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Rise and Shine

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Today: The President has no public events scheduled.

Tuesday: The President will attend meetings at the White House. In the evening, he will depart Washington, DC en route Stockholm, Sweden.

Wednesday: The President will arrive in Stockholm. While there, he will hold a bilateral meeting and joint press conference with Prime Minister Reinfeldt. He will then participate in an event honoring Raoul Wallenberg at the Great Synagogue in Stockholm and tour an expo featuring clean energy innovations at the Royal Institute of Technology. In the evening, he will take part in a dinner with Nordic Leaders.

Thursday: The President will hold a bilateral meeting with the King and Queen of Sweden. He will then depart Stockholm en route Saint Petersburg, Russia where he will attend the G-20 Summit.

Friday: Attends the G-20 Summit. Returns to Washington, DC on Friday evening.

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Michael Tomasky: Obama did the right thing, morally and constitutionally

…. Kind of sad that it’s so stunning and refreshing to hear a president acknowledge that he shares constitutional power, but stunning and refreshing it was … It’s a big relinquishing of power, a major constitutional recalibration that will outlast him and the yahoos whose votes he’s going to be seeking, and Obama deserves props for it.

…. let’s do some nose-counting. In the Senate, I presume a resolution will pass … Harry Reid said Saturday he’d try to bring the Senate back early for a vote, meaning it will say yes first, adding to the drama as we turn to the House.

There? Yesterday, I thought the chance the House would pass a war authorization for this president was about 0 percent. Today I’ve revised that up to about 5 percent…..

…. The argument to the Republicans in the House and the American people is simple. He’s fulfilled his constitutional duties. Will Congress fulfill its moral ones, or is their hatred of Obama so great that they will instead choose the side of a monstrous murderer?

Full post here

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E.J. Dionne: On Syria, Obama had to go to Congress

In seeking congressional authorization for military strikes against Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria, President Obama is not weakening presidential power and is not looking for an out to avoid a war he doesn’t want. He is doing what is absolutely necessary in a democratic republic. He is rallying consent for a grave step and for what was always going to be a controversial decision.

…. Gaining democratic consent is especially important for an action that has very large long-term implications and clearly divides the country…..

… Reluctantly, I think the president is right to strike against Assad…. I use that word “reluctantly” because, like so many who believe the Iraq war was a terrible mistake, I am wary of military intervention in the Middle East. But because of what Obama said and, more important, why he said it, I think we have to act in Syria.

Full post here

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Steve Benen: Reading the congressional tea leaves on Syria

…. The congressional process is really just starting in earnest, and it’s likely that momentum will swing more than once before lawmakers return to Capitol Hill and cast a vote next week.

That said, members’ comments yesterday suggested President Obama’s request for congressional approval faces an uphill climb. For every lawmaker who predicted yesterday that a resolution would pass, at least two predicted it would fail. For every member who said they were inclined to endorse the use of force in Syria, at least two said the opposite.

Also note, the divide on Syria does not fall neatly along partisan lines, making predictions that much more difficult.

More here

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Smartypants: The argument the non-interventionsts must make

President Obama has made his argument for military intervention in Syria in response to their use of chemical weapons. And he has once again said that he welcomes the debate.

It is now time for those who oppose this military intervention to make their case. I’ll tell you what won’t work: suggesting this is just like what Bush/Cheney did when they lied us into an invasion of Iraq. Rather than looking for an excuse to invade another country, we all know that President Obama has fought off advice to engage in Syria – even when it came from his closest national security advisors.

This large-scale use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime is what finally changed his mind. But even more importantly, President Obama is not talking about invading Syria – he’s talking about an action that would be limited in scope and duration – with no boots on the ground. An argument against the President’s proposal has to take that into account.

More here

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Garance Franke-Ruta (The Atlantic): Why Americans Aren’t as Willing to Intervene Overseas as They Used to Be

President Obama faces a radically different public-opinion environment than he did even two years ago, when the U.S. prepared to act against Muammar Gaddafi’s forces in Libya, as he seeks to make the case for an attack in Syria. Why are things so different now? It’s not as simple as that the public is “war-weary,” as is frequently said. Here are some of the other forces I believe to be at work:

1. 9/11 is a distant memory. The threat of terrorism once exerted a strong sway on Americans, creating an automatic bias toward action. That’s no longer the case…. 2. It’s a new Congress.  …. Only 32 current senators served in 2002 during the fall vote on the Iraq war resolution …. this is the first time they’ve experienced the drumbeats of war….

