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Rise and Shine

(Almost) On This Day: Cleveland, OH. October 5, 2012 (Photo by Scout Tufankjian)

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Today:

The President has no public events scheduled

1:30 EDT: Jay Carney briefs the press

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Addicting Info – see more here

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In case you missed it: ‘A Federal Budget Crisis Months in the Planning’ (NYT)

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Jonathan Cohn: Watch This for 22 Seconds and You’ll See Why Obama Can’t Give an Inch

House Speaker John Boehner went on ABC News “This Week” to make clear his position: Republicans won’t give the government new borrowing authority until Democrats agree to negotiate about Obamacare and fiscal priorities.

When host George Stephanopoulos asked Boehner directly whether Republicans would let the government default if Obama won’t talk, Boehner said: “That’s the path we’re on. … I don’t want the United States to default on its debt. But I’m not going to raise the debt limit without a serious conversation about dealing with problems that are driving the debt up. It would be irresponsible of me to do this.”

Of course, this is what Boehner has always said publicly. Privately, he has been saying something else…..

…. Which John Boehner is telling the truth—the one talking to Stephanopoulos? Or the one talking to his colleagues? Your guess is as good as mine. It may also be as good as his.

Full post here

And see Greg Sargent and Steve Benen

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Paul Krugman: The Boehner Bunglers

The federal government is shut down, we’re about to hit the debt ceiling (with disastrous economic consequences), and no resolution is in sight. How did this happen?

The main answer, which only the most pathologically “balanced” reporting can deny, is the radicalization of the Republican Party …. the G.O.P. has become “an insurgent outlier – ideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.”

But there’s one more important piece of the story. Conservative leaders are indeed ideologically extreme, but they’re also deeply incompetent….

To see what I’m talking about, consider the report in Sunday’s Times about the origins of the current crisis. Early this year, it turns out, some of the usual suspects – the Koch brothers, the political arm of the Heritage Foundation and others — plotted strategy in the wake of Republican electoral defeat. Did they talk about rethinking ideas that voters had soundly rejected? No, they talked extortion, insisting that the threat of a shutdown would induce President Obama to abandon health reform.

More here

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Michael Tomasky: Here Are Three Debt-Ceiling Lies You’ll Hear From the GOP This Week

So, a default really wouldn’t be that bad? That’s what Republicans are going to start saying this week as the debt-ceiling debate ramps up. Michael Tomasky debunks the talking points in advance.

Attention will turn more sharply this week in the direction of the debt ceiling and the question of a possible default. We’re just 10 days away from D-Day, and since default is a much bigger deal than a shutdown, we’re going to have a week of cable debates about who’ll be to blame if the country defaults. It is with that in mind that offer you three arguments you’re sure to hear Republicans make. They’re all foolish or false or both, so clip this list and tape it to your refrigerator. The roof is finally starting to fall in on these serial liars, and I want you to be part of the growing army of Americans that knows a lie when it hears one.

More here

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ThinkProgress: CBS Host Takes Apart GOP’s Shutdown Argument

Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn (R-TX) was unable to explain why Republicans needed to threaten economic disaster to try to get their way on Obamacare during an interview on CBS’s Face The Nation on Sunday.

Bob Schieffer, Face the Nation’s host, repeatedly asked Cornyn why, instead of using normal legislative procedures like passing laws, Republicans were refusing to pass a continuing resolution funding the government or raise the debt ceiling absent changes to several parts of President Obama’s signature health care law. Schieffer compared this strategy to saying “I’m going to throw a brick through your window unless you give me $20”….

More here

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But for every Schieffer, there are a dozen Rick Kleins:

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But, credit (!) to John Harwood:

Business Insider: These Are Probably The 3 Best Debt Ceiling Tweets You Will Ever Read

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CBS: Debt ceiling: Understanding what’s at stake

It is the economic calamity that no one expects and everyone fears.

