Chat Away, Early Birds




98 Responses to “Chat Away, Early Birds”

  1. 1 Roberta in MN
    June 23, 2013 at 7:47 am

    Morning Chips & TODers

  2. 3 VotingPoet
    June 23, 2013 at 7:48 am

    My God this Snowden deal is blowing up in their faces and I for one believe it’s doing ongoing harm.

    • 4 Roberta in MN
      June 23, 2013 at 7:49 am

      I agree, bust don’t underestimate this Administration.

      • 5 MightyPamela
        June 23, 2013 at 11:06 am

        This, Roberta. PBO has just met with both Chinese and Russian leaders. My bet is he asked them to set it up to look as if the pawn was being aided, run him around a bit so he feels like he’s in a spy movie, but at one of his stops the US will be standing by the arrival gate to take him into custody. We shall see, eh?

  3. 6 Roberta in MN
    June 23, 2013 at 7:48 am

    I think Hong Kong wanted him out of their hair. We will get him, he probably is on his way home, the news agencies just don’t know it. (Conspiracy much) 🙂

  4. 7 amk for obama
    June 23, 2013 at 7:49 am


  5. June 23, 2013 at 7:53 am

    MoooooOOOOOOOoooorning early birds!!! The mighty UT will be looking after your R&S, unless she’s left for Moscow – in which case I’ll take over.

  6. 24 Jovie
    June 23, 2013 at 7:53 am

    How can he trip up all these Countries Intel agencies including our own?
    It doesn’t seem possible, unless he is really really smart and outsmarting everybody ?

    • 25 Bill
      June 23, 2013 at 7:57 am

      Do you think it is possible HK simply wanted to get him off their hands and let him board the plane to Moscow?

      • 26 Jovie
        June 23, 2013 at 7:59 am

        It’s sketchy, the whole thing is sketchy!

      • 27 amk for obama
        June 23, 2013 at 8:01 am

        Yup, that’s what beebs sez.

        Mr Snowden’s departure from Hong Kong was an unexpected turn of events.

        He had previously said he intended to stay in the city and fight against deportation to the US through the local courts. His leaving removes a major diplomatic headache for the Hong Kong leadership, who were faced with the prospect of a prolonged legal battle.

        Some observers will say the government took a face-saving way out of a difficult situation.


      • June 23, 2013 at 8:13 am

        I think so. I also think that the folks who are paying for #SnowdensWorldTour don’t exactly trust that the HK people wouldn’t tire of all of this and would just let us snatch him.

      • 31 jackiegrumbacher
        June 23, 2013 at 9:21 am

        Does anyone know if he’s traveling on a US passport. Is it possible to revoke a passport for someone who is wanted by the govt.?

    • 32 CaliCat
      June 23, 2013 at 8:08 am

      I don’t think he’s all that smart just that China decided want they wanted to do with him and did it. Maybe Russia wanted him to use as a bargaining chip against the U.S and China aquiesced. Snowden is just a pawn in a global game of chess at this point. It won’t end well for him.

  7. 33 Jovie
    June 23, 2013 at 7:57 am

  8. 34 amk for obama
    June 23, 2013 at 7:57 am

  9. 36 Jovie
    June 23, 2013 at 8:01 am

    Also if Putin wanted to he could easily pick him up when he lands.

  10. 37 Jovie
    June 23, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Wiki leaks says that Hong Kong let him go.
    They got some splainin to do.

  11. June 23, 2013 at 8:05 am

    Good morning early birds

  12. 39 amk for obama
    June 23, 2013 at 8:15 am

  13. 40 sonjiaduncan
    June 23, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Good morning TOD and Chips. Congrats on first Roberta in MN and the rest of the early birds.