3. The cost of raising questions is low, for the moment. Congress is on vacation…. 4. Obama never has to stand for election again, but the jockeying for 2016 is well under way….

5. There’s no longer widespread optimism about the Arab Spring…. 6. The moral argument for why chemical weapons are different is no longer as obvious as it once was…..

Full post here

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ThinkProgress: House Republicans Have Collectively Voted To Repeal Obamacare Over 7,000 Times

In yet another example of the enormous effort House Republicans have spent attempting to dismantle the Affordable Care Act, ThinkProgress has calculated that the current Republican Conference in the House of Representatives has collectively voted to repeal or defund President Obama’s signature legislative accomplishment 7,386 times.

The House Republicans’ approach to Obamacare continues to typify the current “golden age” of dysfunction in Washington. Since gaining control of the House in 2011, Speaker John Boehner has presided over 40 separate votes that would do everything from fully repealing the law, to prohibiting the IRS from funding it, to delaying pieces of it. The New York Times recently estimated that the House has spent an astonishing 15 percent of all of its time on the floor focused on repeal — a span that amounts to over $17 million of Republican members’ salaries since 2011, based on numbers from the Congressional Research Service.

More here

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TPM: This Is What Obamacare Outreach Looks Like (VIDEOS)

With a month to go until the Affordable Care Act’s online health insurance marketplaces open for business, the race is on to reach the public and let them know what’s going to be available to them on Oct. 1.

Television ads are a logical starting point to raise public awareness, and many marketplaces, also known as exchanges, have debuted video advertisements. They’re consciously playing to the home crowd.

…. The exchanges have a big job to do in 32 days. Two-thirds of Americans said they know nothing at all or only a little about the marketplaces, according to the most recent Kaiser Family Foundation tracking poll. The White House is hoping to sign up 7 million people for coverage in the exchange’s first year.

With that goal in mind, here’s a round up of how Obamacare advocates are taking their message to the public:

See here


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142 Responses to “Rise and Shine”


  1. 1 taiping1
    September 2, 2013 at 8:40 am

    orning from Corsica!

  2. 3 99ts
    September 2, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Morning from Oz – too busy moaning – missed the new thread – serves me right
    Congrats on 1st taiping – hope all is good in Corsica

  3. September 2, 2013 at 8:46 am

    Good morning all. Happy labour day to everyone. To me Labour day means a unit full of women giving birth. A wonderful way to honour the future world is to give these women the best possible circumstances to bring our future generation into a safe, happy environment.

  4. September 2, 2013 at 8:50 am

    George Clooney is not just a pretty face. He has substance and compassion and steadfastness, old fashioned words that still mean something.

  5. 11 taiping1
    September 2, 2013 at 8:53 am

    On vacation in Farinole in Cap Corse with wi-fi! Keeping up with the news through TOD and International Herald Tribune. Seems as if MSM and GOP want our President to attack Syria so that they can then impeach him. Allies also want him to take all the risk. I am so proud that we elected him. He is absolutely right in asking Congress to take responsibility for action or the consequences of inaction.

  6. 13 Don
    September 2, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Just got to work and was immediately drawn into a conversation about our local union of which I’m a steward. I don’t get paid for being a steward; my payment comes from keeping someone from losing their job for making an honest mistake or not letting a supervisor fuck someone over. But I’ll be damn if I’m going to stand by and let some asshole talk shit about my local, especially from someone that benefits from us putting our asses on the line.

    p.s. I’m sorry for the foul language this morning, but some days is need strength that I don’t have.

    • 14 Don
      September 2, 2013 at 8:58 am

      * I need strength that I don’t have.

    • 17 99ts
      September 2, 2013 at 9:07 am

      My mother told me to “join the union” when I got my first job – have supported them ever since – you are well needed – anyone who disagrees should be forced to look at what happened to wages from 1980 onwards when governments/employers did their utmost to get rid of unions

    • September 2, 2013 at 9:26 am

      Don, people who are the most critical of unions are those who haven’t the least idea how much labor unions have done for them and their families over the years. Some people have an exaggerated notion of their own power, but it has really been the sweat, blood and tears of labor unions that got all of us decent working hours, weekends, fair pay, holidays and employer-sponsored health insurance. If you are paid for a holiday, thank the labor unions. If you like to sleep in on Sunday morning, thank the labor unions. We didn’t get any of these things because we were all wonderful and talented. We got them because somebody worked very hard and sacrificed a great deal to get them. So take solace (and strength) from the fact that you are part of a movement that has changed the world in very good ways.