Experts agree that failing to raise the nation’s debt ceiling by Oct. 17, when U.S. officials say the government will run out of money to pay its bills, would gravely wound the economy, and perhaps even throw it back into recession. Because Treasury bonds and the dollar are cornerstones of the global financial system, meanwhile, the shock wave would be felt around the world.

“The potential is disastrous,” said Gus Faucher, senior economist with PNC Financial Services Group. “We would see interest rates spike across the board. We’d see a huge crash in the dollar. People count on lending their money to the federal government and getting it back, and if that trust is taken away – it’s never happened that we haven’t met our obligations as a nation – then that has very, very negative consequences for the U.S. economy.”

The consequences are so severe that, even as the government shutdown enters its second week, most seasoned political observers still expect Congress to ultimately reach an eleventh-hour deal to lift the government’s borrowing limit.

But what exactly is the debt ceiling, and exactly how worried should Americans be that it could come crashing down?

See here

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TPM: Shutdownpocalypse: A Timeline Of Budget Fights In The Tea Party Congress

The ongoing government shutdown has its roots in a series of fiscal battles incited by tea party Republicans after they won control of the House of Representatives in the 2010 elections. The aim each time has been to use the threat of chaos as leverage to extract budgetary concessions from President Barack Obama and a Democratic-led Senate.

The era of crisis governance that ensued never ended in a government shutdown – until now. Debt default has always been avoided – so far. But the acrimony between the two parties is at an all-time high and the endgame is unclear as the two deadlines converge this month.

Here’s a timeline of each of the fights to avert shutdown and debt default….

See here

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E.J. Dionne: Shutdown: The tea party’s last stand

If the nation is lucky, this October will mark the beginning of the end of the tea party.

The movement is suffering from extreme miscalculation and a foolish misreading of its opponents’ intentions. This, in turn, has created a moment of enlightenment, an opening to see things that were once missed.

Many Republicans, of course, saw the disaster coming in advance of the shutdown. But they were terrified to take on a movement that is fortified by money, energy and the backing of a bloviating brigade of talk-show hosts. The assumption was that the tea party had become invincible inside the GOP.

…. We now know that the tea party is primarily about postures aimed at undercutting sensible governance and premised on the delusion that Obama’s election victories were meaningless. Its leaders abandon these postures as soon as their adversaries stand strong and the poll-testers report their approach is failing. This will give pause to anyone ever again tempted to follow them into a cul-de-sac.

Full article here

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Washington Post: Some tea party congressmen find signs of political backlash at home

Nearly three years after a band of renegade congressmen brought the tea party insurgency to Washington, there are early rumblings of a political backlash in some of their districts.

Here in the Dutch Reformed country of West Michigan, long a bastion of mainstream, mannerly conservatism, voters in 2010 handed the House seat once held by Gerald R. Ford to Justin Amash, a 33-year-old revolutionary and heir to the libertarian mantle of former congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex.). Amash was part of an attempted coup against House Speaker John A. Boehner (R- Ohio) and is a leader of the House tea party faction that helped force a government shutdown last week.

But within Grand Rapids’ powerful business establishment, patience is running low with Amash’s ideological agenda and tactics…

More here

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The One and Only … well, The Two and Only:

Margaret and Helen: Let’s hope Republicans don’t need health insurance to recover from pulling their heads out of their asses

Margaret, the more Republicans I meet, the more I like my dog. Just once I would like to see a politician with an ass too small to fit his own head. It has been a rough few weeks sitting back trying to get my rest and stay out of politics, but honestly, there seems to be no end to this madness and I once again find myself not able to keep my mouth shut. I used to have a handle on life, but it broke. Let me count the new ways the Republicans found to wear their ass for a hat…

More here

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We posted this a year ago today, still cracks me up:

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A Year Ago Today:

The Nokia Theater, Los Angeles, October 7

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MooooOOOOoooorning!


