Rise and Shine

New York, July 14



12:0: Jay Carney briefs the press

12:05: President Obama and Michelle Obama have lunch with George H. W. Bush,  Barbara Bush, and members of the Bush family

1:45: President Obama and Michelle Obama host George H.W. Bush and Barbara Bush to honor the 5,000th Daily Point of Light Award winner





Tatum Stoball, 5, of Madison, Wis., holds up a sign during a protest of the acquittal of George Zimmerman, July 14, in Madison



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Wendy Davis: Why I stood up for Texas women

Texas state leaders have again taken up a partisan effort to impose severe restrictions on the ability of women in our state to receive reproductive and other crucial health-care services. Just a few weeks ago, I spent nearly 13 hours filibustering this bill. I stood up to filibuster the bill because Texas Republicans leaders would rather pursue a partisan agenda than help Texas women. I stood to oppose the bill because it rolled back constitutional rights and would reduce the number of women’s health clinics from 42 to 5, thereby threatening the health and safety of thousands of Texas women.

I know how important this is because as a young woman, the only health care I received — preventative care, cancer screenings, checkups, etc. — came from a women’s health clinic close to where I live in Fort Worth. Indeed, more than 90 percent of the care provided by these centers has nothing at all to do with abortion. Quite the opposite, their services are absolutely critical to preventing unplanned pregnancies and to providing much-needed health-care screening.

More here


Texas Tribune: State Sen. Wendy Davis, the new star of the Texas Democratic Party, raised nearly $1 million in the final two weeks of June, much of it from small donors who sent her money after she launched her famous filibuster of a restrictive abortion bill, her campaign will reveal Monday.

More here


Oooooooh, the poor fella indeed!!



USA Today: President Obama spends part of Monday paying tribute one of his Republican predecessors.

The president and first lady Michelle Obama welcome ex-President George H.W. Bush and former first lady Barbara Bush to a White House ceremony to recognize the Points of Light volunteer program.

…. While honoring Bush, President Obama also plans to announce creation of a new federal task force “to identify additional ways that the public and private sectors can partner together to support national service as a strategy for tackling national priorities.”

Monday’s ceremony at the White House includes recipients of the 5,000th Daily Point of Light Award: Floyd Hammer and Kathy Hamilton, a retired couple and farm owners from Union, Iowa, whose nonprofit organization delivers free meals to children suffering from hunger in more than 15 countries, including the United States.

More here


National Memo: 5 Ways The GOP’s Obstruction Is Unprecedented

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TPM: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has set up a high-stakes Senate rules showdown this week over the confirmation of several presidential nominees, threatening to eliminate the filibuster for executive nominations (but not judges or legislation) with a simple majority — the so-called nuclear option — if Republicans block them.

Test votes will begin Tuesday on seven of President Obama’s executive nominees. But the real threat comes down to the confirmation of nominees for two agencies that Republicans dislike: The National Labor Relations Board and Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

More here


On this day….

July 15, 2011: “One of the most poignant days of the year was when Ruby Bridges visited the White House. Ruby is the girl portrayed in Norman Rockwell’s famous painting, “The Problem We All Live With,” which depicts Ruby as she is escorted to school on the court-ordered first day of integrated schools in New Orleans in 1960. When the Norman Rockwell Museum loaned the painting to the White House for a short period of time, the President invited Ruby to view the painting while it was on display outside the Oval Office.” (Pete Souza)



President Obama hugs First Lady Michelle Obama after watching her jump rope during a taping for the Presidential Active Lifestyle Award (PALA) challenge and Nickelodeon’s Worldwide Day of Play, July 15, 2011. (Pete Souza)


Morning everyone.

204 Responses to “Rise and Shine”

  1. 1 donna dem 4 obama
    July 15, 2013 at 9:41 am

    I do believe that we shall overcome someday!

    • 2 CEB
      July 15, 2013 at 10:25 am

      These pictures give me hope and remind me that most of us have gone beyond our current laws and the attitudes of the small, but powerful minority. We have all that we need, really to change things, to make our union more perfect. Our country, as depicted in these photos of nation-wide rallies, is the one that more truly show who we are. Time to move forward to make our nation reflect the views of the true majority for a more equal, just and fair America.
      The tapestry of America is beautifully diverse and strong; we will prevail.
      My favorite one is the first in the series. The symbolize of the Young A A woman, full of power and sorrow, and determination, literally held up and surrounded by people of every ethnicity and orientation; it gives me chills. This is the photo that should be carried in every media outlet, here and abroad.

      • 3 CEB
        July 15, 2013 at 10:27 am

        Too tired to edit, but you know what I mean.

        • 4 HZ
          July 15, 2013 at 5:04 pm

          CEB, your words are so elegantly spoken with such a deep emotion of the power of The Hope That Resides in the Tapestry of America. Yes, we will prevail. (((((TY, CEB)))))HZ

      • 5 arkluvspbo
        July 15, 2013 at 12:17 pm

        CEB…That is my fave picture too!! THAT is humanity — lifting ONE person up for the benefit of us all.

    • July 15, 2013 at 3:08 pm

      After a couple of days have passed I have been able to get past my stunned and angry response to the verdict in the trial. I am now heartened at the mixed race crowds responding peacefully in the streets. I was ashamed to be white when the verdict was announced. I know how important our job is to stay on top of getting the correct party into office to repeal these appalling laws that give the gun packing vigilantes the advantage. This all reflects back on the NRA and the GOP lawmakers. I hope the recent voter suppression laws passed, the curtailing of women reproductive rights and the pushing of loosening gun laws from the GOP will turn out the electorate against them.

  2. 7 Jovie
    July 15, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Well, they have a full Snate Caucus meeting in the old Senste today.
    To discuss Senste rules and filibuster!
    Come on Harry don’t cave!

    • 8 Jovie
      July 15, 2013 at 9:47 am


    • 15 Bill
      July 15, 2013 at 9:47 am

      Some one said this morning it might even take a vote by VP Biden to make the 51 votes.

    • 16 Jovie
      July 15, 2013 at 9:49 am

      Lol! I was at a light and I couldn’t type .
      Please forgive typos?

    • July 15, 2013 at 10:00 am

      Jovie, I believe Harry has made up his mind. Will he have the backing of his caucus? That is the question.

      • 20 Jovie
        July 15, 2013 at 10:08 am

        Good question!
        Should be interesting!

      • 21 57andfemale
        July 15, 2013 at 10:54 am

        Reid said that he does. If he and some Dem’s hadn’t gotten all insulted by ‘uppity’ Merkley in January and if the Leader had, well, led, we could have changed the rules at the appropriate time instead of going nuclear now.

        • 22 vcprezofan2
          July 15, 2013 at 11:29 am

          Morning, 57F. Yep Harry disappointed me earlier – shattered my ‘fledgling trust’ in him actually- but I’m going with the ‘no time like the present’ mantra. If he can get something done this time, all a wee bit will be forgiven him on my part. #FORWARD

          • 23 57andfemale
            July 15, 2013 at 11:46 am

            No happy dance until Harry gives me a reason for one. I really thought his tough talk at the end of last year would lead to reform and he ended up outright lying to us. But this time feels different and I’m hopeful.

