President Obama Speaks at Memorial for Victims of Navy Yard Shooting


5:0 PM EDT: President Obama Speaks at the Memorial for Victims of the Navy Yard Shooting

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192 Responses to “President Obama Speaks at Memorial for Victims of Navy Yard Shooting”

  1. 1 africa
    September 22, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Consoler in chief. Yes.

  2. 2 africa
    September 22, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    I am waiting to hear my president try to curb the heartache of many touched by this horrible act.

  3. 3 africa
    September 22, 2013 at 4:39 pm

  4. 4 africa
    September 22, 2013 at 4:40 pm

  5. 5 PrayerWarriorforObama
    September 22, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    May God comfort the hearts of those who mourn.

  6. 6 Nena20409
    September 22, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Gold, Silver and Bronze. Congrats Africa ❗

  7. 8 utaustinliberal
    September 22, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    ‘Not Again’ – The graphic sums it up.

  8. 9 africa
    September 22, 2013 at 4:42 pm

  9. 10 Nena20409
    September 22, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Former Col Wilkerson, Gen Colin Powell’s former aide said what?

    That McCain and Graham are bordering as Traitors? Wow…..

    I am posting the video here…..Please Take a listen. Thanks.

    • 11 carolyn
      September 22, 2013 at 7:17 pm

      Another person our limp media could learn from when it comes to asking questions!!!
      McCain Graham….bordering on traitors….that is powerful stuff!

  10. 12 sherijr
    September 22, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    the music already has me teary

  11. 13 africa
    September 22, 2013 at 4:53 pm

  12. 14 JER
    September 22, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    • 15 Nena20409
      September 22, 2013 at 4:56 pm

      It must have been where Rep King from NY got his information. This AM, via mediaite, King was already sure that those who attacked the Nairobi Mall got their trainings from US.

  13. 16 africa
    September 22, 2013 at 4:55 pm

  14. 17 sherijr
    September 22, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    POTUS & FLOTUS have arrived.

  15. 18 africa
    September 22, 2013 at 4:57 pm

  16. 19 Nena20409
    September 22, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    MSNBC is on behind me. It looks like Karen Finney is about to allow this Ceremony to be played Live? I hope so.

  17. 20 Linda
    September 22, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    c-span is also covering….

    Thank good cuz my speakers decided not to work yesterday….

  18. September 22, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    This Admiral is really pissed at the media …

  19. 27 africa
    September 22, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    Must be my computer. I am not getting anything thing on any of the links.

  20. 28 africa
    September 22, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    I guess I will have to rely on UT for her prompt tweets. Not getting any thing on my links. My computer, prolly.

  21. 30 africa
    September 22, 2013 at 5:10 pm

  22. 31 jacquelineoboomer
    September 22, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Love Defense Secretary Hagel, because whatever he says, he means. He’s tough and strong, with a soft heart.

  23. 33 Nena20409
    September 22, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    It now being reported that most Hostages in Nairobi Mall in Kenya were safely rescued. More stories are coming.

  24. 38 anniebella
    September 22, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Want the truth about Obamacare? Go to Healthcare.gov. We have to stop listening to Republicans lies.

  25. 39 yardarm756
    September 22, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    PBO could have been a preacher if he wanted. God how I love this man. 🙂

  26. September 22, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    We can’t accept this. No other nation on earth puts up with this kind of violence.

  27. September 22, 2013 at 5:32 pm

  28. 45 jacquelineoboomer
    September 22, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    “We cannot begin to comprehend your loss … ” – President Obama

    And I cannot begin to comprehend – nor do I want to even consider – our country without President Obama leading it.

  29. 49 Nena20409
    September 22, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Our Tears, prayers, words are No longer enough.

    Change has got to come from outside Washington.

    • 50 99ts
      September 22, 2013 at 6:27 pm

      For so many things change has to be outside of congress – Washington (i.e. the GOP version) is owned by the wealthy, the media and the gun lobby.

  30. 51 dotster3
    September 22, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    “Our tears are not enough. Our words and prayers are not enough. We are going to have to change.”

  31. 52 jacquelineoboomer
    September 22, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Remembering the Navy Yard victims:

    ” … doing their jobs, doing what they love; in this case, the unheralded work that keeps our country strong … and our Navy, the finest fleet in the world … these patriots doing their work, that they were so proud of … ” – President Obama

  32. 53 yardarm756
    September 22, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    POWERFUL!!! Let’s see how long it takes the MSM to muck this up?

