118 Responses to “Throwback Thursday: The Bear Hug”

  1. August 29, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    • 2 pkayden
      August 29, 2013 at 6:39 pm

      Amen!! Although I’m glad that they weren’t there. It would have been hypocritical for them to pretend to agree with Dr. King’s sentiments as expressed in the I HAVE A DREAM speech. Repubs want the opposite of Dr. King’s goals.

  2. 4 Nena20409
    August 29, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Gold is perfect for Bobfr ๐Ÿ™‚

    Love those pictures……I remember them Well ๐Ÿ˜‰

  3. 8 Nena20409
    August 29, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    A Year ago…..I Love this……LOVE it โ—

  4. 9 Nena20409
    August 29, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    So Eastwooding is reportedly separated from his wife of 17 yrs? A year ago he was Eastwooding……and now? Hmm? Gleeful on my part? You better believe it……I used to like him until his crass behavior at the RNC Convention in FL……2012.

  5. 13 hopefruit2
    August 29, 2013 at 5:22 pm

  6. August 29, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    Thank yoooooooooooooooooooou UT!

  7. August 29, 2013 at 5:30 pm

  8. 18 hopefruit2
    August 29, 2013 at 5:32 pm

  9. 24 hopefruit2
    August 29, 2013 at 5:35 pm

  10. August 29, 2013 at 5:38 pm


    Why It’s a Mistake to Conflate Iraq and Syria, Bush and Obama

    Whether one backs a US/allied limited strike in Syria given the preponderance of the evidence is a legitimate point of debate. One may argue for Congressional approval, for UN approval, or for entirely staying out unless Syria begins to present an imminent danger to American security or that of our allies. One may argue that any action should await a full report of the UN weapons inspectors. One may argue that the United States has no responsibility to act even given Syria’s flagrant violation of human rights and the UN Convention Against Chemical Weapons.
    But one cannot reasonably argue with the material facts of the case. One cannot argue that the Syrian government is not responsible for exactly what the Obama administration has said it is responsible for. Whether that is sufficient cause for a US-led strike may be up to debate, but whether the facts are the facts is not.

    Let me recap: First, President Obama isn’t lying about Syria to try to get his way on military strike, unlike George W. Bush on Iraq. Second, President Obama’s response will be just that, a response, not a pre-meditated plan of attack executed when the opportunity presented itself. And last but not least, the goal of any possible strikes won’t be regime change.

    • 28 pkayden
      August 29, 2013 at 6:45 pm

      I don’t think anyone in their right mind would equate President Obama and President Bush. Sensible people are just asking for caution in how we handle this hot potato. There are no easy answers to the Syrian civil war and I’m not sure what would be accomplished by air strikes. I am praying that the President makes the correct decision, which I know he is striving to do. Bush used 9/11 as an excuse to invade Iraq. President Obama is not looking for any excuses to take military action against Syria. He’s doing his job as the President and weighing the evidence carefully.

      God bless him! Whatever decision he makes he’s going to take heat (and is already).

      • 29 0388jojothecat
        August 29, 2013 at 10:03 pm

        You would be surprised to hear the so-called left radio today. They have decided that PBO has decided to go to war, go it alone, I voted for him and now he’s doing what he said he would not do, I guess no listening to the radio for awhile.

  11. August 29, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    So I was wondering why I kept seeing Michael Jackson video’s today, and then the Google told me that today woulda been MJs 55th birthday.

    So who knows all the words to “We Are The World” and who can tell who’s singing without seeing the video? (raises hands….) ME!!!

    We Are The World

  12. 34 dotster3
    August 29, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Now what?

    • 35 hopefruit2
      August 29, 2013 at 5:54 pm

      The UK has bigger fish to fry, like an extremely high unemployment rate. Let the US (and other allies) take care of Syria if such a need is determined.

    • August 29, 2013 at 6:10 pm

      I’d imagine most (all?) of Britain is rejoicing tonight Dotster, huge smack in the face for Cameron:

      British MPs have voted to reject possible military action against the Assad regime in Syria to deter the use of chemical weapons. A government motion was defeated 285 to 272, a majority of 13 votes.

      Prime Minster David Cameron said it was clear Parliament does not want action and “the government will act accordingly”. It effectively rules out British involvement in any US-led strikes against the Assad regime.

      And it comes as blow to the authority of David Cameron, who had already watered down a government motion proposing military action, in response to the opposition Labour Party’s demands for more evidence of Assad’s guilt.

