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  1. 1 4morefor44
    July 3, 2013 at 3:48 pm


  2. 2 57andfemale
    July 3, 2013 at 3:49 pm


    • 3 57andfemale
      July 3, 2013 at 3:49 pm

      And yes. FORWARD. Here’s some promising news from the last thread:

      [The two] patients in Boston who had bone-marrow transplants for blood cancers have apparently been virus-free for weeks since their antiretroviral drugs were stopped, researchers at an international AIDS conference announced Wednesday.
      The patients’ success echoes that of Timothy Ray Brown, the famous “Berlin patient” who has shown no signs of resurgent virus in the five years since he got a bone-marrow transplant from a donor with a rare mutation conferring resistance to H.I.V.

  3. 5 utaustinliberal
    July 3, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Deja vu of 2011 all over again.

  4. 6 Nena20409
    July 3, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    TOD is Great…… 😉

    less than 15K to Reach 20M Hits……….I want a Party Chips……… 🙂

  5. 7 utaustinliberal
    July 3, 2013 at 3:52 pm

  6. 9 Nena20409
    July 3, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    4morefor44 Gold suits You 🙂 Congrats.

  7. 10 57andfemale
    July 3, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    And Americans who are outraged that the NSA is trying to keep us safe from cyber attacks and all things nefarious, think this is just sooo cool:

  8. 11 Nena20409
    July 3, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Love the Obama Portraits.

    The Nov 4 2008 all dressed in Black and Red. The Xmas photo of 2010 all the Obamas were in White and Black.

    Then in 2012 election, Nov 6, Different outfits for all. Same as the 2011 Xmas photos.

    The Girls went from beautiful girls to Gorgeous young Ladies. So Stylish.

  9. 13 57andfemale
    July 3, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    I don’t understand why they won’t let me drink at work:

  10. 14 4morefor44
    July 3, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    not really sure how to feel about the egypt news. unlike mubarak where the “elections” weren’t really elections since no one was permitted to run against him, the morsi election seemed much more legit from the outside. most trusted egyptians i know or have read though, say it was a sham election for the muslim brotherhood.

    i want to support an elected person, but if it was a scam then i can see why this is happening. PBS has a live feed on their site of the square, and it’s amazingly boisterous and packed for as far as the eye can see. it looks like the biggest crowd i’ve ever seen there, so if this really is the majority rising up, then i suppose it’s good. i’ll be looking for what president obama has to say, since he’s earned my trust and i think he’ll do the correct thing.

    • 15 57andfemale
      July 3, 2013 at 4:31 pm

      Not legitimate, according to Coptic Christian friends of mine, who have family in Egypt. There was serious intimidation, threats, fears for safety when it came to voting. Things were very bad and the election, at least from the standpoint of Coptic Christians in Egypt, was not democratic.

      I’m still uneasy about overthrows like this. The Egyptian military, as I recall was pro Mubarak with strong business interests.

      • 16 4morefor44
        July 3, 2013 at 4:42 pm

        thanks for the info. i know some egyptians too and they say they also wanted morsi to go. their comments are in line with that “egyptian jon stewart” guy, where he was cautiously optimistic when they had the election and were hoping morsi would do well, but over the last year they said he and his party have been horrendous and lying about their true intentions. it’s hard to ignore the fact that i’m seeing and hearing this same opinion all over the place, while the only counter is from pro-muslim brotherhood folks.

        plus, the square currently has perhaps the biggest public celebration happening that i’ve ever seen, so sure seems like the will of the people, and not some fake demonstration being used for pro-military propaganda. so glad to have president obama though to respond appropriately.

    • July 3, 2013 at 5:30 pm

      I was at home for lunch watching the BBC. A commentator made the observation that the transition after ousting Mubarak was done backwards. A constitution should’ve been written first, passed by referendum, and then elections held. But what happened was that elections were held first, the MB won those elections, and then quelle surprise they pushed through and Islamist constitution. What we’re really seeing is a rejection by Egyptian civil society of the idea of turning Egypt into an Islamic state.