  7. September 2, 2013 at 8:57 am

    G’morning Chips, TOD, lurkers, everyone and congrats taiping on #1 🙂

    Excellent round-up Chips…love that you keep stressing Greenwald’s documented loving allegiance to GWB!

  8. 23 desertflower
    September 2, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Happy Labor Day! I get to wake to PBO AND George Clooney? Best day ever!!! Great R/S….

  9. 27 anniebella
    September 2, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Mr Clooney is so right about Democrats. Just look how easily some Obama supporters turn on him because they don’t get what they want.

    • 28 desertflower
      September 2, 2013 at 9:12 am

      It’s why we can’t have nice things…fair things….they aren’t as smart as they PRETEND to be.

    • 29 anniebella
      September 2, 2013 at 9:14 am

      I’m thinking of someone like Matt Damon. I know there are others.

    • September 2, 2013 at 9:32 am

      Well, AB, today I’m going to focus on those who supports PBO, no matter what and I don’t mean just the people here. Most of the people I know and talk to each day who voted for President Obama, love him and continue to support him. I saw that among the many Dems who attended our rally/picnic on Saturday and in the meetings I attend. There are a few people who complain here and there about minor things, but I usually set them straight and, believe me, there’s not one of them who wouldn’t vote for him again. The naysayers will NEVER find anyone they can truly support because they are ‘perfect’ in their own minds and the rest of us, including ALL presidents, are not. So, all I can say to them is either wake up and join the real world or keep looking in the mirror because just about the only place you’re going to find anyone as ‘ideal’ as yourself.

  10. 33 hopefruit2
    September 2, 2013 at 9:12 am

    • 34 Don
      September 2, 2013 at 9:32 am

      Grayson tipped his hand a long time ago; he’s nothing but a runway model, a show pony. It’s easy to be loud and obnoxious; Grayson hasn’t accomplished anything in politics other than getting elected. He will go on talk shows and talk populist and absolutist bullshit that doesn’t get anything done. He’ll be loved by the emoprogs and be labeled a “fighter” for the common man. I’ve seen this movie a thousand times.

      • September 2, 2013 at 9:34 am

        Don, I’ll swallow Alan Grayson as long as he gets us closer to a Democratic majority. No matter how irritating he is, he’s better than his Republican predecessor. Let him keep his seat and then we only have to add 18 more to get back the majority. I don’t care how obnoxious the seat fillers are if we can get back a Dem Speaker of the House.

      • 36 hopefruit2
        September 2, 2013 at 9:38 am

        Don, you’re right on the money about Grayson. He’s nothing but a show-boater. And this is NOT what this country needs. We already have too many of these.

      • 37 Vicki
        September 2, 2013 at 9:41 am

        another Anthony Weiner, minus the texts—-all sound and fury—full of misinformation

  11. 38 utaustinliberal
    September 2, 2013 at 9:13 am

  12. 40 mtmarilyn
    September 2, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Good morning from smokey Montana. No close fires just their smoke. Hope everyone has a wonderful Labor Day. Thank you to all the unions for all the benefits every worker enjoys.
    Thank you George Clooney!

    Wonderful R&S Chips. I am so thankful to wake up knowing PBO is still our President.

  13. September 2, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Good morning and happy Labor Day, TODville!! I hope everyone has a relaxing day. And for all those who have to work, thank you for keeping the wheels turning. You are appreciated.

  14. September 2, 2013 at 9:27 am

    OT but very cool:

  15. 47 desertflower
    September 2, 2013 at 9:28 am

    http://www.unionplus.org/about/labor-unions/36-reasons-thank-union

    Show your support for the labor movement! If for some reason you can’t join a union, but want to support your fellow working Americans and fight for good jobs and a just economy, join Working America at http://www.WorkingAmerica.org.

    Did you know that labor unions made the following 36 things possible?

    Weekends without work
    All breaks at work, including your lunch breaks
    Paid vacation
    Family & Medical Leave Act (FMLA)
    Sick leave
    Social Security
    Minimum wage
    Civil Rights Act/Title VII – prohibits employer discrimination
    8-hour work day
    Overtime pay
    Child labor laws
    Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
    40-hour work week
    Workers’ compensation (workers’ comp)
    Unemployment insurance

    See the rest at the link….