  14. 44 Roberta in MN
    June 23, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Do believe Wiki? If he is really on the lamb. He is being passed around so they can get all they need from him, which is not much anymore. He is a traitor. Putin was not happy with our President at the G8. Just don’t under estimate this Administration. It is not all that it seems. 🙂

    • 45 jackiegrumbacher
      June 23, 2013 at 9:25 am

      Also, Roberta, the more time goes by the more obsolete Snowden’s information becomes. Then he’s useless to any government. Wherever he goes he will need to be financially supported which will be a drag on any country if he has nothing to give them.

  15. June 23, 2013 at 8:22 am

  16. 49 amk for obama
    June 23, 2013 at 8:24 am

    University of Hong Kong law professor Simon Young expressed surprise at the Hong Kong authorities’ decision on extradition.

    He said that under local law, a very low threshold is required before a provisional warrant can be put in place.

    “The US government will wonder why the Hong Kong government feels the surrender paperwork needs to be fully in place before the provisional warrant can be obtained,” he said.


  17. June 23, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Snowden is a snitch. Nothing more. He’s in a prison of his own making. I have this song rattling in my head “Man on the Run” . . .

  18. June 23, 2013 at 8:29 am

    • 52 Bill
      June 23, 2013 at 8:35 am

      I would not consider running for the rest of his life and not being able to return to the US as staying “free”? Caracas is not a garden spot for an American long term.

    • June 23, 2013 at 9:18 am

      Well, I am certain that I am of very sound mind and I am not rooting for Snowden. It is common knowledge that Senators Udall and Wyden have been moaning about these programs since 2005 or 2006. Why didn’t he go to them, first? Lacking the kind of response he wanted he then might have gone a step further.

      It appears that he signed on to the NSA with the express purpose of gathering the information in order to pass it on. If he carried out a plan, that’s espionage, plain and simple…and he has co-conspirators.

      For all I know, Mr. Snowden was set-up by an agency desperate to find leakers and it’s very possible he has nothing of any real consequence.

      The sad story is that the media chooses to irresponsibly equate these programs with Cointelpro.

      Finally, I do not put it past evildoers and anti-Obama factions to go to any extent to undermine his foreign policy achievements, to sully foreign relations and start a new war (I don’t buy the use of sarin in Syria either).

  19. June 23, 2013 at 8:31 am

  20. 57 CaliCat
    June 23, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Little shit is trying to start WWIII. Welcome to the Amazing Race snitch season. Teams fly round the world giving up America’s secrets and whoever crosses the finish line first gets to hand wash Greenwald’s unmentionables.

  21. June 23, 2013 at 8:36 am


  22. 62 VotingPoet
    June 23, 2013 at 8:36 am

    Thanks for the reassurance Roberta, I agree, it’s nowhere near what is on the surface.

  23. 63 Bill
    June 23, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Snowden’s ETA in Moscow is in 10 minutes.

  24. June 23, 2013 at 8:52 am

    There is “BIG” money behind Snowmagedan. Understatement? What a man of principle. I’ll let Hong Kong justice sort it out? And so they did! Does any one remember spring 2001?

    Hainan Island incident
    The damaged EP-3 on the ground on Hainan Island
    Date April 1, 2001
    Location Hainan Island, People’s Republic of China and the South China Sea
    Result American crew detained, later released.
    One Chinese J-8 pilot MIA.
    Belligerents ~ China
    United States
    2 J-8IM aircraft 1 EP-3E SIGINT aircraft
    Casualties and losses
    1 J-8 destroyed
    1 pilot missing 1 EP-3E damaged and captured
    24 aircrew captured and detained
    On April 1, 2001, a mid-air collision between a United States Navy EP-3E ARIES II signals intelligence aircraft and a People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) J-8II interceptor fighter jet resulted in an international dispute between the United States of America and the People’s Republic of China, called the Hainan Island incident.


  25. 67 africa
    June 23, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Good Sunday Morning, all. I see Snow is on the lam, eh? Well, OK.

  26. 68 Ceb
    June 23, 2013 at 8:59 am

    I do not know what it is that this young man wanted or what he expected. Other countries will use him, spit him out and never trust him. A traitor is someone that everyone despises even if he is useful for a short time. His life is over.

