Early Bird Chat


Morning everyone! Thanks to Meta for the heads-up on Joshua Foust’s tweets this morning, absolutely incredible stuff. Check his timeline for more.

Back in a while with R&S.

79 Responses to “Early Bird Chat”

  1. August 30, 2013 at 7:35 am

    Thanks, Chips. Didn’t realize I logged in twice! Thanks for the rescue.

    Goooood mooooorrninngggg. This will undoubtedly be a very crazy day. Fasten your seat belts, TODers.

    • August 30, 2013 at 7:37 am

      Mooooorning Meta, thank you again!

      Miranda had 58,000 encrypted docs, one containing the names and locations of agents … and had the passcode scribbled on a piece of paper?

      This guy needs to go to jail.

  2. August 30, 2013 at 7:39 am

    Good Morning Extended Night Owls/Early Risers!!!

  3. 19 Linda
    August 30, 2013 at 7:45 am

    I can tell Mike Pence is lying about Obamacare on Morning Joke and I have the TV on mute.!

    • 20 desertflower
      August 30, 2013 at 8:34 am

      Yes! Because his LIPS ARE MOVING!! Morning, Linda. Morning everyone:)

    • 21 Don
      August 30, 2013 at 8:36 am

      He was talking about a block-grant he received that allowed him to set up some sort of health insurance program, thus avoiding using Obamacare. But the dumbass must have forgotten that a block-grant comes from the government.

      • 22 Don
        August 30, 2013 at 8:38 am

        These guys always talk about how self-sufficient they are, but they always have their hands out.

      • 23 57andfemale
        August 30, 2013 at 8:41 am

        I’m assuming these are the grants for co-ops, etc.

        Which – quelle surprise – must still follow all of the ACA regulations. These grants were created by ACA, Pence, you DUMBASS.

      • 24 desertflower
        August 30, 2013 at 8:50 am

        They ALL just don’t want to use the word Obamacare….heaven forbid should his state and the country find out that the black guy cared the most about all the people. These cretins need to have some karma smack them against a brick wall.

  4. 27 hopefruit2
    August 30, 2013 at 7:59 am

  5. August 30, 2013 at 8:10 am

    Wow! Very interesting early bird. Good morning everyone.

  6. 29 hopefruit2
    August 30, 2013 at 8:14 am

  7. 30 hopefruit2
    August 30, 2013 at 8:16 am

  8. 32 Don
    August 30, 2013 at 8:31 am

    Now just think if Miranda had the names and locations of our agents, this is the type of stuff that puts people’s lives in danger. This guy is walking around with a list that some very bad people would pay millions of dollars to get their hands on.

    • 33 Betsy
      August 30, 2013 at 8:54 am

      And they have the gall to call it whistle blowing. I hate it that GG has any credibility left.

    • 34 globalcitizenlinda
      August 30, 2013 at 9:19 am

      I suspect he also had US agents’ names – statement says UK had to share information “with other third parties”.

      I think the discussion in UK court just focused on their specific UK-related information

  9. 36 africa
    August 30, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Good Friday morning, everyone!!

  10. 37 africa
    August 30, 2013 at 8:51 am

  11. 38 utaustinliberal
    August 30, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Holy crap.

  12. 39 Ladyhawke
    August 30, 2013 at 8:56 am

    The NSA’s ‘Black Budget’ and Why We Should Be Worried About What Snowden Nabbed

    By Bob Cesca


  13. 40 dotster3
    August 30, 2013 at 8:58 am

    France still stands with U.S. on proposed actions against Syria despite Britain’s no vote


  14. 41 99ts
    August 30, 2013 at 8:59 am

    From the tweet link
    Witness statement in bullet points – this one stands out

    “The Govt has had to assume Snowden data is now in the hands of foreign governments, since his travel abroad (to HK and Russia)”

    • August 30, 2013 at 9:01 am

      As time goes on…i have to believe that this was the intent all along…the question who is the dupe…GG or Snowden

      • 43 99ts
        August 30, 2013 at 9:16 am

        And how many copies are now circulating the globe? I’m beginning to wonder who helped Snowden – could he really get all that data by himself? And the company that employed him – who cleared them of wrong doing?

        To use a little gutter language – the whole thing stinks.

        I cannot imagine anyone except PBO being able to handle all this – and why did Snowden suddenly decide this was the time to do what he has done.

      • August 30, 2013 at 9:40 am

        I want to know who backed Snowdon with $$$. Who got Snowdon, a guy who never finished a single college class, a six-figure job at Booz with high-level security clearance. Who paid who for Snowdon to get that gig? A gig he told GG about before he even started working there.

  15. August 30, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Ga. insurance chief brags about sabotage of ObamaCare
    By Jay Bookman

    NOTE: This column was originally published Wednesday in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and at myajc.com.


    “Let me tell you what we’re doing (about ObamaCare),” Georgia Insurance Commissioner Ralph Hudgens bragged to a crowd of fellow Republicans in Floyd County earlier this month: “Everything in our power to be an obstructionist.”

    After pausing to let applause roll over him, a grinning Hudgens went on to give an example of that obstructionist behavior, this one involving so-called “navigators” who are being hired to guide customers through the process of buying health insurance on marketplaces, or exchanges, set up under the federal program.