            • 24 vcprezofan2
              July 15, 2013 at 11:57 am

              O I’m certainly not dancing ……..yet, but I do intend to look for my dancing shoes sometime today, in case they are needed.

        • 26 Anna Luc
          July 15, 2013 at 11:48 am

          Good Morning! Sen. Reid did not have the votes at the beginning of the session. A handful of dem senators including Feinstein of CA refused to support the rule change. So I am emailing her again this morning to vote with Harry!

          • 27 57andfemale
            July 15, 2013 at 11:58 am

            I know that. Barbara Boxer too and the usual suspects of rotten Dem’s. They were more upset with ‘uppity’ Merkley for calling them out by name.

            That being said, that’s what leadership is for, and Harry Reid is not effective at getting his caucus to support the Democratic agenda or PBO. Republicans would have dumped him long ago, but Dem’s are just too nice.

            So if leadership won’t do it, we will! Letters, emails, tweets, calls — whatever it takes to let our Senators know that this President is entitled to his administration.

  3. 28 desertflower
    July 15, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Morning:) Well, from the looks of these photos, once again…it looks like America understands what lawmakers don’t.

    • 29 Eveingeorgia
      July 15, 2013 at 10:14 am


      Here is one response to your essay on Trayvon.

      Desert Flower has the right solution, but how do we put it into action? I feel helplessly distraught over the not guilty

      verdict of Zimmerman. A boy is dead for no good reason–vindicated by American mothers no less. How can we

      be in this world and still throw off the mantel of injustice that has prevailed so deeply that it cannot be ignored?

      Trusting in the Lord to help us to deal with the collective racism that is always under the surface of American society

      is difficult. The bible says to pray for those who despitefully abuse us–that is the hard part. The battle is indeed

      the Lord’s. The word says that He will take care of the evil that so often washes over us. He says that vengeance is

      His–so even when things seem hopeless–that gives us hope so that we can let go!


    • 30 Eveingeorgia
      July 15, 2013 at 10:20 am


      Here two more:

      Subject: On Trayvon Martin and Other Issues

      Profound and beautiful words of wisdom! Hear ye, hear ye!,
      Thanks for sharing this Evelyn.


      to me
      Evelyn, thanks for sending me this. It’s quite sobering on a dark day. As is often the case, this situation begs the question, “Why?” Have we not gone as far as we thought? Clearly the battle is not over.


      • 31 desertflower
        July 15, 2013 at 10:34 am

        Eve:) Thanks for sharing these….well, we may never know the “why”…but really, it doesn’t matter as much as picking ourselves up and getting involved to change a broken justice system. However people choose to engage themselves to that end…work with organizations that deal with judicial equality, OFA, gun control….the point is to take this anger, heartbreak and turn it into a positive moving force for change. It could be writing LTE’s to many newspapers, speaking at community centers, church…registering voters…so many things can happen when we work together in a positive way. Educating others about the gun laws and regressive policies of the NRA and ALEC that enable and envision a society where this behavior by GZ is prevalent. Done without the knowledge or will of the people….people need to educate themselves and in turn, educate others and get them involved. People ARE paying attention! Now is the time. Organize where you are, in your community….and make it grow and grow.
        Thanks for sharing this….I hope that you continue to share what I wrote with others, in the hope that it will not make them despair or shame them…but move them toward action and change. Time to tend the garden, so the seeds we planted are allowed to bloom and flourish!

  4. July 15, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Good Morning Chipsticks, TODers…Everyone!

    Hope everyone strives to be optimistic and productive today.


    Bringing this over from last post….

    We are saddened, angry, disappointed, and frustrated about a number of recent events – the Zimmerman verdict, SCOTUS Voting Rights Act decision, Anti Choice Legislation and other legislation affecting Women’s Health Care, Food Stamps, Immigration Reform, Gun Control Legislation, Student Loan Rates Rising, and on and on….Our emotions are certainly justified.

    But we cannot be so focused on our anger and disappointment that we allow it to take away our ability to function. We have to continue to live our day-to-day lives. That does not mean we should forget the reason for our anger and disappointment. Far from it. Instead, let those emotions make us more determined; more motivated to do what we need to do to get this country back on the right path. Don’t let our emotions weaken us and make us reckless, but use those emotions find a way to garner strength.

    Dealing with our emotions is often difficult. Some cope by turning inside ourselves for meditation and self-reflection. Some find it better to reach out to others….to vent…to get calming words…to get hugs. But whatever coping mechanism works best, strive for strength…strength of heart to have the will and resolve to go forward…and strength of mind to be wise in our decisions and thoughtful in our actions.

    We have been given a number of shakes telling us to WAKE UP! Resting on our laurels and negative attitudes have caused us to lose ground. We have to stop just thinking about the NOW. We have to also think about the possibilities of tomorrow. WE CAN’T GO BACK TO SLEEP!

  5. July 15, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Thanks for bringing us the emotion of those seeking justice within peaceful rallies. The message is clear and comes to us from people across the entire strata of the US and the world.

  6. 39 amk for obama
    July 15, 2013 at 9:55 am


    So is this the day the dems grow a backbone or fold like a reed?

    • July 15, 2013 at 10:02 am

      McConnell is so freaked out he is threatening to filibuster the DHS nomination. If all goes well, he is about to become powerless.

      It took me awhile to get on board with changing Senate rules. But PBO’s presidency has been hamstrung for far too long and we are fast losing our democracy.

      • 41 57andfemale
        July 15, 2013 at 10:58 am

        If something is abused, it requires a remedy.

        And let’s be clear, meta: if and when the Repubs gain control of the Senate (God forbid) they would have eliminated the filibuster. This notion that Republicans would have respected the rules that they used like a club to stop PBO from functioning, is patently absurd.

        This is the Republican playbook: abuse something (Special Prosecutor law, the economy, PBO’s constitutional right to appoint a staff and judges), then get rid of it so Dem’s can’t have the same power.

  7. July 15, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Please add my city!!

  8. 43 99ts
    July 15, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Thank you Ms Chips – the video from MHP is powerful and well explains what racism means today.

  9. 44 desertflower
    July 15, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Other observers have offered up another question and scenario that we should consider as well: what if George Zimmerman, instead of assuming a black person was an imminent threat who should be confronted with lethal force for the “crime” of being in Zimmerman’s self-appointed kingdom without “permission”, simply introduced himself, and offered Trayvon a ride home so he wouldn’t have to walk in the rain?

    Zimmerman’s bigotry and ego would have still motivated his actions. But maybe a small amount of empathy and humanity would have encouraged Zimmerman to see this black stranger as someone like him, with rights, freedoms, and liberties that should be respected. And such a small gesture could have perhaps dissuaded him getting out of his truck, with a bullet in the chamber, ready–or perhaps wanting to–shoot down in cold blood a young black man.


    • 45 57andfemale
      July 15, 2013 at 11:04 am

      You don’t go out with a loaded gun for no other reason than to manufacture ‘suspects’ in order to offer a black teenager a ride home.

      Zimmerman was not there to foster peaceful solutions or even the safety of his neighborhood. He was there to eradicate whomever his fevered, Rush Limbaugh-informed brain decided was an enemy. He was trolling for someone to kill, and that person was most likely someone black.