      Labour had seen its own amendment – calling for “compelling” evidence – rejected by MPs by 114 votes. But – in an unexpected turn of events – MPs also rejected the government’s motion in support of military action in Syria if it was supported by evidence from United Nations weapons inspectors, who are investigating claims President Bashar al-Assad’s regime had used chemical weapons against civilians.


      • August 29, 2013 at 6:42 pm

        ..and if the international community deems to do nothing…do we stay out as well….

        The Arab League is on record saying that Assad used CW on his people….what will they say if the West takes no action…

        Oooooooo weeeeeee….

        • August 29, 2013 at 6:45 pm

          It’s a nightmare Prettyfoot, an absolute nightmare – and as others have said, either way, intervention or no intervention, it’s all so scarily dangerous.

  13. 43 Dakota
    August 29, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    My boss’ brother in law had a massive heart attack and died this weekend. I just found out that he didn’t have medical insurance so he wouldn’t go to the doctor. He’d just turned 60 years old. This shouldn’t have happened. I didn’t even know this man, but I’m so saddened.

    • 44 carolyn
      August 29, 2013 at 5:59 pm

      So many people feel they have to put off medical care until they are eligible for Medicare. Very sad for all. This is one more demonstration of our country’s need for universal health care.

    • August 29, 2013 at 9:09 pm

      My brother is 63 and has been without medical dental care since 2003. He makes too much for medical so I have to wait until the exchanges go live. He’s fairly healthy he just needs mental care.

  14. 48 Jovie
    August 29, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    In flight?

  15. August 29, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    People will die with intervention, and people will die without, I promise you, I’m ok w/no intervention. but then again I’m also not gonna be bothered by the sight of chemical war victims if chemical weapons are really being used.

    So I’ll be glad if we don’t get anywhere near Syria, but I swear if I see one person come crying about the victims,or one stupid blog post ala Sully showing victims of the Syrian chemical attacks, I will scream and I promise you I will troll hard.

    I’m just saying.

    Also, I’m not a fan of the celebrations over this. Intervention or not, there will be people over there who will die and if CW is being used will die horribly. Don’t think that it should getting any f(*& yeah, type of celebration.

    • August 29, 2013 at 6:47 pm

      I hear you! With threats to the ballot, the assault on womenโ€™s reproductive health, stand your ground, stop and frisk, a broken immigration system, an overburdened prison system, poor schools, sequestration, unemployment, racial unrest…all I can say is, the Syrian unrest is unfortunate and Iโ€™m sorry. I tend to feel like my Grandmother right about now…โ€Every tub has to sit on its own bottom.โ€

      • August 29, 2013 at 6:53 pm

        Not saying I dont care, but I am bothered by it, but as someone who does not want intervention, then I have to be able to live with the possiblility of seeing possible victim)

        • August 29, 2013 at 6:58 pm

          I got that. I care too, but it isn’t my priority. It is my hope the President will wait for the report and then let Congress vote on it.

  16. August 29, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Seeing those British MPs celebrate the vote was just vile, do they think this is some kind of friggin’ game? I don’t blame British citizens being against intervention after being conned in to the pointless Iraq War, but for their MPs to whoop it up after the vote, when people are dying, was enough to make anyone ill.

    • 57 99ts
      August 29, 2013 at 7:10 pm

      They really don’t want any more war – I believe that is what they were celebrating – not anything that is happening in Syria. People are going to died in Syria – whether there is any intervention or not. I personally cannot see what is to be gained by anyone by any intervention.

      • August 29, 2013 at 7:12 pm

        It was just so classless to celebrate 99ts, whatever the right thing is to do over Syria – and needless to say I have no clue – people are dying there, horribly.

        • 59 99ts
          August 29, 2013 at 7:19 pm

          Like everyone says – there are no winners in this part of the world – none – be it The UK looking heartless/stupid or Russia supporting the current leaders in Syria – or the US media trying to make policy (as for Boehner – if there was a President Romney, Boehner would be accepting whatever the administration wants to do).

          And our PM is still trying to pretend he has a role to play on the international stage – pretentious git.

          • August 29, 2013 at 7:23 pm

            “And our PM is still trying to pretend he has a role to play on the international stage โ€“ pretentious git.”

            ๐Ÿ˜† Come on 99ts, speak your mind!