    “We have passed a law that says that a navigator, which is a position in that exchange, has to be licensed by our Department of Insurance,” Hudgens said. “The ObamaCare law says that we cannot require them to be an insurance agent, so we said fine, we’ll just require them to be a licensed navigator. So we’re going to make up the test, and basically you take the insurance agent test, you erase the name, you write ‘navigator test’ on it.”

    Hudgens clearly thought that was a pretty cute way for state officials to obstruct and delay implementation of the program and to ensure that it doesn’t work well for Georgians. Judging from their reaction, his audience thought so too. The question is why he thinks such steps are necessary


    • 47 africa
      August 30, 2013 at 9:14 am

      These people are hateful and deceitful.

    • August 30, 2013 at 9:31 am

      I referenced an article about the University of Georgia’s program to train and deploy “health navigators”. I think that the program is probably resourced so well that Hudgens and his ilk were afraid of its probable success.

      The University of Georgia applied for and was awarded a grant to train and deploy ”health navigators”. UGA would be working in conjunction with the state’s 163 Cooperative Extension offices as well as partners such as the Small Business Development Center and VITA. In addition, they would be reaching out to churches, libraries, “places that people congregate.”



      This definitely would have reached a significant portion of the 1.7 million uninsured people in Georgia. This obstructionist law would definitely impact the effectiveness of UGA’s efforts. However, I would like to believe that, as with many laws, loopholes and workarounds can be found so that information can be disseminated and people can be educated as this program was intended to do. Navigators aren’t in the business of selling insurance, but as the article stated, are “providing consumer education…”

    • August 30, 2013 at 9:43 am

      Insurance agents can still be certified to sell off the exchanges. This doesn’t do anything but keep people out of the workforce. it doesn’t stop insurance agents from selling exchange plans to clients. I know. I’m getting taking my certification class in two weeks.

  16. 50 Ladyhawke
    August 30, 2013 at 9:02 am

    UK Government: Greenwald’s Partner Had a Password Written on a Piece of Paper

    Greenwald’s deceptive narrative collapses

    By Charles Johnson


    The Telegraph’s David Barrett attended a hearing today on the detention of Glenn Greenwald’s partner David Miranda, and tweeted the following amazing information:
    This new information utterly destroys Greenwald’s self-serving narrative about this incident.

    Greenwald, of course is reacting to the news in his usual fashion — by implying the government is lying, and spewing insults.



  17. August 30, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Store rewards honest shoppers

    By Justin Lear, CNN

    updated 12:27 PM EDT, Wed August 28, 2013

    Four honest college football players are getting more than they bargained for after a shopping trip in Wayne, New Jersey.

    On Sunday night, Thomas James, Kell’E Gallimore, Jelani Bruce and Anthony Biondi drove from William Paterson University to Buddy’s Small Lots to look for a few items for their dorm rooms. But when they walked inside, no one else was there.

    The students thought it was odd that they were the only ones, but they say they had no idea it was supposed to be closed. Bruce told CNN: “At first, we were nervous. We didn’t know what to do. We thought people were there. We didn’t just want to walk out of the store.”

    When they paid for their batteries and sunglasses, they even included how much they owed for sales tax. And after leaving the money at a checkout counter, they walked to a Rite-Aid store next door and told an employee what they had done.

    Meanwhile, police were being alerted. Marci Lederman of Buddy’s Small Lots told CNN affiliate News 12 New Jersey: “We got a phone call from the police department saying that there had been a break-in at the store.” Upon arrival, store management said nothing was seen missing. It turns out a security malfunction had unlocked the doors.

    Lederman said that since the store is in a basement, some lights are left on after hours. Management took a look at the store’s surveillance video, which showed the four college students doing a little shopping and then walking around the store calling out for a store clerk so they could pay. In the video, two of the student athletes can be seen putting cash on the counter.

    James, who’s seen in the video waving to try to catch an employee’s attention, said he didn’t think too much about what happened until his brother called him the next day. “He asked me if I was at Buddy’s, my heart dropped a little bit,” James said. So he asked his brother: “Are we in trouble?”

    It turns out that trouble should have been the last thing on the students’ minds. The family-owned store chain wanted to thank the students for their honesty. So the four made another visit to Buddy’s on Tuesday, this time to meet employees and go on a free shopping spree.


  18. 54 JER
    August 30, 2013 at 9:06 am

  19. 55 sherijr
    August 30, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Heres my dilemma on Syria- all the talk that Congress should be allowed to speak/decide what if anything we do about Syria- and supposedly a majority of the country agrees w/ this. YET Congress has done nothing of substance.. is historically unpopular and gets the lowest ratings ever from the ‘people’. WHY would anyone want their opinion/ decision making on Syria? President Obama on the other hand has been the voice of reason and sound judgement for 5 years.. and yet suddenly/ or again, he’s being pressured/ second guessed. I just don’t get this country sometimes. I do feel we need to do something.. and I’m wise enough to know I don’t know what that something is, but I do believe President Obama will make a decision that is sound and reasonable and rational.