      I know I said I was going to take a break, but today’s events in Egypt have me thinking about what “democracy” really means. Russia and China have “elections”; I doubt anyone would consider them democracies.

  11. 18 Nena20409
    July 3, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Emily’s List, and all those Left leaning groups……this is how these draconian laws passed by TBGOPers across the nation against women, Voters and Labor laws are to be stopped……including in NJ…….bringing Christie to his fluffy knees……..Massive People Rejection…….before these state houses and in DC before congress.

    Even before the SCOTUS…..even though they ruled that their grounds are Now Never to be used for protesting.

    • July 3, 2013 at 4:31 pm

      Didn’t the majority of the people of Egypt vote Morsi into office?Will there be another coup after the next Democratic election? There will always be a portion of the population unsatisfied.

      • 21 57andfemale
        July 3, 2013 at 4:33 pm

        From friends with direct knowledge of conditions in Egypt, it wasn’t all the democratic an election. That being said, as an American I expect issues to be addressed through the elective process and not by coup.

        • 22 COS
          July 3, 2013 at 4:45 pm

          I wish the people of Egypt good luck. I just saw Jake Tapper on CNN asking how will this affect PBO and he also asked the reporter are they hearing ant anti Obama sentiment there? These pundits make me sick

  12. July 3, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    This pretty much debunks all the conspiracy theories floating out there…. comprehensive breakdown of what happened.

  13. July 3, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    This is CNN…… part infinity.

  14. 28 theo67
    July 3, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    So, this coup d’etat in Egypt was a result of the elected government not taking care of the well-being of the people, not because of a violent dictator slaughtering his own citizens to retain power. That seems like progress, in a way.

    • 29 4morefor44
      July 3, 2013 at 4:27 pm

      good point. and there doesn’t seem to be TOO much violence so far, at least by their past standards. i can’t believe how jubilant the square at the moment on the live feed, so sure seems like will of the people. hopefully morsi and muslim brotherhood don’t try anything and simply run again in a new election.

      i see john bolton is commenting already and of course saying america should’ve helped the republican’s favorite lapdog/dictator mubarak so that this wouldn’t have happened, so that automatically means to me this must be good, what’s happening there right now.

      • 30 theo67
        July 3, 2013 at 4:47 pm

        Typical of Republicans to think a bloody dictatorship would be better than a free population.

  15. 32 Vicki
    July 3, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    When you hear that delaying the mandate is a “Problem” for ACA, just think of it this way:
    The Carrot (benefits) are going to be implemented immediately.
    The Stick (Mandate and penalties) delayed until after 2014 elections!
    Brilliant, No?

    Not my metaphor, thanks to smartypants in blog cited on previous TOD thread.

    • 33 57andfemale
      July 3, 2013 at 4:36 pm

      That’s very soundbit-able. Excellent.

      We still have a slew of Republican lies to overcome. I’m already fighting with Republican friends over this. I so wish I didn’t have to deal with people who consider Rush Limbaugh a news source. Sigh.

      • July 3, 2013 at 4:41 pm

        If you think about it 57, the Republicans and the Supreme Court staged a coup in 2000. 🙂

        • 35 57andfemale
          July 3, 2013 at 4:49 pm

          That’s what it was. And yet, Democrats respected the process. Not like teabaggers, who think if the elected government doesn’t match their ideology they should take their guns to the streets.

          In America, you wait for the next election. Despite a SC that turns the Constitution on its head. You wait until you can make that SC better because you elect a Democrat.

          And yet in some ways the coup continues, because Republicans no longer respect the process and obstruct what is clearly a President’s duty and responsibility.

          I’m exhausted today, FayPax.

          • July 3, 2013 at 4:54 pm

            Of course you’re right…again! 🙂 Rest up…we’ve got a lot of fighting to do yet.