    • 48 hopefruit2
      September 2, 2013 at 9:30 am

      • September 2, 2013 at 9:39 am

        Great news, Hf, although that number should be closer to 91 percent. Perhaps Americans are realizing how tough it is to get
        benefits when they try to go it alone. If so, then it’s about time.

        • 50 57andfemale
          September 2, 2013 at 9:53 am

          At least it’s moving in the right direction.

          Imagine if those few voices in ‘progressive’ media had spent their time re-educating Americans on the labor movement and how Democrats support that agenda, instead of DRONES! and PBO SUX! and the other ways they wasted precious air time.

      • September 2, 2013 at 10:22 am

        Membership is down because of the steady loss of manufacturing jobs, the lost of public sector jobs and of the increase of Right to Work States…

  16. 52 desertflower
    September 2, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Remember when we SUPPORTED unions???

    • 53 Vicki
      September 2, 2013 at 9:54 am

      so awesome you posted this, desertflower. I remember it well and can still sing along. I remember a better NYC.

      NYC in 1981 had a Garment district. The streets were filled with racks of clothing going to trucks . It was so alive and thriving.
      Now NYC is a tourist attraction and playground for the rich. The Garment District is gone. The Flower District is gone. High paying jobs for millions of workers are gone. Hospitals are going.
      Soon all that will remain will be high priced hotels, restaurants and condos. And low-paying jobs for those who serve the rich.

      • 54 desertflower
        September 2, 2013 at 10:03 am

        I remember singing along to that song, too! And I totally know what you’re talking about in regards to the city….more than just a little sad.

    • September 2, 2013 at 10:28 am

      Wow…it has been such a longgggggggg time since something like that has been on TV….

      This morning I was thinking about Wal-Mart and the struggle of low wage workers…and the role that we as consumers play in that struggle…would we as consumers be willing to buy a product at a higher price then shop at Wal-Mart…or similar retailers…

  17. 56 Claire
    September 2, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Good morning TODers.

    Does George Clooney know I am available?

  18. 60 hopefruit2
    September 2, 2013 at 9:43 am

    HEADLINE: The argument the non-interventionists must make

    // President Obama has made his argument for military intervention in Syria in response to their use of chemical weapons. And he has once again said that he welcomes the debate.

    It is now time for those who oppose this military intervention to make their case. I’ll tell you what won’t work: suggesting this is just like what Bush/Cheney did when they lied us into an invasion of Iraq. Rather than looking for an excuse to invade another country, we all know that President Obama has fought off advice to engage in Syria – even when it came from his closest national security advisors. This large-scale use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime is what finally changed his mind. But even more importantly, President Obama is not talking about invading Syria – he’s talking about an action that would be limited in scope and duration – with no boots on the ground. An argument against the President’s proposal has to take that into account. //

    http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-argument-non-interventionsts-must.html?spref=tw

    • 61 Sandy1110
      September 2, 2013 at 1:05 pm

      The emprogs are making exactly the wrong Obama = Bush argument. It really is nearly impossible to tell them from RWNJs anymore.

  19. 62 hopefruit2
    September 2, 2013 at 9:46 am

    • 63 Don
      September 2, 2013 at 9:55 am

      VanJones68 like many others have painted themselves into a corner in which they cannot escape. The moment you’ve taken a shine to Rand Paul’s platform is the moment you’ve given up as being thought serious.

      • 64 57andfemale
        September 2, 2013 at 11:41 am

        they make that commitment, they can live with the consequences. Let’s see if they turn as fast and as vicious as they did against PBO. Is Rand Paul more ‘perfect’ than PBO?

        I loathe emoprogs who appear to be unable to think anything through to its logical consequences. We’re supposed to be the smart ones, aren’t we? They act like mindless tea partiers.

  20. 72 99ts
    September 2, 2013 at 10:07 am

    They are without doubt a blot on the landscape of humanity – why the 98% do not recognize this is beyond belief.

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42466_REMINDER-_GOP_Is_Threatening_Economic_Disaster_For_Only_One_Reason
    “…the one core value of the Republican Party: Never ever ever ever ever ever ever raise taxes on the rich.”

