Through the rabbit hole

So, for the second time in 17 years, Republicans—in a fit of pique—have shut down the government.

No, Barack Obama didn’t shut down the government. Funding government operations is the basic function of a Congress. Defunding, then delaying, then delaying the individual mandate of Obamacare has nothing to do with the budget. Obamacare is already fully paid for and brings down the deficit. Demanding that Obamacare be done away with as a price for not shutting down the government is similar to Newt Gingrich shutting down the government in 1995 because he had to ride at the back of Air Force One. One has nothing to do with the other.

At this point we have to ask: what will it take for our fellow citizens to wake up?

This has all come about because too many on the “left” didn’t see change happening fast enough, and decided to sit out in 2010. This has all come about because too many Obama voters from 2008 thought they had done their job, and the 2010 midterms didn’t matter. This has all come about because too many of our fellow citizens don’t take responsibility for their own agency, think that voting once every four years is the sum of their civic duty, and expect others to fight their battles for them while they lift not a finger.

This has all come about because Ed Schultz, a man with a megaphone, and others like him told Democratic voters to stay home in 2010 to teach Democrats a lesson for not loading up the ACA with ponies and candy.

This has all come about because one of the two major political parties has descended into a mania not seen in Western civilization since the Jacobins in revolutionary France stocked up on guillotines. The fact that President Obama has not only stymied their own cherished aspirations, but has continually succeeded in getting his programs enacted in the face of their opposition, has driven them to a dark place.

This has all come about because too many Americans reward ignorance and fear, rather than hope and intelligence. In no sane society should Louis Gohmert and Michelle Bachmann have any positions of responsibility. In no sane society should John Boehner be third in line to the Presidential succession. In no sane society should that viper Eric Cantor dictate what bills get to the House floor. Which makes me question whether we’re in a sane society.

This has all come about because people hear what they want to hear from Barack Obama. They hear “hope”, but don’t hear “work”. Hoping without acting is mere wishful thinking. A hope without the work to make that hope a reality is a mere fantasy. Obama never ended his campaign speeches by saying “I am the change you seek”, but by saying “YOU are the change you seek.” People just hear “change” and get gooey and go home and think everything will magically fall into their laps. They fundamentally misunderstand Obama’s message, and thus we are where we are today.

Yes, yes, polling is showing that people support the President, that the GOP is getting most of the blame for this travesty. But will those people turn out in their millions in 2014 and put paid to the notion of gerrymandering?  Will they vote in the numbers in which they voted in 2008 and 2012, sending the black guy to the White House twice? Will they donate, volunteer, buttonhole friends and relatives? Telling a pollster you think Republicans are reprehensible miscreants is all fine and well; if you don’t vote them out, they’re just nice words.

Is this what it will finally take to wake up this country? A political party holding the economy hostage because in 2009 a law extending health coverage to the uninsured passed? Because 30 million uninsured are worth less than the donations Republicans get from the Koch brothers? Because a party’s animus towards one man is so great that it’s willing to bring the world down upon our ears, as an enraged Samson amongst the Philistines?

I’ll admit it: right now I’m beyond jaundiced. All of this was so avoidable. But, paraphrasing Winston Churchill, Americans do the right thing, after exhausting all the wrong choices. Let’s hope 2014 is a case of that.

202 Responses to “Through the rabbit hole”

  1. 2 utaustinliberal
    October 1, 2013 at 1:24 pm

  2. 3 57andfemale
    October 1, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Well, here’s an understatement if I ever heard one:

    • October 1, 2013 at 3:43 pm

      This reminds me of the 2012 election. The MSM, GOP and Fox were on their fantasy island and the rest of the country voted with their hearts and made the choice that was best for them.

      • 5 57andfemale
        October 1, 2013 at 3:50 pm

        There is so much to make my blood pressure rise today, but if I allowed myself to become further irked, it would be the incredulousness of the MSM that ACA is actually something American people want. Do they really just listen to Republicans?

        • October 1, 2013 at 4:06 pm

          My blood pressure has more than risen. I’m boiling. I’m very happy about the healthcare law though. That’s the one thing that keeps me smiling. Looks like federal employees are going to be home for a long time.