            • 37 57andfemale
              July 3, 2013 at 4:59 pm

              I am so over the Dem’s needed heroes to follow or they sit on their hands. I’m in it for the long haul, for institutional change and strategy that stretches over decades. Once we commit to that process, accept moving the ball down the field instead of whining if we don’t get a touchdown every time, we’re going to take this country back to its true progressive ideals.

              • July 3, 2013 at 5:05 pm

                My sentiments exactly!

              • 39 jackiegrumbacher
                July 3, 2013 at 5:07 pm

                Well said, 57. We keep moving the ball yard by yard, voter by voter, a little farther every day.

                • 40 carolyn
                  July 3, 2013 at 5:21 pm

                  Along the line of this long haul…..I keep thinking of the saying “Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line.” Last week Wendy Davis was the new object of Democratic love. Then polls showed that she is not going to topple Rick Perry for the governorship right now. This is going to be a long haul.

                  I think Sen. Davis is aware of that. She has been very cautious and circumspect in all of her statements. Democrats seem to think finding one bright star will do all that needs to be done. Wrong. Jeremy Bird and his Battleground Texas know what needs to be done…..long, hard, slogging work, which I read is being done. Wendy Davis can be the face on the fight, but Democrats need to learn the hard work involved like President Obama has tried to teach us.
                  Same goes in Kentucky. There is now a bright, shining opponent for the turtle, but it is going to take work and money to defeat that horrible man. I agree we need the charismatic people, but those people also have to understand the work involved, like PBO did, and we the ground troops have to do the Republican fall in line thing, instead of shooting our own people. (e.g.Chris Hayes)

                  • 41 57andfemale
                    July 3, 2013 at 6:03 pm

                    I thought the same thing. There the Democrats go again. Fine, consider her, nurture her as a candidate. But we lurch from hero to hero, and when our heroes have to face complicated, political reality, we act like spoiled two year olds who can’t get our ice cream cones. It’s ridiculous and it has to stop. Dem’s don’t embrace the institutional, strategic challenges. Republicans do. And even though we still win some elections, we do not change the political discourse the way Republicans do.

                    I’ve used this analogy before but it’s applicable: I only wish Pat Robertson had taken his marbles and gone home after Reagan did nothing to reverse Roe v. Wade. But the Religious Right did not leave the process – they transformed it, hijacked our political discourse, made partners with big business interests and re-wrote what Americans believed to be true. We were a union-loving, progressive-leaning country. They managed to convince people that their Uncle Harry living in a one-room apt. with a TV was going to have to pay the ‘death tax’. That teachers were bad, unions destroyed jobs, government could never do well what private industry could do. They accepted chipping away at pro-choice rights until we get the shambles we’re in now, accepting that it took them 30 years. They invested in 35 years of moving the ball down the field.

                    We fell in love with PBO in 2008 and the voters let the tea party take over in 2010. Republicans do not allow that to happen. They vote. They chip away until here I am, at 63 years old, fighting the same battles I fought in the 60’s and 70’s. Only now there isn’t a sane Republican elected official in the entire country. Now THAT’s effective, Republicans.

                    I’m seeing a shift, but it’s subtle and I’m terrified of what can happen until all Dem’s ‘get it’. The Wendy Davis hero worship scared me a little.

                    • July 3, 2013 at 10:44 pm

                      Thank you for stating my thoughts so clearly!! As I watched the Republican process, i.e. think tanks, candidates, mailings, Right wing radio etc, etc. The coup in 2000 and I believe 2004 as well. We have a VERY long road back even to where we were in the ’70’s! Thanks again!

    • 43 Vicki
      July 3, 2013 at 5:00 pm

      Correction! Spandan at PPV, not smartypants, Sorry.