            • 61 99ts
              August 29, 2013 at 7:34 pm

              He is lucky voting is compulsory in my world or there would be a 10% turnout next Saturday (One of our smarter policies – voting is always on a saturday). We have a choice between the pretentious git and the RWNJ – and no policies from either that create jobs.

              Julia was defeated in part because of a carbon tax (that industry complained about – despite it didn’t raise much money) – and both parties are going to repeal it – so much for global warming – and there is virtually no talk in my world that it doesn’t exist.

      • August 29, 2013 at 7:14 pm

        And the other fact in this is that a lot of right wing Tories voted against Cameron tonight simply because they loathe him and want him replaced – for those people, this has nothing to do with principles.

      • 63 Believe Again
        September 2, 2013 at 2:43 pm

        The problem with not intervening, is that these things have a very good way of reaching out and touching everyone eventually. What about British Syrians who have majority of their families still there? Also we know that Assad tried this in small measures to see what the international community will do, they did nothing so now in a much larger scale. So what is next? Should they try it on the Iranians, Saudis, Israelis or even the West? Why not right? After all Russia still resents the part the west and their allies played in their current status why not return the favour. With Snowdon who I think is, was a spy for the Russians and Chinese, trying to bring down the US and her allies, we still do not know the extent of the damage based on the information he stole.

        You can be anti-intervention as I must confess I am also, but reality and past experience points to the fact that this will reach the West one way or another (even if only through refugees flocking to these nations) and continue to set a very grievous precedent which others will most likely follow.

    • 64 nathkatun7
      August 29, 2013 at 8:11 pm

      I agree with you Chipsticks! That was shameful behavior. If the Syrian regime is allowed by the international community to get away with gassing its own people then the precedent would have been set for future dictators to do the same. I was hoping that people learnt a lesson from the genocide in Rwanda. Personally, I wish there was a way to bring Democracy to the U.N. by doing away with the veto power of the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council.

      • August 29, 2013 at 8:15 pm

        That veto power really makes the UN a joke, nathkatun7 – and I include the US’s power to veto resolutions re Palestine in that too. It renders the whole institution pointless.

        I just don’t think the world can stand by while these horrors are happening, but surely there is a way to avoid ‘boots on the ground’, which would be catastrophic. But something has to be done to help these people.

      • August 29, 2013 at 9:14 pm

        Personally, I wish there was a way to bring Democracy to the U.N. by doing away with the veto power of the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council.



  17. 67 criquet
    August 29, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    Interesting points of view:

  18. August 29, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    I’ve been over at Balloon Juice (yes I’m still commenting there, cause ya gotta take it to them sometimes…lol)

    Again, Intervention or no intervention, people will die and many will die horribly. So cutesy things like, “Maybe he is just trying to earn another Nobel Prize.“, are very cute and trolley, but maybe too cute by half.

    Syria crisis: Incendiary bomb victims ‘like the walking dead’

    A BBC team inside Syria filming for Panorama has witnessed the aftermath of a fresh horrific incident – an incendiary bomb dropped onto a school playground in the north of the country – which has left scores of children with napalm-like burns over their bodies.

    Eyewitnesses describe a fighter jet dropping the device, a low explosion, followed by columns of fire and smoke.

    Warning: Ian Pannell and cameraman Darren Conway’s report contains images viewers may find extremely distressing.

  19. 70 criquet
    August 29, 2013 at 6:41 pm

  20. 74 hopefruit2
    August 29, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    • August 29, 2013 at 7:04 pm

      With the bailout of the auto industry and the booming profits from the car industry, I know Michigan would be farther along in their recovery if they had a Democratic governor. The 2010 midterm election should be on everyone’s mind when they walk into that voting booth. It should be treated like a general election.

      • August 29, 2013 at 7:34 pm

        Report tonight on our local news, including some comments from Gov. Haslam (R) about the automobile industry, how many jobs it provides…….suppliers and “on down the line”. I had to bite my tongue to not say aloud “If PO hadn’t saved the automobile industry, our state wouldn’t have these jobs. I did make that point to my (R) husband few months ago so decided to bite my tongue tonight.

  21. August 29, 2013 at 6:53 pm

  22. 79 vitaminlover
    August 29, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    Awwwwwww! Reverend Al has been on MSNBC for 2 years as of tonight. Congratulations, Rev!

    • August 29, 2013 at 7:58 pm

      Rev Al is consistent. That is the way one builds loyal followers. Some of the other hosts could learn from him. Congrats to him for lasting 2 years.

