Stand Your Ground, Dems




119 Responses to “Stand Your Ground, Dems”

  1. 1 japa21
    October 2, 2013 at 1:55 pm


  2. October 2, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Ack, didn’t see you were working on a post too, Chips! Reverted mine to draft.

  3. October 2, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    That is one hell of a letter. It’s quite frankly trying to shame someone who has shown to have no shame.

    • 16 theo67
      October 2, 2013 at 2:06 pm

      Given that the GOP still think there were WMD in Iraq (and now they’ve added that they think they were moved to Syria), this shaming will not be successful. They know no shame.

    • October 2, 2013 at 2:19 pm

      Problem is it’s aimed at someone without shame. If I thought Boehner had a shred of decency in him, I’d be more hopeful. The only thing that will work is real push back from people.

    • 18 vcprezofan2
      October 2, 2013 at 3:39 pm

      It is a great letter! I suspect Harry knows Boehner is shameless, but now the letter is ‘out there’ for those who know shame to ponder.

  4. October 2, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    No retreat! No surrender!

  5. 21 japa21
    October 2, 2013 at 2:03 pm

  6. 22 Linda
    October 2, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    An Arizona woman died after her boyfriend accidentally shot off a handgun he had tucked into his waistband Tuesday morning.

    The 18-year-old man had been hugging his 24-year-old girlfriend when she complained that the weapon was making her uncomfortable, according to KTVK.

    The man discharged the gun while attempting to remove it, shooting the woman, according to police.

    The woman was rushed to an area hospital and later pronounced dead.

  7. October 2, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    Wow, Harry! Tell it like it is!

  8. 25 jacquelineoboomer
    October 2, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Make them eat their own words, Democrats! Stand Your Ground!

  9. October 2, 2013 at 2:22 pm

  10. 47 Nena20409
    October 2, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    One, Two and Three…..wow Japa21…..Congratulations.

    A Tip Of the Hat to you!

  11. October 2, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    This is from the Norfolk, Portsmouth, Hampton Roads, VA. there is a big conservative, more liberal mix in the population. it’s a very big military and tourist area so they are already hard hit by the sequester and this makes it worse. They pounded the GOP.

    A wrecking ball inside Capitol dome

    ….America’s government, once the envy of the democratic world, has become a laughingstock….

    ….Why? Because a small group of tea party-led House Republicans so abhor the federal health care law that they will do anything – including embarrassing the nation and jeopardizing the livelihoods of millions of people – to stop it…..

    ….Even as an integral piece of the health care law – the launch of insurance exchanges – went into effect Tuesday, the argument to defund it continued. Positions hardened. The president and Senate made clear that they wouldn’t negotiate over health care.

    They are right to refuse…..

    • October 2, 2013 at 2:32 pm

      I forgot to mention that VA has an election for governor coming up. Dem McAuliffe vs. GOPer Ken “Cooch” Cuccinelli. Northern VA and the Hampton Roads area are both very dependent on government contracts. the comments in that article I quoted were very supportive of Dems.

  12. October 2, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Ha! Our local afternoon newspaper headline is going to cause our Republican congressmen’s phones to ring, along with Pat Toomey’s. With a zinger aimed right at the skinflint hearts of the county’s Republican population, it said “Lawmakers Continue to be Paid,” while thousands of others will lose their paychecks, monuments and parks close, etc, etc…. Nothing makes people angrier that someone being paid “for nothin.” I hope this makes jams their phones.

  13. 62 57andfemale
    October 2, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    • 63 globalcitizenlinda
      October 2, 2013 at 4:30 pm

      after all, the republicans are always quick to remind us that “Corporations are People”;

      is it possible for you to include that (“corporate personhood”) in another tweet

  14. 64 japa21
    October 2, 2013 at 2:26 pm

  15. 65 57andfemale
    October 2, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    all I would have added to Harry’s most excellent letter “….the conference we’ve been trying to have with Republicans on the budget for over a year.”

  16. 66 57andfemale
    October 2, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    How can I copy Harry’s letter and post it on FB?

  17. 71 hopefruit2
    October 2, 2013 at 2:34 pm

  18. October 2, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Man, what a crazy half hour at the library. I need a swig of water.

  19. 73 Linda
    October 2, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    “I say kick those Congressmen who sleep in their offices out of the Capital at night..

    Make them get a hotel room……”

    • 74 theo67
      October 2, 2013 at 2:52 pm

      Indeed – we’re not only paying their salaries, but their living expenses, too? Do they reimburse for the extra cleaning, lights, water, savings in accomodation, etc.?

      • 75 Linda
        October 2, 2013 at 3:00 pm

        I don’t think they pay for anything….

        I remember a Watch Dog group going after that a few years ago saying that they need to claim it as income because they don’t have to spend money on outside housing.

    • October 2, 2013 at 2:58 pm

      Linda, I hope their wastebaskets don’t get picked up or their bathrooms cleaned. Would love to see them carry PB&J sandwiches to work because the dining rooms are closed. Let them know hardship and, yes, throw the moochers who live there out the door. They don’t respect the people’s House. Why should they live there?

