A Meeting Of Adults


President Barack Obama meets with House Democratic leaders in the Oval Office at the White House


President Obama’s interview with WABC-TV, New York City. [Conducted before 12PM ET…events are still fluid]



President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden meet with the House Democratic Leadership including, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, Rep. Jame Clyburn, Rep. Xavier Becerra, Rep. Steve Crowley, House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, Rep. Chris Chris Van Hollen and Rep. Steve Israel, during a meeting on the debt limit in the Oval Office



President Barack Obama listens as House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi speaks



President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden meet with the House Democratic Leadership




House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) speaks to the media following a meeting with President Barack Obama on the debt limit and reopening the government


136 Responses to “A Meeting Of Adults”

  1. 1 Nena20409
    October 15, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    I am going for it…..To Leave TODers a Message:

    Hello TOD 😉

  2. 4 Vicki
    October 15, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    If you are interested in who Jim De Mint really is please see my comment late on the last thread and see if it is illuminating for you today.

    • 5 Nena20409
      October 15, 2013 at 6:24 pm

      Do bring it over so many can see it Vicki

      • 6 Vicki
        October 15, 2013 at 6:30 pm

        Apologies, Nena. I am a dunce electronically, so no can do.

        • October 15, 2013 at 6:36 pm

          Here’ya go, Vicki.

          October 15, 2013 at 6:18 pm

          It is getting even clearer. Coup d’etat.

          Some historical contest that may clarify what’s what for anyone still baffled.

          Early in President Obama’s first term there was a military coup in Honduras. The Military came to the Presidential Palace in the middle of the night and President Zelaya was taken, in his pajamas, to Costa Rica.
          The USA, protecting its own interests, decided to support Zelaya verbally but not to do anything else.

          Jim De Mint, on the other hand, went to Honduras ON HIS OWN—against the wishes of the US gov’t especially against John Kerry his fellow senator and Chairman of the Foreign relations Committee.

          He went to Honduras to stand with the RW Military. That is who he is.
          De Mint and his fellow travelers revere RW dictators like Pol Pot mainly for those dictators relentless cruelty in imposing their will on their populations.
          They believe in gaining power by any means necessary.

          President Obama knows all this and in some measure has probably expected this day to come.

          Our President is one very smart and tough guy. I love my President. I trust him and stand with him whatever he decides is the best way forward for our country.

  3. 9 Nena20409
    October 15, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Now those are all Gorgeous photographs, especially, the Very 1st Photograph.

  4. October 15, 2013 at 6:25 pm

  5. 11 vcprezofan2
    October 15, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Well, it is to be hoped the adults will be allowed to do what adults do – get this sorted out.

  6. 12 donna dem 4 obama
    October 15, 2013 at 6:27 pm

  7. 13 utaustinliberal
    October 15, 2013 at 6:27 pm

  8. October 15, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    For me, WABC Eyewitness News will ALWAYS mean these two:

  9. 15 Nena20409
    October 15, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Leader Pelosi was Speaker for 4 yrs. Did her job with great distinction.

    Weeper John Boehner? Truly su*ks at his job. Yet the media and many in DC are trying their best to cover for him. Now my question is: What is John Boehner holding over these people to continue to cover for him? Is there The Boehner Mafia?

  10. October 15, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Congrats on 1st Nena!!

    Very well done, UT!!!!


  11. October 15, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    No two ways about it. We are now in a fight to do way more than prevent default.


    • October 15, 2013 at 6:37 pm

      I just got on; what do you think is going on at this point Bob?

      • October 15, 2013 at 7:11 pm

        Everyone is realizing that President Obama knows exactly what is at stake and he is going to take the battle to them. The details will unfold in the next 24 h.


        • October 15, 2013 at 7:27 pm

          Should be one hell of a wild ride. You think he knew this was coming sooner or later?

          • 24 Vicki
            October 15, 2013 at 7:32 pm

            Absolutely, Sherry. President Obama served in the Senate with De Mint. The President knows who his opponents are and what they are likely to do.
            Good time for the old cool photo of POTUS in shades saying I Got This.

          • October 15, 2013 at 7:42 pm

            Yes, Sherry, he’s known ever since his re-election that this day would come. The GOP made it abundantly clear when, since March, with a budget passed in both the House and Senate, they refused to go to Conference.

            I also think that some number of House and Senate Republicans (and, probably quite a few ‘Establishment’ Republicans) know that it is in the best interest of the Republican Party that President Obama not allow a minority to prevail. The Presidency would become untenable unless both Houses of Congress and the Executive Branch were controlled by the same party.