  3. 7 utaustinliberal
    October 1, 2013 at 1:26 pm

  4. 8 utaustinliberal
    October 1, 2013 at 1:27 pm

  5. 9 vcprezofan2
    October 1, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    And pushing others down there too! ;(

  6. 10 utaustinliberal
    October 1, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    • 11 pkayden
      October 1, 2013 at 4:07 pm


      I love all of your tweets. I see them all over the place on other blogs so you’re message is being heard!

  7. October 1, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Hey there, everyone. Does anyone have a link for the video of the statement. i missed it and the video in the last thread doesn´t work for me.

  8. 19 Dudette
    October 1, 2013 at 1:29 pm

  9. 20 Dudette
    October 1, 2013 at 1:29 pm

  10. 21 debz
    October 1, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Great post LL. I just hope people will finally wake up.

  11. 22 utaustinliberal
    October 1, 2013 at 1:30 pm

  12. 23 Dudette
    October 1, 2013 at 1:30 pm

  13. 25 utaustinliberal
    October 1, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    • 26 jacquelineoboomer
      October 1, 2013 at 1:48 pm

      I saw the President’s remarks, but I shall go back and read all of your tweets, now, UT – to savor his remarks! He was not happy, and looks as though we’re all in that same club!

      I’m also so glad the President didn’t answer any of the jackals’ yelled-out yellow-belly questions after his briefing. Just walk away from them, Mr. President, so you don’t catch something!

      • October 1, 2013 at 3:14 pm

        Who was that idiot screaming at the president, asking how anything can happen if he doesn’t negotiate? He obviously didn’t hear a thing the president said–not one thing. There’s nothing to negotiate. The US House has to do its job–that’s the beginning and end of the story. It really irks me that idiots who shout this crap get paid high salaries and strut around acting like “journalists,” while decent people who do important jobs get furloughed.

        • 28 jacquelineoboomer
          October 1, 2013 at 3:17 pm

          I don’t know who it was – Henry or Todd or another jackal – but totally NOT on point and totally rude. They used to yell at Reagan and he’d pretend to have hearing loss. President Obama just walks his dignified self away from them!

        • October 1, 2013 at 4:47 pm

          I kind of wish he’d turn to them and ask them what they think he should give up in exchange for Republicans to do their job. Should he have denied 30 million people their right to affordable care? or maybe he should have agreed to restrict women’s rights to contraception without having to seek permission from their employers? Which one of the right wing positions do they think the President should have agreed to in exchange for avoiding a government shutdown? The media is nauseating.

  14. 30 Vicki
    October 1, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    I have no patience for the GOP claiming and complaining that the Democrats won’t negotiate.
    What the GOP did was an attack. An Act of War.
    Nobody suggested we negotiate with Al Queda, did they?

    • 31 pkayden
      October 1, 2013 at 4:10 pm

      Why should the Dems negotiate a law that has been passed, upheld by the Supreme Court and was part of last year’s election? Negotiate what exactly?
      Republicans are terrorists — nothing more, nothing less.

  15. October 1, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    CSPAN Video of the President’s remarks — http://www.c-span.org/Events/Pres-Obama-Remarks-on-Health-Care-Beneficiaries/10737441795-2/

    Thank you LL for your insights; we will prevail.

    Thank you UT for the tweets!! Very helpful when I’m conference calls and can’t listen 🙂

  16. 33 hopefruit2
    October 1, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Excellent righteous rant, LL. The time has come for us to stop being so apathetic and take responsibility for allowing extremists to take over our Government. I hope at some point soon, you will do a similar rant on the media – they deserve a lambasting as well.

  17. 34 jacquelineoboomer
    October 1, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Well said, LL. Thank you for sharing your thoughts which, coincidentally, are everybody’s thoughts! Well, everybody with a heart and soul.

    Thank you, President Obama, for speaking to the nation today. Most of us hear you, I’m hoping! Sorry some losers weren’t with you in 2010, but hoping 2014 will be ours for the taking (Democrats, that is!), if we put on the work boots and show up.

  18. 35 amk for obama
    October 1, 2013 at 1:45 pm

  19. 36 Nena20409
    October 1, 2013 at 1:49 pm


    Lovely. This is right after the address this afternoon by the POTUS.

  20. 39 Nena20409
    October 1, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    LL…..you are Soooooo Gooood!


  21. October 1, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    This is what it’s about in the final analysis

  22. 45 hopefruit2
    October 1, 2013 at 1:56 pm

  23. October 1, 2013 at 1:56 pm

  24. 48 Nena20409
    October 1, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    10-1-13 WH presser is about to Get Going LIVE with Jay “Clark Kent” Carney.