96 Responses to “Rise and Shine”


  1. 1 japa21
    October 7, 2013 at 9:51 am

  2. 9 amk for obama
    October 7, 2013 at 9:51 am

    GM. #Shutdownthegop

  3. 10 desertflower
    October 7, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Chips, I can’t get this graphic off of here! Can you do that?? Thanks

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/10/07/house-gop-plot-obamacare-shutdown/

  4. 14 Ladyhawke
    October 7, 2013 at 9:54 am

    These Are Probably The 3 Best Debt Ceiling Tweets You Will Ever Read

    BY JOE WEISENTHAL

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/john-harwood-on-the-debt-ceiling-2013-10#ixzz2h2d7jXkr

    • October 7, 2013 at 10:09 am

      Thank yoooooou Ladyhawke, added it to the post!

      • 16 Ladyhawke
        October 7, 2013 at 10:23 am

        Terrific Chips. I almost fell out of my chair when I saw those three tweets this morning especially since they were from John Harwood. It’s great to see some of the GOP media enablers finally starting to report a bit of truth about why we are in this constitutional crisis.

        • October 7, 2013 at 10:31 am

          Really surprised too Ladyhawke, it’s almost as if some – and only some – of these guys simply cannot bring themselves to try and defend the GOP any more. Of course, plenty are still doing it, the false equivalence stuff, but credit to Harwood. Thanks again LH!

  5. 18 Bill R.
    October 7, 2013 at 9:57 am

  6. October 7, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Morning TOD. Love, love, love the pictures of our President. Jam-packed R&S Chips. Thank you!

  7. October 7, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Goooooddd mooorrrnnniiinnngggg, Chips and TODville.

    The Myth of Obamacare’s Bad Sales Job
    Some liberals think the Affordable Care Act isn’t more popular because Barack Obama didn’t do a good enough job selling it. Here are the five reasons why that’s wrong.

    http://prospect.org/article/myth-obamacares-bad-sales-job

    • 22 anniebella
      October 7, 2013 at 10:39 am

      Why didn’t the liberals help sell Obamacare? Why did it all fall on President Obama? Always blame Obama, the right and left.

  8. 23 amk for obama
    October 7, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Do the ss & medicare checks go out when the govt is shut down?

    • 24 sherijr
      October 7, 2013 at 10:10 am

      they did this month- for October… I don’t know about next month ?? and that worries me… at which point SS and Medicare will be affected.

      • 25 57andfemale
        October 7, 2013 at 10:21 am

        Checks go out during a shutdown. If we don’t raise the debt ceiling, the bond market collapses, and that’s where the Social Security ‘trust fund’ is. That is major calamity.

        I read a re-tweeted tweet yesterday (probably here!) where the tea party types WANT the collapse. Literally – they want it. Then the United States is destroyed, no one will invest in us anymore, and the government can indeed be drowned in a bath tub.

        This is Boehner and McConnell’s fault. Cantor and the rest of House Republican leadership are tea party idiots. History will blame Boehner for this mess.

        • 26 sherijr
          October 7, 2013 at 12:01 pm

          Boehner needs to be blamed for this- all of them do. I absolutely believe this is exactly what they want- economic collapse- that is their end goal. They do not care about any of us.

          • 27 57andfemale
            October 7, 2013 at 12:39 pm

            And a MSM that would have destroyed Dem’s if they tried to anything remotely similar. It’s Through the Lookingglass. It’s insane.

      • October 7, 2013 at 11:27 am

        Sherijr, SS and Medicare are NOT affected by the shutdown because they come out of the mandatory budget, not the discretionary one. However, in the event of a debt ceiling breach, all bets are off and SS checks and Medicare WILL be affected. If the Repubs want to get a massive lesson in the importance of government to the American people, let them hear the howls of outrage from seniors left without means of support or medical care. For years, Repubs have talked blithely about cutting “entitlements” that people happen to have worked and saved for all their lives. They will see how vital entitlements are to their own well being if they so cripple the treasury that the checks don’t get sent.