      The implications of the NRA push over the last three decades to sell guns has eroded society to a dangerous point. Vanishing from American consciousness is the idea that conflicts can be handled thoughtfully and peacefully. Every slight, every traffic altercation, every person walking down the street that you ‘suspect’ – the remedy and the only remedy is to shoot. And thanks to this case, shoot them dead because without a witness to the other side of the story, you get away with murder.

      We are isolated in our phones and texts instead of noticing and co-existing with people on the street and in public. We are losing all sense of social interaction, much less a respect for the commons. We are truly devolving as a species.

      We live in terrifying times.

      • July 15, 2013 at 12:34 pm

        “You don’t go out with a loaded gun for no other reason than to manufacture ‘suspects’ in order to offer a black teenager a ride home. ”

        You know – I thought the same thought when I wrote this (note the date):

        • 47 57andfemale
          July 15, 2013 at 12:41 pm

          A powerful and sadly accurate view.

        • 48 nathkatun7
          July 15, 2013 at 4:14 pm

          I’ve been saying exactly the same thing! These so called “Stand You Ground” laws are giving racist white the license to lynch people. On the surface they are color-blind. But in reality, every one knows who they are aimed at: mainly Black and Brown, and especially young men. Just as the Voting ID requirements is a return to the Jim crow era voting restrictions of Poll-tax, grandfather and good conduct exceptions, and the literacy/understanding tests.

    • 49 vcprezofan2
      July 15, 2013 at 11:49 am

      ‘simply introduced himself, and offered Trayvon a ride home so he wouldn’t have to walk in the rain?’

      Desertf, this sounds good, but in truth, *I* would hate to think of MY son (stupidly) getting in a car on a dark rainy night with a stranger, especially close to home. I’d far rather he’d have said ‘thank you but I’m alright’ and hurried away. Of course, he might still have been shot, but imagining him in the car with the likes of Zimmerman feels creepy to me.

    • 50 Obama Grandmama
      July 15, 2013 at 4:20 pm

      I would certainly hope Trayvon would NOT have accepted a ride home from a stranger regardless of his age. That would have even seemed more unsafe.

  10. 51 japa21
    July 15, 2013 at 10:08 am

    GM all. I have avoided the intertubes since Saturday night except to check email and such. I needed time to deal with my own emotional response to the verdict, as well as my intellectual response. They can’t be fully separated.

    Emotionally, I still am disgusted by it. There is no question in my mind that Zimmerman was guilty of manslaughter. And my heart cries when I think of everything the family has gone through and will continue to go through. A person decided to kill their son based, primarily, on the fact he was black.

    Yet, being honest with myself, I also believe the jury reached the correct LEGAL verdict. By law, the prosecution had tro prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trayvon did not initiate the actual physical confrontation and that Zimmerman did not feel that he was in danger of being grievously injured. Reality is that, since Zimmerman did not take the stand (a very smart move as it turns out) and that Trayvon was unable to testify, that this was an insurmountable task for the prosecution.

    And this conclusion results in even more emotional upheaval for me. Because I understand the reason for that law. It protects the truly innocent who have to react to a severe threat. If my son were accosted and in defending himself killed the person who accosted him, I would want that same level of proof required.

    In this case, we can talk about whether or not Zimmerman should have left the care and all of that, but the reality is, in doing so, he did not break the law. Even if Trayvon did initiate the physical contact (which I doubt) he was responding to what he saw as a threat. Yet from a purely legal POV, he was still in the wrong in terms of the verdict of this case.

    And let’s face it, if the roles had been reversed, Trayvon would have been arrested and found guilty, because the law is not applied equally.

    There is a high bar set for the finding of guilty for a reason. Ufortunately, what history shows in that that bar is not set the same for all people, heavily dependent on racial and social status lines. I hope that this case results in a serioyus discussion of this fact. Based upon what I know about the current state of this country, I despair of that.

    • July 15, 2013 at 10:16 am

      Morning Japa. For me the most critical fact in the whole case is that Zimmerman was told by the dispatcher not to follow Trayvon, that the police would deal with the situation – but he followed him any way. He was the aggressor. There would have been no confrontation but for him. I know it’s impossible to remove emotion from all of this, but when I try to imagine how I would have reacted as a juror to that fact, I can’t see how I’d go for anything but guilty – he sought the confrontation, not Trayvon, he was armed, Trayvon wasn’t.

      • July 15, 2013 at 10:25 am

        I think jury selection was a major problem. When I read the profiles of the jury, I am astonished that this was the best the prosecution could do. It reads exactly like the group you would not want to hear your case.


        • 54 99ts
          July 15, 2013 at 10:45 am

          The prosecution didn’t try very hard meta – I watched the jury selection. There were many who wanted to be on that jury and maintained that they had read and heard very little about the case. This was very hard to believe – but the prosecution did nothing to elicit what they had/had not decided. The prosecutor asked very basic questions and did most of the talking, rather than LISTEN to what the prospective jurors had to say. The defense did very well to get rid of those they did not want – and got much more information from those in the jury pool than did the prosecution. Quite a number of prospective jurors indicated they had made up their minds – a few spoke very precisely as to what they thought.

      • 55 japa21
        July 15, 2013 at 10:25 am

        I realize that, yet although wrong in many ways, it was not illegal. Andf there is a difference between a confrontation in which physical blows are struck and one in which they are not. The main point I wanted to make is that this will, hopefully, open up a serious discussion on the variance in justice in this country.

        Also, too, justice and the law are not one and the same.

        I fully expect the DOJ to go after Zimmermaqn on a civil rights charge, and it will probablys tick as one of the defense’s main arguments was that going afetr Trayvon was legitimate because he was black.

        Also, if the Martin’s do a civil suit, Zimmerman will haev to testify.

        I remember being equally upset when OJ was found not guilty, although, upon reviewing the law, the jury also reached the correct legal verdict in that case, although I have no doubt OJ was guilty.

      • 56 Obama Grandmama
        July 15, 2013 at 4:24 pm

        I remember hearing the defense tell the jury that it is not against the law to follow someone.

        • 57 Obama Grandmama
          July 15, 2013 at 4:26 pm

          I also remember thinking the word follow seems so much softer than stalking. Afterwards I wondered if stalking was one of those words not allowed to be spoken in the trial.

    • July 15, 2013 at 10:21 am

      The prosecution stumbled repeatedly but so did the defense. Zimmerman told a story that did not hold up because he kept changing important details and there was contradicting evidence. I do think he could have and should have been convicted of manslaughter.

    • July 15, 2013 at 10:27 am

      i will respectfully disagree with you on this…the fact that if Trayvon had been a white youth killed by a black man the verdict would have been different..trumps all the leagaleese discussion…

      • 60 ericfive
        July 15, 2013 at 10:41 am


      • 61 japa21
        July 15, 2013 at 10:44 am

        As I mentioned above, I agree with you.

        • 62 ericfive
          July 15, 2013 at 10:57 am

          “Because I understand the reason for that law. It protects the truly innocent who have to react to a severe threat. If my son were accosted and in defending himself killed the person who accosted him, I would want that same level of proof required.”