    • 44 57andfemale
      July 3, 2013 at 5:00 pm

      One quibble, Vicki: the mandates still apply to individuals. Only big businesses that don’t provide affordable, decent health care are off the hook, and any other businesses who need to report. So the analogy doesn’t quite fly.

      • 45 Vicki
        July 3, 2013 at 6:09 pm

        Noted, 57. I just read an article on Drudge by a Fox person who called the delay of the mandate for businesses a big win for ACA and that it will lead to single payer. Fox guy seething, besides himself.
        They think only they can do poitical things. Somehow it’s a sin when we pull winning moves. Guess that sort of defines “entitled.”

        • 46 57andfemale
          July 4, 2013 at 12:21 pm

          The long game is indeed to remove employer-provided health insurance and cut out the middle man between an individual and his health care choices. In this case, ‘choice’ is not a bad word, as long as you can choose from plans that are affordable, accessible and meaningful.

          It’s a really long game. It’s the way PBO sees. It is maddening on a short-term level; and there is always a chance that conditions may change significantly during a long period and we will not achieve what we set out to achieve. It’s philosophical and contentious, and both approaches win and lose.

          Ultimately, PBO’s method achieves sustainable achievements, like the Congressional repeal of DADT and the Federal implementation of marriage benefits to same sex couples. This will have long standing ripple effects.

          I have faith it will work out the way he envisions, but it’s also a little nerve-wracking while the process unfolds.

  16. 47 57andfemale
    July 3, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    This is promising:

  17. 48 Jewelz
    July 3, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    It’s hard to watch the chaos that’s happening in Egypt right now. Unfortunately, any sort of military coup is not the solution for them right now, but they are too impatient to see that the actions taken today by the military will not result in a prosperous Egypt. Lack of patience is ultimately one of the major downfalls of mankind.

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  19. 52 Mellesia Barnett
    July 3, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    MSNBC please go back to the what is happening in Egypt I really don’t want to look at the face of a child killer that is Zimmerman

  20. 62 57andfemale
    July 3, 2013 at 5:03 pm

  21. 63 57andfemale
    July 3, 2013 at 5:04 pm

  22. 65 57andfemale
    July 3, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    • 66 dotster3
      July 3, 2013 at 5:32 pm

      I noticed someone call these Repubs the “Christian brotherhood”. We condemn tactics of the “Muslim brotherhood” in other countries, but we have a very similar movement going on here—-the takeover in many states by the Christian brotherhood. It’s a religious fervor which is drafting all this new legislation restricting the rights of women etc. etc. etc. It’s an attempt to take the country back to the good ol’ days where men were men and in charge and women had to be submissive and obey.

  23. 68 peppylepew
    July 3, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Why is Joy Reid everywhere? Do you think they r planning on giving her her own show? I must admit she is one of a few I can listen to. She is so fiesty she can even even out talk Mathews.

    • 69 Mellesia Barnett
      July 3, 2013 at 5:11 pm

      I think she is going to get her own show, what MSNBC needs to do is kick Hayes out on his ass and give Joy the time slot

    • 70 Bill
      July 3, 2013 at 5:14 pm

      I think a lot of the regulars are taking off this week because it is a holiday week and she is filling in. I wish she would take over for Chris Hayes or at 7:00 for Tweety.

    • 71 57andfemale
      July 3, 2013 at 5:44 pm

      This is what msnbc does before giving someone a show.

  24. 72 Dakota
    July 3, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    The happenings in Egypt are more important, however, there was no Trayvon Martin DNA found under Zimmerman’s fingernails.

    • 73 Dakota
      July 3, 2013 at 5:12 pm

      I’m sorry…there was no Zimmerman DNA found under Trayvon’s fingernails! Sheesh!

      • 74 57andfemale
        July 3, 2013 at 5:45 pm

        You mean the fingernails on the 17 hands he needed to do all the things Zimmerman said he did?