        • 29 sherijr
          October 7, 2013 at 11:59 am

          exactly.. how I heard POTUS explain it, thanks for responding with the facts. I get SS to as I’m disabled.. and I know that if the debt ceiling breach occurs- my son and I, amongst many many other folks are going to be in serious trouble.

    • 30 anniebella
      October 7, 2013 at 10:41 am

      If the debt limit is not raise, that is when there might be trouble with SS checks and Medicare.

      • 31 amk for obama
        October 7, 2013 at 10:44 am

        If they don’t go out if the debt limit is not raised, won’t the same teabagging crowd raise hell? So, what’s the end game herr?

        • October 7, 2013 at 10:54 am

          Not raising the debt ceiling will be catastrophic and it will be global.

          It’s now abundantly clear that the GOP have no endgame. They don’t know what they’re doing and they don’t know why. It’s really reached a new level of dysfunction that is just about unfathomable.

          AND the MSM are still not questioning the whole mess as anything more than both sides do it.

          • 33 amk for obama
            October 7, 2013 at 11:01 am

            I meant the teabagging nutters. Ok, no govt, no debt ceiling raise, no ss/mc checks. Now what?

            • October 7, 2013 at 11:24 am

              They’re nihilists who hate government even if it doesn’t make sense. They’ll just blame PBO and take their guns to the streets.

              • 35 amk for obama
                October 7, 2013 at 11:29 am

                As scary as that last scenario is, where exactly are going to get the money to buy the beloved guns and ammo? Their 1%ers wouldn’t give a fuck about them.

          • 36 57andfemale
            October 7, 2013 at 11:23 am

            I read over the weekend that this is precisely what they want – they want the full faith and credit of the United States to collapse. Then no one will invest in us and they can indeed drown government in a bath tub.

            Literally.

        • 37 57andfemale
          October 7, 2013 at 11:22 am

          It will be ‘Obama’s fault’ because he didn’t acquiesce to their demands, obliterate his agenda upon which he was elected – twice. If he doesn’t act like the tea party, then it’s his own damned fault, according to them. Any harm that befalls them will be his fault.

          A solid 35% of Americans will believe that, and only that. And it doesn’t help that the MSM is pushing RW memes 24/7. Imagine if Harry Reid had said he would shut down the government if Bush didn’t repeal his own tax cuts or pull out of Iraq. Imagine how the American press would have treated THAT.

          Of course, what do Republicans want from these so-called ‘negotiations?’ Destruction of Social Security and Medicare of course. It’s the effing Twilight Zone. No – I take that back. There are moral and ethical principles in the Twilight Zone episodes.

        • October 7, 2013 at 11:30 am

          You bet it will affect teabaggers, Amk, a lot of whom are old white men who are utterly dependent on their SS checks and Medicare. It’s easy to put on silly hats and rant about theoretical government/Obama enemies, but when it starts seriously hurting your own life, it’s not fun and games anymore.

  9. 39 99ts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Hi everyone – completely off topic – thankyou to the lovely folks who wished me a happy day with my grandbabe today – she is like a tornado pulling my house apart – I am utterly exhausted after an hour or so – takes her about 4 hours to crash. It was nice to have time out with a child who does childish things – despite it reminded me of the adults who will not stop doing childish things

  10. 40 vcprezofan2
    October 7, 2013 at 10:08 am

    GooOOOood Morning, folks!

    Hmmmmmm. I notice that all this extra ‘rest’ Chips Chica has been getting has been pushing her out of bed earlier and earlier, especially on Monday mornings! Remember when Monday was on the list of her least favourite days? I do. These days it looks like I’ll have to recalibrate my mind if I want to get here before her. …….Nah! I’ll just stroll in when ever and say

    “Hi, you all. Have a great day!”

    Ms Chips, THANK YOU for all you have prepared to keep me busy (and out of trouble)! Off I go! 😀

  11. 43 Ladyhawke
    October 7, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Clueless Republicans hatch incoherent shutdown strategy

    The GOP’s fixation on extracting anything from Obama is blinding them to the incoherence of their game plan

    BY BRIAN BEUTLER

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    “We’ve lost the CR battle,” Rep. Dennis Ross, R-Fla., told Bloomberg this weekend. “We need to move on and take whatever we can find in the debt limit.”

