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  1. 1 utaustinliberal
    June 11, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    • 2 hopefruit2
      June 11, 2013 at 9:49 pm

      Thank you, and congrats ut on #1.

      I’m sick of these regressives trying to co-opt the civil rights movements – with their deranged fantasies that their smug, entitled, privileged asses belong to some kind of oppressed group.

      MY ARSE!

    • 3 Layla
      June 11, 2013 at 9:50 pm

      This is all so upsetting, I am tearing up here!!!

    • 5 nathkatun7
      June 12, 2013 at 2:37 am

      Thanks UT for your tireless efforts! I left my comments on a previous thread about the revolting behavior of Chris Hayes and others dragging the names of Dr. King and Rosa Parks in the mud by comparing them to this traitor. Snowden is not even like Daniel Ellsberg! At least he was man enough to stay in the country and face the consequences. I was also repulsed by the media agreeing to interview Glenn Greenwald in Hong Kong, China, on the subject of releasing classified information that severely compromised the security of the United States.

    • 7 arapaho415
      June 11, 2013 at 9:52 pm

      Sounds like you’re getting your old spark back! I know you’re still on the mend (and in pain 😦 unfortunately), but you’ve got your spunk back!

      If you missed this last week, the MSM conjours up “controversy” where it doesn’t exist, not just with our President’s “scandalabra,” but apparently with anything related to race. I think this is because the MSM and Fox News are the only ones who actually take the Tea Party and RWNJs seriously.

      • June 11, 2013 at 9:57 pm

        I’ve been reading a lot but since my mind is clearer and I have more energy, I am making an effort to engage in the topics. I’ve missed it.

        I love that Cheerios ad. These males over 50 better take some aspirin and deal with reality.

  2. 16 hopefruit2
    June 11, 2013 at 9:47 pm


    Snowjob = ZERO

    Any questions?

  3. 20 utaustinliberal
    June 11, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    This is a hero.

  4. 21 utaustinliberal
    June 11, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    • 22 arapaho415
      June 11, 2013 at 9:54 pm

      Congrats on #1, Twitter Warrior extraordinaire!

      Someone needs to get Hayes to watch this interview that the loathsome upChuckTodd had yesterday with the author of the book “Dying for Joe McCarthy’s Sins.”

      Lester Hunt was the only Senator who has committed suicide in his Senate office, and it happened in 1953 after he was threatened by J. Edgar Hoover because of his gay son (who is still alive).

      Lester Hunt was a Wyoming Senator, and the author believes that same sex marriage would have happened decades earlier if McCarthy hadn’t stigmatized this orientation, claiming that gays/lesbians were “security risks.”

      My point is that Hayes has no idea what he’s talking about when it comes to J. Edgar Hoover. I can’t stand to watch him. He’s too hyper, he was obviously the fastest (and loudest) talker in his dorm room. (reposted from the end of the previous thread.)

      • 23 jackiegrumbacher
        June 11, 2013 at 10:33 pm

        Arapaho, thank you for this reminder. McCarthy was a serious sick and twisted man as was J Edgar Hoover. Their agendas were driven by dark demons in their souls and their own self-loathing. Anyone who makes a comparison between these true sickos and the legal framework under which National security is conducted today is themselves disturbed.

  5. 25 arapaho415
    June 11, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    Also this from the last thread:

  6. 29 Ladyhawke
    June 11, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    NSA Leaks, Nuance & Me

    By Oliver Willis


    First off, that’s not for Snowden and the Guardian to decide. We decide these things, in flawed but consistent regular elections of our representatives in the government. If we are to be transparent with our efforts to fight cyberwar, let the American people decide at the ballot. Nobody elected Snowden and company to make these disclosures based on their ideology – again, no civil liberty violations, no people being tortured or killed – this was a document detailing our defenses and contingencies in the field of cyberwarfare. Its disclosure was a matter of a difference of opinion, not an appeal against the state abusing its power.

    And in both instances, the one I understand and the one that enrages me, Snowden broke the law. He broke the law and then unlike others, he escaped to foreign soil.

    Ah, nuance. I don’t like it.



    • 30 jackiegrumbacher
      June 11, 2013 at 10:40 pm

      Oliver Wills is so on point, as usual, LH. What kind of society are we when anyone can break the law at will, reveal security measures that are protecting millions and then be hailed as a hero? Perhaps those on the extremes who have no faith at all in any aspect of government as defined in the US Constitution, should find another country whose government they trust. China? Russia? To paraphrase PBO, if you don’t trust the Executive, the Congress (with your elected reps) or the Judiciary then YOU have problems.