            So, unless your objective is to destroy American Democracy, you have to be grateful that the current President facing this coup d’etat is Barack Obama.


  12. 26 Nena20409
    October 15, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    Now Elephants are flying……Darrell Issa…..perhaps he now worried about his Millions now?


  13. 27 susanne
    October 15, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    what does soon-to-be-speaker nancy pelosi mean by ‘let them sow their oats’?

  14. 28 donna dem 4 obama
    October 15, 2013 at 6:36 pm

  15. 29 Nena20409
    October 15, 2013 at 6:38 pm


    “The problem that we’ve got is that for Speaker Boehner for example, him negotiating with me isn’t necessarily good for the extreme faction in his caucus. It weakens him,” Obama said in an interview with WABC. “So there have been repeated situations where we have agreements then he goes back and it turns out that he can’t control his caucus.”

  16. 31 utaustinliberal
    October 15, 2013 at 6:39 pm

  17. 37 Nena20409
    October 15, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    The NY Mayoral debate for those interested will be shown live starting at 7PM ET on the NY ABC 7

  18. 38 dotster3
    October 15, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Apologize for the dkos link, but I can’t believe these 7 shameful Dems voted with the tea party in the House today to deny a vote

    • 39 hopefruit2
      October 15, 2013 at 7:16 pm

      These few red-state Democrats are not the problem. And the less time we spend focusing on them, the better off we will be.

      The BLAME should go fairly and squarely to John Boehner and his TeaBaggers. John Boehner is 3rd in line for the Presidency and he cannot and will not reign in the extremist factions in his party because the entire GOP is beholden to corporate extremists who want PBO to fail.

      • 40 Vicki
        October 15, 2013 at 7:29 pm

        Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes and Yes.
        ALL blame and fingerpointing to Republicans.

      • 41 4morefor44
        October 15, 2013 at 7:33 pm

        excellent, hf! completely agree. i’d say equal blame goes to republicans for being evil, and then “the news” for providing cover for their lies. if we had an actual press anymore, they’d never be able to get away with their insanity.

      • 42 Betsy
        October 15, 2013 at 7:56 pm

        You are so right.

  19. 43 Alycee (@jazziz2)
    October 15, 2013 at 6:49 pm

  20. October 15, 2013 at 6:49 pm


  21. 46 Dudette
    October 15, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Bwahahahahahaha!!!! 😀

  22. October 15, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    In case some of you have forgotten…a little refresher on Jim Demint. As head of “Conservatives for Patient’s Rights”, in July 2009, he organized 104 conservative activists for a conference call dealing with health care reform. During the call, Sen. Jim DeMint offered,

    “If we’re able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him.”

    Most people know that Waterloo refers to the defeat and fall of Napoleon at the Battle of Waterloo. The term represents a final crushing defeat…”he met his Waterloo”. On the other hand, the reference to “breaking” him is an old Southern term that referred to a Master’s ability to arrest the rebellious spirit of a slave and bring him to submission.

    I figure old Demint is feeling “beat” in more ways than one.

    Dudette, I think this is where you play “The Hunter Gets Captured by the Game”. 🙂

    • 50 Dudette
      October 15, 2013 at 7:04 pm

      Having lived in Georgia as I long as I have, I know that snake from SC quite well. Apparently it wasn’t enough for him to just leave Congress, go quietly, make his dirty money and leave the rest of us alone. Oh no. Well, I hope PBO crushes him and his slimy benefactors into the ground.

      • October 15, 2013 at 7:05 pm

        This was actually his plan all along. It’s why he left the Senate.

        • 53 Vicki
          October 15, 2013 at 7:12 pm

          Fully agree with Meta and Dudette.

        • 54 vcprezofan2
          October 15, 2013 at 7:45 pm

          Do you know who did a video about Demint’s influence and involvement in the current shutdown? I thought it was Maddow, but i went looking and didn’t find it. It was one in which the group Demint leads was discussed and its connecting arms highlighted, etc. etc.

          If anyone can lay hands on this without too much sweat, It would be a nice time to share it.

          • October 15, 2013 at 8:04 pm

            Don’t know, but I sure want to see it.

            • 56 vcprezofan2
              October 15, 2013 at 8:08 pm

              I wish I could remember – all I remember is how the journo showed Demint’s clear connection to each aspect of the fight to destroy ACA. If it crosses my path again I’ll be sure to share.

