by @zizii2
MEMO TO PRESIDENT CLINTON: WHO ARE YOU CALLING A “WUSS“?
President Bill Clinton,
Your recent statements about Pres. Barack Obama regarding military action in Syria have gotten my dander up. And so I break my own rule about only focusing my blogging energies on defeating Republicans.
Just what is it, Mr. Clinton, about this President, Obama, that makes you hover around his presidency like an insufferable helicopter parent? That last word is what it is, right? You see him as a minor who requires your supervision, no? Just as in 2007/2008 you called him inexperienced , and angrily told the Late Senator Kennedy that in your “days, Obama would be fetching you coffee”, you just can’t give him space to govern in his own right, right? You see yourself as his chaperon? Armchair quarterback ?
In the first month of the 1st term, as the economy was imploding and Pres Obama was carefully calibrating his words to both provide the unvarnished truth about the dire state of the economy but simultaneously reassure us that we would be able to make it out of the doldrums, you marched onto GMA and other stations to undercut him. You sat there and admonished the President for relaying too gloomy a picture about the economy. You wanted him to lie to us. Sugarcoat the reality of the financial crisis? Why? Because you cynically thought we couldn’t handle the truth?
You poured cold water on the healthcare law’s chances of being upheld by the Supreme Court last year.
You wrote a book accusing President Obama of being “weak” in the wake of the debt ceiling debacle in 2011, when he decided to focus like a laser on income inequality. You lambasted him for turning into an “occupy Wall street” class warrior.
You two-footed Pres Obama’s campaign strategies when you inanely chastised him for pointing out the real life consequences of Bain’s business model on vulnerable working people. Your corporate coddling was bared for us all to see.
Constructive criticism and suggestions are one thing. Welcome they are. But to endless treat this President as if he had two left feet and no clue how to lace up his shoes, is downright condescending and infantilizing of a man who has cleaned up the bulk of your messes both on the domestic and foreign policy fronts — Dismantling DADT, Weakening DOMA, Passing Financial regulation Dodd-Frank Law, Successful Healthcare law after Hillarycare fail, Rebuilding WINNING Democratic party coalition, NAFTA review & Worker protection rules for all new Trade Agreements, Osama bin Laden capture, National Security oversight,
I lived through and closely studied your exploits during the disintegration of the former Yugoslavia and your dithering on Bosnia. Yet you have the chutzpah to accuse President Obama of risking becoming a “wuss” if he took a cautious approach to intervention in the Syrian mess?
We remember your fatal indecisiveness during the Rwandan Genocide, the massacre in Sarajevo, and the delayed intervening in Kosovo. You cannot pull a fast one on us today. The spectacle of you and John McCain prancing around as war hawks on Syria is SICK!
This is the result of your inaction in Rwanda in 1994
This film is based on documentary footage of the horrors of the Rwandan war and world’s (including American government’s) tepid response
Many of us original Obama supporters are fed up with your public undercutting of this President.We appreciate the occasions on which you helped campaign on behalf of President Obama as well as your role galvanizing the Democrats at last year’s Convention. But you do realize that no one is a JUNIOR partner in this relationship between the President and you.
Likewise, no one is asking you to march in lockstep. But if you have reservations about anything you have ample ways of directly letting President Obama know. Your conduct is even more glaringly insulting precisely because Pres Obama has shown you nothing but respect and appreciation for your role as party elder. In the spirit of party unity, he granted you the platform to reconnect with his coalition in view of the tensions that erupted during the 2008 primaries. Does PBO’s civility and magnanimity not deserve recognition and reciprocity from you?
So why do you have this pattern of hogging his space as president and teaming with Republicans to embarrass him? So much so that your Clintonista supporters also show similar disdain for this President!! Pres. Obama may have cleaned up your policy messes in the face of unprecedented Republican obstructionism and Democratic blue dog recalcitrance, but realize he is not your janitor!!!!!
By publicly insulting the President using terms that demean his manhood (just like MoDo does routinely) and courage, you have poked the spider’s scrotum (as we say in my native language). Some of us of the Obama coalition cannot sit quietly for the sake of Democratic party unity and allow this nonsense to continue unanswered.
You cannot bumrush President Obama into a war just to please military hawks itching for another costly war for profit, that their children never have to sacrifice for.
By the way, what “strength” will we be “projecting” by rushing into the Syrian war where sizable segments of the rebel factions are al-qaeda members? Remember the Mujahedeen of Afghanistan during the 1980s?
The Obama Diary 
Good Morning TOD!
Good morning Donna and TOD. Zizi2 your piece above is right on. Clinton has hovered around this President second-guessing his every move using the media to his sole advantage.