  33. 56 jacquelineoboomer
    September 22, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    I cannot even begin to fathom how comforting the President’s words would be to the families of the Navy Yard victims, suffering through the harsh reality of their individual losses.

  34. 57 Nena20409
    September 22, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    Jon Stewart said on 9-18-13 that in 250 days in 2013…..there were 240 shootings involving 4 deaths.

    This nation is coming apart from gun violence.

    • September 22, 2013 at 5:48 pm

      And yet, profits for gun manufacturers are soaring – even running out of products to sell. For some, they worship money, and could care less about their fellow man. Tears really are no longer enough.

  35. 59 dotster3
    September 22, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    Heartbreaking—once again. President Obama has had to do this too many times. It’s unbelievable. We are going to HAVE to change. I know he feels it deeply. He had to catch himself from choking up a couple of times—-noticed it when he told of the husband saying his last words to his wife were what they were every morning. “Good bye, beautiful. See you tonight. I love you so much.”

  36. 60 jacquelineoboomer
    September 22, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    The President mentioned that these tragedies “ought to lead to some sort of transformation,” noting circumstances where and when it did lead to transformation in other countries. But he said, here, “nothing happens, alongside the anguish of these American families … ”

    “We can’t accept that … ”

    No, we cannot, Mr. President. We must get Congress to act. We must get the NRA to fold up shop, and sell the building.

  37. 61 Nena20409
    September 22, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    My suggestion to a Commenter at HP looking for an Oasis.

    You are so Kind. Thank you so very much
    Please visit….. theobamadiary.com where facts and truths are presented and debates are mostly respectful, thoughtful and with common sense.

  38. 62 anniebella
    September 22, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    I was listening to every word POTUS said today, once again he did a wonderful job. If only those cowards in D.C, who is in the hip pocket of the NRA, would get the guts to do the right thing, Dems and Republicans.

  39. 65 utaustinliberal
    September 22, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    For those who missed Pres. Obama’s remarks.

  40. September 22, 2013 at 5:47 pm

  41. 67 utaustinliberal
    September 22, 2013 at 5:48 pm

  42. September 22, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Heartbreaking. Absolutely heartbreaking.

  43. 69 utaustinliberal
    September 22, 2013 at 5:49 pm

  44. 70 utaustinliberal
    September 22, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    • 71 Nena20409
      September 22, 2013 at 5:56 pm

      You are one Twitter Speedster.

      Job well Done, Lady UT. I don’t know how you do it.

    • September 22, 2013 at 6:20 pm

      THANK YOU…THANK YOU…UT….Simply Awesome the service that you do with your tweets…

    • 73 99ts
      September 22, 2013 at 6:30 pm

      Thank you UT – the man speaks such truths

    • 74 Walking_on_ Sunshine
      September 22, 2013 at 6:45 pm

      Thanks UT. I always look for your tweets when the President makes a major speech. You sum it up so well with these quotes and make it so easy to quickly pass on the message. Not all of us are able to think so quickly so it is much appreciated.

    • 75 nathkatun7
      September 22, 2013 at 9:13 pm

      Thank you so much UT! You really look out for us who do not always get a chance to listen to the President directly. The President’s words were touching. It’s really up to all of us to band together and say to those gun peddlers and their servants in Congress: “ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.”

  45. 76 jacquelineoboomer
    September 22, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    I’m watching a recording of the President’s remarks, so I’m just a few minutes delayed in hearing him. May I say that the sight of all of the flags behind him, moving in the breeze, as if to say with each wave that each branch of our military and our entire country – which the flags represent – salute each and every word he is saying about the victims, our individual and national loss, and the need for transformation.

    “Even in our sleep, pain which we cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart … “

  46. September 22, 2013 at 5:53 pm

  47. 81 yardarm756
    September 22, 2013 at 5:54 pm


  48. 88 GGail
    September 22, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    It was a beautiful service. I can’t watch any more. My heart hurts too much.

  49. 89 yardarm756
    September 22, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Not only a President but a MAN!

  50. 91 FayPax
    September 22, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    This is for Tnmtngirl. Hope you’re still around. I meant to give you another link, but got caught up reading all the great ones everyone here points out. Since you’re dealing with people who want to compare Reagan to President Obama, you might like this link better. It is impossible to dish all the dirt on Reagan without writing a tome.