    It will also air on Whitehouse.gov too


  25. October 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm

  26. October 1, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Thank you train LL.
    The most important political office in America is that of the private citizen. ~ Judge Louis D. Brandeis

  27. 53 japa21
    October 1, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    LL, once again you hit the nail on the head. And what I appreciate is that, although going back to show hwo we ended up in this mess, you didn’t stop there.

    You look ahead. Yes, a lot of good people dropped the ball in 2010. But it should be remembered that a lot of the TP people got in with very small margins of victory. And even thoguh many states have done gerrymandering, we can’t let that deter us from doing everything we can to turn this around next year.

    I have already seen a lot of defeatism, saying we can’t do anything about Congress until 2020. I say BS. The GOP has handed us the means to throw them out of power and it will be our own fault, not the fault of gerrymandering, not the fault of emoprogs, not even the fault of the media, if we don’t take full advantage of this moment.

  28. 60 hopefruit2
    October 1, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    I hope the Senate kills this nonsense, and calls out the GOP for their BS posturing, divide n conquer shenanigans.

    • 61 pkayden
      October 1, 2013 at 4:18 pm

      Just seeing on Martin Bashir that it was Ted Cruz who suggested a week ago that House Republicans pass mini budgets on a piecemeal basis to fund individual agencies. Disgusting people!

    • 62 Lovepolitics2008
      October 1, 2013 at 5:08 pm

      The point of this : diminish the pressure to end the shutdown. The services who will remain closed are the ones hurting the people who are too vulnerable and unable to protest, and the ones where the general population doesn’t feel a direct, immediate impact.

      I hate republicans, but I have to give it to them: they’re good at playing dirty games, at putting democrats in a difficult position. They SUCK at governing but they are experts in dirty political games. Granted in the long run they may lose, but with the help of the media they don’t pay as big a political price as they should for their shenanigans.

      • 63 hopefruit2
        October 1, 2013 at 6:29 pm

        And trust me, the WH and the SENATE Dems know exactly what the GOP is up to here. This dog won’t hunt.

      • 64 hopefruit2
        October 1, 2013 at 6:31 pm

        Also, one of the reasons that the GOP appear to be successful in playing dirty games, is that so little is expected of them, relative to the Dems who can’t please certain groups of people no matter what they accomplish.

        It’s not because of any particular skill/talent/ability of the GOP- it’s because the GOP is operated by monied interests which tend to dictate how things go in this country.

  29. 65 Linda
    October 1, 2013 at 2:12 pm


    I turned on the TV and first thing I hear is Tamryn Hall with the ” Both sides ” blame game.

    • 66 hopefruit2
      October 1, 2013 at 2:15 pm

      Heh..you have good company 🙂

    • October 1, 2013 at 2:49 pm

      I used to have MSNBC on all day. Except for Lawrence and occasionally Rev. All, I never turn it on now. I turned on Lawrence last night and got Wagner. Lawrence must not be a willing player in managements demands of reporting. Just fast forwarded it until Pres. Obama came on then to bed. Nice thing about MDT is that we’re 2 hrs behind EST. 😉

  30. 70 hopefruit2
    October 1, 2013 at 2:14 pm

  31. 71 japa21
    October 1, 2013 at 2:19 pm

  32. 83 Anna
    October 1, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Great reading LL. No TV for me, not listening to poor excuses we have for the media. My source is TOD, thanks to all that keep me up to date and informed.

  33. 85 Nena20409
    October 1, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    😯 😯 😯


    A planned Ku Klux Klan gathering in Gettysburg, Pa. was canceled due to the government shutdown, Philadelphia’s WCAU reported Tuesday.

    A Maryland-based KKK group was approved to hold a rally on Oct. 5 at Gettysburg National Military Park, according to WCAU. Park officials told the news station that the rally won’t happen because they revoked all permits for special events when the shutdown began Tuesday.


    I hope that when the Fed Gov’t is back and running that People of good will drum them out with a larger protest.

  34. October 1, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Hey friends, I just checked our local paper online. There’s a poll: Who is most responsible for shutdown? Republicans: 49% Democrats 28% Both 22%. Let me just remind all of you this is in Knoxville, TENNESSEE–very red area. The comment boards of the paper are fujll of hate, hate, hate every day. I know there’s no way this poll is “rigged”. I find this very telling for the Republicans.