    • 56 Don
      August 30, 2013 at 9:22 am

      The only thing you should know, sherijr, is that President Obama is making all the decisions.

    • August 30, 2013 at 10:41 am

      I see another side. I completely trust President Obama…I don’t trust that he necessarily is receiving trustworthy intel. In other words, I think there are those who have a vested interest in launching conflict and will not hesitate to set him up just as they did Colin Powell. Since the public is against intervention, let Congress weigh in (with a vote) so they also shoulder responsibility for the outcome.

  20. 59 Don
    August 30, 2013 at 9:14 am

    I’m trying to remember which “Mission Impossible” movie it was that Tom Cruise’s character was tasked with retrieving a list that contained the names and locations of undercover government agents.

  21. August 30, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Good morning Chips,

    I posted a letter to President Obama last night here at TOD that I had sent to him late yesterday:


    A few moments ago I sent this tweet to Ambassador Rice and Ambassador Power …

    Perhaps they will read it ….

    If you could post the letter in your R&S, I’d appreciate it very much – would like to enable others to share it via FB as well as contact the White House. It is the best effort I can contribute to what I hope will be a national, if not international conversation about what our responsibilities are to each other when any government decides to gas or otherwise slaughter its own citizens.

    Thank you.



  22. 62 Vicki
    August 30, 2013 at 9:20 am

    11 days out in the NYC mayoral race and Bill deBlasio is leading in poll after poll. Chris Quinnberg has sunk to less than 20% in those same polls and Bill Thompson is holding steady.
    It is looking like the largest city in the USA will have an extremely progressive leader.
    I am so happy.

  23. 66 globalcitizenlinda
    August 30, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Am I alone in thinking that the UK vote was akin to our NO votes from the GOP – did the MP’s pull-a-GOP on PM Cameroon?

    • 67 Don
      August 30, 2013 at 9:30 am

      I think in the end Cameroon will be fine, he had to listen to Parliament. The UK isn’t some rogue nation and Cameroon isn’t some two-bit despot.

    • 68 99ts
      August 30, 2013 at 10:01 am

      He doesn’t have a tory majority – he is the PM with assistance from the Liberal Democrats – so he should not necessarily have thought he would get a majority, however 30 Tories voted against Cameron & 31 others didn’t vote. The vote was 285 to 272. The labor party of Tony Blair voted NO. The full voting is here. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/syria-how-your-mp-historic-2238483

      He was defeated by his own party, with help from the opposition – so I don’t see a GOP equivalence

      30 Tories against the Government
      31 Tories did not vote
      239 Tories supported the govt
      31 lib dems supported the govt
      9 lib dems voted against
      14 lib dems did not vote
      220 labor voted against the govt
      Another 20-40 miscellaneous party members seem to have voted against the govt

  24. 69 Ladyhawke
    August 30, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Making ‘Too Big To Fail’ Banks Help Poor Borrowers

    August 29th, 2013 2:24 pm
    David Cay Johnston


    Predatory lenders are folding fast in New York State, thanks to a savvy banking regulator who takes his duty to protect the public as seriously as his duties to the financial industry — and knows how to use the law to get quick action.

    Nine of 35 predatory lenders closed their operations in the Empire State after banks cut them off from using the automated bank money transfer system to collect debts from borrowers’ bank accounts, the trade paper American Banker reported on Thursday.

    It seems likely that more predatory outfits will fold their operations in the days ahead, not just in New York, but around the country, because the handful of “Too Big to Fail” banks operate in every state and so threatening them in New York effectively is a nationwide law enforcement strategy.

    Amazingly, all it took was a single letter, showing that regulation and enforcement need not be costly to taxpayers.



  25. August 30, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Even slower than usual this morning, tooooooo many distractions, but will have R&S up very-ish soon!

  26. 72 99ts
    August 30, 2013 at 10:11 am

    hahaha – Greenwald just couldn’t shut up on twitter for more than an hour. He and David Frum are having a minor spat.

    • 73 Don
      August 30, 2013 at 10:19 am

      I wonder if GG’s spouse knew he was carrying the names and locations of British and possible American undercover agents? And if he didn’t know what does he think of GG now?

  27. 74 Linda
    August 30, 2013 at 10:14 am

    SOS Kerry to make statement on Syria at 12 :30

  28. 76 cluny
    August 30, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Late to post on many subjects but firstly a belated thanks to Chips, UT and all other contributors for amazing coverage here.

    RE Snowden – I’ve always wondered if he was a Russian spy – I wondered about that from the get go.

    • 77 ericfive
      August 30, 2013 at 10:45 am

      Me too. I commented here about my belief that he is a Russian spy when this story first broke. A supposed “champion for civil liberties” running to China (via Hong Kong) and Russia makes ZERO sense. Not to be cold, but I hope Snowden and GG are arrested or eliminated, they pose a direct threat to the security of this country. If GG is allowed to set a precedent, then all a spy has to do is pose as a “journalist” and he can do whatever he pleases. That is unacceptable, especially considering the fact that real journalists are as rare as Unicorns.

  29. 78 Linda
    August 30, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Meet the Press came in last again….that is 4 out of 5 weeks .

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