  51. 93 dotster3
    September 22, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    How many more hugs of the bereaved will President Obama have to give?
    Please, American people, rise up and be determined to bring about the desperately needed change to this violent gun culture which exists in this country currently.

  52. September 22, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    God, my heart is so heavy for our POTUS and for our nation. Too many people see guns and violence as the answer. I REJECT THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

    • 96 99ts
      September 22, 2013 at 6:35 pm

      Your President has more (X10) security surrounding him than any other world leader – that in itself surely shows the damage guns have done to the lifestyle of many Americans. Truly sad that the solution appears to be guns and lockdown

  53. 97 sherijr
    September 22, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    Just all too too sad. We have got to STOP THIS.

  54. September 22, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Friday at Ford, yesterday at CBC and today at the Navy Yard – Our President has taken it up a notch. The tone in his voice is pure – you’re either on the steamroller with me or you’re part of the pavement.

    I have always warned Republicans (and other fools) not to mess with this man. He’s got 3+ years remaining and he will become ever more potent as each day passes. Any notion of ‘lame duck’ is the idle fantasy of the totally delusional.

    #TrustBarack or get out of Dodge ….

  55. 108 Nena20409
    September 22, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    The Day many of our fellow citizens stop worshiping guns and replace that with worshiping Life…….then our Nation has finally grown up.

  56. 112 Eveingeorgia
    September 22, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    I can’t begin to describe how that speech moved me.

  57. September 22, 2013 at 6:10 pm

  58. 116 desertflower
    September 22, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    I know that this is O/T…but it’s my turn to ask for help! In this chat with a teabagger, and naturally, he has everything backwards of reality and is spewing talking points left and right.

    His last post: a portion of it anyway….

    When the government and Wall Street convince you to let the State take care of everything you’re creating a socialist economy. The Tea Party/Libertarian movement is attempting to undue the very things most of you folks hate – Wall Street, lobbyists, unnecessary wars. Why do you think Obama’s PR departments are fighting them so hard? The State and Wall Street control the purse.

    There are excellent ideas the Republicans have, but you have to have two parties willing to negotiate. Obama’s negotiates with dictators before he will the Republicans. It’s HIS way or no way, and if he shuts down the government it will be on his hands. No worries though Cinn – ignoring his limits of the Constitution works fine for Obama. He’ll probably push it through with an unconstitutional stroke of the pen anyway.

    • 117 FayPax
      September 22, 2013 at 6:18 pm

      Desert, he’s so freakin stupid, I don’t know how you could make a dent. He has everything in reverse.

    • 119 globalcitizenlinda
      September 22, 2013 at 7:47 pm

      could be time to leave this person alone – doubt you could do much to change them

    • 120 nathkatun7
      September 22, 2013 at 9:35 pm

      “When the government and Wall Street convince you to let the State take care of everything you’re creating a socialist economy.”

      This is a false statement! So, no need to take seriously any one who starts from a self-serving false premise as the basis for discussion. A false premise cannot yield a truthful conclusion.

  59. 121 yardarm756
    September 22, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    Sadly there will be no changes until a ‘bullet’ or two strikes someone within the “gated” community of America that declares their isolation as null and void.

    • 122 jacquelineoboomer
      September 22, 2013 at 6:21 pm

      Sadly, I fear you are right. And even then, who knows.

    • 127 dotster3
      September 22, 2013 at 6:25 pm

      Sadly, I don’t think that is it. I mean, 20 6 yr. old kids were gunned down in a classroom in a mostly upscale area of Ct., and that didn’t do it. Beyond comprehension. Change will only come when the American people are just finally so fed up with the continuous news of all this gun violence and decide—-decide that this is insanity they don’t have to endure and decide to match and surpass the passion of the minority of gun nuts in this country and bring the pressure until significant changes are made to our gun laws. There are way more of us than there are of them. It can happen.

      • 128 99ts
        September 22, 2013 at 6:38 pm

        A member of congress was gunned down when meeting with those who elected her – that should get congress working – but no, she was a democrat – so no loss to the GOP.

        • 129 Nena20409
          September 22, 2013 at 6:48 pm

          Reagan was shot on March 31 1981…..they did nothing? Eventually during Clinton, the Brady Bill was passed. 1992…..Dems lost big so they claim. I truly believe the loss was also, due to “Gays In the Military” “Health Care” “tax increase” etc.

