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  1. September 16, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    America’s infatuation with guns is undermining every aspect of our society

  2. September 16, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    Once again the nation pauses and is transfixed to the TV as we watch the horrific images of a mass shooting…we witness the almost 15 hour coverage of the gruesome events ..but tonight….tonight….there will be much 12 or more shootings/killings across this great nation…and there will be no 24 hour news coverage…there will be no shock and disdain…there will be no mourning for the loss of those lives except by the immediate family….

    When Will It All End??

    • 13 Jovie
      September 16, 2013 at 7:44 pm

      Repeal second amendment. Until then, violence continues.

      • 14 Nena20409
        September 16, 2013 at 7:50 pm

        Put REGULATE back in the 2n Amendment.

        I am 1001% with Doc Bobfr.

        Insurance requirement and Taxing the Amos as Cigarettes are taxed today would seriously shrink Gun ownership, usage and manufacturing.

        • September 16, 2013 at 8:00 pm

          Indeed Nena – It’s time to put the “WELL REGULATED” back in the 2nd Amendment. Am resending this letter to the President & VP that I sent on 15 Jan 2013 (1000s of more Americans have since been gunned down) …..

          Dear Mr President,

          300+ million guns in the possession of folk in America is way beyond the proverbial ‘horse has left the barn.’ It would be great to ban anyone other than the military & police organizations from owning semi-automatic weapons, but I think you have a much more pragmatic way of addressing that issue and several other gun violence challenges.

          You and your legal advisers are way more sophisticated than I ever will be so please forgive if you’ve already considered the following.

          1. Focus on the ‘well regulated’ clause of the 2nd Amendment and leverage it to issue and enforce substantial reforms via Executive Order – i.e., use the law of the land to maximum extent rather than rely on new legislation (for all the reasons we know how intractable that path currently is);
          2. ‘Well regulated’ would be reasonably interpreted as every gun being registered and accounted for at all times;
          3. ‘Well regulated’ would be reasonably interpreted as each person in possession of a gun is properly trained, certified, licensed, free of any criminal record, & insured for liability for unintended or illegal harm they might cause;
          4. ‘Well regulated’ would be reasonably interpreted as any person owning more than one gun was properly trained, certified and licensed for EACH gun and that their liability insurance covered EACH gun;
          5. ‘Well regulated’ would be reasonably interpreted as ensuring that each gun owner had their certification and license to possess every gun they own be renewed on an annual basis;
          6. ‘Well regulated’ would be reasonably interpreted as an accounting of every round of ammunition (as well as the equipment and components for assembling ammunition) a licensed gun owner purchased with limits set on the frequency of purchase no less stringent than the purchase of ‘Sudafed’;
          7. ‘Well regulated’ would be reasonably interpreted as any violation of the use of a gun, any conviction for DUI, any conviction for assault of any form, any conviction for use of illegal drugs, and any conviction for any form of violent threat or crime automatically results in confiscation of any gun, ammunition, etc., in possession of the offender.

          These pragmatic steps do not infringe on ‘2nd Amendment’ rights. These pragmatic steps do not require anyone to surrender whatever type of gun they have.

          These pragmatic steps require any person in possession of one or more guns to prove they are properly trained, licensed and insured – requirements no more onerous than those drivers of automobiles, operators of a vast range of equipment, school bus drivers, etc., must adhere.

          All those other activities do not have as their intended consequence killing. Only a gun has that intended consequence.

          So, it is merely reasonable that the operator of a gun meet at least as rigorous a set of training, license and insurance responsibilities given that that device has ONLY ONE intended outcome – DEATH.

          Thank you,
          Bob

          Yes We Can

          • 16 Nena20409
            September 16, 2013 at 8:08 pm

            Wonderfully Brilliant as always, Doc.

            Thank you.

          • 18 susanne
            September 16, 2013 at 8:35 pm

            excellent, bobfr. the requirement that gun owners purchase liability insurance is indeed an excellent first step toward ‘well regulated’ gun ownership. the insurance companies will demand the rest of the list.

            • September 16, 2013 at 8:53 pm

              Precisely, Susanne – that’s the model!!

