2:02 pm

  16. 66 Nena20409
    October 17, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/new-jersey-state-senate-candidate-when-my-opponent-approaches-you-go-back-inside-and-get-your-gun

    “When someone’s been elected for 30 years and he comes knocking on your door and tells you, ‘Listen, this is what I want to do to help you,’ quickly close your door, go inside,” Balles said.

    A member of the audience quickly interjected, “And get your gun!”

    Balles quickly responded, “And get your gun, exactly!”

    ///// this guy should be in another line of work? In NJ? Seriously?/////

  17. 67 Linda
    October 17, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    There is Lil Luke once again praising Boehner……..

    I think he will come to regret saying he has a close personal relationship with Speaker Boehner.

    Get him twitter brigade……

    • 68 Nena20409
      October 17, 2013 at 2:14 pm

      Linda, Luke does have a personal relationship with the Boehner…….weeks ago, Boehner was telling Luke publically to get a hair cut. This I thought was odd. This showed me that Luke should NEVER be trusted with any reporting on the Crusty Orange Man.

      His late Dad was not known to be palling around with Pols in DC. His Dad worked for the late sen Moynihan from NY.

  18. October 17, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Waited for the President this morning, but couldn’t wait any longer. I had to leave for work. I missed the whole thing. Hope to catch up soon.

  19. October 17, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    “Over the past two days, we’ve had serious and substantive discussions with our P5 counterparts and with Iran. We had detailed technical discussions at a level we have not had before. And we discussed concrete steps and actions that are necessary for Iran to address the international community’s concerns about its nuclear program. “Iran addressed what they saw as the objective, what should be in a final step, and what they might do as a first step. This is a framework that the P5+1 has used for some time. Although there remain many differences in each area and in what sanctions relief might be appropriate, specific and candid discussions took place. “Throughout this process, the P5+1 has remained united, as we always have. “We also had our first bilateral meeting at the political director level with the Iranians during the P5+1 since 2009, when then Political Director, Under Secretary Bill Burns sat down with Saeed Jalili right here in Geneva. Our discussion bilaterally yesterday was a useful one.

    “There is more work – much more work – to do, as we knew there would be. We have always said that there would be no agreement overnight, and we’ve been clear that this process is going to take some time. The issues are complex, very technical, and require sound verification. Any agreement has to give the United States and the world every confidence that Iran will not acquire a nuclear weapon.

    • 75 57andfemale
      October 17, 2013 at 3:26 pm

      No wonder Hillary is getting petty about her version of events re: bin Laden. Kerry is an amazing SoS and Hillary needs that cred.

      In all fairness, this was not Hillary’s Dream Job, and it most definitely is John Kerry’s dream job. I think even more than being President, he wants to be a SoS who makes a difference.

  20. 76 Nena20409
    October 17, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    Guys This is Soooooooooooooooooo sweeeeeet Inky the Helper of an older dog 😉

    • 77 Nena20409
      October 17, 2013 at 2:35 pm

      Now if Only those in DC…..Congress can be taught to remember that they need to work this way to help pass bills that help ALL Americans.

    • 78 57andfemale
      October 17, 2013 at 2:42 pm

      That is soooo sweet. Reminds me of my Nickelby, who would watch over my Pilgrim like a hawk in case he had a seizure. He’d come running for Mommy. He cared for him until the day we lost him.

  21. October 17, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    After GOP total capitulation, as President Obama predicted, the fever has broken.

    • 80 cookemom
      October 17, 2013 at 2:47 pm

      The only problem is that the so-called new members hate his guts, don’t believe him, and are leading the effort to primary him. His only hope is to appeal to the folks back home as a sane elder statesman. Then again, he’s got a Dem challenger who’s doing pretty well in the polls. Poor McSadTurtle, he’s between a rock and a teabag.

      • 81 57andfemale
        October 17, 2013 at 3:28 pm

        Well, he wasn’t the elder statesman yesterday. He could have taken the high road, showed unity. Instead he took lying pot shots at ACA and how wonderful sequester cuts were and there are going to be more. McTurtle ain’t no statesman.

  22. October 17, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    Hi all! Someone may have already posted this, if so, I apologize for being redundant. I’ve been in and out and it is a couple of days old, but it bears a repeat for anyone who may have missed it.

    Judge in Landmark Case Disavows Support for Voter ID

    One of the landmark cases in which such requirements were affirmed… was decided at the Seventh Circuit in an opinion written by Judge Posner in 2007 and upheld by the Supreme Court in 2008.

    In a new book, “Reflections on Judging,” Judge Posner, a prolific author who also teaches at the University of Chicago Law School, said, “I plead guilty to having written the majority opinion” in the case…..

    Asked whether the court had gotten its ruling wrong, Judge Posner responded: “Yes. Absolutely.” Back in 2007, he said, “there hadn’t been that much activity in the way of voter identification,” and “we weren’t really given strong indications that requiring additional voter identification would actually disenfranchise people entitled to vote.” The member of the three-judge panel who dissented from the majority decision, Terence T. Evans, “was right,” Judge Posner said.

    The dissent by Judge Evans, who died in 2011, began, “Let’s not beat around the bush: The Indiana voter photo ID law is a not-too-thinly-veiled attempt to discourage election-day turnout by certain folks believed to skew Democratic.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/16/us/politics/judge-in-landmark-case-disavows-support-for-voter-id.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1381905375-ED0EgB6Z7qtaGFq7xQ3toQ&

    Can’t stick around, but I’ll be back looking for someone to tell me what the hell is wrong with the people in New Jersey? I just don’t get the fascination with Christie. Is it me?

