133 Responses to “Truth”

  1. July 13, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Good Evening Chipsticks, TODers…Everyone!

  2. 7 arkluvspbo
    July 13, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Ok…I’m trying for numero uno! 🙂 We’ll see ..

  3. 8 arkluvspbo
    July 13, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Congrats swbluega! I almost made it 🙂

  4. July 13, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    The truth of matter is that there will be more Zimmermans however…if he is convicted…this Zimmerman will be in jail

  5. 17 MightyPamela
    July 13, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    http://bit.ly/18dpKfG if this link works, you can see live streaming of the bears at work catching salmon in Katmai Nat’l Park (it worked before I brought it here, so fingers crossed, trying not to cry, I love bears so much!)

    • 18 Layla
      July 13, 2013 at 7:10 pm

      Very cool MP! The one on the left keeps yawning!!!

      • 19 MightyPamela
        July 13, 2013 at 7:18 pm

        Hoping a salmon will jump into its mouth!! I really get a kick out of the seagulls, one tried to land on a bear, UhUh, not a chance!! Bears at work!! Very serious business… summer does not last long up there….. 😉

    • 20 99ts
      July 13, 2013 at 7:39 pm

      Having shown my man your link – we will both be watching for hours!

      • 21 MightyPamela
        July 13, 2013 at 9:10 pm

        I wish I had the data package that would allow me to! I would stay here until the Equinox!!

        • 22 99ts
          July 13, 2013 at 9:16 pm

          They do seem to just “hang around” with the mouth open – and suddenly a salmon. Great web cams

  6. 23 vitaminlover
    July 13, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    Quite frankly I think that people are not going to take mess off of Zimmerman or his ilk anymore. In general, people are standing up more against such mess. Someone will take him out. I know that sounds mean but many people have has enough of this form of bullying and intimidation. There is much less tolerance and people just don’t play that. Enough is enough. Period.

  7. 32 Bill R.
    July 13, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    Copied from the written instruction from the judge to the jury on Manslaughter charge:

    To prove the crime of Manslaughter, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
    1. Trayvon Martin is dead.
    2. George Zimmerman intentionally committed an act or acts that caused the death of Trayvon Martin.
    George Zimmerman cannot be guilty of manslaughter by committing a merely negligent act or if the killing was either justifiable or excusable homicide:
    Each of us has a duty to act reasonably toward others. If there is a violation of that duty, without any conscious intention to harm, that violation is negligence.

    The killing of a human being is justifiable homicide and lawful if necessarily done while resisting an attempt to murder or commit a felony upon George Zimmerman, or to commit a felony in any dwelling house in which George Zimmerman was at the time of the killing.
    The killing of a human being is excusable, and therefore lawful, under any one of the following three circumstances:
    1. When the killing is committed by accident and misfortune in doing any lawful act by lawful means with usual ordinary caution and without any unlawful intent, or
    2. When the killing occurs by accident and misfortune in the heat of passion, upon any sudden and sufficient provocation, or
    3. When the killing is committed by accident and misfortune resulting from a sudden combat, if a dangerous weapon is not used and the killing is not done in a cruel or unusual manner.

    **In order to convict of manslaughter by act, it is not necessary for the State to prove that George Zimmerman had an intent to cause death, only an intent to commit an act that was not merely negligent, justified, or excusable and which caused death.
    If you find George Zimmerman committed Manslaughter, and you also find beyond a reasonable doubt that during the commission of the Manslaughter, George Zimmerman carried, displayed, used, threatened to use, or attempted to use a firearm, you should check the appropriate box on the verdict form which I will discuss with you later in these instructions.
    The definition of a Afirearm@ has been previously provided in these instructions.**

    • 33 99ts
      July 13, 2013 at 7:44 pm

      Thanks Bill – I’m glad the jury are studying the law and the evidence, rather than rushing to go home.

  8. 34 jacquelineoboomer
    July 13, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Zimmerman’s hateful friend coming up on HLN, and Lisa Bloom on MSNBC (no idea where her head has been about this case) – so I can’t un-mute to hear any dialogue from Joy Reid, on the latter network. I’ll spend my time praying that this jury doesn’t mess it up.

    • 35 Bill
      July 13, 2013 at 7:25 pm

      Until I looked at Lisa Bloom’s Wikipedia entry a moment ago I did not know her mother is Gloria Allred.

      • 36 Mellesia Barnett
        July 13, 2013 at 7:31 pm

        On her Twitter profile there are pics of mother and daughter, they have also appeared together on numerous television interviews that I can recall

      • 37 jacquelineoboomer
        July 13, 2013 at 7:43 pm

        Lisa’s bloomed out in the wrong direction on this trial lately, from my POV, but I usually agree with Gloria Allred (who normally, also my view, works for the underdog).