Congrats Donna on being 1st 😀
thank you for giving voice to my anger and frustration with Bill Clinton. excellent piece.
Congrats Donna on #1 and Zizi on righteously expressing our frustrations with former President Clinton. He squandered his moral authority to tell anyone, especially President Obama, what to do in their second term! If by chance, Hillary does become President, I hope she makes him ambassador to some faraway place with little media access. I’d rather have younger, fresher faces in the WH tro carry on the Obama legacy of hope and change.
If Hillary makes it to the Oval Office, how will Bill Clinton work to undermine her, if he’s doing this crap against President Obama? And he’ll have a platform, as First Gentleman. It’s worrying, to say the least.
Good morning Donna!
TGIF – Have a great day FayPax
Good morning TOD. Bravo Zizi!
Effing great Zizi, thank you. This is overdue commentary about Bill, even though we admire him too.
Once upon a time I did admire Bill Clinton, I don’t anymore. Everything he does is suspect to me. I don’t like him, I don’t like him….
I admire Bill’s intellect, but I don’t think it is close to Barack Obama’s.
Wow…I’m still posting on the last post…
Good Morning!!! Great Memo ZiZi.
OMG, zizi, you hit the nail on the head in every way, precisely. Thank you for expressing it and validating your reasoning so well. BRILLIANT!!
I agree wholeheartedly.
Bringing this one over…
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“Britain issues global warning to airlines not to let CIA leaker Edward Snowden board a flight to the UK”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2341504/Edward-Snowden-Britain-issues-global-warning-airlines-let-CIA-leaker-board-flight-UK.html
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Airlines around the world have been warned by the British government not to allow CIA whistle-blower Edward Snowden to board any flights to the UK.
It was was issued by the Risk and Liaison Overseas Network which is part of the UK Border Agency monitoring people who try to enter Britain illegally.
It imposes fines on carriers who bring any passenger to the UK without the proper documents or against instructions from the British government.
The letter was titled ‘RALON Carrier Alert 15/13 and referred to: Individual who is highly likely to be refused entry if arriving in the United Kingdom.’
It features a photograph of Mr Snowden, his date of birth, passport number and status as a US citizen.
It added: ‘If this individual attempts to travel the UK: Carriers should deny boarding.
‘This individual is highly likely to be refused entry to the UK and the carrier may be liable to costs relating to the individual’s detention and removal.’
Fascinating.
Perfect.
Well done Zizi2 and this is the money piece for me:
Many of us original Obama supporters are fed up with your public undercutting of this President.We appreciate the occasions on which you helped campaign on behalf of President Obama as well as your role galvanizing the Democrats at last year’s Convention. But you do realize that no one is a JUNIOR partner in this relationship between the President and you.
Likewise, no one is asking you to march in lockstep. But if you have reservations about anything you have ample ways of directly letting President Obama know. Your conduct is even more glaringly insulting precisely because Pres Obama has shown you nothing but respect and appreciation for your role as party elder. In the spirit of party unity, he granted you the platform to reconnect with his coalition in view of the tensions that erupted during the 2008 primaries. Does PBO’s civility and magnanimity not deserve recognition and reciprocity from you?
You certainly speak for me!!!
Everyone have a great O’Day!!
I would add one thing: by teaming up with McCain against PBO, Clinton is giving his approval for McCain and anyone else going abroad and making traitorous statements against the President. No President has had to endure what PBO has had to endure. A great economy fell in Bill Clinton’s lap, a peace dividend fell into his lap. He refused to undo the damage done by Reagan/Bush and in fact embraced every odious move they made, domestically and internationally. And then his personal actions contributed to our loss of the Presidency in 2000.
And don’t even get me started on his and Hillary’s behavior in 2008. I have always maintained that the Republicans never would have gone as far as they did in disrespect and obstruction had not the Clintons opened that door.
Instead of being treated like an elder statesman he should hang his head in shame. Because John McCain allowed Sarah Palin to be a heartbeat away from a potential President, he unleashed the tea party on us. Both of these bitter old men should have left public life over the destruction they have rained down on us.
This! Bubba f**ked up his chance and it is over. He needs tp STFU and go home to learn how to live with Hillary in retirement. The world has moved on.
Totally THIS………from ziti and others! Thank you, ziti.
Good morning, TODers. Had my car at dealers at 7:00 for oil change and couple other things. Hope wait isn’t much longer……..busy day ahead. Great day to all. 🙂
WE HAVE ‘ONE’ PRESIDENT AT A TIME ……
Preach zizi, just freaking preach. This post is so brilliant it takes my breath away. Thank you so much for calling out President Clinton for stepping all over our amazing President Obama. How dare he? This is just outrageous. And to lock arms with John McCain is just the last straw. This new shiny object needs to be addressed vigorously with some cold hard facts and reality. You have done that in fine fashion this morning.
