Happy Birthday to Jackie4Obama, and Happy Birthday to Bill R! This news conference was for YOU!! (but we will all enjoy sharing it!) PBO ~ thank you, Mr. President! Back to lurking! đ
I remember a time when the entire press corps would rise and stand when the President entered to start a press conference and then they would stand again when he left, usually saying, “Thank you, Mr. President.”
Japa and amk, I just said that out loud two days ago as I was thinking about PBO and his presidency. Since I have been involved in following politics, I have Never seen this much disrespect for the presidency.
Amk, you are so right. “You respect the presidency, if not the president.” Let us continue to put it on record. HZ
Your mention of this reminds me of a moment that still makes me burn. A young female reporter asked the President a question and as he started to answer she interrupted and asked, “Can’t you just answer yes or no. Is that so hard?!” The entire time she was seated with her legs crossed at the ankles and extended into the aisle. Never found out where she was from, but I’ve never seen her at another presser. Thank Goodness!
Rep. Markwayne Mullin (Oklahoma) made the case for cooperation among the branches of government in the debt ceiling and shutdown fightâ all four of them.
âThis country isnât ran by just one individual itâs ran by four branches, but three branches that are in control of this,â Mullin said Tuesday. âAs long as those three branches control it, then we all have to figure out how to negotiate. Not all of us is going to get 100% of what we want, but we should do whatâs right.â
19 Times Democrats Tried to Negotiate With Republicans The GOPâs biggest talking point of the shutdown is only true if you ignore everything that happened before last week.
1. 4/23 Senator Reid requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Toomey blocked.
2. 5/6 Senator Reid requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Cruz blocked.
3. 5/7 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.
4. 5/8 Senator Warner asked unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.
5. 5/9 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.
6. 5/14 Senator Warner asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator McConnell blocked.
7. 5/15 Senator Wyden asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator McConnell blocked.
8. 5/16 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.
9. 5/21 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Paul blocked.
10. 5/22 Senator Kaine asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Rubio blocked.
11. 5/23 Senator McCaskill asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.
12. 6/4 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Rubio blocked.
13. 6/12 Senator Kaine asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.
14. 6/19 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Toomey blocked.
15. 6/26 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Cruz blocked.
16. 7/11 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Marco Rubio blocked.
17. 7/17 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Mike Lee blocked.
18. 8/1 Senator Durbin requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Marco Rubio blocked.
19. 10/2 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Toomey blocked.
isonprize, if you scroll down a bit you’ll see a tweet in which I created a graphic from the NJ link you posted. Feel free to pass it around to anyone you can!!! And, thanks for the link!!
A GOP/TP Congressman is on with Joy Reid ranting the same RW talking points they’ve been doing for days.
OK Here’s JB. Same TP ” PBO refuses to negotiate.”
I guess that’s all they have. A hope that someone will believe their shit.
Took about two questions, then headed for the hills. Doens’t matter, he lied anyway. Nothing like the educational talk from PBO. More like a fake it til you make it type performance. I think the press, the financial press is getting mighty impatient with the sound bite, talking point presser by the Bonehead teabutts.
Really rankles me that the press COMPLETELY ignore the huges messes (note: plural) GWBush left the country.
“Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has picked Paul Lewis, a former House Armed Services Committee lawyer, as special envoy for the closure of the Guantanamo Bay detention center. The appointment comes nearly four months after President Obama vowed to assign a special envoy to help close the prison, calling it âa symbol around the world for an America that flouts the rule of law.â
I’ve been trying to get the AARP to act with urgency on the debt ceiling issue, making it clear what the implications are for seniors who would not have SS checks or medicare reimbursements. On the phone I was told that a lot of seniors are calling in worried and the AARP is concerned about starting a panic. I urged them to start a panic because seniors needed to get on the phones to call REPUBLICAN congressmen. I was told to send my concerns in an e-mail, which I was assured would be read and addressed. If you can, go to AARPinternational.org, press contact and send a message that we need urgent action from the AARP, that they need to identify that it’s Republicans, not Democrats, that are threatening Social Security and that they needed to give lists, numbers and messages to deliver. Frankly, I’m a little dismayed with the idea that seniors need to be ‘protected’ from fear when in fact they need to be hopping mad that the Republicans are playing fast and loose with their survival. It won’t take a minute to add your voice.
