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77 Responses to “Chat Away”


  1. 1 Layla
    September 13, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Oh..I love LP posts!!!!

  2. 5 Gazelle
    September 13, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    [My President is awesomeness defined!}:

    The Securities and Exchange Commission has been considering (and considering, and considering) a new rule mandated three years ago under Dodd-Frank that would require companies to disclose the ratio between a CEO’s compensation and the median pay of the firm’s employees. Corporations have pushed back powerfully, claiming that gathering that median employee income statistic would be onerous (math being hard). But reports say the SEC is finally readying to role out their proposal for how this rule would work — it’s expected any day now.

    […..] Last month, President Obama met with the heads of eight regulatory agencies, including the SEC, to put pressure on them to finish the Dodd-Frank rule making process. Naylor attributes the delay on this particular rule to extensive corporate lobbying and to the fact that Dodd-Frank did not specify a deadline for the the rule to be implemented. (In many cases, Naylor explained, regulatory agencies blew their deadlines, but did eventually propose rules for public comment, even if those rules still remain unimplemented. The Volcker Rule is one example.)

    .
    http://billmoyers.com/2013/09/13/new-rule-could-shed-light-on-ceo-worker-pay-gap/

  3. 8 Linda
    September 13, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    MSNBC must be deaf. Alex ” Campbell’s Soup Kid ” Wagner opened her show with a double hit . Two people from ” The Nation ”

    Kornacki and Van de Houvel.

    • 9 Layla
      September 13, 2013 at 12:14 pm

      I do not watch any of it, so predictable!!!

    • September 13, 2013 at 12:15 pm

      ALEC is pushing hard for returns on their investment: i.e. dampening Democratic enthusiasm for the Democratic party brand in 2013, & 2014. They need to poison liberals’ one media outlet and they’re doing well swimmingly.

      Point is to frustrate, depress, destroy our motivation.

      • September 13, 2013 at 12:49 pm

        Not to worry. In my own life, I refuse to watch MSNBC until they give the hook to that insufferable emo-dudebro extradinaire: Chris Hayes.

      • September 13, 2013 at 2:01 pm

        Zizi, they may be trying, but I don’t think enough people are buying or that it will make any difference in 2014. What will make a difference? Intense desire to rid ourselves of the incompetent and corrupt governors that are ravaging the states run by Republicans. AND good candidates. And, most of all, the hard work and intense dedication of those of us who want more livable states and decent congressional representation and could care less what the gasbags on cable say about anything.

    • 13 Nena20409
      September 13, 2013 at 12:20 pm

      They can afford to talk endlessly amongst themselves.

      Christiane Amanpour would Not allow such idiocy on AC360 last night.

  4. 15 vcprezofan2
    September 13, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Hey, LP! Wait up! You forgot to personally tap me on the shoulder to get my attention!

  5. 19 Jovie
    September 13, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    GOP sen: Syrian fights boosts Keystone
    By Ben Geman
    Sen. John Hoeven (R-N.D.) believes the conflict in Syria could increase the odds that the Keystone XL pipeline will be approved.

    Absurd!
    GOP thinks everything will improve keystone chances. It’s stupid!

    • 20 jacquelineoboomer
      September 13, 2013 at 1:06 pm

      Yeah, I had a banana for breakfast, so maybe the GOP will see that as “a sign” that the Keystone XL pipeline will be approved.

      Unreal.

      G’day, TODville – I’m late to the party!

    • September 13, 2013 at 2:07 pm

      Hoeven, obviously went to the Republican University of Nonsense Thinking (RUNT) where lessons in logic are replaced by magical thinking. I doubt whether even he can tell you the connection between Syria and the Keystone XL. Syria doesn’t produce much oil compared to other ME countries, Canada and the US, so why would the conflict, that’s already been going on for two years, make any difference to the issue of Canada providing a conduit through the US for shipping it’s oil overseas? Even chop logic can’t connect those dots.

  6. 24 Nena20409
    September 13, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    GA TODers.

    When Dems stand Firm, speak up and support the Middle and Working Class……they win.

  7. 25 Nena20409
    September 13, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Congrats Layla. Gold ❗

    Great posts by all the bts.

    Friday the 13, 2013 😯 🙄 😉

    😎

  8. September 13, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    Thank yooooooooooooou LP!!!

  9. 30 Jovie
    September 13, 2013 at 12:20 pm

  10. 31 JER
    September 13, 2013 at 12:29 pm

  11. 33 Linda
    September 13, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Is the star fading ?

    Less than one year into his U.S. Senate tenure, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) has done his share of appearances on a national platform.

    Among the items on the docket is an Oct. 25 speech at the Iowa Republican Party’s Reagan Dinner. With less than six weeks between now and the event, the Iowa Republican caught an ad showcasing 25 percent savings for folks interested in seeing Cruz.