    Ross’ comments echo those of Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., who became the butt of every joke in D.C. last week when he told the conservative Washington Examiner “We’re not going to be disrespected. We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”

    The GOP has fully internalized this sunk cost fallacy. What’s worse, and scarier, is that many of them take no responsibility for the fact that they put themselves in the position they’re in. They hold Obama accountable somehow for allowing them to inflict wounds upon themselves, and now he owes them a price for it.

    In that sense, House Republicans have become the entitlement society of their fever dreams, in microcosm.

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    http://www.salon.com/2013/10/07/the_internal_illogic_of_the_republicans_shutdown_strategy/

  12. 44 desertflower
    October 7, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Lovin’ this!!

    • 45 hopefruit2
      October 7, 2013 at 10:21 am

      And it’s going to happen 🙂

    • 47 cookemom
      October 7, 2013 at 10:42 am

      I visited Mt Rushmore last month and have already picked out the spot for PBO. Actually, there’s no room for him between Jefferson and Teddy. The place for PBO is to the right of Lincoln. It’s just sitting there waiting for someone to start carving.

      • 48 jacquelineoboomer
        October 7, 2013 at 11:01 am

        Good news. Although I’d like PBO to get his own mountain, my second choice would be next to Lincoln on Mt Rushmore!

        • 49 cookemom
          October 7, 2013 at 11:09 am

          Well, how’s about us TODsters take a field trip to a mountain somewhere and get to carving. I suggest before the parks reopen so that we have a chance to finish our specimen before we get caught with blue berries all over our faces.

          • 50 jacquelineoboomer
            October 7, 2013 at 11:16 am

            If ya pick a warm climate, I’m in. (PBO and Blueberries: sounds like a plan! I can see him at the groundbreaking, with your trying to nominate yourself as “hostess of the monument”!)

            And, if we make it Hawaii, the GOP will never find us … they don’t even know it’s part of our nation!

          • October 7, 2013 at 11:18 am

            “…how’s about us TODsters take a field trip to a mountain somewhere and get to carving”

            😆 I’m all set, Cookemom!

            • 52 cookemom
              October 7, 2013 at 4:25 pm

              ha, ha, I was out scoping for some mountaintops and missed this. Had I known you had the tools, I’d have found something a little more challenging than the hill that the neighbor kids use for skate and snow boarding.

  13. 53 Ladyhawke
    October 7, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Benjy Sarlin ‏@BenjySarlin 21h

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    If Boehner’s ABC interview doesn’t get Wall Street off the sidelines on debt ceiling fight, not sure what it will take short of default

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  14. 54 desertflower
    October 7, 2013 at 10:15 am

    This is people hating on healthcare:) NOT! Thank you, President Obama!!

    “The government website launched this week to sell health insurance was overwhelmed by up to five times as many users as it was designed to handle,” President Obama’s top technology adviser told USA Today.

  15. 55 57andfemale
    October 7, 2013 at 10:17 am

  16. 56 desertflower
    October 7, 2013 at 10:18 am

    http://bridgeproject.com/?blog_detail&id=48 h/t MaddowBlog

    Even Republicans Blame Republicans For The Shutdown
    As we look back on this week, four days into the government shutdown, an unlikely bipartisan consensus has emerged in Washington: Extreme Tea Party Republicans are to blame for putting hundreds of thousands of people out of work and depriving millions of services they depend on.
    It is clear to objective observers that while Democrats have already compromised by swallowing post-sequester funding levels they despise, intransigent Tea Party Republicans refuse to budge from their position. The Republicans’ so-called leaders are unwilling to allow a vote to fund the government at current levels, which would pass, unless they can strip funding away from the Affordable Care Act – funding that has already been appropriated by Congress and is unrelated to the bills currently being debated.
    Conservatives’ irrational and unreasonable approach to governing has resulted in a circular firing squad within the GOP. Whether publicly on television, or behind the closed doors of the Senate’s Mansfield Room, nervous Republicans are blaming their own for the current mess in Washington.
    Tea Partiers are inarguably in the driver’s seat of the Republican Party, but there still exist some conservatives in Congress who believe their primary job is to govern. Those who do are unambiguous about who is to blame for the government shutdown: bullheaded members of their own party.