    The nature of diplomacy is that everyone is aware of what everyone else is doing, but the dirty laundry is not aired in public. The back channels are used to wheel and deal and to carry out covert activities. No country really wants things to become public. This boy has upset the balance, but one good thing out of this is that we have to take a closer look at privatizing government work.

    Good morning, everyone. It is a lovely Sunday, Barack Obama is still president and our African odyssey awaits. It is all good.

  27. 69 africa
    June 23, 2013 at 9:00 am

    And Oh, I love Joy Reid.

    I love Joy Reid.

  28. 70 Jovie
    June 23, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Abc news is back to calling him a whistle blower…

    • 71 anniebella
      June 23, 2013 at 9:44 am

      Are you talking about the ABC who allow Jonathan Karl to put forth lies about Benghazi emails and they didn’t feel they did anything wrong.

  29. June 23, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Soon enough Snowden will realize that he is being used

  30. 73 Jovie
    June 23, 2013 at 9:06 am

    NSA head being interviewed now on abc.

  31. June 23, 2013 at 9:07 am

    WHOA, what? I’m just now starting to look at the news. WTH???

    Good morning, TODers!!

  32. 77 Bill
    June 23, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Snowden’s flight has landed In Moscow.

  33. June 23, 2013 at 9:15 am

  34. 83 amk for obama
    June 23, 2013 at 9:20 am

  35. 84 Jovie
    June 23, 2013 at 9:25 am

  36. June 23, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Another crisis for our POTUS. He is most likely in the Situation Room at the moment.

  37. June 23, 2013 at 9:27 am

    • June 23, 2013 at 12:07 pm

      Kim Philby might have had something to contribute to this narrative.
      “Upon his arrival in Moscow, Philby discovered that he was not a colonel in the KGB, as he had been led to believe. He was paid 500 rubles a month, and his family was not immediately able to join him in exile.[52] It was ten years before he walked through the doors of KGB headquarters, and he was given little real work. Philby was under virtual house arrest, guarded, with all visitors screened by the KGB. Mikhail Lyubimov, his closest KGB contact, explained that this was to guard his safety, but later admitted that the real reason was the KGB’s fear that Philby would return to London.[46]
      Philby occupied himself by writing his memoirs, published in England in 1968 under the title My Silent War; it was not published in the Soviet Union until 1980.[53]) He continued to read the Times, which was not generally available in the USSR, listened to the BBC World Service, and was an avid follower of cricket.
      Though Philby claimed publicly in January 1988 that he did not regret his decisions, and that he missed nothing about England except some friends, Colman’s mustard, and Lea & Perrins Worcestershire sauce,[54] his wife Rufina later described Philby as “disappointed in many ways” by what he found in Moscow. “He saw people suffering too much,” but he consoled himself by arguing that “the ideals were right but the way they were carried out was wrong. The fault lay with the people in charge.”[8] Philby drank heavily and suffered from loneliness and depression; according to Rufina, he had attempted suicide by slashing his wrists in the 1960s.[55]” (Wikipedia)

    • 88 susanne
      June 23, 2013 at 3:43 pm

      i’m late to the party, but just gotta say… chips, this is hilarious!

  38. June 23, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Snowden just doesn’t deserve all this attention. All he did was rehash old news and verify what any thinking person should have already known. As far as foreign countries are concerned, he just removed America’s ability to deny the scope of it’s cyber-tactics. He belongs in a dustbin of damnation along with Cheney, Palin and the rest of the right wing crazies.

  39. 92 Jovie
    June 23, 2013 at 9:32 am

    These are Syrian War planes! They sure look like Mig-29s to me.


  40. June 23, 2013 at 9:34 am

  41. 98 anniebella
    June 23, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Anyone who think Snowden is a hero, ought to pack up and leave this country and go where Snowden just landed. Stating with Greenwald and Chris Hayes and all the others out there.

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