      • 31 Churchlady320
        June 11, 2013 at 11:07 pm

        I’m sad that Daniel Ellsberg is hailing Snowden as a hero. Ellsberg took the responsibility for what he did and did not just dump generalizations and lies on us all. Whistleblowing is NOT breeching security after less than three months. This is a set up but has had the unintended consequences of making us look at PRIVATIZATION and its evils. But no one does this, runs away to China and Russia as “lands of free speech” and has ANY cred left at all. The courts confronted the Patriot Act and unwarranted wiretaps, and we made huge progress. Now Al Franken and others are moving to rein in the contractors and things NOT yet in our control. So the best outcome will be affirmation of MORE rights to stand with those civil and human rights groups got done. But Snowden? Not a hero. Not a fighter for democracy. A narcissistic grandstander who may have done incalculable harm. Bah!

        • 32 jackiegrumbacher
          June 12, 2013 at 9:16 am

          Ellsberg is 82 years old, Churchlady. It’s disappointing that he’s lost his perspective, but I’m willing to cut him some slack.

  7. 33 arapaho415
    June 11, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    • June 11, 2013 at 10:09 pm

      This is one silly debate to me. Rape and sexual assault are crimes. What’s to debate?

      • 35 arapaho415
        June 11, 2013 at 10:21 pm

        This issue is near and dear to the military brass.

        They fought the idea of removing “chain of command” from the decision-making process.

        Not a big deal to civilians, but it is for military officers. And if Senator Gillibrand hadn’t worked so hard for these changes, the result would most likely have been the status quo.

        Those in power usually don’t welcome change.

  8. 36 utaustinliberal
    June 11, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    People are rightfully pissed. You do not besmirch MLK and comparing him to a coward like Snowden is an insult to MLK.

  9. June 11, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    what MLK said about Rosa Parks:

    It was an individutal expression of a timeless longing for human dignity and freedom. She was not “planted” there by the NAACP, or any other organization; she was planted there by her personal sense of dignity and self-respect. She was anchored to that seat by the accumulated indignities of days gone by and the boundless aspirations of generations yet unborn. She was a victim of both the forces of history and the forces of destiny. She had been tracked down by the Zeitgeist—the spirit of the time. Fortunately, Mrs. Parks was ideal for the role assigned to her by history. She was a charming person with a radiant personality, soft spoken and calm in all situations. Her character was impeccable and her dedication deep-rooted. All of these traits together made her one of the most respected people in the Negro community.

    —Martin Luther King, Jr., “Stride Toward Freedom”

  10. 43 hopefruit2
    June 11, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Didn’t take this other privileged phuck (Silver) to weigh in – and he bases his “assessment” of what Snowden did on the fact that “some columns” lambasting him are “terrible.”

    • 53 nospin
      June 11, 2013 at 10:13 pm

      passed Bobfr. A+++

    • 55 Bobfr
      June 11, 2013 at 10:13 pm

      Hi Chips, used my email address, after clearing all twitter related login info, and was finally able to post. Will do some additional tests.

      In the meantime, H/T to df & LH for their fine dialogue two threads back that inspired this tweet ….


      • June 11, 2013 at 10:19 pm

        Ah, great to see you back in Bob, I don’t know what the heck is going on with the log-ins.

      • 57 Bobfr (aka Our4thEstate)
        June 11, 2013 at 10:22 pm

        Hi Chips, so, no matter which browser I use, and even though I can RT tweets from the TOD site and am thus certainly logged in to Twitter, any attempt to validate my comments via link to my Twitter account is being blocked. Will just stick with my email login for now.


      • 59 desertflower
        June 11, 2013 at 10:51 pm

        THIS.THIS.THIS.THIS.THIS! We have a Supreme Ct that says corporations are people, that money is speech..and we have private companies running our national security at great expense to the nation…in money AND in justice/ fairness. There is a revolving door from govt to private contractors and back again. We need to separate the govt from the corporations and take money and influence out of the equation. Until we do that, we’re screwed. People need to take a hard, honest look in the mirror.

        • 60 Bobfr (aka Our4thEstate)
          June 11, 2013 at 10:59 pm

          Stay on it, df! I certainly will 🙂


          • 61 MightyPamela
            June 11, 2013 at 11:15 pm

            Looking from this perspective, so well stated, is it any wonder they hate PBO so desperately? He is seeing it all clearly now, from the inside, and he knows what needs to be done to move the country and ALL the people forward. Which, in turn, will benefit the world.