Referring back to a few comments on previous thread about decorum and protocol among WHPC at Presidential press conferences: YES, these guys seem to have no upbringing at all! It seems to me it was Helen Thomas who used to close with “Thank you Mr. President.” Of course GWB did not like her, but PBO did. We need an adult like her to train the children!
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Rep. John Lewis was arrested on Tuesday during a march to the Capitol for immigration reform. This is Lewis’ 45th arrest.
Lewis, along with other members of Congress, including Nancy Pelosi were arrested around 4:15 p.m. in front of the U.S. Capitol during the Camino Americano: Rally and March for Immigrant Dignity and Respect.
Looking at and listening to John Boehner, I think he is operating in an alcoholic haze. His Sunday appearance was practically incoherent, and he truly is not making sense.
That’s because 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006, the Republicans controlled the House, the Senate and the White House. You think that fact would come up with frequency.
Excuse this, but——I hope my 2 day old granddaughter isn’t a tea party Republican. She’s acting like a BABY! She’s holding her parents hostage! She’s demanding ransom. She has let them know that she will make these “waa waaa” noises unless she can sleep in their arms.
Haha, just kidding—-she’s not a teepee Repub and never will be—-just wanted to work her into the convo :)—–and her preferred method of snoozing is in someone’s arms, but that is also true for many.
Actually she’s being “pretty good”, “not perfect, but pretty good”, the acceptable standard in our fam. And I just saw the sweetest photos ever of her departing the hospital (parents did a haha Royal Baby pose out front) and of her happily snoozing away at home, still in her adorable going home outfit and deep rose hat with a big flower on it. Guess they didn’t want to disturb her by removing the hat—–“let sleeping dogs lie” was my motto also.
Get to see her next week in person, will let her hold me hostage and sleep in my arms—-because she’s a baby, a real baby.
That’s right Dotster. It’s cute when newborn babies behave exactly as they’re supposed to!!! Not so cute when middle-aged adults in positions of authority behave like newborn babies…. Glad to hear that you’re enjoying your little granddaughter đ
She can’t be a tea party Republican. Babies do all that crying and wailing to ensure their survival. Tea party Republicans are destroying themselves (& GOP in general) from within.
Exactly – not sure where Mark Knoller came up with those numbers. But then again what do we expect from someone who does not even know what the raising the debt ceiling does?
Indeed, hf. I was actually amazed he was capable of asking a reasonable question – probably shocked the President, as well đ
As President Obama noted, whether a clean CR and clean debt limit bill passes or fails, what matters it is the sworn obligation of every Member of Congress to fund the government and pay the bills. No escaping those Constitutional, i.e., legal requirements. He knows, as does every one of those Members that they will be held accountable, the only issue now is how much more damage do they cause before they go on record with their votes.
“As President Obama noted, whether a clean CR and clean debt limit bill passes or fails, what matters it is the sworn obligation of every Member of Congress to fund the government and pay the bills. No escaping those Constitutional, i.e., legal requirements.”
Bob, this is exactly my position! Every member of Congress is Constitutionally obligated to do two things: pass a budget to fund the government, and to ensure that all U.S. debts are honored. Paying U.S. debts was so important to the Framers that they even provided this in Article VI, paragraph 1:
“All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.”
That’s how important the obligation to honor U.S. debts was to the Framers of the U.S. Constitution that the tea baggers claim to revere.
Again, I am with the President on this: Every member of Congress (Senator/Representative) MUST go on record to indicate their support or opposition to Federal government shut down, and their support or opposition to U.S. government default! No more hiding behind the claim that there are not enough votes in support! The refusal to allow a vote on a clean CR to end government shut down, and a clean CR to raise the debt ceiling, allows the so called moderate and sane Republicans to talk from both sides of their mouths. I want all 535 members of Congress on record, with Ayes and Nays, on both a clean CR to end the government shut down and a clean CR to raise the debt ceiling. That way, we the people can determine who is responsible for the destruction of our Republic. I am tired of the games! The GOP leaders of the House of Representatives MUST allow members to vote and let chips fall where they may.
The fact that they won’t allow members to vote tells me that Boehner/Cantor et al know that they a fucked regardless of the outcome of the votes. If, on the one hand, the majority of members of Congress, Democrats and Republicans, vote for a clean CR, Boehner would be revealed for being a chicken-shit leader who shut down the government simply out of fear of a tiny faction of the extremist wing of his party. On the other hand, if the majority of the Republican House members, including the so called moderates, vote to reject a clean CR then they will be held responsible by the people for shutting down the government. By the way, the same scenario applies to a clean CR to raise the debt ceiling.