  21. 73 Jovie
    September 2, 2013 at 10:07 am

    The way I see the media framing this all all about win/ lose for the President.
    And anything the president chooses they go opposite.
    It’s sickening, but it’s happening again.
    Can’t wait for debt ceiling battle? 😦

    • 74 hopefruit2
      September 2, 2013 at 10:57 am

      That is how they’ve framed every issue since PBO took office. Yes, it’s very sickening as you say, but PBO beats them at their own silly game EVERY TIME. This time will be no different. 🙂 🙂 I look forward to serving the media another fine dinner of steamed crow, with a dash of egg splattered on their faces…

  22. 76 desertflower
    September 2, 2013 at 10:10 am

    The Income Gap in pictures…..

    http://ourfuture.org/20120322/Nine_Pictures_Of_The_Extreme_IncomeWealth_Gap

    Many people don’t understand our country’s problem of concentration of income and wealth because they don’t see it. People just don’t understand how much wealth there is at the top now. The wealth at the top is so extreme that it is beyond most people’s ability to comprehend.

    If people understood just how concentrated wealth has become in our country and the effect is has on our politics, our democracy and our people, they would demand our politicians do something about it.

    How Much Is A Billion?

    Some Wall Street types (and others) make over a billion dollars a year – each year. How much is a billion dollars? How can you visualize an amount of money so high? Here is one way to think about it: The median income in the US is around $29,000, meaning half of us make less and half make more. If you make $29,000 a year, and don’t spend a single penny of it, it will take you 34,482 years to save a billion dollars. . . . (Please come back and read the rest of this after you have recovered.)

    What Do People Do With SO Much?

    What do people do with all that money? Good question. After you own a stable of politicians who will cut your taxes, there are still a few more things you can buy. Let’s see what $1 billion will buy.

    • September 2, 2013 at 10:27 am

      Posted this last night, but here’s another visual (sorry about the HuffPo link):

      I also mentioned yesterday that when I was growing up in the 1960s-1970s that we were taught what made the U.S. so great was our vast middle-class. You can see from this graph that was true in at that time.

      Really wish MSM would focus on the truth of our shrinking middle-class, instead of trumpeting the potential for an “embarrassment” for our President (which is exactly what my local all-news radio station @knx1070 did this morning. Really infuriated me.

      Claire responded to me earlier this week by saying that some evening newscasts discussed the genocide in Syria. I think those reports were the exceptions. Look for the MSM to avoid discussing the real issue and instead look for ways to attack our President — while Congress won’t return to work for another week (but of course, it’s all Obama’s fault!).

  23. 82 desertflower
    September 2, 2013 at 10:26 am

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/02/opinion/krugman-love-for-labor-lost.html?_r=1&

    It wasn’t always about the hot dogs. Originally, believe it or not, Labor Day actually had something to do with showing respect for labor.

    Here’s how it happened: In 1894 Pullman workers, facing wage cuts in the wake of a financial crisis, went on strike — and Grover Cleveland deployed 12,000 soldiers to break the union. He succeeded, but using armed force to protect the interests of property was so blatant that even the Gilded Age was shocked. So Congress, in a lame attempt at appeasement, unanimously passed legislation symbolically honoring the nation’s workers.

    It’s all hard to imagine now. Not the bit about financial crisis and wage cuts — that’s going on all around us. Not the bit about the state serving the interests of the wealthy — look at who got bailed out, and who didn’t, after our latter-day version of the Panic of 1893. No, what’s unimaginable now is that Congress would unanimously offer even an empty gesture of support for workers’ dignity. For the fact is that many of today’s politicians can’t even bring themselves to fake respect for ordinary working Americans.

  24. 83 Jovie
    September 2, 2013 at 10:30 am

    This is Irans new president who said syria used sarin gas.
    But I don’t understand Persian so…

  25. 84 GGAIL
    September 2, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Good West Coast morning Chipsticks & TOD family!

  26. 103 a4alice
    September 2, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Chips! A wonderful jam packed Rise and Shine! you’re the best – bravo 😀

  27. 105 HZ
    September 2, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Good Morning Chips and thank you for a great Rise and Shine. (I had to grab mine out of the spam folder. Lately, they have been going there.) But I know to go there and pull them out.

    Thank you, Mr. George Clooney. I always have loved him and love how he supports and respects President Barack H. Obama.

    To those who maybe going in to work today, thanks for keeping thing moving. I am a strong supporter of unions. I worked very hard with our union while in my profession. We helped a lot of precious people. No, it was not easy, but it was worth it all. I would do it all over again.