            • 62 Bobfr (aka Our4thEstate)
              June 11, 2013 at 11:18 pm

              “He is seeing it all clearly now, from the inside, and he knows what needs to be done to move the country and ALL the people forward. Which, in turn, will benefit the world.”

              Absolutely, MP, and that scares the #NEOCONSTERS, #KOCHSTERS, and #MIC plutocrats big-time.

              #TrustBarack He Is Ike’s Revenge On The MIC

      • 63 a4alice
        June 11, 2013 at 11:19 pm

        spot on bob!

  11. June 11, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    There’s a great phrase here: “hacker drama”. Most people know about Bradley Manning, but Adrian Lamo not so much. Many hackers viewed his action as “treasonous” for turning in Manning.

    For me, “hacktivist drama” sums up the current brouhaha.

  12. 65 anniebella
    June 11, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    Just because Silver was right about calling a election, doesn’t make him a saint.

    • 66 hopefruit2
      June 11, 2013 at 10:25 pm

      Actually, he underestimated PBO’s final margin – both electorally and popular counts.

      • 67 anniebella
        June 11, 2013 at 11:11 pm

        So his opinion don’t mean any more than ours do, and I for one think Snowden is a coward, he is not a hero and he is not to be compared to MLK, KFC maybe.

    • 68 gn
      June 11, 2013 at 10:36 pm

      He was ultimately correct, but he definitely had his moments in terms of going along with the pack and repeating beltway conventional wisdoms. Spandan was the much stronger electoral analyst, by a mile: http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2012/10/nate-silvers-mythical-state-national.html

      Silver’s overrated and he always has been. Too “Kool Kiddish” and too inclined to co-sign the beltway media clique.

    • 73 lisalovesobama
      June 11, 2013 at 11:03 pm

      It’s what happens when you drink your own kool-aid, you become delirious. Nate Silver is an idiot, always has been, always will be.

      • June 12, 2013 at 12:50 am

        Well, Nate Silver kept me sane through the ’08 elections and his predictions were pretty accurate. He changed when he went to work for the Times and probably had to be more ‘balanced’ than he did on his own website. I think the twitter comment is kind of stupid, but I don’t think he is stupid, although he is sometimes a bit full of himself.

  13. June 11, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    I’m going to have to write another essay on Chris Hayes, aren’t I. Fuck me.

    • 76 hopefruit2
      June 11, 2013 at 10:24 pm

      Indeed. We have your back, LL. Looking forward to reading your essay and disseminating it.

      • 77 carolyn
        June 11, 2013 at 10:38 pm

        Yes, LL. Please write it, and somehow we’ll have to get it to him.
        I don’t tweet, and can’t find how to email Chris, but I so want to write him and tell him how he comes off to people…..condescending, arrogant, callow ,speaking always from white male privilege…….I’m old enough to be his mother, and feel like giving him the lecture his mother needs to. He needs to grow up and experience some rough times, and learn to LISTEN to those who know more than he does. There is a very clear, understandable reason his viewership has fallen so dramatically. It will continue to do so. MSNBC is sunk as long as they keep him.

    • 78 jacquelineoboomer
      June 11, 2013 at 10:36 pm

      Go for it, honey. We need it.

    • 79 Churchlady320
      June 11, 2013 at 11:13 pm

      If it’s any help, LL, we always read what you write. Sorry if you have to write what you are tired of discussing though!

  14. 80 Ladyhawke
    June 11, 2013 at 10:22 pm


    A good start in bringing transparency to NSA spying

    By Greg Sargent


    Here’s a good test of whether we’ll see any real improvement on the transparency front: A bipartisan group of senators has introduced a bill that would declassify key legal opinions reached by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that make the gathering of these records possible. Who in Congress will support it?

    Keep in mind: This bill would not change any of the existing programs; it would only shed more light on the legal justification for them. Would such disclosure compromise national security? As Adam Serwer explains:



    • June 11, 2013 at 10:28 pm

      two links from Senator Franken’s website:

      Sen. Franken Pushes to Increase Transparency of Federal Surveillance Programs
      “There needs to be a balance between Americans’ right to privacy and the government’s responsibility to keep Americans safe,” said Sen. Franken. “And ensuring that the court overseeing surveillance programs is as transparent as possible is a key step toward reaching that balance. This legislation will help make the process more open to the American people and to the people of Minnesota.”

      and i also noticed:

      Sen. Franken Presses Tech Firm to Stop Tracking Consumers without Their Permission
      “It’s one thing to track someone’s shopping habits through a loyalty card or credit card purchase; folks understand that their information may be collected,” said Sen. Franken. “It’s another thing entirely to track consumers’ movements without their permission as they shop, especially when someone doesn’t buy anything or even enter a store. People have a fundamental right to privacy, and I think neglecting to ask consumers for their permission to track them violates that right.”