The Democrats are ready to go on record to show where they stand. But the bully GOP cowards refuse to go on record with their votes. Personally, I am disgusted with the so called Republican moderates who talk from both sides of their mouths!
I don’t trust any of those 20 or so pubs who said they’d vote for the clean CR. They are straddling the fence for their own purposes. I think it’d be a different story if they really had to actually vote. My biggest fear is that Boehner is right, he knows he’s right, and doesn’t have the votes and is just waiting for the right moment to hold the vote which will fail, then he does the ‘told ya so’ dance.
I’d rather see the discharge signatures first, then let’s demand the vote.
Sorry, but I want every member of Congress, Democrat and Republican to go on record with his/her vote on whether they are for or against government shut down; or for and against raising the debt ceiling to pay legally authorized U.S. debts! I say vote and let the chips fall where they may! At least we would know who is for and against government shut down, and who is for or against honoring U.S. debts. I am sick and tired of the so called moderate Republicans “straddling the fence for their own purposes.” They need to be forced to go on the record with their votes so that people in the districts they represent will know where they stand.
Saw a post earlier on our site saying that after Maddow’s segment last night several GOP members that had said they would vote for a clean CR recanted their intended vote some even said they never said what they said.
So I just read that Chuck Todd thinks it’s all bad cause he believes the lies of Boehner – the media has crashed – may the Todds of the world never recover
Thanks for the great reporting on PBO – and with that – we are away for a couple of days – if the wifi is good I will check out the news – else I hope with every particle in my being that the blackmailing of the US government may have been washed away when I return
I liked that one of the questions during the press conference gave President Obama the opportunity to explain why options — e.g., The 14th amendment or creating coin — were not good alternatives to Congress just doing its job and raising the debt limit.
Often quick fixes can create problems; some unintentional and unanticipated. The quick fix doesn’t always resolve the problem. It just pushes it out. I’m sure that is one of the reasons the President is not keen about issuing Executive Orders.
As I wrote yesterday, the real edge the Sec 4 of the 14th (and, as nath noted Sec 3 of the 14th) is that, by virtue of their Oath of Office, every Member of Congress would be breaking the law, literally, if they do not pay the bills.
The language is crystal clear – “The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law …. shall not be questioned.”
What they have already done, once before in 2011, and, again during the past several weeks, is cause that question to be asked. That is why I’ve been tweeting and writing to the DoJ and others urging action to stop what is a manifestly dangerous violation of our Constitution.
Thanks Bob, for the shout out on my take on Section 3 of the 14th Amendment! But even more important in my view Bob (probably the reason why President repeatedly talks about Congress’ responsibilities to pass a budget and pay legally authorized U.S. debts) is Congress’ responsibility under Article I, Section 8, which says:
“The Congress shall have the Power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the DEBTS and provide for the common defense and the general welfare of the United States….”
Moreover, the Framers of the U. S. Constitution strongly believed in the importance of honoring the country’s debts that they included, in Article VI, paragraph 1, the provision to honor the debts entered into under the Articles of the Confederation:
“All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.”
And as you noted the language of the 14th Amendment about honoring U.S. public debt “is crystal clear.”
As far as I am concerned, Congress’s failure to finance the government (resulting in a shut down) and impending refusal to honor the debt of the United States, are clear abdication (I would even say violation) of Congress’ Constitutional responsibility.
Wow, I just saw an ad with Evan Bayh and John Huntsman pimping a petition to sign to stop the government shutdown. I know it must be something in this for both.
Obama White House.gov
The Obama Diary 
Thank goodness
Japa! Will Karl listen?
GO JAPA21!!
bringing this over because I CAN.
Talk to the back. And not even that.
He, he, he!
oh oh!
Happy Birthday to Jackie4Obama, and Happy Birthday to Bill R! This news conference was for YOU!! (but we will all enjoy sharing it!) PBO ~ thank you, Mr. President! Back to lurking! đ
I didn’t know it was Jackie’s birthday too ~ Happy Birthday Jackie & Bill – Hope its been wonderful! đ
Missed that it is their birthdays, MP. Thank you for letting us know.
Happy Birthday Jackie4Obama & Bill R!!!!!