  20. October 2, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    I tried calling and e-mailing Harry Reid’s office, but due to the shutdown, you can’t get through.I wanted to thankhim. I called my rep. again and Boehner’s office.I had to leave a message with Boehner and spoke to a stupid staffer at my rep’s office. I asked what kind of men they are to deny children with cancer access to clinical trials at NIH. I also asked if they’d find it offensive to deny children with preexisting conditions healthcare? Without ACA they would be denied. It’s very frustrating.

    • October 2, 2013 at 2:59 pm

      You can access both through twitter. Leave a lot of tweets if you can’t get it all in one.

    • 79 57andfemale
      October 2, 2013 at 3:48 pm

      Every call, letter, email, tweet counts. We have to make that effort.

      My idiot twit of a Senator, mark Kirk, hears from me regularly. It’s also important to let the good guys know that we appreciate their efforts (although that’s tough for me – my congressional district line goes down the middle of my street and I can’t get emails to go through to my congressman.).

      A progressive talk show host yesterday suggested post cards. They don’t have to go through the mail testing for nefarious substances. I thought that was a great idea. Do they still sell postcards at the post office? I will look into that.

      Anyway, it DOES count to let them all know we’re paying attention.

  21. 80 Nena20409
    October 2, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    Mia Farrow’s “son” with Woody…..well lately, in a magazine, she is saying that Frank Sinatra is the kid’s father…..is about to be named a host at MSNBC for a weekend show? He was and is a brainiac….went to Yale or Harvard at a very young age. He is a Rhodes Scholar and a Lawyer now at the age of 25 working in Hollywood. I have always liked his concerns for the plight of others especially those in Sudan and Somalia.

    I know the kid is smart, but what experience does he have hosting a show? Hmm? I wish him well though. I would have liked it better had Joy Ann Reid been the one getting a show, even on the weekend.


  22. 82 Ladyhawke
    October 2, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Sahil Kapur ‏@sahilkapur 34m


    GOP blocking budget talks bc 1) they don’t want to compromise on taxes, 2) they want to use deadlines to force reforms they lack votes for.


  23. 83 japa21
    October 2, 2013 at 2:47 pm

  24. 84 Linda
    October 2, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    Look what Fox did.

    hahahahhaha…they are sooooooooooooo transparent.

  25. October 2, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    I saw on an earlier thread the question whether there were enough votes for a discharge peition to force a vote in the House. The other day, I came across an article on The Daily Kos (I know, I know) that was entitled “FYI-Discharge-Petition-is-NOT-an-option-here” because of the type of bill it is. Interesting read.

    What I’d like to know instead is whether there are enough votes now to overthrow Boehner as Speaker?

    • 86 theo67
      October 2, 2013 at 2:54 pm

      My question to you is: who would replace Boehner, since the GOP still has the majority? Likely Cantor – who is even more cruel than Boehner. They just need to do their jobs.

      • October 2, 2013 at 3:10 pm

        my wild question…

        would a coalition of DEMs and moderate GOP members vote to keep Boehner….Speaker?

        • 88 57andfemale
          October 2, 2013 at 4:13 pm

          They are not moderate enough to form a real coalition, except perhaps on some really extreme votes. They are not going to sing kumbaya and elect a moderate speaker. They are all afraid of a tea party challenge.

          Thank you again, John McCain, for telling the country that an RWNJ idiot can be a heartbeat from the Presidency. I personally place all of the blame ON YOU.

      • October 2, 2013 at 3:37 pm

        I commented on this in the previous thread, when the ? was asked what is Boehner afraid of:

        “I think it’s two things: 1. As many have noted, he desperately wants to remain Speaker; 2. He knows that if he finally corrals the #Teabaggers then the Republican House Majority will crumble.

        Probably more than half of the House Republicans will band together behind Cantor/Ryan, at which point, the others will either declare as Independents, switch to Dem, or simply caucus as Rs with the Dems. The outcome is that the House will come under Dem Majority control. That would be a good thing for America, for sure. And, by the numbers totally justified since House Dems received ~ 1.5 Million more votes than Rs in the 2012 election.

        But, it would mean the end of Boehner’s carrier, not just in Congress but on K Street. He’d likely receive all kinds of death threats, etc. But, fact is, one way or another his days as Speaker are numbered. And, the President knows it.

        As I’ve mentioned before, either climb on to PBO’s steamroller or be prepared to get paved.”


    • October 2, 2013 at 3:34 pm

      I used to go to Daily Kos and do every once in a while. One thing they are good at is going after Republicans so I scan their front page for any articles I might want to read elsewhere. BooMan has worked for political campaigns and has good analysis of things like discharge petitions. I know he’s written about that, but can’t remember his conclusion. The commenters are informed and civil in their disagreements. I just like to read BooMan’s posts. http://www.boomantribune.com/

  26. October 2, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Tell me again why DEMS are voting for Christie

    • 94 Linda
      October 2, 2013 at 3:01 pm

      They are easily duped in NJ ?