      • 38 arapaho415
        July 13, 2013 at 8:43 pm

        She’s mentioned it on TV.

        It may have been Reliable Sources with Howard Kurtz or Morning Joe or Chris Matthews.

        She annoys me, and I turn off the set or mute when she’s on.

    • 39 Mellesia Barnett
      July 13, 2013 at 7:25 pm

      Earlier Miss Bloom said that there was evidence for 2nd degree but intent was the issue that was difficult to prove in the scenario.

      • 40 jacquelineoboomer
        July 13, 2013 at 7:43 pm

        She’s lost credibility on this case with me.

        • 41 anniebella
          July 13, 2013 at 8:30 pm

          I am trying to stay away from all the talk about the trial. And I knew who Lisa Bloom’s mother was, and I’m no fan of hers or her mother.

          • 42 anniebella
            July 13, 2013 at 8:32 pm

            I just hope there is no trouble if they let him off. I rather everyone get prepare to get out and vote, vote, vote.

        • 43 COS
          July 13, 2013 at 8:54 pm

          Wow, when I look at Lisa Bloom, she does look like Gloria Allred. Most of the other attorneys on panels which she appears, usually disagree with her and give better answers. Yet, I see that MSNBC is giving her more air time, e.g. playing co-host to Craig Melvin yesterday.

    • 45 arapaho415
      July 13, 2013 at 7:40 pm

      We’ll see what the Great Falls Trib has to say tomorrow.

      As for “rust under the hood,” that’s coming from a loathsome GOP operative.

      Its like wondering what Charles Colson or Lee Atwater would say about a nationally known and appealing Dem in the 1970s and 1980s.

    • 46 Bill
      July 13, 2013 at 7:43 pm

      This news is a let down.

  9. July 13, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    For a long time, I was not confident in the Zimmerman trial. I was convinced they would find him not guilty. I’ve changed. I expect no worse than manslaughter charges. Today’s question affirms this for me. I will be surprised if he walks (though, not horribly shocked – just surprised).

  10. 49 yardarm756
    July 13, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    If Zimmerman gets a pass it will be open season on blacks. 😦 I might even cancel my vacay to WI.

    • 50 99ts
      July 13, 2013 at 7:49 pm

      Sometimes it seems like that is here already yardarm! Meanwhile – interesting that the media was predicting such violence if GZ was acquitted – from what I am reading the violence could well come from the “friends of Zimmerman” if he is found guilty. And still they say this is not about race – what stone are they hiding under.

      • 51 yardarm756
        July 13, 2013 at 8:59 pm

        There are no stones. They are all out in the open screaming about their 2nd amendment rights.

    • 52 Bill
      July 13, 2013 at 7:55 pm

      Yardarm, WI could not be as bad as central FL. Except for a few pockets central FL is as unattractive as any place in the country.

    • 54 jacquelineoboomer
      July 13, 2013 at 7:59 pm

      That’s a heartbreaking statement to read. Equally heartbreaking, because my eyes are equally wide open, is that the night Zimmerman killed Trayvon, the now-fired Sanford Police Chief Lee wasn’t even going to press charges, until the national outcry.

      Let’s all jointly send up good thoughts and prayers that there’s a guilty verdict.

    • 56 dotster3
      July 13, 2013 at 8:02 pm

      I think you’ll be okay in Wi.——just don’t wear a Bears shirt.

    • 58 Jewelz
      July 13, 2013 at 8:09 pm

      Please don’t think like that. I think in the end the hearts and minds of humans with goodness in the soul will eventually overtake evil. I was one of the few to first believed that Zimmerman would be be acquitted, but now I am not so sure anymore. Regardless of the outcome, I’ve been impressed by how serious the jury are taking this case by meticulously going through all of the evidence.

      • 59 yardarm756
        July 13, 2013 at 9:09 pm

        I wish I shared your optimism. I can’t because I’ve been thru a lot and, as I’ve said before, Emmitt Till was a friend of mine.

  11. 60 arapaho415
    July 13, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    Totally off-topic here, but just how *great* is JK Rowling?

    Youngsters these days toss off genius these days on everything short of a hangnail, but Rowling is the real deal.

    And the GOP would have denied her and her baby food stamps when she hit a rough patch, had she been an American. Shameful.

    • 61 99ts
      July 13, 2013 at 7:51 pm

      And she pays high taxes – is happy to do so – and supports her country rather than running to where there are no taxes.

      • 62 MightyPamela
        July 13, 2013 at 9:15 pm

        as well as taking herself off the list of planetary billionaires, by giving away so much $$$, which at least she has rightly earned, and changed the way people see things at the same time!! She is brilliant! Was a personal friend of the lady I cared for over the years….