          I guess you did not hear about the black woman sentenced to 20 years for shooting warning shots at her abusive husband? So long as your son is shooting a person of color, and is white himself, you are correct he will likely not be punished. The Stand Your Ground law is a defacto Get Out of Jail Free card for white folks to kill people of color, who are by their very existence “threatening”. What the hell does OJ have to do with this situation?

      • 65 nathkatun7
        July 15, 2013 at 4:19 pm

        Exactly, Prettyfoot! Besides, I will never forget how the O.J. Simpson jury was treated by the media and most people in the white community. One could have also argued that jury also reached a decision based on “reasonable doubt.”

    • 66 amk for obama
      July 15, 2013 at 10:40 am

      It was an illogical asinine law foisted upon by corrupt pols that promotes vigilantism that has no place in a civil society. As they say, law is an ass.

    • 67 utaustinliberal
      July 15, 2013 at 10:50 am

      Actually Japa, you are wrong. The Stand Your Ground law does not “protect the truly innocent” A black woman will now face 20 years in prison for doing almost the same thing Zimmerman did. She fired shots into her ceiling to protect her home from an attacker yet she gets 20 years and Zimmerman walks free? She didn’t injure or murder anyone. There is nothing LEGALLY right about the Stand Your Ground law. Florida changed it’s sensible law to the poisonous and heinous Stand Your Ground law. Under any law in the land, Zimmerman would have be convicted of second degree murder. In any other state in the country, Zimmerman would have faced a 12 member jury rather than a jury of white women who stated that their belief system is such that a white man can murder an unarmed non-aggressive black teenager he was stalking and get off scott free.

      Zimmerman was the aggressor. Zimmerman was told not to get out of the car and pursue Trayvon Benjamin Martin. He defied police orders and hunted Trayvon down because as he said “they always get away with it.” The 911 tapes show that as soon as the gun shot went off the screams stopped. Zimmerman is guilty of murder and now under that sick Florida law, he gets his gun back and has said that he fully intends to use it. How are black people supposed to feel? Do you understand the terror that is in every black parent’s heart that this monster is allowed to roam free on the streets of Sanford? Their children can’t walk to the store to buy skittles and can of iced tea without being brutally gunned down, allowed to languish like an animal in the morgue for days with no law enforcement member giving a damn about them? Zimmerman was in no danger of being “grievously injured” He was physically bigger than Trayvon Martin, the alleged fight began on the concrete and ended on the grass with Trayvon Martin shot to death. Under other sane self-defense laws, Zimmerman could not have claimed self-defense or that he felt threatened when it was clear he moved the fight from the concrete to the grass and within those 4 minutes, the only person who ended up dead was Trayvon Martin.

      Stand Your Ground law does not “protect the truly innocent.” It allows murderers to walk free. Under Stand Your Ground, more black people have been killed in Florida at the hands of white people and then the white perpetrator walks away free because he was “defending” himself. A Black teen in Florida was gunned down when a white man walked up to his car, shot him dead, and claimed that he was defending himself because the teen’s music was too loud and he felt “threatened.”

      If the Stand Your Ground law truly “protected the innocent” every Black person in Florida who used the law as a defense should be able to get off scott free like the white people who do so. They don’t. There is nothing right about this case on any level at all. It all stinks legally and emotionally.

    • 73 utaustinliberal
      July 15, 2013 at 11:12 am

      I suggest you read this article helpfully provided by DesertFlower and realize that the Stand Your Ground law does not “truly protect the innocent.” It only protects you and your son because you’re white. It does not protect African-Americans and Latinos.


      • 74 japa21
        July 15, 2013 at 11:58 am

        Number one, the Stand Your Ground law, which is an abomination, was not involved in the Zimmerman trial. What was used was a standard self-defense law. Secondly, there is little doubt that the system is such that it is applied differently dependent on race or social class, which I have already conceded above.

        I feel like I am being attacked for stating that, although I hate the decision I understand it from a purely legal point of view.

        Two final comments and I will shut up about this:

        I grew up in a country that believed our system of law was absed upon the principle that it is better that 100 guilty people go free than for one guilty party to be convicted. I still believe that is what we should strive for. It is also not what we have, but it is the principle upon which I based my earlier comment.

        Secondly, the reality of the world is that the terms “justice” and “law” are not synonyms and the law is not meant to bring justice.

        With that, I shall not comment on this case any further.

        • 75 ericfive
          July 15, 2013 at 12:25 pm

          Your earlier comment was supportive of the Stand Your Ground law. You based your support on the belief that it would afford your son protection from punishment if he were involved in an altercation that resulted in the other guy’s death. That comment was offensive and indicative of white privilege (people of color view the law from the point of view of the person being shot, while you view it from the point of view of the person doing the shooting). The law’s requirement of “perceived threat” is what many people of color find so problematic because of the fact that AA men are viewed as being a threat just by their very existence.

          • 76 japa21
            July 15, 2013 at 12:54 pm

            Okay, I am going to break my promise. At no time was I ever supportive of the Stand Your Ground law and in fact have called it an abomination. Now I am done.

            • 77 ericfive
              July 15, 2013 at 1:10 pm

              “By law, the prosecution had tro prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trayvon did not initiate the actual physical confrontation and that Zimmerman did not feel that he was in danger of being grievously injured…Because I understand the reason for that law. It protects the truly innocent who have to react to a severe threat. If my son were accosted and in defending himself killed the person who accosted him, I would want that same level of proof required.”

              • 78 japa21
                July 15, 2013 at 1:24 pm

                Your point? That statement has nothing to do with the SYG law. It relates to the legal principles of self defense. And please note carefully that I have several times pointed out the inequalities in terms of how law is applied and that we definitely need to get that issue out in the open and discuss it. I have also stated that if the situations had been reversed, I have no doubt Trayvon would have been found quilty in an instant, which would have also been inappropriate.

                I have actually pretty much agreed with what everybody has said here, but still feel I am being attacked. Once again, law and justice are two totally separate things. Was the verdict a just verdict? Not in my mind. Was it a correct legal verdict? Probably.

  11. 80 Jennifer (from SM)
    July 15, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Just want to express deep gratitude once again for Chipsticks and the Blog Tyrants and this entire community. TOD is so helpful in times like these.

  12. 81 Judith Fardig
    July 15, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Rising…trying to shine…grateful for all of you!

    • 82 CEB
      July 15, 2013 at 10:46 am

      Here are some words from Maya Angelou’s poem, “Still I Rise,” that may help:

      You may trod me in the very dirt/But still, like dust, I’ll rise.

      Did you want to see me broken?
      Bowed head and lowered eyes?
      Shoulders falling down like teardrops.
      Weakened by my soulful cries.

      You may shoot me with your words,
      You may cut me with your eyes,
      You may kill me with your hatefulness,
      But still, like air, I’ll rise.

      Out of the huts of history’s shame
      I rise.

      Love and hugs to all. We, as a nation, will rise triumphant.

  13. 83 LDS
    July 15, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Good morning everyone!
    It ‘s a new day.
    First, I want to thank everyone here for helping me to stay focus. I still have my faith, peace, love, respect and patience. Thank you all for the music, words of encouragement and just being here. I honestly can say Trayvon’s parents gave me strength. So many emotions, so much pain. I even got courage from the parents of the young boys in the Central Park fiasco. They are still waiting to be compensated. The DA who refuse to believe the truth is a pitiful soul. As a parent, I lean on their strength to get me to the next day.