      • June 12, 2013 at 12:11 am

        northanger, this situation in which online stores track consumers reminds me of a pretty funny thing that happened to me just lately. About 20 years ago I bought a “man cut” robe, rayon but heavy enough for chilly mornings and it was (and is) all over big flowers on a black background. Roomy. Big enough pockets in front to hold a paperback mystery. I loved it but all things wear out and this robe has gone from frayed cuffs, hems, and lapels to a worn elbow with a hole big enough that I’d mistakenly put an arm through it more than once. Now that I’m getting disabled person visits I had to give up wearing something so disreputable.

        However, as I’m faced with tossing this very old friend n the trash, I visited the original seller — Victoria’s Secret. Nothing like it offered, but as I moved to TOD, the comics, editorial cartoons, local news (very rural here) Victoria’s Secret ads followed me everywhere. Me, a 84-year-old with a shattered hip sporting busty Victoria’s Secret models lolling all over my computer screen!

        I showed my daughters this display, laughing at the memory of this first “scandal” coming out during the Bush administration and the weak-kneed response to it, plus my vow then to preface my calls to my Ames Iowa daughter with a “Hello Bush listener, how are you today?”

        Never actually did it though and I’m not surprised that I never heard the kind of outrage about that revelation of that kind of eaves dropping as we’re hearing now.

        Wonder why?

        • June 12, 2013 at 12:43 am

          Joan, thanks for writing this! :D.

          “Hello Bush listener, how are you today?”

          I think you nailed it right there. Seriously. That’s when we knew our country “went somewhere” (or, as Cheney famously said, “the dark side”).

          Here’s hoping Victoria’s Secret stops stalking you online 🙂

        • 84 jackiegrumbacher
          June 12, 2013 at 9:24 am

          Of course, the reaction to the Bush spying was muted. It’s okay if you’re Republican. All the rules for expansive surveillance were set up for Republican presidents. When Democratic presidents use them, they’re a scandal. It’s so predictable, it’s funny. The GOP underestimated PBO from the beginning–thought he would be weak on counter terrorism and not use the tools he was given. When he did use and use them effectively, they panicked.

    • 85 Ladyhawke
      June 11, 2013 at 10:44 pm

      Thanks so much for these excellent links northanger. I thought Senator Franken nailed it when he said ‘So anything the American people know, the ‘bad guys know’. It’s such a simple statement but It captures the essence of the conundrum – what is the right balance between national security and privacy. What is the right amount of transparency? I am glad Al is on this committee. He comes across as a serious a dedicated public servant trying to grapple with a very difficult task. I am so proud of him.

    • 87 Ladyhawke
      June 11, 2013 at 10:53 pm

      Franken and Group of Bipartisan Senators Try to Shine a Little Light on the Patriot Act

      By: Sarah Jones


      Where are the alleged freedom lovers on this bill? Words are relatively worthless, whereas legislation speaks volumes. You are either for reasonable transparency or you are not. But for those who argue that this is the exact same thing as what the Bush administration did, a history lesson is in order. President Bush’s order was unconstitutional, and even went around the court. His administration required no warrant for actual wiretapping. Obama is not Bush, and anyone making that argument is “misunderestimating” the egregious history of civil liberties under George W. Bush.

      Under Obama, NSA is engaging in a legal, classified program whereas Bush bypassed the legal process all together. One was secret from the public, the other was secret from the public and also the courts. One was legal, one was illegal.

      Good legislation that balances our privacy with national security in a reasonably transparent manner is the way to shine a real light on the Patriot Act.