    I haven’t had time to call Rep. Duncan but will before the day is over. Will be working/serving in our Hope Initiative program from 3:30-8:00 so gotta get my call done soon.

  35. 88 GGail
    October 1, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    I received this from OFA today…

    Because an extreme group of House Republicans refused to pass a real budget, the federal government has shut down.

    These aren’t just games. Speaker Boehner is letting one faction of one party in one chamber of Congress sabotage our economy. They shut down the government, and now some of them are ready to push us past the brink by refusing to do something every American does — pay their bills.

    If this makes you angry, that’s because it should. This behavior from some Republicans in Congress is as irresponsible as it gets.

    This fight just got a whole lot more real and a whole lot more urgent — right now, we need to know who’s going to help hold these Republicans accountable. Say you will:


    Thanks — more as we know it,


    Jon Carson
    Executive Director
    Organizing for Action

    P.S. — If you’re looking for somewhere to direct your frustration online, there’s only one man who can stand up to this irresponsible behavior — that’s John Boehner. Tweet at him right now, and let him know you’re holding him responsible.

  36. 89 vcprezofan2
    October 1, 2013 at 2:27 pm

  37. 90 vcprezofan2
    October 1, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Okay family, I think we could use a chuckle right about now.

    • 91 vcprezofan2
      October 1, 2013 at 2:36 pm

      This reminded me of Amk’s ‘wimmin’ refrain. 😉

    • 92 nospin
      October 1, 2013 at 3:23 pm

      this is my favorite skit on the Cosby show. lololol

      • 93 0388jojothecat
        October 1, 2013 at 3:45 pm

        I just love Phylisha Rashad and Debbie Lewis, they are phenominal women (excuse my misspelled words). In the L.A. Sunday times there is a article in the Calendar section about her daughter who is an actress too.

  38. 94 amk for obama
    October 1, 2013 at 2:39 pm

  39. 95 Nena20409
    October 1, 2013 at 2:41 pm


    “If they want to open the government, they should open the government,” he said. “Then we can negotiate about how we fund our budget priorities in the future. A piecemeal approach to funding the government is not a serious approach.

  40. October 1, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    Senator Reid live on CSPAN …. rousing welcome …. and he’s trash talking Republicans !!!!

  41. 97 57andfemale
    October 1, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    I’m really interested in what rates and coverage are available. I’ve copied a comment from (gasp!) dKos with excellent, specific info from CA. To the BT, can I post the comment and still not awaken the copyright gods?

  42. 98 Dakota
    October 1, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Good Afternoon TOD Family.

    Have been a bit under the weather lately, but I’ve been doing my part by sharing with people where they can sign up for ObamaCare. Pleasantly surprised and happy with the responses. The Office of African American Affairs will be hosting a town hall here in November explaining the ACA and taking questions from the community. I’m looking forward to that.

    This is way off the subjects of today, but I’m very proud to post an article about my late brother-in-law, Jeff Diggs, who had a street named after him in Queens, NY on Saturday. He was a civil rights activist, a writer and one of the first African American reporters for the New York Daily News.


    • 99 Gazelle
      October 1, 2013 at 4:15 pm

      Dakota, feel better! What a lovely tribute to your Brother-in-Law! He sounds like a righteous person! Love the photos and Sonia looks lovely! Thanks for sharing.

    • 100 theo67
      October 1, 2013 at 5:06 pm

      Dakota – that kind of news about your brother-in-law is always welcome – congratulations! He sounds like he was a remarkable person, and did good with his time on earth.

  43. 101 globalcitizenlinda
    October 1, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Watching the live video of PBO, that hug by the lady beneficiary made emotional (again).

    Looking at the photo of this hug, I couldn’t help but think of PBO’s dear mother;

    What a precious gift Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham and his grand parents gave to the world!!!

    We are so lucky that PBO chose public service

  44. October 1, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Righteous rant LL and totally justified. Bravo!

  45. October 1, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    the idea of the piecemeal approach came from pat buchanan , last night on tv.

    • 106 57andfemale
      October 1, 2013 at 3:04 pm

      Cruz talked about this at least a week ago. Pat Buchanan hasn’t had an original idea his entire, miserable life.

    • 107 theo67
      October 1, 2013 at 5:09 pm

      And exactly how much will a piecemeal approach cost taxpayers in the administrative costs for each of those staffers that have to prepare, witness and process each of those piecemeal bills? The GOP don’t care one whit about deficits.