    Video at the link

  17. 57 hopefruit2
    October 7, 2013 at 10:25 am

  18. October 7, 2013 at 10:29 am

    99ts posted a link to this article last night (or in the morning for her).

    It is very disturbing that McConnell’s legacy could be as the person who thwarted any defense against the US being run as a plutocracy, with “government” solely in the hands of people with billions to burn.

    McConnell’s Real Legacy Now Hangs in Supreme Court’s Balance

    “McConnell] is ‘the Senate’s most passionate defender of the First Amendment guarantee of unrestricted political speech,’ as McConnell told the Supreme Court in asking for rare permission to promote his position before the justices even though he’s not one of the parties in the case.

    McConnell has been given 10 minutes of the hour-long argument — a sign the court is seriously entertaining his view that there should be no limits at all on donations to congressional and presidential candidates or to the party organizations that exist to help get them elected.

    Anything close to such a landmark ruling would surely stand as one of the biggest triumphs of the senator’s career, whether he survives for a sixth term or not.”

    Very disturbing.

  19. October 7, 2013 at 10:33 am

  20. 63 Jovie
    October 7, 2013 at 10:35 am

    This is why discharge petition not working

    • October 7, 2013 at 11:08 am

      Yeah it’s not going to work I agree because the votes will not be there. Nancy may be trying to force Boehner’s hand but she probably knows there’s no stomach on the other side of the aisle for it.

    • 65 57andfemale
      October 7, 2013 at 11:35 am

      There was NO WAY we’d get Republican signatures on the discharge petition. There are votes for a clean CR if Boehner signaled and used real leadership, but in this poisonous Republican party there is no way they would cross the picket line and sign the discharge petition.

  21. 66 japa21
    October 7, 2013 at 10:38 am

  22. 68 Ladyhawke
    October 7, 2013 at 10:46 am

    HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OATH OF OFFICE

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    The House Republicans took their oath of office and then promptly relinquished their judgment to the Koch Brothers, Grover Noquist, Jim De Mint, and Senator Rafael Ted Cruz, to name a few. This Constitutional Crisis is brought to you by the Tea Party and moderate Republicans in the house who don’t agree with them but still keep quiet. Their silence is enabling the dysfunction that threatens the well being of the country. There is no way that what we are witnessing can be described as well and faithfully discharging duties. The oath of office has been rendered meaningless.

    The Speaker administers this oath:

    “I, (name of Member), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God”

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    http://clerk.house.gov/member_info/memberfaq.aspx

  23. October 7, 2013 at 10:46 am

  24. October 7, 2013 at 10:56 am

    AWEEEEEEEEEsome….Rise and Shine….No place better for truthful info about what is going on in our country…so grateful to be part of TOD…

    thanks to alllllll who make it so….

  25. October 7, 2013 at 11:11 am

    I know Wall Street will be worried if it is not already. What concerns me is that the Tea Party is not that beholding to the Wall Street types. Establishment Republicans are but Tea Party, not so much. Their benefactors are billionaires like the Koch brothers. These billionaires can afford to lose 100’s of millions dollars if not a few billion dollars and still be very, very, rich. So if the economy crashes, they’re not going to be hurt bad enough to cause them any real pain. Everybody else? We’ll go to hell in a hand-basket.

  26. 77 utaustinliberal
    October 7, 2013 at 11:12 am

  27. 78 Ladyhawke
    October 7, 2013 at 11:12 am

    STEVE BENEN’S GLOSSARY OF COMMONLY USED TERMS

    What we have here is a failure to communicate

    By Steve Benen

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    With this in mind, I’d like to offer a handy glossary of eight commonly used terms in the hopes of helping the political world communicate more effectively.