      • 130 yardarm756
        September 22, 2013 at 7:28 pm

        The operant word here is “gated”. As in 1%ers.

    • 131 nathkatun7
      September 22, 2013 at 9:46 pm

      You know what, yardarm, I am not so sure any more. If the 20 children at Sandy Hook elementary school didn’t do it, I doubt that anything can change the warped mentality of these gun obsessed people led by the NRA. Our only hope is to be able convince the majority of Americans to throw the NRA prostitutes out of Congress.

      • 132 yardarm756
        September 22, 2013 at 9:51 pm

        That too will probably involve some gun shot wounds.

      • 133 yardarm756
        September 22, 2013 at 9:58 pm

        It’s something like reducing Amerikkka’s propensity for war would be easy if selective service was revived. So a few bullets flying through “gated” communities “spaces” will bring about rapid change….IMHO!

  60. 134 Dudette
    September 22, 2013 at 6:17 pm

  61. September 22, 2013 at 6:21 pm

  62. 136 globalcitizenlinda
    September 22, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    I am not even bothering to respond to those who are exclusively focused on a certain 2016 candidate at this time

    lost my patience with that crap and I fear I may say something really, really, unkind.

    my eye is on 2014 and current policy debates (too much is at stake now to give thoughts to what may or may not happen).

    • 137 nathkatun7
      September 22, 2013 at 9:55 pm

      I am with you 100%, GCL! We must do everything in our power to defeat these insane people controlling the House of Representatives. Frankly, I refuse to waste my time, money and energy, on a movement seeking to coronet someone as the Democratic nominee for 2016.

    • September 22, 2013 at 10:03 pm

      Yes, this “certain 2016 candidate who inserted herself into the
      President’s administration because it was owed to her for losing.

      This guaranteed that candidate continued media facetime for
      her next “inevitable” run in 2016. And for her attention seeking
      spouse also.

      The fact that Bill Clinton was considered as pivotal in some
      circles at the 2012 DNC continues to make my blood boil.

      I wish the Clintons would just go away…and quickly.

  63. 139 globalcitizenlinda
    September 22, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    thanks a lot for all the updates on the Navy Yard Shooting Ceremony – very much appreciated (missed the live event)

  64. September 22, 2013 at 6:33 pm

  65. September 22, 2013 at 6:33 pm

  66. 146 yardarm756
    September 22, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    I just got this from a lady I’ve known since ’50. I hope it touches some like it did me. (Hope I didn’t send this earlier).


    Too many people put off something that brings them joy just because they haven’t thought about it, don’t have it on their schedule, didn’t know it was coming or are too rigid to depart from their routine.

    I got to thinking one day about all those people on the Titanic who passed up dessert at dinner that fateful night in an effort to cut back. From then on, I’ve tried to be a little more flexible.

    How many women out there will eat at home because their husband didn’t suggest going out to dinner until after something had been thawed? Does the word ‘refrigeration’ mean nothing to you?

    How often have your kids dropped in to talk and sat in silence while you watched ‘ Jeopardy ‘ on television?

    I cannot count the times I called my sister and said, ‘How about going to lunch in a half hour?’ She would gas up and stammer, ‘I can’t. I have clothes on the line. My hair is dirty. I wish I had known yesterday, I had a late breakfast, It looks like rain’ And my personal favorite: ‘It’s Monday.’ She died a few days ago. We never did have lunch together.

    Because we cram so much into our lives, we tend to schedule our headaches…. We live on a sparse diet of promises we make to ourselves when all the conditions are perfect!

    We’ll go back and visit the grandparents when we get Steve toilet-trained. We’ll entertain when we replace the living-room carpet. We’ll go on a second honeymoon when we get two more kids out of college.

    Life has a way of accelerating as we get older. The days get shorter, and the list of promises to ourselves gets longer. One morning, we awaken, and all we have to show for our lives is a litany of ‘I’m going to,’ ‘I plan on,’ and ‘Someday, when things are settled down a bit.’

    When anyone calls my ‘seize the moment’ friend, she is open to adventure and available for trips. She keeps an open mind on new ideas. Her enthusiasm for life is contagious. You talk with her for five minutes, and you’re ready to trade your bad feet for a pair of Rollerblades and skip an elevator for a bungee cord.