    • 88 Churchlady320
      June 11, 2013 at 11:18 pm

      Far too little attention – or even Google ability to recall the info – has been devoted to court cases mostly at the appellate level that undermined or even eradicated part of the “Bush doctrine” in the surveillance and detention issues in the Patriot Act. What amazed me was that this current adminstration, stuck with the existing Bush arguments in cases, let them proceed, got the court decisions gutting the Bush premises – and then LET THOSE DECISIONS STAND. They could have appealed to the increasingly conservative SCOTUS, but they did NOT. So by accepting the appellate decisions, many improvements such as the requirement for FISA warrants are now in full force. That said, I’m all for Franken’s move to make clear to us what is happening when it does not thwart the ability to track people who wish to kill us. But overall the lost messages in all of this lie with very little coverage of court decisions, the current White House acceptance of increased rights for Americans and all people in how national security proceeds, and in the things we have won because of this strategy. Even knowing all this, Snowden would have done what he did – creating more democratic institutions is NOT his goal – self promotion IS.

  15. 89 arapaho415
    June 11, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    What is wrong with this Millennial generation of reporters that they don’t understand what treason is?

    Were spy novels absent from their childhoods?

    Apparently Edward Snowden is a hero in China (small data sample).

    • 90 hopefruit2
      June 11, 2013 at 10:37 pm

      Sorry I don’t believe in the validity of this report. And the data sample is small, and probably not representative. Snowden is no hero outside of the entitled Libertarian/emoprog contingent of the US. Otherwise he would not be considering Russia of all places to run and hide. No country wants him.

    • June 11, 2013 at 11:02 pm

      irony 🙂

      Chinese Web Users React to PRISM: The End of the Affair with Google and Apple?
      Some users have jokingly noted that American dissidents may soon seek asylum in China, just as Chinese citizens like Chen Guangcheng have sought protection in the United States.

    • 92 Churchlady320
      June 11, 2013 at 11:21 pm

      Millennials are into self promotion, and Snowden fits that meme. They don’t understand that heroes sacrifice for their cause, they don’t run away, live in luxury, and look for book deals. I blame “FAME”, the TV show that gave support to the idea that fame, per se, is a goal. NOT doing something for the sake of talent, justice, change. “Everyone will remember my name.” BFD.

  16. 93 jacquelineoboomer
    June 11, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    Sorry to bring this onto this “Hero” post, but ENOUGH. I hereby present evidence that Chris Hayes, who is by far the least common denominator of the MSM, has dragged me into the swamp with him. His stupidity is monumental.

  17. 106 arapaho415
    June 11, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    And from this morning:

    This isn’t 100% analogous, but in Dec 2011, Claire MacCaskill was on Maddow’s show to discuss contractor waste (fraud) in Afghanistan. I’m sure there’s plenty of domestic fraud related to military contracts as well.

  18. June 11, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    What’s this about the State Dept? another scandal?

  19. June 11, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    Data, data everywhere
    “We are at a different period because of so much information,” says James Cortada of IBM, who has written a couple of dozen books on the history of information in society. Joe Hellerstein, a computer scientist at the University of California in Berkeley, calls it “the industrial revolution of data”. The effect is being felt everywhere, from business to science, from government to the arts. Scientists and computer engineers have coined a new term for the phenomenon: “big data”.


    • June 11, 2013 at 10:56 pm

      i think this THIS is the main driver of everything… if you get my meaning.

      Majority of Media, Entertainment Revenue Will Come From Digital by 2015, Study Finds
      Media and entertainment companies say that 47 percent of their overall revenues currently come from digital products, according to a new report by professional services firm Ernst & Young. Further, they project that by 2015 a majority of their income, or 57 percent, will be generated from digital sales.

      “The media and entertainment industry has been on a digital journey for quite some time, but when you drill down into the data in advertising, in social media, in film and in broadcast and cable, you see that the digital transition isn’t this thing of tomorrow to keep in the back of the mind, it’s here,” John Nendick, Ernst & Young’s global head of media and entertainment, said.

      How The Cloud And Big Data Are Changing Entertainment

      • 110 99ts
        June 11, 2013 at 11:43 pm

        I think you are right – the day of the newspaper/TV pundit/reporter is OVER.

        • June 12, 2013 at 12:32 am

          Reminds me of when silent movies got sound & audiences learned how certain voices failed to fit the image of manly men and beautiful women. Today TVQ morphs into SocialMediaQ and… interesting how many verified Twitter accounts are being deleted. By getting re-elected, President Obama proved he didn’t need the MSM, and that a 21st century president *can* get his message to the American people. Despite Citizens United, million-dollar PACs and lies, skewed polls and a fractured media.

          We voted and a majority of us said: it’s a-ok to be President while Black.

          what a mandate!

  20. June 11, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    have never heard MLK invoked so much as defense/argument for everything outside of Black History Month pre-2008, have you?