  12. September 13, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    The most common objection to strikes is that the United States is not the world’s policeman; we have poured our resources and blood into two long wars over the past decade, and it’s time for someone else to take care of those duties. That is a very tempting position, but it does not hold water. The reality is that we have staked our military and economic security on making sure that no other country — including our longtime allies — has anywhere close to the military capabilities that we do. We are safe in our borders because we are the only country that can park a ship in international waters and rain cruise missiles down on specific street addresses in a foreign city for weeks on end. And we enjoy extraordinary wealth because our foreign trade and oil imports are protected by the world’s most powerful navy. I find it almost offensive that anyone in this country could imagine they are truly pacifist while accepting the protection and benefit of all that armament. If you have a bumper sticker that says “No Blood For Oil,” it had better be on your bike…..

    Finally, there is the problem — the pacifist problem — of having no effective response to the use of nerve gas by a government against its citizens. To one degree or another, every person has an obligation to uphold human dignity in whatever small way he or she can. It is this concept of dignity that has given rise to international laws protecting human rights, to campaigns for prison reform, to boycotts against apartheid. In this context, doing nothing in the face of evil becomes the equivalent of actively supporting evil; morally speaking, there is no middle ground…..

    President Obama is not arguing for an action that decimates the Assad regime and allows rebel forces to take over. He is not saying that we are going to put our troops at risk on the ground in Syria, or that it will be a long and costly endeavor, or even that it will be particularly effective. He is saying that he does not want us to live in a world where nerve gas can be used against civilians without consequences of any kind. If killing 1,400 people with nerve gas is okay, then killing 14,000 becomes imaginable. When we have gotten used to that, killing 14 million may be next.

    At some point, pacifism becomes part of the machinery of death, and isolationism becomes a form of genocide. It’s not a matter of how we’re going to explain this to the Syrians. It’s a matter of how we’re going to explain this to our kids.

    • September 13, 2013 at 12:51 pm

      “IAt some point, pacifism becomes part of the machinery of death, and isolationism becomes a form of genocide. It’s not a matter of how we’re going to explain this to the Syrians. It’s a matter of how we’re going to explain this to our kids.”

      Excellent comment and tweet, LP. Thank you.

      #TrustBarack

      • September 13, 2013 at 3:30 pm

        Thanks, Bobfr. I thought it was the most cogent, compelling, and well articulated summation of the state-of-play. It should have particular resonance to those more liberal leaning members of the media and public, but we all know the majority of them cherry pick the truth, and report it as such.

    • 39 57andfemale
      September 13, 2013 at 1:14 pm

      shhhhh on the Cruz star fading. That will be enough for the emoprogs to tell us how awesome he is.

    • September 13, 2013 at 1:16 pm

      Thank you, again lovelyplains. Sebastian Junger’s words so effectively encapsulate my thoughts on the issue. This is why I was totally shocked and confused with the emoprogs’ response that Obama = Bush, Syria = Iraq,and “dead is dead”.

      I remember during the primary season between PBO and Hillary and how excited the left was with the addition of Samantha Power to the Obama team because of her work on using American military power to intervene in genocide. Many were upset when she was placed on the back burner because she called Hillary a monster. Remember that? Now, the emo-prog dudebros have done a 180 on her AND Putin’s draconian LGBT laws. Both thrown under the proverbial bus. I just don’t get it; can anyone explain this to me?

      • 42 ericfive
        September 13, 2013 at 1:42 pm

        If PBO is for something, they are against it. It is as simple as that. They are no different than the GOP in that regard. It is futile to try to find logic in the positions they take.

      • September 13, 2013 at 2:28 pm

        Pamela, I think the definition of “left” here is too narrow. The so-called emos are Libertarians who range from extreme left to extreme right. The real left is the more liberal or progressive Democrat that you will see in any Dem gathering in any state in the union. Then there are the centerish Dems who are anti-abortion, have qualms about immigration reform and other issues, but always vote Democratic because of a strong family or union tradition. These Dems could be persuaded for vote for an Eisenhower/Nelson Rockefeller type of Republican, but are generally pretty reliable. There of tens of millions of these kinds of Democrats who are incredibly powerful when they work together. By comparison the the “emos” are relatively small. You hear a lot about them because social media pushes their views and they get hired by cable owners with an agenda. I don’t think they are ever “for” anybody except themselves and their own egos. They just like to make a lot of news to stir up outrage. It’s a drug to them.

  13. September 13, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    #TrustBarack

  14. September 13, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Re: the tweet about the Beinert column: immasmartypants.blogspot.com has a great analysis that discusses a gaping hole in Beinert’s theory. Pretty much says Beinert is giving short shrift to the Obama Coalition. Definitely worth a read.

    • September 13, 2013 at 2:32 pm

      I totally agree with smartypants on this. The Obama coalition lives on and we are still doing the hard work of getting people elected. I said on an earlier thread that PBO was the only political person in over a century that brought real hope to people. I still have it, you have and so do the rest of us on this site. President Obama is in a class by himself and is no more a part of the Clinton tradition than Bill DiBlasio is.