              • 20 HZ
                September 16, 2013 at 11:12 pm

                Thank you, Bobfr. You have been so committed to writing to POB and his advisors on this issue and I am praying and hoping that he will get your letter by some miracle. I really do mean that. You have put as in the past so to the point. I do not know when or how, but I just know that I will not give up on your letter getting to his desk.

                Thank you so much for your courage to keep fighting for this, Bobfr. We all need this to get through. HZ

        • 21 nathkatun7
          September 16, 2013 at 10:56 pm

          “Put REGULATE back in the 2n Amendment.”

          Exactly! Even in the Wild, Wild West, guns were routinely regulated in order to keep law and order. The 2nd Amendment is not the problem. The problem is the way it’s grossly manipulated by people who have elevated it to the status of the “holly grail.” It is as if the only most sacred part of the U.S. Constitution is the 2nd Amendment. Never mind the fact that the 2nd Amendment is the on only Amendment, in the Bill of rights, that talks about regulation.

  3. 23 Jovie
    September 16, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    Rt

  4. September 16, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    Some days it just feels really scary. We have to pray and hope with a light in our hearts that violence will not always be the answer. PBO leads in this every day.

  5. 26 Jovie
    September 16, 2013 at 7:45 pm

  6. September 16, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Gun lovers actually declare that they LOVE guns. LOVE? It’s a deep-rooted perversion.

  7. 29 japa21
    September 16, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    I would like some of those people against expanded background checks to have to face parents, children, spouses of those killed today and so many times before, and explain to then that their loved one’s life was worth their not having to be inconvenienced.

  8. September 16, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    So the horror of the Navy Yard has finally hit me. Here we have people who wear the uniform who would probably be safer in the Eastern Med watching Assad than in their own country.

  9. September 16, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Horrific day. Again.

    Don’t know what to think about whether this will motivate Congress to act or not, if they were so callous after Sandy Hook? Seeing those children’s faces (can’t think about them without tearing up).

    Something has got to be done.

    Senate is meeting tomorrow:

    • 38 FayPax
      September 16, 2013 at 8:46 pm

      Everytime I see something about Stand Your Ground, I feel compelled to remind people that the law was enacted only two months after Congress finally outlawed lynching. Seems to me, they were hellbent on making certain vigilante justice had a legal foundation.

      • 39 nathkatun7
        September 16, 2013 at 11:12 pm

        When did “Congress finally outlaw lynching”? I totally missed that. Would you kindly share with us the specific Congressional Act, signed by the President, that ” finally outlawed lynching”?

    • 40 99ts
      September 16, 2013 at 8:46 pm

      And this is what teaches people to solve their differences with violence – that is one scarry graph

    • September 16, 2013 at 9:27 pm

      Don’t know what else could have been expected in Fla, Arapaho. “Stand Your Ground” is a license to kill with a get-out-of-jail card attached. Kill, kill, kill is what it’s all about and then lie about it later.

  10. 42 carolyn
    September 16, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    So glad Donna and hundreds of others are safe tonight, while I ache for the families of those killed. I worked for the Navy Department during college summers, in fact, my pay from them paid for half my college. This hurts in so many ways. Will ANY of the Sens and Reps stand up and take responsibility and pass gun laws for the benefit of us all?
    We watched NBC news tonight, and the clip of the CMO saying there is an evil in this country which we must eradicate was played. I was very glad. She spoke such truth. People need to hear that over and over until it gets through their prejudices and hatreds.

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  12. September 16, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    Couldn’t be more obvious ….

  13. September 16, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    JO’B may disagree, but I think we rely on far too many contractors.

    Those authors who wrote spy thrillers during the height of the cold war (pre-1970) would probably be appalled at how lax we are our with our national intel.

    • September 16, 2013 at 8:05 pm

      From the end of the last thread:

    • 49 carolyn
      September 16, 2013 at 8:12 pm

      I agree that we rely too much on private contractors. They can never be vetted to the degree gov’t workers are…Snowden is another example.
      If he was let go from the Navy for what is reported, then a private contractor doing the same kind of work should not have hired him.

      • 50 Nena20409
        September 16, 2013 at 8:25 pm

        Private Contractors exploded…..the usage that is during the GW Bush Regime.