    Ms. Chips, words cannot express how grateful I am for you. I don’t know what we would do without this blog.
    Thank you for taking on such a tremendous task with such humility and grace is nothing short of a miracle.
    Just as the walls of Jericho and Berlin fell down, so must the wall of racism …..one pebble, stone at a time.
    If I do not live to see it, I have hope for my children and other children here and all over the world. It is pure evil.
    As human beings, we are better than that.

  14. July 15, 2013 at 10:31 am

  15. 85 vcprezofan2
    July 15, 2013 at 10:40 am

    It’s Morning, is it? Should I preface that with ‘Good’?
    I probably should, as a prayer.

    “Good Morning, TODobots, visitors, everyone!” (Good Afternoon/Evening to those whose day has already progressed beyond noon!)

  16. July 15, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Morning TOD’ers and Lurkers. I have not listened to news or pundit shows this weekend and probably will only listen to Randi Rhodes this afternoon and just stay away from the teevee and cable. When I was texted the news of GZ’s acquittal I was not surprised but very depressed. I am in my late 50’s and was raised in California and all my family lives in California. I was young when JFK was killed but I knew that his death was a blow to minorities and my parents future in being treated equally in America. I was a pre-teen when RFK decided to run and MLK was fighting for the rights of all American’s to vote and enjoy the American dream. Their deaths was so devastating to Americans and especially AA’s and minorities. I was a direct beneficiary of affirmative action being the first in my family to graduate college. I registered to vote the minute I turned 18yrs old and Jimmy Carter was the first president I voted for and have never missed an election no matter how small. I watched the Rodney King and OJ trials and saw that justice is for those that have money and the best defense team money can buy. In the past twenty years I have witnessed the systematic reversal of years of progress made by AA’s through the ballot box and how the media and the GOP have lead the way on these reversals. My first response to reading the verdict was to sell everything I own and move to another country. IAfter thinking about it and reading everyone’s response here and everyone’s post I felt that was a cowardly reaction. I need to stay and fight the apathy that has allowed so many to become complacent. I will dedicate my remaining time on this earth to fight to wake people up about what the GOP and their evil organizations have done and want to do.

    Thank you Chips, LL, and all the contributors for having a place for all of us to feel empowered, a place to rant, relief, and hope. Also, I am glad that President Obama is in the WH and is our commander/consoler in chief.

    P.S. Lynn, of all the TOD posters I related to you. I am glad you came here to vent and express how you dealt with the news yesterday. I wished that you could go out and do a primal scream and have a long cry to help release the rage you felt. Someone posted a picture of an AA women screaming into her hands. That’s exactly how I felt yesterday.

    • 91 CEB
      July 15, 2013 at 10:56 am

      Your life story sounds like mine except that I have always live in Florida.

    • 93 Eveingeorgia
      July 15, 2013 at 11:00 am


      Your thoughts an emotions resonate with me. I have pondered moving, but realized I have no place to go that is going to be better for me and my family.
      I’m sixty-six years old, and I have marched during the Civil Rights movement. My father was an active minister, community organizer and Civil Rights worker.
      I have seen the KKK in action, and have felt the sting, humiliation and rejection caused by rabid racism.

      I weep when I think of Trayvon lying dead for no reason, other than the clothes he wore and the color of his skin. I week because his name could have been Paul, Chris, Korey, my sons and grandsons. What in the world are we supposed to say to our men and boys?

      I’ll try to spend the rest of my days doing as you say.

      Oh and TOD, if you can stand the despair, Charles Pierce has an amazing, though dark, piece. It’s worth reading.

      You can stand your ground if you’re white, and you can use a gun to do it. But if you stand your ground with your fists and you’re black, you’re dead.

      In the state of Florida, the season on African-Americans now runs year round. Come one, come all. And bring a handgun. The legislators are fine with this blood on their hands. The governor, too. One man accosted another and when it became a fist fight, one man — and one man only — had a firearm. The rest is racial rationalization and dishonorable commentary.

      If I were a person of color in Florida, I would pick up a brick and start walking toward that courthouse in Sanford. Those that do not, those that hold the pain and betrayal inside and somehow manage to resist violence — these citizens are testament to a stoic tolerance that is more than the rest of us deserve. I confess, their patience and patriotism is well beyond my own.

      Behold, the lewd, pornographic embrace of two great American pathologies: Race and guns, both of which have conspired not only to take the life of a teenager, but to make that killing entirely permissible. I can’t look an African-American parent in the eye for thinking about what they must tell their sons about what can happen to them on the streets of their country. Tonight, anyone who truly understands what justice is and what it requires of a society is ashamed to call himself

    • 94 Lynn
      July 15, 2013 at 11:35 am

      I could just hug you to pieces, cat!!! I will save your calming words to keep the anger monster at bay!

  17. 95 Jovie
    July 15, 2013 at 10:43 am

    I got home and put in cspan and here is Harry talking about the filibuster live!

  18. 96 Jovie
    July 15, 2013 at 10:46 am

    That would be lovely!

    • 97 Nena20409
      July 15, 2013 at 10:53 am

      There was a Mulling of that on Friday…..too.

      They are playing games. If McAuliff starts to lead astronomically, then the TBGOPers would demand the resignation of Bob McDonnell.

  19. July 15, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Harry Reid is laying out a great argument for changing the Senate rules.

  20. 99 utaustinliberal
    July 15, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Chips, this is a beautiful Rise and Shine tribute to Trayvon Benjamin Martin; full of truth. Thank you.

  21. 101 anniebella
    July 15, 2013 at 10:53 am

    I’m listening to Sen. Harry Reid.

  22. 102 Nena20409
    July 15, 2013 at 10:55 am

    The MHP video was a heartbroken filled segment. I am still crying.

  23. July 15, 2013 at 10:58 am

    THIS (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/07/15/trayvon-martin-and-the-stolen-youth-of-black-children/):

    “What this means is that black adolescents cannot afford to be normal American teenagers. They cannot experiment with pot. They cannot fight in any way ever, even if it means protecting themselves from a stranger. They cannot take sophomoric pictures with middle fingers, bare chests or in silly gear. They can’t have improper conversations on social media. They can’t wear anything society views as menacing. And growing up, they can never ever make bad choices or mistakes — the types that teach life lessons, foster humility and build character.”

    Read the whole thing – you’ll agree.

  24. 104 donna dem 4 obama
    July 15, 2013 at 11:00 am

  25. 107 Gazelle
    July 15, 2013 at 11:05 am

    A preview! Thursday, July 18 is Nelson Mandela Day, his 95th birthday. Here’s what you could do, very uplifting:


    Link to website: http://www.mandeladay.com/


  26. July 15, 2013 at 11:06 am

    • 109 amk for obama
      July 15, 2013 at 11:14 am

      He is gonna wimp out.

      • 110 vcprezofan2
        July 15, 2013 at 12:14 pm

        Hey you, no negative vibes allowed! O ye of little faith!

        Evening to you, sir! 😉

        • 111 amk for obama
          July 15, 2013 at 12:22 pm

          GAN to you, Madam. How are things ?

          As for reed, see his “bold’ proposal below.