  15. 47 Anna
    September 13, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    We do make a difference, received a call from Grayson’s campaign last eve. Had sent money when he was running, none since, delete emails they send. They were calling me to update on where he stands, told them wasn’t interested, did not like what I was hearing from him, wanted to fill me in on update of were he stands now, told they wanted to hear him say it in the media. The nice young lady said she was hearing a lot of the same, thanked me for being polite to her.

    • 48 jacquelineoboomer
      September 13, 2013 at 1:10 pm

      Well done. Grayson needs to go home, stay away from the cameras, and out of politics.

      • 49 57andfemale
        September 13, 2013 at 1:19 pm

        Jees, even my dumb RW accountant knows that Obamacare will lead to single payer (she thinks that’s just AWFUL but that’s another story. Actually I told the story on the last thread).

        Meanwhile, while this plays out over the next decade millions of Americans will have access to decent, affordable health care.

        Is there something moral and principled about denying that major first step toward universal health care – the first the U.S. has ever taken? How is it more moral to advocate for NOTHING while we wait for the Perfect?

        TPV has a really good post eliciting comments about what is truly moral about being a liberal. Excellent post.

        • 50 jacquelineoboomer
          September 13, 2013 at 1:26 pm

          Love it. Thanks for the background on your RW accountant, too! I’m sure you two have some “fun” chats.

          • 51 57andfemale
            September 13, 2013 at 1:40 pm

            It was particularly hilarious yesterday. We don’t engage each other – we know where the other one stands. I’m not going to change her mind, she’s not going to change mine. Although I think she engages precious few brain cells to reach her conclusions…..

            But lecture on Obamacare was supposed to be ‘instructive’ in terms of our small business tax situation. My husband and I are the only ’employees’.

            She then told me that the vast majority of the taxes I have to pay go to Social Security, as if that was a bad thing. And for a few bucks more, we’d have single payer instead of shelling out the $24,000/year she had to pay for health insurance until her husband retires from the Reserve and the taxpayer gets to provide them entirely free health care in a single payer system. I wonder if she ever listens to herself.

      • 52 anniebella
        September 13, 2013 at 1:55 pm

        Charles Rangel is another one which need to go home and away from the cameras and out of politics.

    • 53 57andfemale
      September 13, 2013 at 1:16 pm

      I’ll answer his next call then. And tell him what I think. Your point about expecting him to come clean in the media was fantastic.

  16. 54 vcprezofan2
    September 13, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    BBL, hold the fort!

  17. 58 JER
    September 13, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    President Barack Obama will travel to Indonesia, Brunei, Malaysia and the Philippines from October 6 – 12 for a series of economic and regional security conferences, the White House announced Friday.

  18. 61 japa21
    September 13, 2013 at 1:10 pm

  19. 70 Layla
    September 13, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    It’s frikkin freezing over here….11′ C or 51.8′ F- will go down to 7 this evening…Since my return in 2002 from living in FL and GA for 12 years I have not gotten accustomed to Ottawa’s weather

  20. 71 57andfemale
    September 13, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Oh, guys – I forgot to regale you with my favorite part of my conversation with my RW accountant yesterday.

    There was some form we had to fill out as a corporation for ACA. She is, even if she’s a RWNJ, a good, organized accountant and told us we could fill out the form ourselves or have her do it. It would cost $50 for her to fill it out and file it. If it wasn’t filed, there could be up to a $1,000 fine (but she later admitted that would only apply to very big corporations).

    I had her fill out the form for us and file it. I don’t have time for that b.s. She lamented the ‘burden’ on those poor corporations of filling out the form and then she said — wait for it —

    “The only reason for this particular requirement was as a means of advertising and explaining Obamacare.”

    Well, Sebelius just went up a notch for me – nice way to get around Republican obstructionism!

    • 72 jacquelineoboomer
      September 13, 2013 at 2:12 pm

      She sounds crazy! Ha.

      • 73 57andfemale
        September 13, 2013 at 2:20 pm

        She’s a great accountant. She’s a fantastic, artistic quilter (I met her when she owned a quilt shop for five years where I started as a quilter and became a teacher). She’s a great friend to many people – she’d be there in a heartbeat if I needed anything. She’s a bitch to work for (quelle surprise with the RW nonsense). But a RWNJ for sure.

        • 74 jacquelineoboomer
          September 13, 2013 at 2:22 pm

          I think we’ve all known people like that! They’re everywhere.

          Hang in there, 57! You got this (and maybe she will, too, one fine day).

          • 75 57andfemale
            September 13, 2013 at 2:40 pm

            I’m actually amused. We do not get into heated discussions. We respect each other. But her horror that that ACA would lead to single payer – that was hilarious. And the Obama administration finding a way to get the word out – hilarious. Especially since she can’t wait for her own single payer, no pre-existing conditions, Army Reserve insurance to kick in. Hilarious.


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