  46. 108 57andfemale
    October 1, 2013 at 2:55 pm

  47. October 1, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Sharing one more thing before I head out for my volunteering. Chips or someone may even want to find a way to front page this. I personally think it is that good. Her main point is perfect: IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU.


  48. 114 57andfemale
    October 1, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Wow, martha Plimpton is seriously on our side: https://twitter.com/MarthaPlimpton

  49. October 1, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    this day is a very special day for POTUS and all of us. I hope he enjoys it. He worked so hard for it and I will be forever grateful and thankful.

  50. October 1, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Several months ago I found this painting on Google+. Never got around to posting it. He just posted his painting and I asked him where he got his inspiration. I’ll post his reply. It’s too long for twitter and I’m hoping maybe one of our greats at twitter could condense it. 😉 Here’s his reply:
    I painted this over this summer. My name is Mason Holcomb, I am 17 years old, and I am in high school. I originally did a similar painting like this of my great great aunt’s house who had died this past year. Both of them contain hands holding some sort of structure. When I look at both pieces of my work I get a sense that the hands are the people who have taken care of and nurtured the buildings and institutions. In this case I feel as if it is the originators of the USA who feel proud of their work. Though they realize it isn’t without faults, it is still commendable. 

  51. 120 Linda
    October 1, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Conservative columnist and pundit George Will is leaving his decades-long perch at ABC News and joining Fox News, the network announced on Tuesday.


    He will fit in perfectly…he hates poor people too.

    • 121 jacquelineoboomer
      October 1, 2013 at 3:19 pm

      Unreal. Luckily, that’ll be less chance any of us will see him!

    • October 1, 2013 at 4:17 pm

      He’s such a windbag. He’ll be in the best place for all that hot air.

    • 124 Nena20409
      October 1, 2013 at 4:48 pm

      Will It has been a long time coming, hmm? So now, since THis Week has been booking Fox hosts and pundits as guests for a while now…..does that Mean that Bill Kristol will now be the replacement?

      Jonathan Karl is a Host once a Month. It is beginning to make sense now. They are spreading the RWNJs…..Corporate media my arse.

    • 125 theo67
      October 1, 2013 at 5:11 pm

      Fantastic – maybe he’ll disappear into obscurity with the other no-brainers at FOX.

  52. 126 japa21
    October 1, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Good article about a little understood aspect of the ACA, the medical device tax and why it is being opposed, and also why it shouldn’t be opposed.


    Key sentences:

    It’s understandable that they’d want to undo the tax – it’s also unrealistic and a bit weird. After all, the industry is going to get a LOT more revenues from the newly-insured next year, growing their top line and increasing profits as well. And this for an industry that already generates profits in excess of 15 percent of revenues…

    The other industries that are going to benefit from PPACA are contributing to the cost, so it seems logical that the device manufacturers should too.

  53. 131 No Child Left Behind
    October 1, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Good Afternoon,

    Is anyone else experiencing trouble with C-Span online? Nothing works. Are the staff on furlough as well?

  54. 133 hopefruit2
    October 1, 2013 at 3:31 pm

  55. October 1, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    I think you covered it. This was absolutely avoidable and we have certain lefties to blame for the 2010 tea party takeover. The GOP is beyond hope. I used to think the left had intelligence going for it, but at every turn, our emo stooges manage to assist the right in making bad situations worse. History repeating itself in the worst possible way.

    • 135 Claire
      October 1, 2013 at 3:42 pm

      I agree. I even read some idiots today who wrote that this wouldn’t have been a problem if the POTUS had pushed for single payer. Some lefties are just as stupid as rwnjs.

      • 136 57andfemale
        October 1, 2013 at 4:04 pm

        We’d have NOTHING. Wouldn’t they be so proud, like katrina van den Huevel pontificating from her estate in the Hamptons about what the rest of us stupid liberals should think. Let her shove her sanctimonious attitude and live in our real world.

        The Nation, Katrina and her husband, after extolling the great attributes of Putin and really, how bad are chemical weapons of Syria when we use DRONES!!!!!!, got an earful from me. They FINALLY stopped sending me their ‘invitations’ to subscribe again.