I like your thoughts, 🙂
Bravo, zizi2, bravo. Clinton’s remarks and attitude really got under my skin yesterday, but I could not have expressed that frustration as beautifully and factually as you have. This is a tour de force and should be read by every Democrat who voted for President Obama. I did not know of Clinton’s racist remark to Ted Kennedy about the president and it disgusts me to think he had the mindset to say such a thing. I can only imagine the contempt Ted Kennedy felt and why he dedicated himself to helping PBO. Those who cheer Bill Clinton and think we will support his wife are deluding themselves. Unless she completely disassociates herself from her husband she is risking any chances she has at the presidency. Any Democrat who says I align myself with ‘my friend’ John McCain and oppose the president has lost any right to respect. That is a sickening piece of condescension that it absolutely beyond the bounds.
I also did not know about Clinton’s racist remark to Ted Kennedy, but given the way he acted during the 2008 primaries, I can’t say that I’m completely surprised.
I think most of us wanted to believe that Clinton was being sincere when campaigning “in the service of his President”. Now it seems that his words were more tongue in cheek and his actions were more in support of his own agenda, whatever that is. Obviously, President Obama being a one term president would not have worked to his benefit. But apparently, neither does giving open support and credit this President for his decisions and accomplishments.
Good morning TOD family! Zizi you have put into words what I have been feeling since I heard what Clinton said. I am so mad! Who is this man to criticize this President! I have no desire to have Hillary as the next President. I am tired of the Clinton’s!!!!!!!
The Obama admin. will send small arms and ammo. to Syria, but NOT the anti- tank and missiles that can take down planes. Saw the announcement on GMA.
This was decided after it was confirmed that the Assad regime used sarin on the rebels.
“Many of us original Obama supporters are fed up with your public undercutting of this President. We appreciate the occasions on which you helped campaign on behalf of President Obama as well as your role galvanizing the Democrats at last year’s Convention…”
Clinton, who already felt entitled, somehow has been led to believe that he is the reason that President Obama was re¬-elected. Pundits like Matthews probably helped to fuel that belief. So in his mind, he is now a partner in this Presidency – and not a silent partner. Thus, he presumes that it is his right to publicly judge the actions of this President. And this presumption is supported by those who are still disgruntled that Barack Obama was not only elected in 2008 but was re-elected in 2012, and is also validated by the MSM who try to give certification to Clinton’s perceived position.
Memos such as yours Zizi, as well as the tweets of other TODers, help to disavow this presumption.
BRAVO Zizi2!!
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Well said Zizi. What a nice read to wake up to. Thanks.
zizi,
Fantastic! You know how to write a meaningful rant! Although I am sure POTUS is fine with the difference of opinion on this I just object to the fact that he did it with little johnny mccain, war monger. I am very conflicted over the Syrian situation; I know it’s a no win situation but it’s so awful we can’t do anything. 93,000 dead civilians (not soldiers) is horrific. I equate it to the Israeli-Palestinian situation where if there is one day of rockets the US is very much involved in talks, threats, etc. I’m equating it because that also is seen as a no-win situation in many respects and yet we don’t hesitate to assert our intention to get involved. I can only imagine if there were the number deaths on either side (in Palestine or Israel) as high as Syria that we wouldn’t have already taken some action. I’m not saying we need/should get involved in Syria; it’s just that I feel that some of our collective thought on this is based on the fact that Syria doesn’t have the geo-political recognition and importance. That’s what bothers me; that the Syrian moms and daughters and sons and fathers who are no different than all of us are then considered less valuable to the world community. 😦
Regardless, what you wrote zizi is important; Clinton’s opinion on this matter was said the wrong way and in the wrong place and needs to be called out.
This!!!!
All of this.
DADT, DOMA
Yes !!
Clinton is more than happy to pave the way for Hillary’s run. Remember as SOS she was in favor of military intervention in Syria. I do not think he will ever forgive President Obama for defeating Hillary in 08!
Clinton played a big role in that defeat by talking to much.
Absolutely! blah blah bubba!
Sometimes when you think you’re smarter than everyone else, you find out the hard way that you’re not.
COS, he sure knew when to shut up when he got caught with his pants down as Don reminded us in his post last night while
in the WH as his wife and daughter slept upstairs. That is what a “wuss” looks like to me.
Yes, LDS, and causing such embarrassment and anguish to your wife and daughter is what qualifies you to be Father of the Year. It’s enough to make you gag just thinking about it.