          • October 15, 2013 at 8:07 pm

            There was a graphic of DeMint and Heritage tentacles that someone tweeted a few days ago and I’ve been looking for that, too, without any luck.

            • 58 vcprezofan2
              October 15, 2013 at 8:16 pm

              Something will surface soon, Meta. I honestly can’t even remember if what I saw was a video or an article. That’s the problem I have because I tend to follow all links then forget them a second or two after If I don’t expressly save them. 🙄

      • 59 yardarm756
        October 15, 2013 at 7:51 pm

        Watch him. Those mofo’s are up to something. I’ve been hearing “impeachment” murmurs and I ain’t likin’ it one bit. 😦

    • 60 Vicki
      October 15, 2013 at 7:10 pm

      Faypax, I hope I am wrong but I don’t see DeMint feeling beaten any time soon. Rachel celebrated when DeMint left the Senate, thinking that ended his influence. Obviously, it didn’t.
      De Mint will lose this round but he and his band of destroyers will keep at it.
      For them this is a zero sum game that they haven’t won yet.
      By any means necessary is their credo.
      I think they will hound our President every second of the next 3+years. To thee folks they Never lose. they just haven’t achieved total victory yet.

      The threat they present is to our entire system of representative democracy.
      Again, I sure hope I’m wrong about this.

    • October 15, 2013 at 7:22 pm

      Totally off-topic, but thought this might make you feel better about Kansas.

      (Ravanchi is the deputy foreign minister for Iran)

      • October 15, 2013 at 7:28 pm

        Was that for me Arapaho?….I don’t feel better…clicking heels….I want to go home! 🙂
        Passed a caravan of six or seven pickups today, all flying Confederate flags. Amurka is going to hell in a handbasket.

        • October 15, 2013 at 8:13 pm

          Oh dear.


          Just so excited to a journalist who isn’t an Ivy League grad. The US has hundreds of great Universities that aren’t part of the Ivy League.

          • October 16, 2013 at 4:35 am

            Okay, you just lost me, but I certainly agree. The Ivy Leagues are old and have lots and lots of money. I have friends and family who have crawled through all of them…they aren’t any brighter than anyone else. In fact, some of them are downright dumb. 🙂

  23. 66 Dudette
    October 15, 2013 at 6:58 pm

  24. October 15, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    Good Evening TODers! The posts are coming so fast, trying to play catch up is almost a losing battle. [sigh]

    As I read about the continuing saga of the GOP’s terrorist attack on the government and the economy, it’s as if I’m reading some work of fiction… a dystopian novel where you think the actions and events are conceivable, but farfetched enough that you can’t believe it would ever happen; at least not in your lifetime. You would think that the author was a genius in conceiving such characters as the antagonists in this work. The Tea Party, GOP Congress, MSM – all characters that you would think are too absurd to be real.

    Yet, here we are, living through this real life drama and finding it difficult to believe what we are witnessing.

  25. 68 Dudette
    October 15, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    I’m usually not into poll-watching this far out from any election, but what the hay, it’s Christmas in October…

  26. 70 GGail
    October 15, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    True representation of the American People…
    President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden with the House Democratic Leadership including, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, Rep. Jame Clyburn, Rep. Xavier Becerra, Rep. Steve Crowley, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, Rep. Chris Chris Van Hollen and Rep. Steve Israel.

  27. 72 Dudette
    October 15, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    Won’t happen, but I like the thinking here. They’re running a coup, so treat ’em like what they are…

  28. October 15, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    Hi UT,
    Slight typo under second photo – Steny Hoyer is Minority Party Whip not Majority Party Leader 🙂


  29. October 15, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Where’s 99ts? Is it 3 in the morning in her world now?

    Started to respond her crystal-clear observation on the last thread, then noticed a new (and very busy) thread:

    “Is the US the only country in the world that votes as requested by external organizations – I know there are lobbyists in my world – but when parliament is in session – they do not interrupt the legislative process. It seems that it is outside influences that have killed bipartisanship – as much as republicans.

    The world is watching in stunned silence while democracy has a vacation in the USA.”

    My response is:

    Before Barack Obama took the national stage, I got most of my current-events news from The Economist magazine, so only have a cursor recollection of recent US political history.

    But I truly believe that this is unprecendented in living memory.

    Now the plutocrats openly declare that they control SCOTUS and Congress. They no longer need to hide behind “special interest groups” lobbys any more.