  56. 137 japa21
    October 1, 2013 at 3:42 pm

  57. 138 japa21
    October 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm

  58. October 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    New post in about 28 minutes, 16 seconds. Ish.

  59. 141 cluny
    October 1, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    we MUST push back on the MSM building up their ‘this situation might end up being worse for the president’ rubbish. this is urgent – everybody please pick a target list and start hitting back en masse. if you have friends on other pro PBO sites ask them to join in. there is no time to waste. i don’t tweet but am writing and phoning to media outlets to complain – I live oversees but the health care law succeeding is something i care about even though it doesn’t personally affect me. Remember if you’re tweeting to cc another sensible media personality into the tweet – the shaming approach/public humiliation gets the best results IMO.

  60. 142 57andfemale
    October 1, 2013 at 4:08 pm

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  63. 150 GGail
    October 1, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    I’m testing because I’m not getting notification of new posts 😦
    Did AT&T get furloughed too?

  64. 151 57andfemale
    October 1, 2013 at 4:15 pm

  65. 152 57andfemale
    October 1, 2013 at 4:18 pm

  66. October 1, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    CSPAN indicates both houses are in session but zero video feed from either – is anyone getting a video feed?

  67. 154 Bill R.
    October 1, 2013 at 4:21 pm

  68. October 1, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    For TODers who are not on twitter, honestly, there are so many success stories being tweeted today about Obamacare. It’s absolutely astonishing and fantastic. I feel such a sense of pride for PBO and all of us who fought so hard to pass this law and who really sweated it out during it’s passage, the SC ruling and the 2012 election. JUSTICE!!

  69. 161 cluny
    October 1, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    this is what I wrote to MSNBC

    If you would like to know why your ratings are on a slide it’s very simple – the shows/hosts have become unwatchable with their endless concern trolling. You obviously think your audience are morons with the endless false equivalences you hurl about on a segment to segment basis: “isn’t it up to the President to show leadership and negotiate”. A 5 year old paying attention could discern that the Republican party – and ONLY the Republican party are at fault here. To not acknowledge that and be truthful about what is going on is an insult to your audience and the many innocent people suffering as a result of the GOP’s intransigence. The viewers you are losing in droves are the Democratic/Obama base – get a clue and start being honest.

    A disgusted viewer,

    P.S I exempt the Reverend Al Sharpton and Lawrence O’donnell from this accusation – they don’t lie or concern troll thankfully.

  70. October 1, 2013 at 4:25 pm

  71. 165 57andfemale
    October 1, 2013 at 4:30 pm

  72. 169 Gazelle
    October 1, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    [I love my Rep Chris Van Hollen!]:

    […..] In an interview with me today, Dem Rep. Chris Van Hollen responded to all the GOP chatter: No negotiations that tie funding of the government to the undermining of Obamacare. Period, full stop. Van Hollen also suggested current signs from the House GOP may mean the government could remain shut down for weeks — with the shutdown ultimately getting tied up in the debt limit fight, escalating the stakes enormously.

    “We’re not going to negotiate the dismantling of Obamacare as part of keeping the government open,” Van Hollen said. “We are not going to go to a conference where they are threatening to shut down the government unless we derail the Affordable Care Act.”

    Van Hollen said that if Republicans want to enter into budget negotiations, there’s a simple way to do that: Pass a clean CR funding the government at current levels, and enter into normal budget talks. He said Dems would likely support a clean CR in high enough levels for it to pass.

    “We believe enough Dems can combine with some Republicans to pass a clean 6 week extension,” Van Hollen said. “Why has Speaker Boehner refused to allow a vote on a clean CR? The answer is his Tea Party wing is worried it will pass and we will keep the government open.” […..]


    • 170 Gazelle
      October 1, 2013 at 4:37 pm

      [Chris, the non-TP GOPers are hiding under their covers, they’re petrified of the Tea Party monsters they let out of the closet.]

      […..] Van Hollen also noted that if moderate and non-Tea Party Republicans really wanted a clean CR, as some reports suggest, they’d be making themselves heard: “We have to determine whether or not moderate Republicans are an extinct species. We keep hearing a small group of Tea Party extremists is running the show in the House. Well, where are the moderate voices?” […..]

  73. October 1, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    TOD twitter Brigade: OFA just opened a new twitter account:


  74. 177 57andfemale
    October 1, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    I’ve never in my life engaged with the Queen POS Jane Hamsher, but there was a tweet where she said Apple would have had a perfect website today.

    had to tweet her – has she tried the new IOS 7?