      • 51 FayPax
        September 16, 2013 at 8:49 pm

        I can’t count the number of soldiers I know who have left the military in order to go to work for private contractors. The privatization explosion actually started under Bill Clinton, who signed the legislation.

  14. 52 desertflower
    September 16, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/16/let-s-not-wait-to-talk-about-gun-control.html

    It’s all happened before. It will certainly happen again. And after the recall vote in Colorado on September 10, it seems more certain than ever that nothing will be done to prevent it.

    “It” is mass casualty shootings, such as that which just occurred in the Washington Navy Yard. This historic facility now joins the long roll of place names indelibly associated with massacre and grief: Columbine, Virginia Tech, Newtown. I write on the day of the killing. Gun enthusiasts say it is inappropriate to talk about gun violence at the time it occurs. Better to wait … and wait … and wait … until time has passed, and the weeping next of kin have vanished from TV, and it’s safe to return to business as usual. The idea of the gun enthusiasts is that the way to show respect for the victims of gun violence is to do everything possible to multiply their number.

    So glad that you are safe, Donna….and my thoughts are with the families tonight that have lost a loved one to more gun violence. Needness, senseless gun violence. When the hell is enough, enough for these cowards?

  15. 53 desertflower
    September 16, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/16/2629921/navy-yard-shooting-gun-history/

    While police are still on the lookout for a potential accomplice in the mass shooting, details are leaking out about Alexis and they point to a disturbing history of gun violence.
    According to his hometown newspaper, The Star-Telegram, Alexis has had previous gun-related incidents:
    Tarrant County court records show Alexis was arrested in September 2010 for allegedly discharging a firearm within a municipality. The records do not indicate that Alexis was ever formally charged in the case.
    Later that same month, Tarrant County court records show that The Orion at Oak Hill apartments in Fort Worth began eviction efforts against Alexis.
    Alexis’s former roommate told told the Star-Telegram that the gunman owned a semiautomatic weapon and a concealed handgun license.
    Under federal law, it’s very likely that Alexis was still able to legally posses a firearm. Permanent bans on gun ownership are only handed out to very specific groups of people including felons, domestic abusers, and the seriously mentally ill. Some states, like California (PDF), have laws that more strictly limit gun purchases for people with certain firearms charges, but Texas isn’t one of these states. In fact, in nearly half of states, officials are still able to give a handgun permit to someone with a history like Alexis’s.
    If reports from the scene are right, however, Alexis’s gun possession Monday was illegal no matter his gun history. News outlets indicate that Alexis had as many as three weapons, including a semi-automatic AR15. The AR15 is banned in DC.

  16. September 16, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    All politics is local, and for all intents and purposes, Congresscritters “reside” in DC.

    • 55 anniebella
      September 16, 2013 at 8:33 pm

      I email my Republican congressman and told him that it is ashame that the Republicans are making it hardier to vote then it is to buy a assault weapon. This guy should not been able to get these guns, but thanks to the NRA and the cowards in the congress he did get them and kill 12 people.

  17. 56 donna dem 4 obama
    September 16, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    THIS!!!

  18. 64 Ladyhawke
    September 16, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    Shoq ‏@Shoq 1h

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    PETITION asking @MSNBC to give @theReidReport her own show. http://j.mp/15yDAK4 #p2

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  19. 65 Allison
    September 16, 2013 at 8:27 pm

  20. 66 desertflower
    September 16, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    Seriously. WTH!

    Adam Weinstein ‏@AdamWeinstein 57m
    Let’s not even talk about how a shaky Navy enlistee with two shooting raps gets a contractor gig and a CAC card, much less an assault rifle.
    Retweeted by joshuafoust
    Expand

  21. 71 japa21
    September 16, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    Someone took exception to my tweet about background checks and gun owners not wanting to be inconvenienced by pointing out Holmes passed a check. So obviously, since a system wouldn’t catch everybody, it shouldn’t be tried at all. Beat this same person is in favor of stop and frisk, even though it doesn’t catch everybody.

  22. 73 hopefruit2
    September 16, 2013 at 9:01 pm


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