      • 81 vitaminlover
        August 29, 2013 at 10:35 pm

        Yes, indeed he has a strong work ethic. I can count on one hand how many days he has missed over this time period and that is saying something.

  23. 82 hopefruit2
    August 29, 2013 at 7:05 pm

  24. August 29, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Labor whining about the PBO…
    the best friend that labor has that workers have…that the Middle Class has….is presently in the white house…namely Barack Obama…and I am glad that he will address the rank and file….

  25. August 29, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    More BJ commentary: To be clear though, I fully expect Maddow and Hayes and the rest to be showing these massacre photos if they occur and then chiding the admin for not doing anything about it.

    I also expect it to happen on the rest of the devout left blogs as well. Oh and people on this blog are heartbroken when they are shown pics of animal abuse, so I also expect that here at BJ, the photos of massacres will be use to chide as well.

    Thatโ€™s why all Iโ€™m am saying is that as someone who is for non-intervention, then I have to be able to live with the possibilility of seeing possible victims. Iโ€™m saying that I can do that, not sure if other people will be able to also.

    • August 29, 2013 at 7:55 pm

      Lamh, I’m with you on non-intervention, but I think we are too casual in our war coverage. Show the pictures and the wreckage and tell the heartbreaking stories. How many know it’s estimated that sixty-million people were killed during WWII? Most of them civilians. Several breeds of horses, dogs and cats became extinct among other things. War is hell on civilians.

      • 101 99ts
        August 29, 2013 at 8:03 pm

        Collateral damage as sometimes called. Coverage was basically forbidden during WWI & II. Veterans never spoke of what they saw nor what happened to them. The trenches in WWI were an unbelievable nightmare for those involved. Deaths and injuries were statistics. War is now known to be hell on everyone – civilians and soldiers – yet it goes on and on and on.

  26. August 29, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    Chips, UT, Anyone, is there a transcript of the Presidents speech from yesterday?

  27. August 29, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    My (feeble) contribution to the Syria debate:

    1) From Tuesday:

    2) After today’s UK Parliament vote:

  28. August 29, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    You know the situation is almost beyond comprehension when AQ is threatening massive attacks against Assad ….

    “(Reuters) – An al Qaeda affiliate threatened a “Volcano of Revenge” against Syrian government security and military targets in retaliation for a suspected poison attack near Damascus, the SITE Monitoring Group reported late on Tuesday.

    A branch of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) said in a statement it would punish Syria for a series of massacres, including last week’s alleged chemical weapons attack, after meeting eight Syrian factions.

    “The meeting factions decided to carry out the “Volcano of Revenge” invasion in response to the regime’s massacres against our people in Eastern Ghouta, the last of which was the chemical weapons massacre,” SITE quoted the statement, dated August 26, as saying.

    “They have decided to strike the main joints of the regime in imprisoned Damascus, including security branches, support and supply points, training centres, and infrastructure,” it said.”


    • 112 dotster3
      August 29, 2013 at 8:22 pm

      This situation is the biggest complicated mess I’ve ever seen. So al Qaeda will be our ally in Syria? And Russia moving warships toward Syria? When people say “there are no good options”, that has to be the understatement of the century. And this proposed action seems to be about as popular as a poison dart, here and abroad. It is true, as has been noted, that W and Iraq damaged trust in intelligence and expectations of positive outcomes in these ventures, even in the light of evidence of horrific atrocities. I have so much empathy for President Obama having to deal with this most difficult situation.

  29. 113 HZ
    August 29, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    Good Afrernoon, my Chips and TOD family. Just now able to get to my computer. I had to stop in and say hello. I am as tired as a tick. However, I do feel a rather like I have been productive through this long process with the house. Just like things to be over. I had a wonderful person to work with me this morning and part of the afternoon with paper work. Somebody prayed for me besides me, I felt it.

    Now, I want to catch up on my all of the news here and try to go to bed early tonight. Probably will not meet that goal, but I am still grateful to be here with beautiful people in my life.

    ((((((((((((( TY, my Chips for all that you do for President Obama and all of us.))))))))))))) Serious decisions to be made, and I am going to trust our President to make them with lots of precision and lots of wisdom. () () () for our president and advisors.

    I love my TOD family. ((((((((((((( Let us stay focus, loving in our deeds, and total respect to our President and each other. )))))))))))))) We are going to move with him with all of our energy. HZ

  30. 116 jacquelineoboomer
    August 29, 2013 at 8:02 pm

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