    Today, be gentle on your spirit and be courageous in your space. . As I was having my quiet time this morning, I came across these:

    “He who rejects change is the architect of decay.” H. Wilson

    “You don’t make progress by standing on the sidelines, whimpering and complaining. You make progress by implementing ideas.”
    Shirley Chisholm

    “Knowledge is power. Information is liberating. Education is the premise of progress, in every society, in every family.” Kofi Annan

    Have a beautiful day, TOD family. (((((((((((((( Lots of loving hugs from my arms to yours.)))))))))))))))HZ

  28. 108 africa
    September 2, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Morning all. Happy Labor Day!!

  29. 109 hopefruit2
    September 2, 2013 at 11:00 am

  30. 110 anniebella
    September 2, 2013 at 11:02 am

    I listen to Rep.Charlie Rangel (D-NY) this morning on MSNBC, all I can say is I shouldn’t have listen to him. I sense Rangel don’t like President Obama. Looking back I do remember Rangel supported Hillary Clinton.

  31. September 2, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Wow, this piece is disgusting.

  32. 115 hopefruit2
    September 2, 2013 at 11:06 am

  33. 116 carolyn
    September 2, 2013 at 11:08 am

    I’m spending quite a bit of my time mentally trying to figure out what’s going on with different politicians and the American people. Eventually, I plan to write it out. Now, just one thought: As others have said, the country is in the throes of Post Bush Stress Disorder. This often takes a while to manifest itself. I think one manifestation of this was the cynical response to Secretary Kerry’s briefing. Too many people remembered, vividly, Sec Powell’s speech to the U.N. where in he talked about the “yellow cake from Niger” and strongly averred there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq which gave us the necessity of attacking Iraq.
    It will take years for the damage Bush’s team did to government credibility and American credibility to come to light, and to be washed out of the body politic.

    • September 2, 2013 at 11:25 am

      There is no doubt, Bush and his crime syndicate ruined just about every institution in the United States. He lied and tortured and trashed everything our country values – economy, education, healthcare, environment, housing, military, on and on and on. He endangered us for decades to come. He turned people off to politics and to believing in and trusting their own government. I detest everything he stands for and will never forgive the travesty he committed on our nation.

    • 118 anniebella
      September 2, 2013 at 11:32 am

      That’s fine, let these politics sit on the sideline as other countries use chemical weapons on it’s people or some other country. There are times when you have to stand up for right, even if you stand alone. Stop making excuses, using chemical weapons is one of these times when Congress need to get some dam backbone and do the right thing. I know there are Republicans who will not vote to support this President regardless. Yes everyone was stun by Iraq, but this is not Iraq.

  34. 120 japa21
    September 2, 2013 at 11:18 am

    GM all and have a great Labor Day.

  35. 123 anniebella
    September 2, 2013 at 11:21 am

    You know I seem to recall all last week hearing that President Obama had not made up his mind, now all you hear from the media is that it seem the President was saying that some sort of strike was all set to happen, then he changed his mind. But it was the media saying what they wanted to say, and ignoring that the President kept saying he had not made any decision.

    • 124 arkluvspbo
      September 3, 2013 at 1:48 am

      anniebella, I pointed out such a headline to my mother, written on the WaPo…she said, and they covered their butts by saying “possible”. Of course I wrote that more colorfully than she said it…;), but the sentiment is the same.
      If one had just read the headline, they would not have gone further in the article to see that the president said he had not made a decision.
      The media is disgusting and they are complicit, along with Dick Bush and the neocons in our PTSD of war.
      Drum beat “war”….drum beat “war”…

  36. September 2, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Interesting turn of events…as someone said earlier….The plot thickens

    • 126 Don
      September 2, 2013 at 11:37 am

      Funny or sad, depending on how you look at it. Assad goes running to the U.N. for protection from the U.S. after gassing the citizens of Syria which means to me that he knows President Obama means business. I guess drawing “Red Lines” has a way of making a motherfucker up after all.