    SCOTUS has handed them this power and they are clearly taking the opportunity to undermine our Constitution and this democracy.

    Truly unbelievable and stunning.

    House GOP and Hertitage/Koch/ALEC are all treasonous traitors and should be adjudicated accordingly.

    • 80 99ts
      October 15, 2013 at 7:29 pm

      Hi Arapahoa – thankyou for replying 🙂 – It is 9.24am Oct 16 in my world – We are 14 hours ahead of US Eastern Time (which will be 15 hours when you drop summertime in November)

      The idea of “scoring” what members do in congress and using that to “primary” them – is the weirdest thing for my brain to understand. We don’t have primary elections, political parties select who will run – but maybe 1, or at the most 2 members are replaced through the selection – and they have to have been the most awful reps for this to ever be considered – OR – there is a party powerbroker looking for a “safe” seat & they go looking for a member to “give up” their seat for him/her.

      • 81 yardarm756
        October 15, 2013 at 8:12 pm

        Over here they treat their positions as ‘career’ positions with retirement and benefit plans. It’s a job, not a service and therein lies the problem. If we could reduce their salaries by 50% and put in term limits that would help.

        • 82 99ts
          October 15, 2013 at 8:18 pm

          They have the same thoughts here in regard to retirement plans – although recent legislation stopped the massive payouts for new members (those still there are reaping the millions) – health care, of course, as in most countries has NOTHING to do with employment.

          Thus said, the equivalent of a “primary usually only happens if there have been financial/criminal charges against a member. It is also very rare for people to not vote with their party in the house of reps – and if the two houses are in disagreement it is usually negotiations in the Senate that resolve things. Alternatively the PM can call an election – any time – if a bill is rejected.

  30. 84 Dudette
    October 15, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Read this…

    • 85 4morefor44
      October 15, 2013 at 7:37 pm

      i’ve been saying this exact thing. they never care for kids right in their communities, but hell yeah, let’s mow that yard for the TV cameras! it’s really just all about them and their egos.

  31. 87 99ts
    October 15, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Hard to believe Boehner wanted to send his staff into healthcare bankruptcy – because somehow that would tell the President how strong is the GOP. He can’t be sober – or sane.

  32. October 15, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Please bear with me if this question has been asked and answered…

    How does the rule change that the GOP pushed through to insure the government shutdown impact the discharge petition? Or does it? In other words, what’s the status of the discharge petition?

  33. 92 Dudette
    October 15, 2013 at 7:26 pm

  34. October 15, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    TODville should be taking the actions of Demint and other lobbyists seriously because they control SCOTUS. Recall Malala discussed the corruption in her country stemmed from corrupt judges (see my response to 99ts above — I think she’s not here now).

    Carl Bernstein was on @Lawrence last Wednesday and he was pleading for Americans to connect-the-dots, as he and Woodward did with Watergate 40 years ago.

  35. 101 hopefruit2
    October 15, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    And the saga continues:

    • 102 susanne
      October 15, 2013 at 7:37 pm

      by this they mean:

      ‘reopen government’=make sure my paycheck still comes in
      ‘prevent default’=make sure my friends in business get their money
      ‘express optimism’=we are at a complete standstill

    • 104 dotster3
      October 15, 2013 at 7:45 pm

      I don’t get this—-what diff does it make if the Senate leaders reach an agreement. Isn’t it Boehner and the House that’s the huge prob? Who have thrown roadblock after roadblock and refuse to do anything other than continue craziness?

      • 105 hopefruit2
        October 15, 2013 at 7:50 pm

        I guess the idea is that if the Senate is able to get a clean CR and DL bipartisan bill passed and ready by Thursday – it would put pressure on the House to act. Then it will be clear to everyone who’s the problem if either Beohner fails to bring the Senate bill to the House floor for a vote, or the House GOP votes against it.

        • October 15, 2013 at 8:04 pm

          This is also my best guess about the endgame.

          Nancy Smash will corral her caucus and Boehner will have to gather up his dregs.

          Then we make many, many campaign videos out of the horrendous lack of responsibility and malfeasance of this RWNJ House.

      • October 15, 2013 at 7:57 pm

        It’s a long shot (everything is right now) but if the Senate sends their compromise bill to the House, the House Dems. together with “moderate” Rs (some have made a rational sounds) COULD push a discharge petition and FORCE a vote on the floor of the House. D’boner couldn’t stop it. All of the Dems and 17-18 “moderate” Rs could pass the bill. Why? Oh I don’t know, maybe just maybe a few of them don’t want to be responsible for their country getting flushed down?