I remember a time when the entire press corps would rise and stand when the President entered to start a press conference and then they would stand again when he left, usually saying, “Thank you, Mr. President.”
I think that ended in January of 2009.
Yup. Childish idjits. You respect the presidency, if not the president.
((((((((((((((( Get lots of rest and relaxation when possible, my beautiful MightyPamela)))))))))))))))))HZ
Japa and amk, I just said that out loud two days ago as I was thinking about PBO and his presidency. Since I have been involved in following politics, I have Never seen this much disrespect for the presidency.
Amk, you are so right. “You respect the presidency, if not the president.” Let us continue to put it on record. HZ
Your mention of this reminds me of a moment that still makes me burn. A young female reporter asked the President a question and as he started to answer she interrupted and asked, “Can’t you just answer yes or no. Is that so hard?!” The entire time she was seated with her legs crossed at the ankles and extended into the aisle. Never found out where she was from, but I’ve never seen her at another presser. Thank Goodness!
Well, we know how long Chips’ ‘ish-es’ are, so let’s celebrate after that awesome press conference!
That hurt, 57!
I was going to save you some vino. Honest I was. I know how you like to run a tight, serious ship and you know how rowdy we can get.
Especially when PBO tells the Prime Jackals to sit down and STFU so he can answer some decent questions that weren’t written by Ted Cruz, for once!
Positively giddy, I am.
I’m sure I should be quaking in my boots because Karl/Toad/Henry might be mean to PBO in retaliation.
Join the whiners on the RWNJ side of the aisle, you worthless shills!
Mama Miya…..I hope I spelled it correctly…..
Precisely…..Sit Down Jon Karl.
I love it.
Press conference = the smackdown heard around the world.
Oh, holy shit:
Rep. Markwayne Mullin (Oklahoma) made the case for cooperation among the branches of government in the debt ceiling and shutdown fightâ all four of them.
âThis country isnât ran by just one individual itâs ran by four branches, but three branches that are in control of this,â Mullin said Tuesday. âAs long as those three branches control it, then we all have to figure out how to negotiate. Not all of us is going to get 100% of what we want, but we should do whatâs right.â
This says it all. These F—kers failed 7th grade civics and dare to think that they can govern. SMH.
they also failed third grade English. God! The phrase ‘ignorance is bliss’ wasn’t supposed to mean this, was it?
It’s said that eventually, people will choose leaders as stupid as they are.
What is the fouth branch of Government, Koch Industries ?
MSM
Tea Party?
Draggin’ over from the last thread (I was postin’ while Chica was creatin’ a new thread…)
Hereâs another list. Sorry if itâs a repeat. Here is the source.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/19-times-democrats-tried-to-negotiate-with-republicans-20131007?mrefid=mostread
19 Times Democrats Tried to Negotiate With Republicans
The GOPâs biggest talking point of the shutdown is only true if you ignore everything that happened before last week.
1. 4/23 Senator Reid requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Toomey blocked.
2. 5/6 Senator Reid requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Cruz blocked.
3. 5/7 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.
4. 5/8 Senator Warner asked unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.
5. 5/9 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.
6. 5/14 Senator Warner asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator McConnell blocked.
7. 5/15 Senator Wyden asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator McConnell blocked.
8. 5/16 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.
9. 5/21 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Paul blocked.
10. 5/22 Senator Kaine asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Rubio blocked.
11. 5/23 Senator McCaskill asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.
12. 6/4 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Rubio blocked.
13. 6/12 Senator Kaine asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.
14. 6/19 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Toomey blocked.
15. 6/26 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Cruz blocked.
16. 7/11 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Marco Rubio blocked.
17. 7/17 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Mike Lee blocked.
18. 8/1 Senator Durbin requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Marco Rubio blocked.
19. 10/2 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Toomey blocked.
isonprize, if you scroll down a bit you’ll see a tweet in which I created a graphic from the NJ link you posted. Feel free to pass it around to anyone you can!!! And, thanks for the link!!
#FORWARD
Is the 10-08-13 video of the POTUS press conference at the top of this thread? I am not able to see or access it……so could it be me?
I don’t see it either….but I am using Explorer today and have Javascript turned off.
Hi Nena:
“Forward to 34 minutes in the video in the post below to see the press conference”
Hi Chips….The POST Below? You mean from the picture posted above or are you referencing the last post?
