This and That (short-ish version)

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It was pretty flippin’ delicious watching the Twitter meltdown after this:

Jeffrey Toobin: Edward Snowden Is No Hero

Edward Snowden, a twenty-nine-year-old former C.I.A. employee and current government contractor, has leaked news of National Security Agency programs that collect vast amounts of information about the telephone calls made by millions of Americans, as well as e-mails and other files of foreign targets and their American connections. For this, some, including my colleague John Cassidy, are hailing him as a hero and a whistle-blower. He is neither. He is, rather, a grandiose narcissist who deserves to be in prison.

…. he describes himself as appalled by the government he served … what, one wonders, did Snowden think the N.S.A. did? ….

…. he wasn’t blowing the whistle on anything illegal; he was exposing something that failed to meet his own standards of propriety. The question, of course, is whether the government can function when all of its employees (and contractors) can take it upon themselves to sabotage the programs they don’t like. That’s what Snowden has done.

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@PeteSouza: Photo of Pres Obama w Alan Krueger, chair of CEA, trailed by just-nominated chair Jason Furman and his family


@VP: VP ceremonially swears in @ErnestMoniz as Sec. of @ENERGY in the Roosevelt Room of the @whitehouse


Newsie stuff in the morning – chat away.


PS Happy birthday Sasha …..

129 Responses to “This and That (short-ish version)”

  1. June 10, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Good evening all!

  2. 23 Nena20409
    June 10, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Congrats theo67 on your Gold.

    LOD is not a lap dog for GG.

  3. 24 desertflower
    June 10, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Little Sasha is growing into a fine young woman…hope she had a wonderful birthday:)

  4. 25 Nena20409
    June 10, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    12 yrs old Natasha Obama, Happy B-Day to you…… and many, many more.

  5. 26 Nena20409
    June 10, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    Like I said, LOD is Not a lap dog for GG.

  6. June 10, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    Our President’s National Defense University presentation was certainly going to catalyze major gnashing of teeth among the MIC plutocrats whose cash flow is so dependent on an America perpetually at war ….

    … and we are definitely witnessing manifestations of such ….

    #TrustBarack He Is Ending The Era Of Perpetual War

  7. June 10, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    I missed the Lawrence interview, but someone on twitter said GG again tried to link MLK to Snowden. Can anyone tell me what exactly he said, if he actually did try to do it?

    • June 10, 2013 at 10:31 pm

      Woah, would love to know too Lamh. Seriously, MLK and Snowden??

      • 42 COS
        June 10, 2013 at 10:46 pm

        If GG said that, as an AA I am totally offended. That weasel is not fit to utter MLK’s name.

        • June 10, 2013 at 10:47 pm

          COS, did you see today a Greenwald Groupie on Twitter comparing Snowden to Rosa Parks? I kid you not.

          • 44 COS
            June 10, 2013 at 10:54 pm

            No Chips. That makes me even angrier. There is absolutely no comparison. I don’t recall MLK or Rosa Parks having a cushy job and betraying this country like these 2 bozos. I am appalled.

            • June 10, 2013 at 11:00 pm

              No words, COS, no words. The only comfort is that pushback was enormous, as I said earlier it’s hard to know whether these people actually believe the comparison or are just making it out of spite – them being Greenwald/Ron Paul supporters. But, hard to know which is worse.

      • 46 CaliCat
        June 11, 2013 at 3:32 am

        They’re equating him with Paul Revere in my local paper (SF Chronicle) and saying he’s a patriot. Freaking ridiculous.

    • 47 Nena20409
      June 10, 2013 at 10:33 pm

      He referenced that MLK was tapped and was even encouraged to commit suicide when they accused him of having an affair with a woman that was not his wife. It made no sense. MLK was not breaking any laws. The Gov’t was the aggressor. MLK didn’t jet off to Timbuktu or any other place outside USA for he was Not breaking government secretes.

      These tiny minded fools are always reaching back to the Civil Rights Era to tarnish and/or steal the Heroism of those Legends to conflate and distort with their twisted ideology.

      • 48 hopefruit2
        June 10, 2013 at 10:38 pm

        Exactly Nena. Neither Rosa parks nor MLK were entitled brats making (the 1960’s equivalent of) $200K, looking for “hero worship” status. This arrogant attempt on the part of the GG and his friends in the MSM to link Snowden to these civil rights heroes is just offensive on so many levels.

        • 50 nathkatun7
          June 11, 2013 at 3:28 am

          “This arrogant attempt on the part of the GG and his friends in the MSM to link Snowden to these civil rights heroes is just offensive on so many levels.”

          Thank you hopfruit! What you said needs to be said over and over again! I am sick of privileged and cowardly individuals, like Glenn Greenwald, who are trying to equate their unwarranted acts of treason with the heroic struggle for justice and equality led by courageous people who were OPENLY willing to pay the price to advance those causes. As you so appropriately wrote, what Greenwald said is “offensive on so many levels.”