  12. 63 globalcitizenlinda
    July 13, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Hard as it is, I am preparing myself for all possible verdicts – remember that juries have a way to surprise

    • 65 99ts
      July 13, 2013 at 9:21 pm

      The crazy woman who thinks ALL women get to choose when to be pregnant (I have SO MANY friends that had their pregnancies decided by the Catholic Church – I’ll never forget one who cried for an hour at my kitchen table) – spent forever crying on twitter cause folks were mean to her – AND

      She has now come up with a tweet that Zimmerman can’t be convicted! Talk about showing everything bad about yourself in one day!

    • 66 COS
      July 13, 2013 at 9:28 pm

      Thanks for the link Chips. It is an interesting group of women.

  13. 67 dotster3
    July 13, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    AP uses old golf photo to accompany today’s golf story. Wonder what kind of Sasha singing performance would take place at a friend’s house—–that her parents attended tonight.

    • 68 donna dem 4 obama
      July 13, 2013 at 8:05 pm

      And I am sure that FLOTUS is just “thrilled” (not) that the media is reporting on this event with Sasha tonight 🙄

  14. 69 arapaho415
    July 13, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    I think Amy intended on linking to this article on Alex Okrent, who died 1 year ago today. Rest in peace, young man.

  15. 70 auni
    July 13, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    I would hate to be on that jury. I think sometimes people forget that what we think is true and right, and what it is possible to actually give an opinion on, is determined by details in the law. Sometimes the law prevents juries from making common sense decisions.

  16. July 13, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    John Cole of Balloon Juice is a big animal lover.

    His most beloved cat – Tunch was killed today.

    Here’s the thread:


    • 72 desertflower
      July 13, 2013 at 9:27 pm

      I have tears in my eyes. He talked about his darling Tunch ALL THE TIME. I am so sad to hear this….and the way it happened, it just beyond tragic. Such pain in his heart. My thoughts go out to him.

    • 73 99ts
      July 13, 2013 at 9:28 pm

      Oh my – that is so sad – and not a good way to lose one’s favorite animal. I lost 2 cats being run over – so never had another until we moved to a much quieter location.

    • 74 amk for obama
      July 13, 2013 at 9:40 pm

      Yes. Woke up to that terrible news. That fat cat was the star of that blog. It was a horrible way to go.

    • 75 MightyPamela
      July 13, 2013 at 10:18 pm

      oh no, oh no… i don’t know him, or Trunch, but I would be devastated if anything happened to my dear dear kitty.

  17. July 13, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    Evening guys. I’ve not been following the trial on TV. I have been following updates here and elsewhere. In fact, I’ve pretty much decided to ban any news programs until after the verdict comes in. So I’ve been spending my time doing other things and just getting out the house.

    So I just saw The Heat with my sister. IT.WAS.FUNNY.HAS.HELL!!! If you haven’t seen it yet, go out and see it!

    • 77 4morefor44
      July 13, 2013 at 9:04 pm

      we saw it too, and i haven’t laughed that hard and that long in a long time. people should know in advance about the amount of f-bombs (extreme), and a lot of the humor is pretty low-brow, but man it is hilarious. bullock is great as the “straight lady” and melissa mccarthy has got to be one of the funniest actors around today.

      • July 13, 2013 at 9:43 pm

        agreed. there is DEF a lot of NSFW language, but no nudity, and not really much “gorish” volence.

        It was funny as heck. Ya always know it’s a good movie when the audience is laughing so hard that you can’t even hear the next line. There was ALOT of those moments in this movie.

  18. 79 Jovie
    July 13, 2013 at 9:33 pm

  19. 80 vitaminlover
    July 13, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Well, to be honest, and quite frankly, I am watching “Here comes Honey Boo Boo” Can’t help myself. It’s my guilty tv trainwreck watch pleasure.

  20. 82 Dakota
    July 13, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Hey Everyone!

    Speaking of laughing your butt off, we had the pleasure of seeing comedian Sinbad in concert last night! I haven’t laughed so hard in years…seriously! He has a quick, amazing mind and crazy ad-libbing skills. He even touched on the Trayvon Martin case expounding on the “stand your ground” law. Even though the routine was funny, it really gave you food for thought.

    Recommending a movie, probably being shown at your local independent film theatre, called “20 Feet From Stardom.” It’s about back up singers who performed with some of the world’s biggest stars. Great music and great, though sometimes sad stories. Try to see it if possible.

  21. 83 jacquelineoboomer
    July 13, 2013 at 9:41 pm

  22. 84 anniebella
    July 13, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    Do the U.S. media have the hospital cover where Kate and William are waiting for their child? I mean no disrespect to the England royalty, but it doesn’t interest me one bit. Of course I hope it’s healthy but I’m not into them like that.