    • July 3, 2013 at 5:12 pm

      Zimmerman is full of it, but I can’t watch that crap. He will get off. Besides, there’s no jail for him to return to. I’m pretty sure he ate it.

    • 77 Mellesia Barnett
      July 3, 2013 at 5:14 pm

      And there was no Zimmerman DNA found under Trayvon’s fingernails considering Zimmerman’s testimony that stated that Trayvon was covering his mouth and slamming his head on the sidewalk and punching him

    • July 3, 2013 at 5:16 pm

      Question. What happened to the can of tea? I’ve never heard anyone mention it.

  25. 80 57andfemale
    July 3, 2013 at 5:11 pm

  26. 81 jacquelineoboomer
    July 3, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    Ol’ Bobby Brady of Louisiana just gave some opponent some future day a real good line to use against him … his earlier tweet was something about Congress, looks like, but he forgot to connect the dots (as usual).

  27. July 3, 2013 at 5:22 pm

  28. 87 lisalovesobama
    July 3, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    THE BOOK ‘This Town’

    For the people pushing the book, ‘This Town,’ did you happen to read pages 3 of the review? Did you read where the author said that Joey B. appears to be suffering from ” manhood insecurities” and lambasted the Obama administration as hypocrites, and as being like any other administration in that it is staffed by corporatists and non-corporatists who sell out as soon as they walk out of the White House? ……. So yeah. This isn’t a book I’m buying.

  29. 89 Don
    July 3, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    This fucking guy Morsi was handed Egypt on a silver platter and he goes and fucks it up. I mean really, how do you fuck up something like that? The only thing this guy had to do was not be an asshole, but no, this fucking guy just had to go around the country breaking balls.

    • 90 Mellesia Barnett
      July 3, 2013 at 5:29 pm

      Power corrupts

    • 92 theo67
      July 3, 2013 at 5:31 pm

      I agree that Morsi messed it up by getting crazy with power, but I also think that anyone taking over immediately after the election might have had a hard time to bring about a lot of change when the scales of equality were so unbalanced. At least the extremists know that they won’t have a leg to stand on in Egypt. That’s an important outcome.

  30. 93 carolyn
    July 3, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    I saw a poster that translated ….no electricity, no water, no phone…….Morsi did nothing to bring back basic services to the country. Also, tourists were not visiting Egypt out of fear, and tourism composes more than a majority of Egypt’s economy. With the tourist numbers down, the ehole economy went down. Whoever takes over needs to restore basic services and make it safe for tourists to visit their wonders. The entire country is highly dependent on tourist dollars, but without electricity, water, phone…..no safety, there will be no rich tourists contributing.

  31. 94 Don
    July 3, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    I’m glad somebody stole Chris Hayes’ bike. Some bike riders are so fucking pretentious, look at me I’m on a bike and my carbon footprint is practically undetectable.

    • 95 dotster3
      July 3, 2013 at 5:51 pm

      Chris Hayes can ride a bike cross country, for all I care. I just want him and his narrow libertarian views off my teevee. But I’m not glad anyone stole his bike. And I don’t hate bike riders. It’s a good thing.

    • 97 4morefor44
      July 3, 2013 at 5:58 pm

      i never get this. i’ve been a bike commuter for many years, and guess what, also drive cars a lot too. this whole car/biker arguing has annoyed me for years. it’s not an either/or situation, and myself and everyone i know in the local bike coalition bike as much as we can for a variety of different reasons, and don’t have any attitude about it. some bikers even on bike paths exhibit the same sort of behaviors that are “the norm” on the roads in with cars, so it’s more of a human nature thing that’s consistent regardless of the mode of transportation. it’s shouldn’t be about drivers versus bikers…hopefully people do whatever they can do to improve the world, and their own health as much as they can. simple as that.

  32. 98 57andfemale
    July 3, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    Interesting Ezra Klein post on the employer mandate:

  33. 99 Mellesia Barnett
    July 3, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Tweety go to your bed

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