    1. Compromise, noun

    What the word means to most English-speaking people: a compromise settles a dispute by mutual concession.

    What the word means to Republicans: a compromise is a resolution in which Democrats meet some or all of the Republican Party’s demands, generally as part of a larger extortion strategy in which Republicans are threatening the public with deliberate harm.
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    Too often, it seems Democrats and Republicans are simply talking past one another, seemingly speaking different languages. Here’s hoping this glossary of terms will help bring their disputes into sharper focus.

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    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/10/07/20855011-what-we-have-here-is-a-failure-to-communicate

  28. 79 MightyPamela
    October 7, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Hi y’all! For a totally o/t and very refreshing peek at something exciting happening in Sydney, check out my dear friend Sue at her FB page, Ceramics in Schools. Apologies that I do not have a link for you here, but FB has become something I very seldom understand anymore, and I could not see how to get a link to copy!! :oop: Anyway, take a bo-peep, as the Aussies sometimes (used to) say! 😉

  29. 80 amk for obama
    October 7, 2013 at 11:13 am

  30. 81 JER
    October 7, 2013 at 11:15 am

    • 82 Ladyhawke
      October 7, 2013 at 11:18 am

      Sahil Kapur ‏@sahilkapur 42s

      The shutdown & debt limit fights are about whether a losing party can set policy by threatening economic sabotage. Everything else is

      noise.

  31. 84 amk for obama
    October 7, 2013 at 11:17 am

  32. 85 Linda
    October 7, 2013 at 11:23 am

    The House is scheduled to be off next week. Will they cancel their phoney ” Constituent Work Week ” ?

    Click to access 113thCongressFirstSession.pdf

  33. October 7, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Greg reports some movement on the Senate side:

    Senate Dems to call GOP’s bluff on debt limit

    Senate Democrats are planning to start the process this week for a Senate vote on a clean debt limit increase, sources tell me – a move that could call the bluff of Republicans in both chambers and force them to take a stand on whether they will allow default and economic destruction if Dems don’t accept their unilateral demands.
    The move has the backing of the White House, according to a source familiar with discussions.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/10/07/senate-dems-to-call-gops-bluff-on-debt-limit/

    • 87 amk for obama
      October 7, 2013 at 11:34 am

      Excellent. All their impeach obama noise ain’t gonna happen.

      • 88 57andfemale
        October 7, 2013 at 11:49 am

        If PBO tried to take the 14th Amendment route, the House would file Articles of Impeachment. It’s their ‘blue dress’ trap for PBO. He ain’t falling for it. It’s what they want him to do.

  34. 89 57andfemale
    October 7, 2013 at 11:33 am

  35. October 7, 2013 at 11:35 am

    • 91 Linda
      October 7, 2013 at 11:42 am

      se·di·tion noun

      the crime of saying, writing, or doing something that encourages people to disobey their government

      incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority

  36. 92 Desertflower
    October 7, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Oh here we go! Check out Coburn saying there is no such thing as a debt limit on Political Wire! He’s such an ass. On my phone so it’s all I cando to type this!

  37. 93 utaustinliberal
    October 7, 2013 at 11:43 am

  38. 94 Vicki
    October 7, 2013 at 11:51 am

    In browsing through many websites today it is clear that what we have been saying at TOD for days is now a widely held belief.
    The shutdown is part of a coup d’etat that started in January 2009 according to one school of thought or in the Supreme Court’s role in the 2001 election according to other commenters.

    Whenever it started one attitude is clear.
    This is nothing less than an attempt to destroy our government and return total power to the Corporate hands that are funding our distress.

    We need to shut down the GOP/MSM/TP Corporate funded destroyers. Shut them down and vote them out. Which will slow their progress, if not stop it completely.

  39. 96 Jovie
    October 7, 2013 at 12:29 pm


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