    My lips have not touched ice cream in 10 years. I love ice cream. It’s just that I might as well apply it directly to my stomach with a spatula and eliminate the digestive process. The other day, I stopped the car and bought a triple-decker. If my car had hit an iceberg on the way home, I would have died happy.

    Now….go on and have a nice day. Do something you WANT to…not something on your SHOULD DO list. If you were going to die soon and had only one phone call you could make, who would you call and what would you say? And why are you waiting? I had a friend from high school that I was always going to call and never did. The other day her name was in the obituaries so we never had that chat.

    Make sure you read this to the end; you will understand why I sent this to you.

    Have you ever watched kids playing on a merry go round or listened to the rain lapping on the ground? Ever followed a butterfly’s erratic flight or gazed at the sun into the fading night? Do you run through each day on the fly? When you ask, ‘How are you?’ Do you hear the reply?

    When the day is done, do you lie in your bed with the next hundred chores running through your head? Ever told your child, ‘We’ll do it tomorrow.’ and in your haste, not see his sorrow? Ever lost touch? Let a good friendship die? Just call to say ‘Hi’?

    When you worry and hurry through your day, it is like an unopened gift….Thrown away…. Life is not a race. Take it slower. Hear the music before the song is over.

    Show your friends how much you care.. Send this to everyone you consider a FRIEND including me if you consider me a friend. If it comes back to you, it affirms your circle of friends.

    To those I have sent this to… I cherish our friendship and appreciate all you do.

    ‘Life may not be the party we hoped for… but while we are here we might as well dance!’

  67. September 22, 2013 at 6:39 pm

  68. 153 Nena20409
    September 22, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Iran is also offering their nation to assist in some Peace resolution in Syria? Wow.

    They are going all in……Nuclear, UN, US and now Syria? Wow.

    I am so hopeful for this week. Could Sept 22 2013 be a turning point for Peace?

    • 154 theo67
      September 22, 2013 at 6:48 pm

      I have my fingers, toes and eyes crossed! Very hopeful.

      • 155 Nena20409
        September 22, 2013 at 6:49 pm

        Is there a way to Cross all those in some TOD symbol here 😉 ❓

        • 156 carolyn
          September 22, 2013 at 6:51 pm

          A turning point for peace……could be a turning point for the human race.

          • 157 Nena20409
            September 22, 2013 at 6:52 pm

            Hear, hear…..Carolyn.

          • 158 nathkatun7
            September 22, 2013 at 10:36 pm

            Indeed, Carolyn! I think the fact that President Obama chose peaceful resolution for Syria’s chemical weapons crisis probably convinced Iranian leaders that the President is seriously interested in peace and not war. The leaders of Iran, like our leaders here, can be grouped in two categories: The pragmatic nationalists who would go to war if necessary to defend their country, but who. at the same time, would rather resolve disputes with the west rationally; and then there are the Irrational, fire-brands, who believe in Jihads and no compromise with the Satan Americans. It’s seems to me that the pragmatists have won the mandate of the people and ready to engage seriously with the U.S. and the west to resolve the nuclear issue.

    • 159 FayPax
      September 22, 2013 at 7:03 pm

      Just imagining what Netanyahu must be thinking tickles my funny bone. He’s not blustering now.

      • 160 Nena20409
        September 22, 2013 at 7:08 pm

        There is No election to unseat pres Obama that Netanyahu can kiss up to. The AIPAC and NeoCons are not as powerful as the media has made them to be.

        Now imagine how the world could have been since the late 1990s had peace been given a chance for all these years?

  69. September 22, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Hi everyone, I’ll have a new post up in a while.

  70. 162 Nena20409
    September 22, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    For those who might want to enlighten the mode a tad…….The Emmys are tonite.

    Here are 3 places to watch them Live:


    • 163 Nena20409
      September 22, 2013 at 6:51 pm


    • 164 yardarm756
      September 22, 2013 at 6:57 pm

      Watch the fake smiles and glitter? The Bears are playing the Steelers. I don’t think so.

      • 165 Nena20409
        September 22, 2013 at 7:03 pm

        Good luck with your Bears.

        Steelers, Eagles, Bucs and Oakland Raiders are my Teams. I don’t watch as much I used to. Other than the Super Bowls, I have not watched a full game since 2009. All my teams are not doing so well thus far 😦

  71. September 22, 2013 at 6:53 pm

  72. 167 99ts
    September 22, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    Mr Todd getting twitchy – replying to the tweets – thinks media matters is not telling the truth

    Chuck Todd ‏@chucktodd 5m
    @jazzmen_k @mmfa more made up stuff. Does anyone care about accuracy when they attack anymore? Seriously, folks ought to look in mirror

    hahaha – wonder what Todd sees when he look in the mirror

    Todd carrying water for the GOP and Benghazi!