          • 112 vcprezofan2
            July 15, 2013 at 12:31 pm

            Things are meandering along.

            I confess, I don’t want to follow Reid’s bold proposal too closely (haven’t even looked at it and won’t). I took a real heart hit last time when he didn’t follow through, so now as I wait to see what he does I’m keeping only half an ear/eye on him. I figure I’ll deal with the verdict better once it’s on the table.

      • 113 nathkatun7
        July 15, 2013 at 4:44 pm

        I know I am always alone hear on this filibuster issue, but having lived long enough, I know there will come a time when Democrats are in a minority and the filibuster would be the only mechanism to stop obnoxious laws. Like everyone I think the only way to allow the President’s nominees to be confirmed is do away with a filibuster, because the Republicans have grossly abused it. At the same time, it’s not unreasonable to caution about throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Lastly, I resent people who are always demonizing Harry Reid without taking into consideration that his Democratic caucus is divided on getting rid of the Filibuster. Senators are not a bunch of sheep that can be easily led by a strong man they elected Majority Leader.

  27. 115 Ladyhawke
    July 15, 2013 at 11:11 am

    ===================JOY REID ON FREEDOM & FEAR==========================

    Joy Reid was the guest host for The ED Show on Sunday, July 14, 2013. In her closing commentary, Joy shares her thoughts on FREEDOM and FEAR in light of the verdict in the George Zimmerman trial. This segment is beyond brilliant because it captures the cold hard truth in about three minutes. Please share far and wide.



    • 116 57andfemale
      July 15, 2013 at 11:18 am

      Hey, is something wrong with Ed Schultz? There’s always a guest host on the radio lately, and now just a month into his new show, he has a guest host? Hey, great for us that it’s Joy Reid. But I wondered if I’d missed something.

    • 117 desertflower
      July 15, 2013 at 11:22 am

      Excellent, Ladyhawke. A Must See

    • 119 nathkatun7
      July 15, 2013 at 4:50 pm

      That was absolutely brilliant! Thanks, Ladyhawke for sharing it. I’ve been boycotting t.v., but I think if Joy Reid gets her own show I may break my boycott.

  28. 120 utaustinliberal
    July 15, 2013 at 11:14 am

  29. 121 dotster3
    July 15, 2013 at 11:15 am

    What??? Your iphone can kill you?

  30. 123 Nena20409
    July 15, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Wow, Gallup settled for how much? Gallup is a mega Uber entity.

    The Gallup Organization has settled with the United States for $10.5 million amid allegations it inflated its federal contract prices and improperly negotiated a FEMA subcontract, the Justice Department announced Monday.

  31. 124 MightyPamela
    July 15, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Morning everyone. Hugs all around ~ there is still great sadness, but the demonstrations of peaceful solidarity give much to Hope for. Back later today, after PT. God Bless you all, and thank you very much.

    • 125 57andfemale
      July 15, 2013 at 11:30 am

      We have a remedy – it’s the ballot box. We have these laws, these administrations and crooked justic systems because Democrats stopped voting in sufficient numbers over the last 20 years.

      It can all be reversed as long as we let nothing keep us from voting and EVERYONE votes. We are getting the country we deserve, unless we get back to 80%+ voter participation. In Every. Single. Election. What the Zimmerman verdict has shown us is that every local election matters to the fabric of America.

      The Dem’s coasted for years, believing that certain lines would never be crossed. The Bush years weren’t proof enough. The obstruction against PBO wasn/t enough in 2010 or even 2012 to stop RWNJ’s from taking over states and municipalities.

      The lines are now obliterated. The discourse doesn’t even make sense anymore – it is one wild-eyed paranoid fantasy after another. There are no facts or truths or standards of decency.

      Protests didn’t stop TX from stripping women of their rights. Better legislators are the only answer.

      • 126 Claire
        July 15, 2013 at 12:06 pm

        I’m with you…our only power is at the ballot box.

        MIDTERM elections MATTER!

        VOTE for TRAYVON!

        If you can register for Twitter, you can register to VOTE.

        Get whatever kind of photo ID or whatever it takes to vote in your state, don’t let them stop you. Don’t let them take another life.

        VOTING is a matter of LIFE or DEATH.

        • 127 57andfemale
          July 15, 2013 at 12:13 pm

  32. 128 JER
    July 15, 2013 at 11:27 am

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  35. 135 forus50
    July 15, 2013 at 11:49 am

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  37. 139 desertflower
    July 15, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Smartypants. http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2013/07/vicious-cycle.html

    David Simon on the Zimmerman verdict:
    Behold, the lewd, pornographic embrace of two great American pathologies: Race and guns, both of which have conspired not only to take the life of a teenager, but to make that killing entirely permissible. I can’t look an African-American parent in the eye for thinking about what they must tell their sons about what can happen to them on the streets of their country. Tonight, anyone who truly understands what justice is and what it requires of a society is ashamed to call himself an American.

  38. 140 desertflower
    July 15, 2013 at 12:06 pm


    The following graphics show the average ideology of the Republican and Democratic parties in Congress since World War II. In recent years, the Republican party has become far more conservative than the Democratic party has become liberal. The average ideology of the House has likewise become more conservative; this shift began during the 104th Congress.


    • 141 57andfemale
      July 15, 2013 at 12:09 pm

      It’s because Dem’s stopped voting and took their successes for granted. It’s despicable. We get the country we deserve depending on whether we vote or don’t vote.

      Shame on Dem’s. EVERY election matters and turnout on local elections is appalling, ceding the decision making of everything we hold dear to a virulent minority. It’s disgusting.

      • 142 desertflower
        July 15, 2013 at 12:13 pm

        Absolutely…which was part of what a said yesterday….”we got complacent and didn’t tend the garden”….

        • 143 57andfemale
          July 15, 2013 at 12:18 pm

          That was a powerful metaphor, df.

          I couldn’t read too much yesterday. I really could not believe this verdict. I’d had some other bad news over the weekend and I had the wind kicked out of me. Back on the horse, back to ‘tending the garden’. These assaults of everything decent and true American values is just horrific.

          • 144 desertflower
            July 15, 2013 at 12:27 pm

            Take heart:) The good news is, for the first time in a long time, I think people are paying attention. Now is the time to effect the change we seek.

      • 145 Claire
        July 15, 2013 at 12:19 pm

        I just had this debate with my secretary. She thinks that marching is what it will take. I told her that VOTING is what it will take. The people in control don’t care about marches. The only thing they care about is power. If you control the power then you make the decisions. The people in NC can march until they are blue in the face, they did not come out and vote in the midterm elections… and now they are suffering. If people don’t vote in 2014, it will get worse. The repubs have gerrymandered districts, at the very least Democrats need to try to grab some governorships.

        • 146 desertflower
          July 15, 2013 at 12:37 pm

          Marches work to engage the people and get them together…but the march is useless unless you use that to its full potential. That is, to speak to the masses about the need to register to vote, ALLOW them to register to vote, right then and there….and connect the dots for them to so many other forms of oppression and injustice that is happening in this country right now….paint the picture, in all it’s horrible, terrifying glory…..make the lightbulb moment happen in the minds and hearts of all that have gathered there for a common and righteous cause! Marching alone is not near enough….the POWER of the march comes from enabling those gathered to actually empower them to change the system. THAT is done by voting. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. WITHOUT.FAIL. They should leave a march understanding to their very core, that they have to vote and work to preserve our gains, and make more gains….and that their very lives depend on them getting involved and voting every time. It is their voice, and it should never be given to those that would do them harm, or make their voice not be heard.