  21. 115 jacquelineoboomer
    June 11, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    Chips – One word and one photograph says it all. Thank you for always knowing the right time and the right place to give us the right message.

    I would like to add that all night, when I’ve seen coverage of the 50-year anniversary of JFK’s civil rights speech, I have felt alarmingly disheartened. Many of us, although young, lived through that time. I realize JFK’s speech was a turning point, and I admired him greatly. But two thoughts come to mind. First, we have our own human rights and civil rights and women’s rights champion in President Obama in the current day, and the same media pushing the 50-year anniversary of JFK’s speech barely give coverage to similar, real-time speeches of President Obama, before moving on to their own cheap punditry. Those speeches, I guess, will have to wait 50 years to be heralded as much and commemorated for their important content (except among all of us who get it!). Second, it wasn’t JFK who was out marching, although I realize not as much would have changed at that particular time without his leadership; it was the hero Dr. King and all the others who marched, were kicked and bruised in the process, or even killed. Why today of all days imbeciles like Chris Hayes would use Dr. King’s name in the wrong context is, in a word, sickening.

    Tomorrow is another day, which I will embrace, because when we wake up, guess what, honey bunch: Barack Obama will still be President of the United States! I’m clingin’ to THAT.

    • 116 99ts
      June 11, 2013 at 11:41 pm

      It’s interesting to wonder how the GOP would have attacked JFK and stopped civil rights in its tracks – if the assassination had not happened. I just don’t know enough about MLK and Bobby Kennedy – but I sure know they are NOTHING like a 29 year old who flees to China.

  22. 117 lisalovesobama
    June 11, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    So I read the pew research poll that was linked earlier today and I’ve gotta say, nothing is truer than that poll. Unless I actually bring the whole NSA thing up, nobody talks about it because nobody cares because everyone had already assumed that this was going on. The only battlefield this whole issue is being fought on is cable news, specifically MSNBFOX- I haven’t touched that rot since election night- and twitter-where dummies who voluntarily give up their rights to privacy are complaining about how the government is violating their privacy. 🙄 I’m not even wasting my time complaining about that prepubescent girl pretending to be a grown man who compared a treasonous ratbag to MLK. I don’t got time for The Cow’s idiot twin sister, Madcow 2.0 like that. I’m too busy watching old Michelle and PBO videos, crossing my fingers for immigration reform, stalking Beyonce, watching YouTube shows, and getting ready for internship. Like that old proverb says: ” this too shall pass.”

    Ps- also re watching season 1 of The Newsroom in anticipation of season 2 premiere on July 14th!!!!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

    • 118 sherijr
      June 11, 2013 at 11:04 pm

      oh Lisa – what a completely excellent comment!

      • 119 lisalovesobama
        June 11, 2013 at 11:05 pm

        Hiya, Sherijr! How you doin’? 😉

        • 120 sherijr
          June 11, 2013 at 11:11 pm

          doing great… how about you? 🙂

          • 121 lisalovesobama
            June 11, 2013 at 11:14 pm

            Doing well, especially since I’ve been off that horrible diet of cable news and lefty freaks. I ain’t heavy no more! I look right svelt! Thank you very much! 😉

            • 122 sherijr
              June 11, 2013 at 11:23 pm

              well done… I quit them all during the 2008 election.. so I know how much better you feel 🙂

              • 123 MightyPamela
                June 11, 2013 at 11:28 pm

                Et moi, aussi! For a 62 yrs old gal, I look more like about 43! That personality stuff they peddle on the ‘news’ shows is mind-numbing, and can keep one from making good, clear Soul contact each day! Well spoken, Lisa! Goodnight all!

        • 124 LDS
          June 11, 2013 at 11:19 pm

          Lisa, I like your style, girl.
          Cool as a cucumber….don’t sweat the small stuff.
          This, too is gonna past!
          True colors ar showing. I am not surprised at all….

          • 125 lisalovesobama
            June 11, 2013 at 11:28 pm

            Hey LDS! Hoping you’re doing well too. Just doing what PBO does: brushing the dirt of my shoulders. 🙂

            • 126 LDS
              June 11, 2013 at 11:52 pm

              That’s just how you do it……I ain’t mad at ya, girl.
              Feeling everything you are saying and doing.