    • 109 99ts
      October 15, 2013 at 7:47 pm

      The Senate doesn’t seem to be the problem – or am I just completely lost in what is happening?

  36. 112 Jovie
    October 15, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    I hope I didn’t contribute to that mess?

    😦 😦

    • 113 susanne
      October 15, 2013 at 7:38 pm

      unless your name is bush, cheney, rumsfeld, or rice, you’re not to blame.

      • 114 4morefor44
        October 15, 2013 at 7:46 pm

        well, i blame anyone who voted for these people who were obviously insane even before they created that whole mess, especially in 2004 when it was already clear what was going on. i blame every republican voter for those deaths, including relatives and now former “friends” of mine. there’s something really wrong in their brains if they continue to support these murderous republicans, and i simply do not want or need that influence in my life anymore. feel like weights lifted off my shoulders getting those people out of my life, and that includes the relatives.

        • 115 susanne
          October 15, 2013 at 7:59 pm

          i think jovie was referring to having served in the military in that war–thus the reference to the leaders.

          i also have a very difficult time being civil in the grocery store, etc, with acquaintances, friends, and relatives who continue to defend republican votes. one good friend is married to a rabid right winger, and i won’t phone her at home because i cannot stand to speak to him. i’m less and less able to maintain that friendship–what is wrong with her, living with him? another friend’s husband thinks democrats and republicans are the same. we cannot have them for dinner anymore, as he won’t shut up on the subject. so that friendship is also getting thin. and so on. it indeed helps my peace of mind to have no contact with the crazies. and i’m so grateful to those who have the stomach for persuasion–some folks seem to be changing their minds, if the polls are any indication.

  37. 116 Dudette
    October 15, 2013 at 7:40 pm

  38. 117 hopefruit2
    October 15, 2013 at 7:40 pm

  39. October 15, 2013 at 7:46 pm

  40. 121 hopefruit2
    October 15, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    I hope November 2014 will be even MORE depressing for them….

    • October 15, 2013 at 8:07 pm

      I wonder if at somewhere between the 1st and 40-something vote to repeal Obamacare, did anyone in the GOP House say to their fellow GOP House members that what they were doing was insane. Was there any among them who was capable of rational thought and had the backbone to express it?

  41. 124 99ts
    October 15, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    • 125 99ts
      October 15, 2013 at 7:49 pm

      The media aided and abetted the Tea party RWNJs every step of the way

    • October 15, 2013 at 7:51 pm

      • 127 99ts
        October 15, 2013 at 7:56 pm

        Tweety “Sometimes both parties are wrong, this time one party is wrong”

        Tweety has just discovered his democratic roots – wonder what it will take for people like Halperin to stop shilling for the GOP?

        • 128 Dudette
          October 15, 2013 at 8:02 pm

          Tweety’s looking at his stock portfolio and wondering whether he should have sold or shorted, that’s all.

          • 129 99ts
            October 15, 2013 at 8:06 pm

            Whatever it takes Dudette – I cannot believe so many in the media are “enjoying” the demise of democracy. I have no doubt many in congress are already shorting the stock market.

  42. 130 Bill R.
    October 15, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    What the RW TParty don’t recognize is that by creating a crisis with govt. shutdown, threatening America, they actually prove the value of govt. and politically strengthen the President who is the one who stands for security and safety in the midst of uncertainty and threat.

  43. October 15, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    99ts, here’s definitive proof that what lobbyists and SCOTUS is doing is unprecedented in American politics (but not unprecedented in American warfare).

    Sabato is the DC beltway’s favorite Political Science professor. He’s frequently quoted by MSM of all stripes:

    Sabato believes POTUS may invoke the 14th amendment.

    As is this author (whom I don’t always agree with):

  44. 132 hopefruit2
    October 15, 2013 at 7:55 pm

  45. 134 Dudette
    October 15, 2013 at 7:59 pm

  46. 135 japa21
    October 15, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    I know the following may sound a little extreme, but it is, in actuality, exactly what the GOP is doing. In fact, the terrorists would do less damage in reality than what GOP is threatening to do.

  47. 136 99ts
    October 15, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    As usual the “little boy fool” on MSNBC is not correctly giving the facts – He will NOT say the GOP refuse to pass a clean bill. He is a tool, a fool and a little boy who has no experience of life and no idea what political analysis is supposed to do.

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