You went there, I wanted to so bad but I was scared. Now I beg to second the motion. Father of the Year indeed when you own daughter had to endure the shame. There was something about him that I didn’t like from the get go. In the language of my island home: “me spirit never tek (take) him.
Layla, you are so right, “I do not think he will ever forgive President Obama for defeating Hillary in ’08.”
I would take it further and say, he does not know how to accept the fact how much she enjoyed President Obama being her boss.
He’s trying to pave the way for a Hillary win in 2016. I for one am all ‘Clinton’d’ out…
Entering late here, but I never felt she enjoyed PBO being her boss, nor particularly her job as SOS. I used to admire her as first lady, but always sensed she is in it for the glory of Hillary, which is why I believed she tolerated her hubby’s disgraceful behavior. It would suit her well in the future for her own quest for power and the limelight. JMnotsoHO !
Hillary Clinton’s possible run for President is what this is all about. I always thought that was the strategy in taking the SOS position. To keep her profile high IN CASE, there was a chance for her to run in 2012 or 2016.
But, I think in that position Hillary eventually developed a grudging respect for Pres. Obama, but Bill Clinton NEVER did. He didn’t think Pres. Obama was worthy of a position HE had held. (Nevermind that the GOP felt Exactly the same way about him during his terms.)
And THAT is why I DO NOT want Hillary Clinton to run for President. Don’t get me wrong, I want a woman President at some point, and I wouldn’t mind having HER, but I DO NOT want her husband back in the White House.
I can hear Bill now, if Hillary wins the Presidency. He will be TRASHING Pres. Obama’s 8 years left and right. I think he will be less like George Bush who has kept his ignorant mouth shut since he left, and regained some of his popularity with the equally ignorant American electorate–and more like Dick Cheney, who even though he has had one or both feet in the grave for the last 15 years continues to spew out his war mongering venom, even when he’s on life support.
No, we DO NOT need BOTH Clintons in the White House again at the same time. If she drops her husband–then Maybe.
Zizi!! you are genial!!!!
Well said zizi!
Zizi, thank you so much for this honest and straightforward assessment of Bill Clinton. He talks to damn much and he needs to show President Obama more respect.
One thing I have to say about Bush, he said he would never be critical of the Obama Administration and he has kept his word. Note to Clinton…. Do the same. We don’t want to hear from you.
Had to log in and just say “WoW” “Whew” and “Amen”. Good ol Bill still makes me very, very nervous about ever voting for Hillary. Someone had to say it and who better than Zizi.
Good morning everyone!
Congratulations, Donna for your #1 spot this morning.
Zizi, thank you for needed to be said. It is long over due.
Don, last night your post last night was equally spot on.
The Clintons and Bushs are done!
Bill, your jealousy and ego are showing big time.
Just STFU!
Well done Zizi! Well done!
The decision on Syria is conflicted but I do believe that Iran and Hezbollah gaining a stronghold there figures prominently in the equation. Whatever the case, I trust PBO to have undertaken a thorough and rigorous process and will stand by his decisions to aid opposition forces knowing that it is a very fragile risk.
And while I am here, keep space open as FLOTUS and the First Daughters will be in town soon.
What town will FLOTUS and the first Daughters be in soon?
DUBLIN!!
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/michelles-in-class-of-her-own-with-trip-to-school-29337905.html
Yay! I can’t believe the trip is here already.
Spot on!
Elizabeth Warren and Tim Kaine 2016!
Excellent pushback against schemin’ bill, zizi. If he wants his wife to win, he should just drink plenty of cups of STFU.
I think Clinton just tried to backtrack on Morning Joe……I will have to wait for them to put up the video , I was not paying close attention.
Mika called him on his whisper comments.
Too bad there isn’t a place for him to live which is entirely disconnected from here. My experience comes from the Protestant ministerial milieu. When a minister leaves a church, he has no contact with that church. He does not attend it, he usually has another charge and moves. The congregation needs to give the new pastor their loyalty, and the old pastor should not interfere with relationship building.
Clinton is such a narcissist, that he can’t let go. And when Tweety calls him “President of the World” he truly believes it.
He just cannot keep his mouth shut.
I believe he is actually destroying any chances Hillary had, although he does not realize it. The only people supporting her will be the group of PUMAS who never forgave President Obama for legitimately defeating her.
I admired Cary Grant because he knew when to stop starring in romantic movies, and gracefully bowed out of making movies altogether. There is a time for all of us, and then we have to know when to step out of the spotlight. Clinton just cannot stand not to be in the spotlight, like McCain. As my husband just said, as we’re discussing this, Clinton is a user and an opportunist.