  23. 127 closerange
    June 11, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    The president should not and will not entertain any changes to FISA, AUMF, Patriot Act or any other security program until well after the midterms in 2014. There is absolutely no political upside to weakening or repealing any of these laws right now. If he does, the best he can hope for from the loony Left is silence (if they really like what he did) or complaints that he didn’t go far enough (see ACA::public option). From the nutjobs on the Right he would be exposing himself to impeachment if even a mini Benghazi or Boston type incident should occur.

    If the people screaming now survived eight years of these programs under the dumbest president ever, then they’ll be just fine under one of the smartest.

    The economy and implementing the ACA are PBO’s top priorities for the rest of his term, along with immigration reform and judicial appointments to a lesser extent. These are what will cement his legacy as one of the greatest presidents ever and I’m sure he won’t let anything distract him.

    • 128 lisalovesobama
      June 11, 2013 at 11:10 pm

      Haha!! Awesome comment. These days my feelings about the left is just about equal to my feelings about the right. Both sides are what is wrong with this country. Psychos on the right, yellow-bellied, spineless twats on the left. 🙄 thank God for PBO.

    • 129 Churchlady320
      June 11, 2013 at 11:26 pm

      It would not be weakening them if Franken et al. have their way. It would be building on court changes that already gave us back habeus corpus, insistence on warrants, etc. I do trust them and PBO to do this well. I do not trust the hair on fire left or right to understand a word of it. But yes, we CAN make more changes that affirm democratic principles but that do NOT weaken our ability to protect our nation. Those are not mutually exclusive as 60-plus years of our history have proven.

      • 130 closerange
        June 11, 2013 at 11:47 pm

        Any change will be seen as weakening them. In fact some of these laws need to be repealed entirely. My issue is why have this fight now? Franken, Merkeley, Wyden and the rest of the Dems are good guys but they are not really the strongest politicians and once the Repub attack machine cranks up, the president will be left trying to defend this basically on his own. This shouldn’t be touched until 2015 or early 2016.

    • 132 ChristiMTL
      June 11, 2013 at 11:16 pm

      He really doesn’t care…….He got a lot of pushback on twitter about the reference with MLK…..from what I could tell on my TL…..so what does he do?….2 hours later he’s on Lawrence saying the same thing…………

  24. 133 Bobfr (aka Our4thEstate)
    June 11, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    HT to MTMarilyn, df & LH for the inspiration ….

    If we can use this instance of treason, entirely meant to damage our President Obama no matter what the cost, to drive major reform in our laws and return the security of Americans to professionals who’s only duty is to them and not Wall St quarterly shareholder returns, we will have done considerable good.


    • 134 desertflower
      June 11, 2013 at 11:28 pm

      This is it in a giant nutshell. Many thanks

    • 135 mtmarilyn
      June 11, 2013 at 11:28 pm

      We must all keep putting the light on this. For years the Repubs want to privitize everything. The Iraq war was such a shame. All these government jobs are now for profit. This has to stop!!!!!!!

      Thanks Bobfr for leading the way in twitterland. I am getting my sealegs, as yardarm would say.

    • 136 Bobfr (aka Our4thEstate)
      June 11, 2013 at 11:28 pm

      The above comment may be the shortest TOD ‘Word’ ever, but we really do need to seize on the opportunity this act of treason represents to return the security of Americans, and many other functions, to democratic governance and the professionals who dedicate themselves to the service of the American community and NOT to THE MARKET (aka profit irrespective of how it is achieved).

      Decided to share the message with two others ….

      Yes We Can

    • 137 carolyn
      June 11, 2013 at 11:30 pm

      Yes, this is what I am hoping will happen. I remember at one time Rachel dug deep into the private contractors and the military. Of course no action came, but perhaps now is the time that people will take notice and realize the evil that this relationship is. Thinking about our security being outsourced to these adventurers is sickening. They have no loyalty to the country, or even the company they work for.
      HOW did this Snowden get cleared?????
      I remember, in the dim dark ages, how difficult it was to get a government clearance. What has happened? I’ll answer: Reagan “the government is the problem” happened. The big faker. Now we are reaping the results of that and it has only gotten worse.

  25. 138 Jovie
    June 11, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    • 139 LDS
      June 11, 2013 at 11:21 pm

      Wow! I said this in so many words way back when….
      True colors are coming out now!