        • 147 57andfemale
          July 15, 2013 at 12:40 pm

          This is ancient thinking. Demonstrations show solidarity on an issue but it’s all about VOTING. If activism in the streets is not transferred to the ballot box, then NOTHING changes.

        • July 15, 2013 at 1:20 pm

          Marching is an organizing tool…a very potent tool at that…just look at all the solidarity marches that took place re: the Zimmerman verdict…it not all we need to do…but do not underestimate the power of a March…

        • 149 Anna Luc
          July 15, 2013 at 2:14 pm

          Claire, with all due respect, without the marches, sit-ins and freedom rides that pricked the conscience of the nation, neither the Civil Rights Act nor the Voting Rights Act would have happened. Without those public acts we would not be fighting against voter suppression today. The republicans we are dealing with today could not possibly be more recalcitrant than George Wallace in the school house door or Sherif Bull Connor. This is not an either-or choice. It takes marching and voting plus a range of participation in civic life to bring about change. My first rule of organizing: Never discourage or put down anyone’s chosen form of participation (uh, unless it is violent). If they are doing SOMETHING they deserve strokes. And I am far more likely to listen favorable to someone who appreciates the fact that I am putting my body on the line, then someone who dismisses my commitment.

          Thank you Chips for providing a forum for these discussions!

          • 150 Claire
            July 15, 2013 at 2:22 pm

            Today it is about voting. Lots of people march… it doesn’t transfer to the ballot box…. especially during midterm elections. The proof is in the results. Democrats fail to show up in midterms. Repubs control the house.

  39. 151 amk for obama
    July 15, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    So, any earth shattering news of harry’s filibuster yet ?

    The weak sauce via bj

    The scope of the Democratic plan is apparently quite narrow: “We’re not touching judges. This is not judges. This is not legislation. This is allowing the people of America to have a president who can have his team … in place,” Reid said.

    In other words, if the minority wants to derail legislation by requiring 60-vote supermajorities, that will still be allowed. If the minority wants to derail judicial nominees through filibusters, that would be permissible, too. All the “nuclear option” would do, at least in this case, is stop a specific kind of obstructionism: the minority wouldn’t be allowed to prevent the Senate from voting on executive-branch nominees. That’s it.

    way to show bones dems.

  40. 152 desertflower
    July 15, 2013 at 12:08 pm


    Come and Take It uterus tees to support Texas Planned Parenthood

  41. 154 utaustinliberal
    July 15, 2013 at 12:10 pm

  42. 155 57andfemale
    July 15, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    Just heard a news report: the DoD stands little chance of having a case against Zimmerman. The altercation has to occur on a city street, and the gated community may not be applicable to the law.

    • 156 Bill R.
      July 15, 2013 at 12:33 pm

      I read such a report. It may be that any chance for a semblance of accountability may come from a wrongful death civil suit by the family. But maybe the DOJ can come up with an legal basis to proceed.

      • 157 nathkatun7
        July 15, 2013 at 5:09 pm

        I really don’t see any way the DOJ can get involved. As I wrote the other day, the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause and most Civil Rights statutes deal with government sanctioned discrimination. Of course the DOJ can bring suit under the hate crimes law but that would be impossible to prove. I think the only option left to Trayvon’s family is, as you said the “wrongful death civil suit.” The question is: Can they find a jury to rule in their favor?

  43. 158 desertflower
    July 15, 2013 at 12:11 pm


    From his seat in the U.S. Congress, Michigan Congressman John Dingell, the longest-serving congressperson in the nation’s history, has served with 11 different presidents starting with Ike in 1955 to the current occupant.

    Suffice it to say, he’s witnessed a lot.

    And in one sentence he captures the mood in the Congress, where in-fighting and back-stabbing have become an art form.

    “It’s the worse I’ve ever seen,” he observes regarding the dysfunctional nature of the beast and the public’s disdain for all things political in that institution.

    It was not always thus, Mr. Dingell reflects. There was a time when the POTUS said, “I will lead” and most of the country dutifully said, “We will follow.”

    Those days are so long gone; very few folks are still alive to talk about that “golden era” as the Dearborn lawmaker puts it.

  44. 159 amk for obama
    July 15, 2013 at 12:14 pm

  45. July 15, 2013 at 12:26 pm


    • 161 Bill
      July 15, 2013 at 12:36 pm

      Seriously, who would buy such a book? If we ever find out who the jurors are it will likely make the ordeal even more disgusting.

    • 164 Linda
      July 15, 2013 at 12:40 pm

      Juror B-37, who described the protests in Sanford as “riots” and had a concealed weapons permit.


      • 165 anniebella
        July 15, 2013 at 12:48 pm

        Book deal. Boy that didn’t take long did it. She can take her book and shove it up here racists white ass. Please excuse my language. Please.

      • 170 desertflower
        July 15, 2013 at 12:49 pm

        Is she one of the 2 jurors that was unemployed? This whole thing is disgusting to me. You don’t try and make money off a child’s murder!

        • July 15, 2013 at 12:51 pm

          It really is stomach-churning DF, and no doubt they’ll all get book deals. I despair.

          • 172 desertflower
            July 15, 2013 at 12:56 pm

            I believe that as America finds this out….they will be as peeved as we are. Like we always said: Nothing about this case will end well. This will make people even MORE resolved to do something.

      • 173 jacquelineoboomer
        July 15, 2013 at 1:00 pm

        Yeah, coupla days after the verdict, at least one juror has a literary agent. Guess what she was really thinking about during the trial and jury deliberations? This is what selling your soul looks like.

    • 174 utaustinliberal
      July 15, 2013 at 12:46 pm

      This is sickening. This is so wrong. She is going to profit from a child’s murder. This is unfair.

    • 175 desertflower
      July 15, 2013 at 12:47 pm

      This PISSES ME OFF! People should do their civic duty BECAUSE it;s their civic duty as a citizen…not for a damn book deal! For the love of money….

    • 176 4morefor44
      July 15, 2013 at 1:00 pm

      WTF?!? wasn’t the verdict read saturday night? now it’s first thing monday morning and this?!? was this juror on the phone saturday night calling up some book companies? a deal like that doesn’t just happen suddenly without knowing who to contact at all the various companies. was she planning this while the trial was still going on? this seems really fishy. a lot of questions should be answered here. i wonder if there’s a possibility for another trial if it’s shown that a juror was planning this in advance?

      • July 15, 2013 at 1:06 pm

        Definitely planned in advance, by the looks of it, but I wonder if there are even any laws against it? It always makes me ill when I see a juror in any case doing a book, it’s astonishing that it’s allowed.

    • July 15, 2013 at 1:04 pm

      Another completely despicable thing to come out of this trial. What kind of people are these?

  46. 179 Don
    July 15, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Do these stupid ass journalist know that the President can not discuss the Trayvon Martin case because the DOJ is actively involved in? What the fuck is April Ryan’s problem, she knows goddamn well the President’s thoughts are when it comes to gun violence as it specifically relates to the African American.