Carolyn, I have ALWAYS admired people who know when their time to step out of the spotlight has come, whether movie star or politician. There is ample scope in the world for Bill Clinton’s talents (see Jimmy Carter) without become an administration critic on tv. He demeans himself, undermines his wife and infuriates Democrats. Clinton could be campaigning for his pal Terry McAuliffe in VA or for Ed Markey in MA. He could be pointing out Republican hypocrisy and actually doing a service to his party. Instead, he’s shooting off his mouth and positioning himself with PBO’s arch critic, McCain. I’ve had it with him.
zizi, an excellent piece. My personal feelings about Clinton run a wide gamut, from respect for a lot of things he does and has done, to disgust at others. One of the things that upsets me most, though, is the fact that he is more than willing to express his views about PBO’s handling of things (both positive and negative views) but the only thing he would say while GWB was driving this country into the ground, both economically and in the eyes of the world, was that, as a former President, it was not his role to comment on what the current President was doing.
I don’t remember him, in 2004, even doing much to support Kerry (at my age, my memory of events may be inaccurate), particularly in the area of criticizing Bush.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMhn03DCAAAK0l_.jpg:large
Apparently he is loosing his sight! No offense to people with vision problems
re above, Bill tweeted mcsane : I think we look better from this angle.
Bravo zizi!!!
thank you
Bill Clinton is the reason why Hillary wasn’t VP, and he will be the reason why if she runs alot of people who might support her won’t. All because of Bill Clinton.
I will not be voting for Hillary. Joe Biden for President
My feeling about this Debra: I do not think Joe will run. He has been blessed with working with this President and he knows that. I think he will continue to participate in whatever POTUS decides to do when he leaves office. They are partners for life!
I hope someone else will run. I can not see voting for Hillary and it is because of Bill Clinton
I hope Elizabeth Warren runs…I think she would be the perfect natural successor to President Obama.
Layla, I so hope that Joe Biden does not run. He does himself and us a disservice to think that
his VPOTUS status even remotely sets him up for POTUS . . . . not following this magnificent President.
I pray for Joe that he knows his good fortune, and does not reach beyond himself.
I can get behind that much as I love Joe. Out with the old guard, in with the new. No Clinton’s, no Bush folk, no hold overs. New blood!
So far I like Martin O’Mally and Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris and Patrik Deval
These are good options. I can warm up to these people, not like PBO, but I can work with them.
I respectfully disagree! Joe Biden, if he runs, would be the most qualified person to be President. I know people are concerned about his age, but he seems to be in good health and his mind is always sharp. Here in California, the most populous state, we elected a seventy-two year old governor and he has managed to turn the state around. Joe Biden is my #1 choice. I would take Joe Biden any time over Hillary Clinton.
Joe Biden is my current #1 choice, as well. In my opinion, sitting right next to – and advising – President Obama has given him a first hand experience of what it takes to be President. He successfully executed all the major initiatives that President Obama signed into law, he shares a lot of the President’s views – and in some ways, seems to be even more to the left of President Obama. He’s a whiz at foreign policy, cares about people and has a lifetime of serious service to point to – with integrity. His only asset coming into the White House was his home – he didn’t make deals and become a millionaire while somehow registering his $100K salary for 30 years, like some others in Congress. If Joe Biden chooses to run, I’ll do everything in my power to work for him.
Agree with you and nathkatun. NO Clinton dynasty.
“If Joe Biden chooses to run, I’ll do everything in my power to work for him.”
Me too, Theo! I am that committed! And thank you for highlighting all the things I admire and respect about VP Biden. To be honest he was my # choice before President Obama burst on the scene. He is the most genuine and the most caring politician I’ve known ever since he was elected to the Senate. At the time, he was he was only four years older than me. It’s remarkable how dedicated and consistent Joe Biden has been in over forty years in public service.
Regardless of That Clown she’s married to, if she runs, I’m not voting fo her. She needs to end her political career on a high note. Let it go Clinton’s.
you beat that azz, zizi!!!
This made me LOL!!!
😆 😆 😆
Barack Obama has vexed the Washington establishment.
First of all, many probably felt that he had not paid his dues and checked the boxes that would give him dibs to be President. He is not in the club, nor does he want to be. He did not kiss the rings of the godfathers and even now refuses to kowtow to them.
Barack Obama is a puzzle that they are unable to solve. They can’t label him. He does not act or react the way they expect him to. It has literally become a mission to discredit him to the point that all their efforts are going to this cause to the detriment of the jobs they are supposed do.