    • 140 Churchlady320
      June 11, 2013 at 11:31 pm

      Apollo 1312 is right. This is just about narcissism and from that ego driven assertion that YOU (nameless YOU) define the universe all else tumbles. If you believe something, regardless of facts, then you have the right to blow things up, undermine democracy, and impose your will whenever you can. That’s ‘nullification’ and used to be the province of the religious right and sovereign citizens but now belongs to the Libertarians and radical egotists on the Left. Nullification says only YOU are smart, and the rest of us are just brainwashed dolts. Well – WE say YOU are incorrect. Oh hell – you’re effing WRONG. Get over yourself.

  26. 141 Jovie
    June 11, 2013 at 11:19 pm


  27. 143 Jovie
    June 11, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    What in Earth?

  28. June 11, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    Ok blog tyrants, working on a night owl post.

  29. 145 Jovie
    June 11, 2013 at 11:24 pm

  30. 146 lisalovesobama
    June 11, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    This is dedicated to all the Obama Warriors, doing that voodoo that you do so well in the twittersphere! ‘Nuff respect!

    Ps – stay strong!

  31. 147 LDS
    June 11, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    I am not going to sleep tonight so….c’mon, LL don’t hold back on anything. Say it with your chest!

  32. 148 jacquelineoboomer
    June 11, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    Maybe I left my brain somewhere, but I just sat through 19 minutes of Upside Down With Chris Hayes, which I have never watched before and never will again, and somebody tell me what the hell he’s talking about. His intensity means only one thing – he’s in somebody’s pocket, being told to go after the President. Normally, I avoid cynicism and paranoia, but he’s not fighting this fight because of his own personal beliefs. He read from history books tonight and then brought Dr. King into the conversation and invited in Julian Bond and other contemporary African Americans, and now what? None of it makes sense, none of it fits. He’s got to be in somebody’s pocket, being pulled around by the nose to do this. Dr. King and what he endured and why have nothing to do with the likes of a traitor like Snowden. Who’s running this escapade?

    • 149 carolyn
      June 11, 2013 at 11:32 pm

      From what I’m reading, I think Chris Hayes is going to sink MSNBC singlehandedly.

      • 150 jacquelineoboomer
        June 11, 2013 at 11:35 pm

        I truthfully just made a mental note not to watch anything on MSNBC until they get their collective souls back!

    • 151 mtmarilyn
      June 11, 2013 at 11:34 pm

      That’s what I want to know. I have never watched it and never will. Why would Julian Bond and any other African American say such a thing? Who were these guys. There should be push back on them too.

    • 152 99ts
      June 11, 2013 at 11:34 pm

      JoB – I’ve been out today at doctors and things – ahhhhhhh – but just reading your tweets @chrislhayes – YOU ARE A STAR

      thank you so much – perfect wording – just perfect

    • 154 Jovie
      June 11, 2013 at 11:34 pm

      He’s trying to erode the presidents support .
      All these anarchists care about is getting rid of this president , so they can have the real occupy generated toward Wall Street.
      He is an occupy dude in the media, a stupid one at that!
      Right libertarians go after the government the left libertarians go after Wall Street.
      They want a new America and are trying to impose their will in the rest of us.

      • 155 jacquelineoboomer
        June 11, 2013 at 11:41 pm

        You are right, I believe, about all of that. I’m not having it, and neither are the rest of us who really support President Obama.

    • 156 hopefruit2
      June 11, 2013 at 11:35 pm

      I agree JOB. Hayes is getting paid from some other source besides viewer-generated revenue. In fact, his promotion to that 8PM slot was not about ratings- it was about MSNBC pushing a particular political agenda. But the fact that he’s not doing well in the ratings is making MSNBC lose overall credibility – so the propaganda is not as effective, despite their tone-deafness about this.

    • 157 COS
      June 11, 2013 at 11:42 pm

      Bravo to you Ms O’Boomer for being brave enough to torture yourself that long. As soon as I saw him and Wagner on Lawrence’s panel tonight, I turned. Also when Lawrence said he would be talking about the State Dept. scandal, I decided that I am fed up with this stuff. I refuse to believe that this is something suddenly new. This type of thing probably has been happening for years.

      • 158 jacquelineoboomer
        June 11, 2013 at 11:44 pm

        Well, COS, as carolyn said, Chris Hayes is sinking MSNBC and I am not going to allow him to sink me! Tomorrow is another day!

      • 159 99ts
        June 11, 2013 at 11:48 pm

        What is the State dept scandal?? Will they NEVER stop in their attempts to attack PBO. Do they consider what the world is thinking of the US at this moment in time. Obviously – NO. The US will shortly be left with zero international friends –

        “Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive” describes the Media(R,USA) and their friends the GOP perfectly

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