Bronzer at the podium. I wonder how many questions he’ll answer.
I have it on mute. I am alergic to lies….
Where is/was he speaking? I didn’t see him on either c-span or WH.gov (yeah. yeah. i know he wouldn’t be here but I checked anyway.)
“Where is/was he speaking?” It sounded like he was speaking out of his rear end.
You are no help! đ I give up.
A GOP/TP Congressman is on with Joy Reid ranting the same RW talking points they’ve been doing for days.
OK Here’s JB. Same TP ” PBO refuses to negotiate.”
I guess that’s all they have. A hope that someone will believe their shit.
I turned to the Food Channel when he came on and while Boehner was lying at his press conference. I cannot tolerate bold-faced lies.
Boehner in and out very quickly. Has nothing but the same lies.
How will this end?
In and out where? And does this mean he took no questions? So why bother to do a presser in this instance?
Yes VC. Back on the deficit and out the door.
O. kay. TY đ
Took about two questions, then headed for the hills. Doens’t matter, he lied anyway. Nothing like the educational talk from PBO. More like a fake it til you make it type performance. I think the press, the financial press is getting mighty impatient with the sound bite, talking point presser by the Bonehead teabutts.
For future reference – where was Boehner speaking?
Speaker Cruz told Boehner what to say and for him not to take long. Doesn’t it look like Boehner is hitting the tan machine.
It looked like he has not slept in a week and has been hitting the bottle. McMorris-Rogers looked awful too.
this is good
I love this!!
Dopey Luke Russert just asked why No reporters asked about ACA?
Answer: The American people, the Democratic party and the President WON that fight.
Same answer as to why we are not talking about Marriage Equality anymore.
Big news for the GOP.
The deficit has been cut in half.
Running out of room and any ground to stand on.
I see it just now. Thank you Lady Chips.
I am not very patient with anyone who has a huge professional journalistic
“F” Matt Yglesias.
Did he ever respond to you Linda? Something tells me he didn’t.
oh geesh… The new 3 Amigos want Al-libi taken to Gitmo.
Really rankles me that the press COMPLETELY ignore the huges messes (note: plural) GWBush left the country.
“Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has picked Paul Lewis, a former House Armed Services Committee lawyer, as special envoy for the closure of the Guantanamo Bay detention center. The appointment comes nearly four months after President Obama vowed to assign a special envoy to help close the prison, calling it âa symbol around the world for an America that flouts the rule of law.â
I’ve been trying to get the AARP to act with urgency on the debt ceiling issue, making it clear what the implications are for seniors who would not have SS checks or medicare reimbursements. On the phone I was told that a lot of seniors are calling in worried and the AARP is concerned about starting a panic. I urged them to start a panic because seniors needed to get on the phones to call REPUBLICAN congressmen. I was told to send my concerns in an e-mail, which I was assured would be read and addressed. If you can, go to AARPinternational.org, press contact and send a message that we need urgent action from the AARP, that they need to identify that it’s Republicans, not Democrats, that are threatening Social Security and that they needed to give lists, numbers and messages to deliver. Frankly, I’m a little dismayed with the idea that seniors need to be ‘protected’ from fear when in fact they need to be hopping mad that the Republicans are playing fast and loose with their survival. It won’t take a minute to add your voice.
Not just SS & Medicare. It’s their 401(k)’s, etc. Seniors cannot afford to take the hit that bond failure will produce.
This is GREAT!
Preach Brother Harry!
Referring back to a few comments on previous thread about decorum and protocol among WHPC at Presidential press conferences: YES, these guys seem to have no upbringing at all! It seems to me it was Helen Thomas who used to close with “Thank you Mr. President.” Of course GWB did not like her, but PBO did. We need an adult like her to train the children!
“Rep. John Lewis arrested during immigration reform march”
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/309096/40/Rep-John-Lewis-arrested-during-immigration-reform-march
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Rep. John Lewis was arrested on Tuesday during a march to the Capitol for immigration reform. This is Lewis’ 45th arrest.
Lewis, along with other members of Congress, including Nancy Pelosi were arrested around 4:15 p.m. in front of the U.S. Capitol during the Camino Americano: Rally and March for Immigrant Dignity and Respect.