    • October 2, 2013 at 3:03 pm

      This makes me crazy, PF. How can ANY Dem press the button for this right wing idiot? New Jerseyites are running out of time to wake up from their coma. This man is bad news and he will keep dragging down the state. They need to compare the success of MD and California with the dismal failure of New Jersey in terms of growth and job creation.

      • October 2, 2013 at 3:07 pm

        I agree…I have been listening…I have not heard of any endorsement of PBO for Buono…Christie has run ads lining her to Corzine and casting her as a “tax and spend democrat”…I have not seen any ads from her…

  27. 97 Linda
    October 2, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    17 Republicans, ( the number needed if all Dems vote yes ) Have come forward saying they will vote for the clean CR if Boehner allows it.

  28. 101 Bill R.
    October 2, 2013 at 3:12 pm

  29. 102 japa21
    October 2, 2013 at 3:13 pm

  30. October 2, 2013 at 3:16 pm

  31. October 2, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    From that other liberal bastion, Buffalo, NY

    Republicans, in thrall to the tea party, are ignoring their duty to the nation

    So, they did it. Unable or unwilling to control the tea party zealots who have taken over the Republican Party, House Speaker John Boehner allowed his chamber to shut down the federal government over the issue of the Affordable Care Act. It was an appalling decision that flashes the party’s unfitness to govern a large and diverse nation.

    Make no mistake: This was the fault of the national Republican Party. Each side is blaming the other, but the fact is that congressional Republicans are pop-eyed and purple-faced about the health reform law. They care about nothing else and are perfectly happy to hang a “closed” sign on the front door of the world’s pre-eminent democracy. They will hold their breath and stamp their feet….

  32. October 2, 2013 at 3:40 pm

  33. October 2, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Read the article from a previous thread sharing the various editorials from around the country and how every one is calling out the Teapublicans. Well, same thing in our local paper and again remind you — very red area of east TN. This following the online poll yesterday
    Republicans at 49% to blame. Amazing!

    Listening to Thom Hartman online right now. He’s suggesting PO should have said, “Okay, you want to shut down the government. Let’s shut the damn doors…….ALL of them and tightly. IOW, SHUT IT DOWN totally. Yes, he realizes he’s trying to be responsible and the only adult in the room. Just now he said his prediction is they will extract something from him……..medical device tax and chained CPI. I know some of us have asked before but I’m asking again: Is there ANYTHING PO can do to stop this?? ANYTHING?????

    • 112 Linda
      October 2, 2013 at 3:44 pm

      I hate it when others tell PBO what he ” should do ”

      Just shut up already.

    • October 2, 2013 at 3:45 pm

      Anyone thinking President Obama is going to pay ANY ransom to reopen the Government and pay its bills is a fool. He has been absolutely clear he will not negotiate budget or fiscal responsibility vis a vis paying bills Congress has already incurred.

      #TrustBarack he doesn’t bluff ….

    • 114 japa21
      October 2, 2013 at 3:49 pm

      As I pointed out on the last thread, PBO cannot and will not make any concessions for two reasons. The first is the outrage from the left (including many non emoprogs) but more importantly, Iran.

      Giving in here would show the world and especilly Iran, that he will back down, which is what he can’t afford to happen.

      As everybody knows I am an ardent supporter of PBO, I will say that if he gives even an inch away, I will be extremely disappointed.

    • 115 4morefor44
      October 2, 2013 at 4:03 pm

      thom is interesting and has taught me a lot about economic history, but he’s been wrong a lot since the age of obama. he’s pretty firmly in the “emoprog” camp often, always scolding that darkly hued president who can’t seem to do anything correctly, and of course thom never has to held accountable for all the times he’s wrong, sort of like when he was a leader in the “kill the bill” faction that was trying to stop Obamacare from the beginning:

  34. October 2, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    The GOP’s Obamacare Suicide

    ….The initial response to yesterday’s opening of the state and federal exchanges that are providing affordable insurance plans to Americans who previously could not obtain coverage has Obamacare proponents dancing. Millions of Americans were not scared away by Koch-financed ads (including this rapey spot). Sure, there were glitches and websites crashed. But that’s natural, given the overwhelming demand. And the exchanges have weeks to work out the kinks before the December 15 deadline to finish enrolling people for the coming year.

    So while the Republicans have succeeded in forcing a shutdown of the government—according to the latest polls, not a popular endeavor—their crusade against Obamacare has harmed their long-term prospects in several ways:….

  35. 118 sherijr
    October 2, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    wow John Harwood is rather a dick.. talking to POTUS about HIS “tone” ?? good grief.. he ought to hear my tone- daily about these CRAVEN STUPID AWFUL LOW-DOWN DIRTY Republiskunks and the HELL they are intentionally putting citizens of this country through. He’s lucky POTUS is so dang kind… I’d have swatted him off his smug little chair.

    rant ovah 😉

  36. 119 Jovie
    October 2, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    House Dems tried the issue that Bob always brings up ; trying to force a vote on the senate CR.
    Not enough votes, but they’re trying.
    Good call Bob and almost.

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