  23. 87 desertflower
    July 13, 2013 at 9:50 pm


  24. July 13, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    A verdict has been reached in the Zimmerman case.

  25. 92 jacquelineoboomer
    July 13, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    CNN says there’s a verdict.

  26. July 13, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    Thoughts with Trayvon’s family right now.

  27. 96 desertflower
    July 13, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    I’m going to watch it on tv….be back after it’s read.

  28. 97 anniebella
    July 13, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    Verdict is in, I’m going to stay away from the tv. I’ll wait right here.

  29. 99 yardarm756
    July 13, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    All I have seen teaches me to trust the Creator for all I have not seen.
    Ralph Waldo Emerson

  30. 101 99ts
    July 13, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    So justice walks out the door again

  31. 102 desertflower
    July 13, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Justice was not served. I’m so sad

  32. 103 yardarm756
    July 13, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    It is a sad day.

    • 104 anniebella
      July 13, 2013 at 10:02 pm

      So he was found not guilty. A black person life doesn’t mean anything. It’s just fine for our kids to be gun down.

      • 105 yardarm756
        July 13, 2013 at 10:06 pm

        It’s gonna get deep. Gun manufacturers are gonna start making a lot of money.

        • 106 nathkatun7
          July 13, 2013 at 10:43 pm

          This is Emmett Till all over again! “The more things change, the more they remain the same.” For the parents of Trayvon, today their son was murdered again by our so called justice system. For all the parents of Black males the message is unmistakable: their children’s lives are not worthy two cents.

      • July 13, 2013 at 10:18 pm

        gunned down like dogs..

        actually, they’d charge someone who killed a dog

  33. July 13, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    All you can do is despair.

  34. 113 donna dem 4 obama
    July 13, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    I can’t stop crying….

    My gut has been telling me that this was going to be the outcome but I held onto hope.

    My thoughts and prayers are with the Martin Family

  35. 115 Claire
    July 13, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    I feel sick. This country is sick.

    • 116 anniebella
      July 13, 2013 at 10:08 pm

      No these white ass people are sick, they are still fill with racism. Believe it or not. If Trayvon was a blond white boy Zimmerman would fry in prison. But the black kill deserve to die. They aren’t worth shit.

  36. 117 amk for obama
    July 13, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    Jesus. What a fucked up country.

  37. 118 Jovie
    July 13, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    Please no violence, don’t give them what they want!

    • 119 anniebella
      July 13, 2013 at 10:14 pm

      Jovie I don’t want any violence either, but right now I feel like……never mind.

    • 120 nathkatun7
      July 13, 2013 at 10:49 pm

      It really doesn’t matter! Neither violence nor nonviolence will alter the way Black lives are devalued in this country. On the other hand, we must never despair. We’ve gotten this far as a result of struggle and our refusal to surrender our humanity.

  38. July 13, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    I cannot breathe. I’m so incredibly sad for this family.

  39. 122 sherijr
    July 13, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    OMG my son just called to tell me they found Zimmerman not guilty.

    • 123 sherijr
      July 13, 2013 at 10:12 pm

      I am so effing angry and sickened by this – there is not a soul in this country that doesn’t know Zimmerman is guilty.. that Trayvon was an innocent child minding his own damn business and was murdered. I am sick of this shit. Sick of the racists in this country, and the filth they get away with.

  40. 124 Jovie
    July 13, 2013 at 10:08 pm

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  42. 126 kathryn kivett
    July 13, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    I am just sick and feel so much sadness for our country.

  43. 128 Dakota
    July 13, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    This is one incredibly fuck up country.

  44. July 13, 2013 at 10:17 pm

  45. 130 yardarm756
    July 13, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    There can yet be one path to redeeming this. I see a civil suite ahead for GF!

  46. 131 Mellesia Barnett
    July 13, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Oh my god I am bawling my eyes right now. How the fuck is this justice where a 17 year old minding his own business get shot in his heart not be found guilty.

  47. 132 desertflower
    July 13, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    These Stand Your Ground laws brought to us by ALEC and the NRA need to be targeted. It was this law that enabled this travesty to happen. These states ALL have these laws!






    Illinois (The law does not include a duty to retreat, which courts have interpreted as a right to expansive self-defense.)









    North Carolina


    Oregon (Also does not include a duty to retreat.)

    South Carolina

    South Dakota




    Washington (Also does not include a duty to retreat.)

    West Virginia

    This story was originally published by the independent, non-profit newsroom ProPublica.

  48. 133 Jewelz
    July 13, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    I guess my first instincts were right. Rest in Peace Trayvon.

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