They can’t seem to intimidate him, embarrass him, or defame him. They can’t assassinate his character. I won’t say they can’t anger him. He is no doubt angered daily. But he does not show his anger the way they want him to. He does not allow his anger to make him act recklessly or make rash decisions. He does not lose his footing when the rules are changed or the goalposts are moved. He has shown that he is a better strategist than they are.
They can’t seem to destroy the loyalty of Barack Obama’s true supporters. And it is annoying to them that he can’t seem to diminish his prominence on the world’s stage.
The establishment is vexed and it has caused so much chaos in their organization that they have no clear direction of their platform or messaging.
Well said, swbluega. They never took the time to understand the unique phenomenon that is Barack Obama. They could have enhanced all of their reputations by working with him and proving to the world that they were people of stature, rather than small-minded bigots. They’ve blown it with their decision to embrace hatred.
An excellent coda to zizi’s commentary. “They could have enhanced all of their reputations by working with him and proving to the world that they were people of stature, rather than small-minded bigots.” Yes they could have and think of how much better off we would be and they could have claimed some of the credit! They have nothing now. Embracing hatred is right – in a full-force bear hug.
Typo: “…annoying to them that THEY can’t seem to diminish his prominence…”
^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Zizi – well done on this well-placed article. You reminded me of many things I’d forgotten. You could include the fact that Clinton wrote a book undermining the President’s economic recovery plan, and detailed (right before the 2010 elections) how he would have healed the economy better than President Obama (in his opinion).
President Obama took over a country that had fallen behind developing countries in education, growth, innovation, health statistics, environmental protection. The country was embroiled in financial scandals and corporate mismanagement – to the point that it was on the brink of destruction. There were two wars in progress – one of which was illegal. Where was Clinton’s voice when all this stuff was happening? Why didn’t he issue words of advice to the GOP? Where was Clinton during the campaign, when the GOP were proposing the exact same policies that created these messes? Where has he ever said a word against the GOP – outside of the Dem Convention? We even have Clinton on tape offering to help Paul Ryan sell his disastrous plan to kill Medicare and Medicaid! Clinton is a disaster.
swbluega, you have stated it so eloquently and spot on. He’s really not as complicated as they make him out to be, he’s just a well-adjusted, well-balanced person…and they are not.
“First of all, many probably felt that he had not paid his dues and checked the boxes that would give him dibs to be President.”
My problem with this is what dues had either Bill Clinton, or George W. Bush paid? Clinton was a governor of a backward state whose population is only one fourth of Illinois. What foreign policy credentials do you bring to the presidency by being a governor of Arkansas? George W. Bush was 11/2 term governor. His whole experience in government was just 6 years. Whereas President Obama served 8 years in the Illinois legislature, one of the largest state in the Union, and then served four years in the United States Senate, again representing a state whose population is about 4 times that of Arkansas. Needless to say that President Obama had more govt. experience than many other Presidents, including one of the great ones, Abraham Lincoln. Like Obama, Lincoln’s political experience was in the Illinois legislature. He only served one term (that’s just 2 years) in the U.S. House of Representatives. And then there is Hillary Clinton, how many years of government experience did she have? A total of 8 years compared to Barack Obama’s 12 years. The bottom line is President Obama is “a puzzle” because he is Black and Black people are not supposed to aspire,let alone get elected, to be President of the United States.
Good West Coast morning Chipsticks & TOD family.
WOWZA zizi !! Excellent!!!
Mooooorning everyone, mooooorning Zizi – thank you SO much for posting this!
I was in the middle of doing R&S when my computer crashed – so I’ve been kicking it for the last 30 minutes. Now using my laptop, which is also malfunctioning a bit. I blame VC for all of this, she started the computery problems.
So Zizi, your timing was perfect. I haven’t had a chance to read all your post yet, but looking forward to it once I get R&S done.
Will post in the next hour, in the mean time light candles for my computer.
😕
Hi Chips,
I am so sorry for your computer glitches. I hope the repair is coming along well. You know what, I stayed up all night on both twitter, then writing this piece. I cued it up on delayed timer then went to bed. i just now woke up. So I hope I have not scrambled your R&S release timing. Take care.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=PBO
The British government has warned airlines not to allow an ex-CIA employee who leaked secret US surveillance details to fly to the UK, reports say.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22902098
Karma.
“No country for assholes”
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
I’m not a psychologist, and I don’t pretend to play one. But it does say something about a man that seems to always sabotage his wife’s work, I say this because the easiest thing for Bill Clinton to do is to sit back and not say anything that could be taken the wrong way about President Obama. Even George Bush had the common sense to say “President Obama deserves my silence” when he was asked about President Obama.
I would be lying if I said that I don’t have any issues with Hillary, but at the end of a sure to be brutal primary in 2016 if she’s the last one standing, I will vote for her, only because she will have the ability to carry on the work of President Obama.