Thanks Isonprize!
what a contrast : POTUS vs Weeper of the House!
https://twitter.com/jakerome/status/387688699929964544
and no more sequester cuts!
https://twitter.com/FlowerInFaith/status/387695130846588928
replaced the tweet:
Looking at and listening to John Boehner, I think he is operating in an alcoholic haze. His Sunday appearance was practically incoherent, and he truly is not making sense.
That’s because 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006, the Republicans controlled the House, the Senate and the White House. You think that fact would come up with frequency.
Excuse this, but——I hope my 2 day old granddaughter isn’t a tea party Republican. She’s acting like a BABY! She’s holding her parents hostage! She’s demanding ransom. She has let them know that she will make these “waa waaa” noises unless she can sleep in their arms.
Haha, just kidding—-she’s not a teepee Repub and never will be—-just wanted to work her into the convo :)—–and her preferred method of snoozing is in someone’s arms, but that is also true for many.
Actually she’s being “pretty good”, “not perfect, but pretty good”, the acceptable standard in our fam. And I just saw the sweetest photos ever of her departing the hospital (parents did a haha Royal Baby pose out front) and of her happily snoozing away at home, still in her adorable going home outfit and deep rose hat with a big flower on it. Guess they didn’t want to disturb her by removing the hat—–“let sleeping dogs lie” was my motto also.
Get to see her next week in person, will let her hold me hostage and sleep in my arms—-because she’s a baby, a real baby.
Congratulations on your new granddaughter, dotster!
Babies don’t know any better. That’s why they need guidance to become adults. That’s how it’s supposed to work…….
That’s right Dotster. It’s cute when newborn babies behave exactly as they’re supposed to!!! Not so cute when middle-aged adults in positions of authority behave like newborn babies…. Glad to hear that you’re enjoying your little granddaughter đ
She can’t be a tea party Republican. Babies do all that crying and wailing to ensure their survival. Tea party Republicans are destroying themselves (& GOP in general) from within.
How sad that this is true, not snark
I would love to see a skywriter over the Capitol spelling out
” Surrender Boehner “
Exactly – not sure where Mark Knoller came up with those numbers. But then again what do we expect from someone who does not even know what the raising the debt ceiling does?
Indeed, hf. I was actually amazed he was capable of asking a reasonable question – probably shocked the President, as well đ
As President Obama noted, whether a clean CR and clean debt limit bill passes or fails, what matters it is the sworn obligation of every Member of Congress to fund the government and pay the bills. No escaping those Constitutional, i.e., legal requirements. He knows, as does every one of those Members that they will be held accountable, the only issue now is how much more damage do they cause before they go on record with their votes.
#TrustBarack
“As President Obama noted, whether a clean CR and clean debt limit bill passes or fails, what matters it is the sworn obligation of every Member of Congress to fund the government and pay the bills. No escaping those Constitutional, i.e., legal requirements.”
Bob, this is exactly my position! Every member of Congress is Constitutionally obligated to do two things: pass a budget to fund the government, and to ensure that all U.S. debts are honored. Paying U.S. debts was so important to the Framers that they even provided this in Article VI, paragraph 1:
“All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.”
That’s how important the obligation to honor U.S. debts was to the Framers of the U.S. Constitution that the tea baggers claim to revere.
Again, I am with the President on this: Every member of Congress (Senator/Representative) MUST go on record to indicate their support or opposition to Federal government shut down, and their support or opposition to U.S. government default! No more hiding behind the claim that there are not enough votes in support! The refusal to allow a vote on a clean CR to end government shut down, and a clean CR to raise the debt ceiling, allows the so called moderate and sane Republicans to talk from both sides of their mouths. I want all 535 members of Congress on record, with Ayes and Nays, on both a clean CR to end the government shut down and a clean CR to raise the debt ceiling. That way, we the people can determine who is responsible for the destruction of our Republic. I am tired of the games! The GOP leaders of the House of Representatives MUST allow members to vote and let chips fall where they may.
The fact that they won’t allow members to vote tells me that Boehner/Cantor et al know that they a fucked regardless of the outcome of the votes. If, on the one hand, the majority of members of Congress, Democrats and Republicans, vote for a clean CR, Boehner would be revealed for being a chicken-shit leader who shut down the government simply out of fear of a tiny faction of the extremist wing of his party. On the other hand, if the majority of the Republican House members, including the so called moderates, vote to reject a clean CR then they will be held responsible by the people for shutting down the government. By the way, the same scenario applies to a clean CR to raise the debt ceiling.