  73. September 22, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    Todd is still getting grief from his stupid statement about what media is supposed to do…

    • 176 desertflower
      September 22, 2013 at 7:05 pm

      Here’s an idea!

      Milt Shook ‏@MiltShook 2m
      I don’t know how else to put it. If you are in the position of a journalist, and you blame OBAMA for BS permeating news stories on ACA, quit
      Collapse Reply Retweet Favorite More

    • 177 Nena20409
      September 22, 2013 at 7:05 pm

      Perhaps the petition is getting to him? 🙂

  74. 178 desertflower
    September 22, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Good read…..it’s not your father’s Republican Party anymore! They can’t even manage to stick to THEIR OWN VALUES!


  75. 179 africa
    September 22, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Chuck Todd can’t run from himself.

    • 180 nathkatun7
      September 22, 2013 at 11:02 pm

      “For those who actually asked what I meant&waited for context rather than assume headline as fact, thanks.”

      I am not on twitter, but all of you twitter warriors should tweet Chuckie asking him to practice what he preaches whenever he attacks the President based on “headline as fact” without waiting for “context.”

      What a blatant hypocrite!

  76. 181 africa
    September 22, 2013 at 7:09 pm

  77. 185 desertflower
    September 22, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    http://sulia.com/channel/liberal/f/a615e5dd-7abb-4cda-ae37-855496549228/?source=twitter AMEN! I swear that Boner said this the other day…I wouldn’t be surprised if, even after all this time in office, that he didn’t really know the difference between the debt and the deficit.

    If you’re going to argue for not raising the debt ceiling, know what it is first.
    Right wingers, a DEBT limit is not the same as the CREDIT limit on your CREDIT card.

    Now, I would think the fact that the idiot Republicans keep talking about a DEBT limit, and you keep mentioning CREDIT limits as a retort to those of us who try to explain to you that the debt limit has no effect on the deficit (except that, if the government defaults, deficits will skyrocket).

    If you really want a comparison that is similar, it’s not with a credit limit at Macy’s. It’s about maxing out the credit card and deciding not to pay. It’s about buying a Rolls Royce and then deciding not to pay for it.

    It’s a DEBT ceiling, not a credit ceiling.

    See, here’s the thing. A budget (or a continuing resolution since Republicans in Congress refuse to pass a budget) is for an entire year. But you don’t pay your taxes up front at the beginning of the year. Therefore, even if the budget was in balance, the government still has to borrow money to pay its way through the year. It’s the same reason you don’t pay all 12 months of your mortgage in January. It’s also the same way damn near every business in the world operates; few businesses pay cash up front; they borrow to pay for goods and pay the bills with the money they make from sales. What the GOP Congress is doing is akin to buying those goods and deciding to keep the money from sales.

    • 186 Nena20409
      September 22, 2013 at 7:15 pm

      Note How Not one Pundit, Journo worth his/her salt ever explains what a debt ceiling is.

      They just mention debt ceiling and moves on.

      The media is part of the problem in US today.

    • 187 theo67
      September 22, 2013 at 7:18 pm

      This is why anyone who actually believes that the Republican party knows anything about running an economy or a successful, sustainable business is delusional. Show me one thing they’ve done in the last 50 years that has helped the economy or any truly successful business that operates by the book.

      • 188 Nena20409
        September 22, 2013 at 7:22 pm

        Actually, I am not a crook, Nixon was the last elected POTUS with “R” after his name that tried to govern. He was a nutcase, but he was Never threatening to sink the nation.

        EPA. OSHA. FDA. Etc.

        • 189 theo67
          September 22, 2013 at 7:24 pm

          Ok – so I’ll revise my question. Any Republican since Nixon who has shown one sliver of actual concern and legitimate concern for the economy. So, not fifty years ago, but nearly 40 years ago… 🙂

  78. 191 Nena20409
    September 22, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    Only Our Enemies, Foes, Terrorists, etc can threaten US.

    Our lawmakers are Not supposed to threaten a nation that pays their salaries, right? Are you listening TBGOPers?

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