Wouldn’t some of the things BC says to try to taint President Obama also taint HRC since she had a significant role during the first term?
Of course it would taint Hillary, but Bill being the narcissist that he is he doesn’t care about collateral damage. In his eyes it’s the cost of doing business.
I think I would want to keep my distance from anyone who sees collateral damage as the cost of doing business; especially if there is no seeming care as to who/what that collateral damage is. Of course there are those that might discount their potential of being collateral damage.
Very few voters are going to remember what Bill Clinton said in 2013 if Hillary runs in 2016. I just don’t see this tainting her. By now everyone knows that’s par for the course for Bill Clinton.
I am not a psychologist either, but I think you are spot-on by pointing out that Bill Clinton is a “narcissist.”
Well, I think in many ways he’s not only displaying his insufferable narcissism, he’s also trying to telegraph the differences between PBO and HRC in an attempt to set up HRC’s run. It will surely backfire.
And the differences between PBO and HRC worked out so well for HRC in 2008.
Exactly. They are seriously tone deaf.
President Obama has EARNED our loyalty. Any disturbance from that premise makes me FURIOUS.
Yeah. If HRC is serious about running in 2016, Bill’s efforts may result in the need for damage control.
Excellent Cesca column on how Snowden’s and Greenwald’s claims are disintegrating around them. http://thedailybanter.com/2013/06/snowden-and-greenwald-beginning-to-self-destruct-the-nation-and-mother-jones-raise-questions/
Just finished a phone conversation with a friend who was at the McCain summit. He said the media has sliced and diced what Clinton said and taken it totally out of context. He is a BIG Obama supporter. He said, “Clinton has certainly had his times when he pissed me off with his unsolicited opinions, but in this case they are lying.” He said they (Clinton and McCain) knew President Obama was already giving Syria support through the CIA and they also knew he was weighing the decision to expand the efforts.
Him: “The Republicans want a war and McCain is mad we pulled out of Iraq, wants to stay in Afghanistan forever. He said he wouldn’t be surprised if McCain didn’t kill those people with sarin himself. 🙂
I hope this is true because Clinton can be very narcissistic. But if he knew this information he really shouldn’t have made a comment like he was giving some needed advice.
My friend says if they had put what he said in context, no one would be offended. He said Clinton talked about the difficulty of making decisions to enter conflicts and spoke mostly about his own blunders and they’re making it sound like he was talking about President Obama. I’ve known him 30 years and I trust him.
I hope the press corrects their reporting but I know they won’t.
Is there a transcript or video clip of what Bill Clinton said? My second question, why Bill Clinton “at the McCain summit….”?
So the story came from Politico and it turns out they are again lying ?
They want a war!
Wow do you use the word “wuss” in the correct context when referring to PBO? I don’t care how you slice or dice it, it is still an insult.
Correction…”How”
Good Morning fellow TODers,
I just woke up after staying up all night, first tweeting about Bill Clinton’s remarks, then deciding to write a diary about it for folks here. I cued it up, then went to bed. Thanks so much for the feedback, and I apologize to not being available to respond to any comments when the post went up.
I know we have to always think of the unity and health of our Democratic and Obama coalition, but I just had to get this stuff off my chest.
Genius post, zizi2. Everything we have all been stressed about eloquently put. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Zizi, your post is superb. If you read my comment, you know I spoke with someone who said this last comment was not as they’re framing it, but old Bill has made enough underhanded statements there is no reason to give him the benefit of a doubt. You framed it perfectly…he should just shut up.
I agree with you FayPax. Let this be a lesson for Bill that we are watching him and he will not get a pass if he criticizes the President.
It seemed like it was written from the heart and gut. One of those things that keeps you up until you express it. Thanks for sharing.
I’m coming to this post late, but I want to thank you for this excellent rant.
Good Morning Chips and TOD family. Zizi, Brilliantly stated. Thank you for speaking this truth. “It’s been a long time coming.”
(((((((((((((((((( Thank you so much. You brought more sunshine into my space.))))))))))))))))))))))HZ
morning all!
Righteous takedown, zizi! Couldn’t have said it better myself. I would rather wait than give weapons and troops to AQ, thank you very much.
Great to see you LL. You have written two great essays this week too. Hope you’re feeling better.
Aww LL,
Hope you are feeling better. I wish I could send you a nice tall glass of chilled passion fruit & mango juice to pep you up this morning. Take care
LIVE NOW: Newtown, CT Six Months Later: http://www.cbsnews.com/liveFeed/widget.shtml
Meta, EXACTLY!!!! They are traitors to our country and should be treated as such.