The Democrats are ready to go on record to show where they stand. But the bully GOP cowards refuse to go on record with their votes. Personally, I am disgusted with the so called Republican moderates who talk from both sides of their mouths!
I don’t trust any of those 20 or so pubs who said they’d vote for the clean CR. They are straddling the fence for their own purposes. I think it’d be a different story if they really had to actually vote. My biggest fear is that Boehner is right, he knows he’s right, and doesn’t have the votes and is just waiting for the right moment to hold the vote which will fail, then he does the ‘told ya so’ dance.
I’d rather see the discharge signatures first, then let’s demand the vote.
Sorry, but I want every member of Congress, Democrat and Republican to go on record with his/her vote on whether they are for or against government shut down; or for and against raising the debt ceiling to pay legally authorized U.S. debts! I say vote and let the chips fall where they may! At least we would know who is for and against government shut down, and who is for or against honoring U.S. debts. I am sick and tired of the so called moderate Republicans “straddling the fence for their own purposes.” They need to be forced to go on the record with their votes so that people in the districts they represent will know where they stand.
Saw a post earlier on our site saying that after Maddow’s segment last night several GOP members that had said they would vote for a clean CR recanted their intended vote some even said they never said what they said.
So I just read that Chuck Todd thinks it’s all bad cause he believes the lies of Boehner – the media has crashed – may the Todds of the world never recover
Thanks for the great reporting on PBO – and with that – we are away for a couple of days – if the wifi is good I will check out the news – else I hope with every particle in my being that the blackmailing of the US government may have been washed away when I return
LOL! UpChuck is pissed because he did not get called on during PBO’s presser. He wants revenge…poor lil’ Chuckie boy….
His twitter seems to be 1000:1 calling him a fool – good to see – but how much better if he just reported the truth
Got front row seats and popcorn đ
Too bad it’s not in IMAX 3D. đĽ I haz a disappoint.
I liked that one of the questions during the press conference gave President Obama the opportunity to explain why options — e.g., The 14th amendment or creating coin — were not good alternatives to Congress just doing its job and raising the debt limit.
Often quick fixes can create problems; some unintentional and unanticipated. The quick fix doesn’t always resolve the problem. It just pushes it out. I’m sure that is one of the reasons the President is not keen about issuing Executive Orders.
Agree, swbluega!
As I wrote yesterday, the real edge the Sec 4 of the 14th (and, as nath noted Sec 3 of the 14th) is that, by virtue of their Oath of Office, every Member of Congress would be breaking the law, literally, if they do not pay the bills.
The language is crystal clear – “The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law …. shall not be questioned.”
What they have already done, once before in 2011, and, again during the past several weeks, is cause that question to be asked. That is why I’ve been tweeting and writing to the DoJ and others urging action to stop what is a manifestly dangerous violation of our Constitution.
#TrustBarack
Thanks Bob, for the shout out on my take on Section 3 of the 14th Amendment! But even more important in my view Bob (probably the reason why President repeatedly talks about Congress’ responsibilities to pass a budget and pay legally authorized U.S. debts) is Congress’ responsibility under Article I, Section 8, which says:
“The Congress shall have the Power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the DEBTS and provide for the common defense and the general welfare of the United States….”
Moreover, the Framers of the U. S. Constitution strongly believed in the importance of honoring the country’s debts that they included, in Article VI, paragraph 1, the provision to honor the debts entered into under the Articles of the Confederation:
“All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.”
And as you noted the language of the 14th Amendment about honoring U.S. public debt “is crystal clear.”
As far as I am concerned, Congress’s failure to finance the government (resulting in a shut down) and impending refusal to honor the debt of the United States, are clear abdication (I would even say violation) of Congress’ Constitutional responsibility.
Wow, I just saw an ad with Evan Bayh and John Huntsman pimping a petition to sign to stop the government shutdown. I know it must be something in this for both.
yeah, the future of their party, I’d say.
Third Way——party of the 1%, with some democratic social policies
Evan Bayh left office with over $11 million in his war chest. Wonder what happened to it.
As Jodi Kantor would say: Hmmmm…..
New post soon ……. yep …… ish.
NBC News aired 1 sentence from PBO’s presser. Other than that, it didn’t happen.
Liberal media.
Reblogged this on Progress Weekly.
New post!
http://theobamadiary.com/2013/10/08/a-tweet-or-two-10/