    STFU, Hamsher, you traitor.

    • 178 Claire
      October 1, 2013 at 5:17 pm

      Apple wouldn’t have people trying to sabotage their site. hamsher is a bitch, she is no different than ann coulter.

      • 179 57andfemale
        October 1, 2013 at 5:31 pm

        I really, really don’t want to engage her. But I am very tempted to send each and every of these heartbreaking tweets on the FP to her heartless ass. Let her face those people. She, along with the GOP = death panels.

    • 180 Lovepolitics2008
      October 1, 2013 at 5:24 pm

      Wow, if we needed any proof that Jane Hamsher is an immature, petty woman, this is as good as it gets.

      • 181 57andfemale
        October 1, 2013 at 5:32 pm

        Don’t go to her TL. I’ve never done it until today. It’s worse than you can imagine. Jane Hamsher & the GOP = death panels.

  75. 182 57andfemale
    October 1, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    This can’t be repeated enough:

  76. October 1, 2013 at 4:44 pm

  77. 186 japa21
    October 1, 2013 at 4:50 pm

  78. 187 Anna
    October 1, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Wow, the great stories about folks signing up, I knew ACA was a really good thing, I just didn’t realize how great. Thank you President Obama!

  79. 188 donna dem 4 obama
    October 1, 2013 at 4:54 pm

  80. 189 Linda
    October 1, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    How The Press Helped Cause The GOP Shutdown

    Years Of Bogus ‘Both-Sides-To-Blame’ Coverage Have Emboldened Radical Republicans


  81. 190 Linda
    October 1, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Ya know….one thing that really bother me last night when watching the House vote was that as soon as the Republicans reached 217, the Dem Yes vote jumped to 9 from 2 , They were waiting so that none of them would get the finger pointed at them form being a Dem that allowed the CR to pass with those crap Amendments.

    Ron Barber ( Gabby’s replacement ) voted with the Republicans….

  82. October 1, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    This is a trip:

  83. 194 57andfemale
    October 1, 2013 at 5:24 pm

  84. 195 Bill R.
    October 1, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    Friends, In Oregon our Medicaid program is called The Oregon Health Plan. The expanded version which is now Oregon Health Plan Plus, will be available to another at least 260 thousand persons. That’s a lot in a state of only 3 million. The state of Oregon has no pre-qualified 260, 000 people on food stamps, and sent them letters, which they have only to sign and return, and they will be auto enrolled in OHP medical coverage, thus bypassing the necessity of having to enroll through the health exchange, Cover Oregon. That is HUGE!
    http://www.oregon.gov/oha/healthplan/Pages/fast-track.aspx The Affordable Care Act is working miracles in people’s lives, most especially the low income and marginalized.

    • 196 nathkatun7
      October 2, 2013 at 2:34 am

      Great news, Bill R.! I spent six years in Oregon. I think Oregon has some of the smartest and most compassionate people in the United States. Even Republican Oregonians I remember (Gov. McCall, Sen. Mark Hatfield) were very decent people.

  85. 197 Linda
    October 1, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Hundreds of people seeking Social Security cards were turned away Tuesday from the agency’s Minneapolis regional office as the metro area began to feel the impact of the broad federal shutdown.

    Benefits will be continued to be paid out but “anything else is not essential,” said Ismail Mohamed, manager of the of the card center at the Minneapolis Social Security office.

    He estimated that between 600 and 700 people show up at the office every day to replace a lost Social Security card or get a new one.

    “I’m upset,” Darnelle Cousin, 29, who came to replace a lost card. “We should at least be able to get a Social Security card.’

    Marcus Huff, 42, of Pine River, Minn., said he lost his card, and was told over the phone by Social Security to go to the Minneapolis office 60 miles one way.

    He arrived Tuesday morning to find the Card Center door locked. “ I feel very, very inconvenienced,” he said.


  86. 200 lulu
    October 1, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    Just found out that my non-profit org is feeling the effects of the shutdown. We rely of federal grants, etc to work with fed, state, local government and local charities to pay for housing subsidies etc for our clients, with the shutdown, the money/grants are unavailable.

  87. 201 idon
    October 1, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    **** deleted ****

    • 202 99ts
      October 1, 2013 at 6:57 pm

      Andrew Sullivan is no friend of anyone – he supports Andrew Sullivan and has presented some very racist views on the intertubes

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