This is the greatest scandal in our government at the moment.
Good Morning. Great post Zizi. Putting to words what I think but can’t express. Another reminder. . .
Thanks. Happy Flag Day All 😉
Here’s a Salute to the Flag, by Marvin Gaye in 1983
Thanks Nena.
😎
These right wing radical nuts would object to Marvin singing it like that.
Since I know I’m gonna be pretty busy this weekend I thought I’d get this in now. 😉
President Obama should have gotten Father of the Year award and Husband of the Year. He is doing an excellent job at both.
Oh, my beautiful Chip, I have a candle burning for your computer. Seriously. I am sipping my fresh peppermint tea and speaking goodness over Chips computers. ((((((((((((((( Loving words spoken out into the universe for our beautiful, and brilliant Chips.)))))))))))))))))HZ
Sooo funny!
Was that ever a discussion on Mour_ning Jo_ke for those who watched today?
I will guess, Heck No 😉
What happened on morning joe this morning?
I don’t know Don. I didn’t watch the show. I am posing a question. I am sorry.
Yes, it was….
Zizi2, thank you very much. For Newtown: http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=PBO
Oh my Goodness. Truth. Smackdown. Facts. Brilliant. Fantastic.
Holy Smokes. Great Job. Needed to be said, told and advocated.
Thank You. Thank You.
Morning all TODbots, TODers, TODvillers. Etc 😉
Take a minute to laugh:
Man calls 999 to complain prostitute is too ugly
“The caller claimed that the woman had made out she was better looking than she actually was and he wished to report her for breaching the Sale of Goods Act.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/man-calls-999-to-complain-prostitute-is-too-ugly-8658100.html
LOL!!. In other words he sobered up.
I got to admit I thought he did pretty good with that GMA interview. The problem was the interviewer who just was determined to carry GOP water and hurl a whole bunch of negative in order to divide and conquer. I thought Clinton handled it very well. Recently however? Not so much.
Bill Clinton is trying harder…..by Willy, I think that the answer is in his behavior as was brilliantly illustrated by Our Fine Zizi2.
Bill didn’t have to compete with GW Bush. He knew he was smarter and a more capable POTUS. GH Bush, he had defeated. Reagan, though Glorified by his followers today was never a match for Clinton. Heck, Clinton was “canonized” as the 1st Black pres by a well known and respected African American Author, Ms. Walker(?).
The alpha Dog, Bubba, can’t handle a well adjusted, smarter, skilled, you name it Guy, who is solidly comfortable in his own Biracial skin. Clinton is forever struggling for someone and all to validate him. Is it any wonder that he does this time after time? No.
This is still irking me. Clinton was called every name in the book and here he is…..over the years, using languages that reveal the Clinton that scares him……he unmasks himself.
A very late and very short R&S:
http://theobamadiary.com/2013/06/14/rise-and-shine-528/
Back with more news in a while, still battling a computer disaster! See ya in a bit.
Zizi – Darlin’, you definitely speak for me. Thank you for this magnificent post!
What clear-minded (husband of a potential) Democratic presidential candidate for 2016 would put down the current fully successful Democratic President of the United States and think that will work to help (his wife the potential candidate) win OUR support? (He’s forgettin’ those parentheticals, because it’s not about him.)
I’ve told my granddaughters: If you have to put someone else down to make yourself look better, you’re already not lookin’ so good to me.
Ha! If only Bill knew he should be taking MY advice, also, too, eh?
Exceptionally well done, Zizi. Thank you!!!
#TrustBarack
Hope that this essay gets circulated around the Internet and gets the attention of our president. People kill me wanting to go to war with “OPC”s” (Other people’s children). Let’s hope that Clinton and McCain are not given any more media attention and that the president’s cool, calm method of dealing with a crisis will prevail.
Great piece, Zizi! Your “memo” should be sent to Bill Clinton and the media that can’t stop stroking his ego. Clinton was absolutely quiet during the George W. Bush presidency, but now, all of a sudden, he is everywhere second guessing President Obama. But even more infuriating he is doing so publicly, and in this case siding with Republicans. If Bill Clinton were a real statesman, he would pick up the phone and share his thoughts with the President privately. I am sure the President would even invite him to talk privately. He, of all people, should know that we have only one President at a time. He got his chance to be president. He did some things right, but he also screwed up on many other things that people have pointed out. I am sure he would never have tolerated, Jimmy Carter second guessing every thing he did that Carter disagreed with. Like many people here I am through with Bill Clinton. While I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee of the Democratic party in 2016, I would prefer somebody else besides her.
Thank you!
Me too. I am sick of the Clintons and they better watch out.