    • 128 desertflower
      September 2, 2013 at 11:58 am

      I told you the plot thickens! Syria’s govt is now all upset that the big, bad US wants to enforce the agreed upon world norms that CW never be used…but they want to use them against their own people…women and children just collateral damage? Seriously? I tell you what. I wouldn’t be surprised if Iran’s President came out against Syria’s use of these weapons and the whole dynamic changed again.
      For all the smart asses talking about how PBO was “indecisive” ” waited too long” blah, blah, blah…..I feel in my gut that PBO and his advisors calculated every imaginable scenario and its impact…exponentially so. So he wasn’t being indecisive and he wasn’t waiting too long…he was doing the excruciatingly difficult work of being a world leader. Something these sheeple will NEVER understand and NEVER know anything about! Nor do they CARE to understand. They treat everything as if it were a game, they have no use for science, for history, for facts, for anything remotely pertaining to all the geopolitical, economic, and moral implications of any of this. They are shallow and seem not to have the capacity to think outside their very small, tunnelled mindset.
      I trust this man. He has earned my trust and the trust of every thinking individual on this planet, as far as I’m concerned. He does what he says, he means what he says, and much thought as gone into his plan. I respect a President that does this….not been one of those in a long, long while.
      So to all the armchair talkers…many of whom jumped on the GWB bandwagon with NO HESITATION OR QUESTIONS…. STFU! None of you have ANY cred to critique this President on anything.

      • 129 sjterrid
        September 2, 2013 at 2:36 pm

        DF, I agree with your 100%.

        I read a comment that someone linked to an article, I believe here, that stated the new president of Iran condemned the use of chemical weapons.

      • 130 arkluvspbo
        September 3, 2013 at 1:50 am

        I trust Barack Hussein Obama over ALL the pundits, politicians and “progressives” — armchair or otherwise.
        He has more integrity, thoughtfulness and intelligence in one pinky than they do in the collective lot of them.

  37. 132 cluny
    September 2, 2013 at 11:38 am

    I’m not up to date with all the news but I read an article yesterday that said that the intell the US received came from Israeli Mossad – of course, Israel has its own agenda. I think that’s why some people are worried about the strength of the evidence – there have been accusations that it is flimsy and self serving (from Israel’s point of view). What does everybody else think. Are there people here who don’t want PBO to strike? I imagine Assad would want PBO to strike so that he can then play the victim and hit Israel who can then bomb the hell out of Syria – which they have always wanted to do. I feel like PBO is being pushed into a corner and I don’t like that.

    • 133 57andfemale
      September 2, 2013 at 11:42 am

      there is no way Israel was the only source of this intel. There are multiple tracks that intelligence works on. Until Snowdenwald renders us defenseless in the 21st century world (if they get their witless way).

    • 136 sherijr
      September 2, 2013 at 11:50 am

      I have never yet seen this President pushed into any corner.. just my opinion, but I feel certain that President Obama would not decide to strike any country on evidence that wasn’t absolute.

    • 137 nathkatun7
      September 2, 2013 at 3:38 pm

      “I feel like PBO is being pushed into a corner and I don’t like that.”

      I totally reject this. President Obama is not a child to be easily pushed in the corner. I wish you had linked to the article for us to judge its credibility. Besides, all the haters of Israel are quick to blame israel. Both the President and the Secretary of State stated clearly that they relied on U.S. intelligence sources.

      • 138 99ts
        September 2, 2013 at 7:21 pm

        Agreed – I also utterly reject media sources that talk about the great 180 turn – and how the President took a massive gamble that may ruin his legacy. What utter rot. The media and the pundits cannot accept that they have a President who doesn’t use knee jerk diplomacy – a President who thinks, who looks well at a situation before he makes a decision.

  38. 139 LDS
    September 2, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Good morning everyone!
    Thank you Ms.Chips for so much to catch up on. It will take me weeks/ a month to do it all. I was only gone a week to Costa Rica…..beautiful people. beautiful country. delicious fruits. beautiful Rain Forrest…….plenty of rest and relaxation.
    I did not know so much German influence was there……

    It is going to take me a while to catchup, so I will be lurking. I did not read any newspapers while I was away. I patiently waited until I could come here. Leaving for Ga. Wednesday. Vacation is still ongoing. I missed you guys here so much.
    So glad PBO is our President! What a smart, caring, intelligent soul.
    HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR. BOBFR!

    • September 2, 2013 at 11:56 am

      LDS!!!! You were in Costa Rica? Oh wow, would love to visit one day.

      • 141 LDS
        September 2, 2013 at 12:02 pm

        Ms. Chips, YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST!
        The coffee is to die for. The people are just so humble and grateful. The Rain Forrest and scenery makes you cry it is so beautiful. Your whole body is in “Peace” mode all the while you are there.
        You owe it to your mind,body and soul at least once.
        JUST DO IT!


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