    • 84 57andfemale
      October 17, 2013 at 3:30 pm

      I saw this earlier and got distracted by pesky work.

      Thanks for the “I’m sorry”. Same thing from Sandra Day O’Connor about Bush v. Gore. A hell of a lot of good that does us now. But it still is a stunning admission.

    • 85 57andfemale
      October 17, 2013 at 3:31 pm

      There is a NJ culture that idolizes thugs and bullying strength. God knows, that’s all Christie has going for him.

  23. October 17, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    1. Economic excuse…….

    2. Republican downgrade……..

    3. National security……..

    4. The value of government. What happened in 1995 and 1996 has happened again: Closing the government has made Americans miss it…..

  24. 87 Nena20409
    October 17, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Twerking Robot?

    Hilarious. Wow…..

  25. 89 vcprezofan2
    October 17, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    I am currently listening to the President’s speech (thanks TOD – BTs), and I’m so pleased with the way Pres O has drawn his listeners’ attention to the work to be done in government by drawing a repeated parallel to the fact that there is ‘stuff’ already passed by the Senate, that the House can address. I particularly like his repetition of the fact that House members with ideas to improve any of these Acts are welcome to do so! /wishful thinking/ I hope one or two Republicans get the message.

  26. October 17, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Wow, Jay just walked out on that guy from Fox hammering him about BENGHAZI.

    • October 17, 2013 at 3:11 pm

      Benghazi???

      On the same day that the WH correspondents were stunned into silence by our President, who said that the #GOPshutdown results in less secure embassies/consulates?

      Why are GOP teflon pols? Why doesn’t reducing funding to protect our overseas staff have no effect on the trumped up Benghazi claims?

  27. October 17, 2013 at 2:54 pm

  28. 93 africa
    October 17, 2013 at 3:14 pm

  29. 94 africa
    October 17, 2013 at 3:26 pm

  30. 95 africa
    October 17, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    • 96 57andfemale
      October 17, 2013 at 3:38 pm

      I turned on msnbc for the first time in months yesterday during the votes. I was appalled at the contortions they were going through to make this a win for Boehner. It was stunning. Chris Shays, former R congressman from CT as the alleged ‘moderate’ was shameful. A little pushback from Richard Wolffe but nowhere near enough.

      Baby Luke was obnoxious with his man crush on Boehner. It was embarrassing. Now the tea party LOVES Boehner, and he is ’emboldened’. And seriously, bragging about your ‘personal relationship with Boehner’? Why don’t you just get him to autograph your beer bottle and STFU.

      So even though AJAM is not pleasing me with their regular news coverage (plenty of sneering) it’s nowhere near as bad as msnbc.

  31. 97 Nena20409
    October 17, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/nbcs-luke-russert-fox-news-prematurely-declare-rep-bill-young-dead_b200379

    NBC News correspondent Luke Russert and Fox News anchor Gretchen Carlson seemingly got ahead of the news this afternoon, reporting that Rep. Bill Young (R-FL) had died, when in fact he is gravely ill.

    ////// Lil Luke as one wrote Up thread is Not good at his Job..

    • 98 57andfemale
      October 17, 2013 at 3:45 pm

      As I said yesterday, if his name was Smith he’d be mowing lawns instead of hogging a mike.

      Although he really should know that a tweet requires verification before you ‘report’ it. I expect that kind of idiocy from Gretchen Carlson.

  32. October 17, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    OMG, this is truly disgusting!

  33. 109 africa
    October 17, 2013 at 3:38 pm

  34. 110 GGail
    October 17, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    I just saw this and found it funny:
    “Republican Party = Weapon of Mass Economic Destruction”

  35. October 17, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    President Obama plans to announce his intention to nominate Jeh Johnson, who served as the Defense Department’s general counsel during the administration’s first term, at a White House ceremony tomorrow, one of the sources said.

    Johnson, a well-known and trusted figure in the Obama White House, was a central player in many of the administration’s most sensitive national security and counterterrorism policies, including the ramping up of the drone program, the revival of military commissions to try suspected terrorists, and the repeal of the Defense Department’s ban on gays serving openly in the armed forces.

  36. 114 Bill R.
    October 17, 2013 at 3:55 pm

  37. 116 Jovie
    October 17, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    I think in 2012 the president win Nj by 10 or. 11 same as booker won by.
    Which means they didn’t show up either .
    Food for thought.

    • 117 japa21
      October 17, 2013 at 4:03 pm

      Thing is, low voter trunout and Booker still won by double digits. Increased tunout is always a plus for Democrats and in the Gubenatorial election in a few weeks, there will be larger turnout. Booker is already out there campaigning with the Dem candidate. Christie hoped that by have the Senate eection on a different day than his he would accomplish 2 things:
      1. Give Lonegan a chance of winning d/t lower turnout and
      2. Reduce turnout for the governor’s election because Booker would not be a drawing card.

      We already know number 1 didn’t work and hopefully the same will be true for number 2.

    • 118 57andfemale
      October 17, 2013 at 4:19 pm

      I think PBO won by 15 or 16.

  38. 119 GGail
    October 17, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    VC……where are you?

  39. 120 Jovie
    October 17, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    GOP’s McConnell promises no more shutdowns over ObamaCare
    Alexander Bolton – 10/17/13 02:23 PM ET
    Sen. Mitch McConnell told The Hill he will not allow another government shutdown in January.…


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