  47. 181 Jovie
    July 15, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    McConnell predicts ObamaCare will be ‘premier issue’ in 2014 elections
    By Ramsey Cox
    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) predicted Sunday that ObamaCare would be a “premier issues” during the 2014 mid-term elections.
    “This is a big controversial issue. It’s not going away,” McConnell said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “It’s in all likelihood going to be the premier issue in the 2014 election.”


    • 185 57andfemale
      July 15, 2013 at 12:47 pm

      these laws are destroying America.

      Here’s a quote from the above piece:

      I don’t think the import of this is being appreciated. Effectively, I can bait you into a fight and if I start losing I can can legally kill you, provided I “believe” myself to be subject to “great bodily harm.” It is then the state’s job to prove — beyond a reasonable doubt — that I either did not actually fear for my life, or my fear was unreasonable. In the case of George Zimmerman, even if the state proved that he baited an encounter (and I am not sure they did) they still must prove that he had no reasonable justification to fear for his life. You see very similar language in the actual instructions given to the jury:

      In deciding whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you must judge him by the circumstances by which he was surrounded at the time the force was used. The danger facing George Zimmerman need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force. Based upon appearances, George Zimmerman must have actually believed that the danger was real.

      • 186 57andfemale
        July 15, 2013 at 12:51 pm

        A continuation of the above from the jury instructions:

        “If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”

        No wonder the verdict was what it was: these laws are insane and remove any right of the other person to feel he has rights to walk the streets unasailed.

        • 187 vcprezofan2
          July 15, 2013 at 2:39 pm

          This fits the deceased so much more than it does Zimmerman… a miscarriage of justice that the jurors didn’t realize that.

          “If TRAYVON MARTIN was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”

          • 188 57andfemale
            July 15, 2013 at 2:57 pm

            I’m not prone to conspiracy theories, but I’m beginning to think this whole thing was a set-up. I remember when the initial charges were filed I thought, “They must have a lot of evidence to support 2nd degree murder.” And then as discovery unfolded, there wasn’t all that much.

            No prosecution misses key points to, well, prosecute the accused unless he wants to lose the case. No blood spatter evidence of the sidewalk? Seriously?

            Hey, I have not followed every detail of this case but something is fishy.

            There was a lengthy discussion of Coates’ article that says a lot of the fault was with the judge’s interpretation of the law, as presented in the jury instructions. CW is now that the jury had no choice but to acquit based on the LAW, when it might more have been the pro-accused interpretation of the law by the prosecution and the judge. dKos has some interesting posts on this, but I won’t link there.

            Your point is well taken. What are the rights of the victim? Hey, I’m a weak little woman but I am capable of screaming obscenities at a driver who cuts me off. Does he get off scott free if he pulls a gun from the glove compartment and shoots me because I called him names and threatened to kick his ass? How in God’s name can the CIRCUMSTANCES leading to the altercation NOT be part of the judgment?

      • 189 0388jojothecat
        July 15, 2013 at 12:58 pm

        If you feel your are in “great bodily harm” why did you confront the person in the first place? How can someone feel “IGNH” when you are the only one with a gun? and why isn’t the other person due the same justification to use deadly force? It seems to me that this law says whomever lives wins. If you victim lives to give his/her side of the story you may when or lose depending upon what color you are.

        • 190 57andfemale
          July 15, 2013 at 1:55 pm

          The point of these laws is to make sure the law protects the hothead with the gun. They are truly unraveling the fabric of justice in America. The burden to convict is impossible under these statutes.

      • 191 desertflower
        July 15, 2013 at 12:59 pm

        Well…I don’t know why that was! He was in a car and had a gun. How was he “terrified” for his life????? Afraid Trayvon would beat him over the head with iced tea and make him choke on Skiddles???

        • 192 57andfemale
          July 15, 2013 at 1:57 pm

          The way the law (or at least the jury instructions) reads is that it doesn’t matter if you caused the altercation. If you then fear for your life and the other guy is, well, DEAD, you don’t have to prove anything else but that. It is unbelievable.

          And now that guns are virtually legal for anybody and everybody, you can’t even get someone on a weapons charge. That used to be Justice’s way around some of these laws.

          The rights of everyone else are subservient to the ‘belief’ of the nut with the gun. This is astounding.

    • 193 57andfemale
      July 15, 2013 at 1:01 pm

      I CANNOT believe that the Atlantic posted that debunked photo with what otherwise is an excellent article. WTF, Atlantic!

  48. 194 Jovie
    July 15, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    McConnell is talking now, he is a vile POS!

  49. 195 57andfemale
    July 15, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Can we have a little levity:

  50. 196 Jovie
    July 15, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Harry is telling Mcconell to basically stuck It up your ass.
    He’s sick of it.
    The republicans love this, meanwhile nothing is getting done and they play the victim?

  51. 197 Jovie
    July 15, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    McConell is just trying to antagonize Reid, pushing his buttons.
    Are you watching?

  52. 199 carolyn
    July 15, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    I love the turtle’s predictions. Whatever he predicts, the opposite happens. Remember……we’re going to make Obama a one term president? How’d that work out for him?
    I think Bob is right on about his saying the REelection of President Obama triggered so much stuff. We know about the Jan 20, 2009 insurrection and what it led to, but the Republican party and its backers really believed they were going to win the presidency last November. Romney already had a shadow government in place ready to take over the Thursday after the election. They thought they had done enough damage to win it. Then, one term would have made President Obama an anomaly, little more than a footnote in history, which they could then begin to erase from the record. That didn’t happen, and it has sent them into utter hysteria and desperation. I keep getting the picture of a cornered animal, knowing its death is coming, and how it fights back. This is how I see the Republicans.

    • 200 yesteryum
      July 15, 2013 at 1:06 pm

      I agree with the image of the cornered animal, carolyn. There is such desperation in the measures they have or are trying to enact that I feel wary but hopeful that it means they are dinosaurs in the last throws of agony and defeat.

    • 201 Anna
      July 15, 2013 at 1:20 pm

      How does it feel gun loving, right wing, bought and paid for nutjobs to be the new minority. From the looks of things you are way out numbered. Because of President Obama we now have a taste of how things should be.

    • 202 arkluvspbo
      July 15, 2013 at 1:23 pm

      The difference is a cornered animal has honorable intentions — to survive. Turtleman just wants power and he can’t have it anymore. He’s just the MINORITY leader — he’s not even majority!

  53. 203 Jovie
    July 15, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Mcconell is mad that the NLRB nominees are not republican.
    Why would this President nominate Republicans?
    A battle of attrition… Give us what we want or we won’t allow you to govern and then we will blame you!

  54. July 15, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    I have just now been able to catch up on the previous blogs. I want to thank everyone for their insights and comments, especially LL, UT, Nath DF and of course Chips. I grew up in the 60’s–high school and college and saw all the protests, etc. I thought rights were won and issues were settled. And now from civil rights to women’s rights we are going backwards. It’s all very disheartening. It used to be that elected officials cared what their constituents thought. But now they only care about the narrow group that gives them money to stay in power. I am not going to give up the fight, but sometimes it is very tempting to crawl into a hole.

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