      • 51 0388jojothecat
        June 11, 2013 at 12:22 am

        Snowflake couldn’t shine MLK’s shoes. When did MLK shrink in the face of danger, go to a foreign country and chastise his government. He stood to faced death in the face in THIS country. The same as Rosa Parks…she did not go to Paris and protest wrongful treatment of blacks.

      • 52 nathkatun7
        June 11, 2013 at 3:18 am

        Well said Nena!

  8. 53 MightyPamela
    June 10, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    Oh, here we are! Waz up? 😉

    • 54 Nena20409
      June 10, 2013 at 10:35 pm

      😆 the ceiling and looking out and up the window, the sky 😉

      Hey, MightyPamela. Hope all is well.

      • 55 MightyPamela
        June 10, 2013 at 11:02 pm

        😆 thanks Nena, too complicated right now to go into boring details, the good news is I didn’t fall down the basement steps again! Whew….. 😆

  9. June 10, 2013 at 10:33 pm

  10. June 10, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    CELEBRATION *******

    WOW -> US Credit Rating back to AAA.THANK YOU MR PRESIDENT! twitter.com/Creoleleo/stat… #p2 #tcot— Berny (@bernyp) June 11, 2013

  11. June 10, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    And if you really want to gag:

    Promise I won’t do that again, but sooooo over-the-top, clueless unquestioning DC echochamber.

  12. June 10, 2013 at 10:37 pm

  13. 62 Nena20409
    June 10, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    On NSA Transparency…..Jay Carney

  14. June 10, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    Good evening, TODers!!!

    What’s GiGi’s next bombshell? That the US and Israel sabotaged Iran’s nuke computers. Well, duh! Try selling that as a bad thing to most of the world. He. Has. Nothing. And the fact that elected officials are trashing him is not going to get many converts among the citizenry. So sit back, relax, and join me in a Manhattan.

  15. 83 desertflower
    June 10, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    joshuafoust ‏@joshuafoust 56m
    Interestingly, job postings for working on PRISM require a BS or MS, neither of which Snowden has

    I took out the job postings from this Tweet

    • 84 theo67
      June 10, 2013 at 11:06 pm

      This character is telling a very fishy story. I’m staying out of it.

    • June 10, 2013 at 11:07 pm

      He lied on his resume, or bluffed his way in with the CIA background, or invoked “sympathy: with his injury in service story, or he’s a well protected mole inside the NSA, has a powerful sugar-daddy, is a white affirmative action hire. Or worst of all Booz and Allen Hamilton hired him WITHOUT reading/checking out his resume

      • 87 desertflower
        June 10, 2013 at 11:15 pm

        Probably ALL THE ABOVE. Seems like EVERYONE at Booz gets a TS clearance….THIS is the real issue here.

        • 88 0388jojothecat
          June 11, 2013 at 12:08 am

          He’s someone’s son, nephew, or maybe his girl friends family got him into that job. It was purely nepotism working here and he is so ungrateful while so many men, soldiers would love to have a $200K job living in Hawaii….what a punk.

    • June 10, 2013 at 11:18 pm

      I was listening to Randi Rhoads this afternoon and she was right on. There is more there and no one in the lazy media is asking the right questions. How the hell does a high school drop out with some computer classes, drop out of the service get a job with a Government Contractor making $200K, living in Hawaii and he has a beef with the Federal Government? How does someone with less than three months on the job get access to sensitive information that someone can sell to the highest bidder to China, Russia, or Al Qaeda? The media is too busy spreading lies rather than focus on the real story.

      • 90 desertflower
        June 10, 2013 at 11:21 pm

        I listened too…the last hour anyway, I forgot she was back from vacation and I don’t listen when Nicole is there. Can’t stand her.

        • 91 0388jojothecat
          June 10, 2013 at 11:50 pm

          Now that I have iheart radio on my android I listened to Thom Hartmann in the afternoon but he was no better. Bill Press and all the rest of the progressives are perpettuating lies and calling this loser a hero.

  16. 92 dotster3
    June 10, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    The Daily Show—-with John Oliver sitting in—-is acting all shocked that any of this snooping stuff was possible——phone calls, internet searches, etc. ——-I don’t get the pretense of shock here——where have people been? Now showing a clip of Chris Hayes to prove a point—–and now slamming President Obama for the usual stuff. Wonder how they would be if they were president and responsible for the safety of the country. Some previously held ideas may change quick as a bunny.

    • 93 COS
      June 10, 2013 at 11:37 pm

      So the Obama bashing continues, I assume? What really irks me about this whole story is how they are trying to make it new and everyone is going down this slippery slope. I will be waiting for Chips to post her egg on face photo.

    • 94 theo67
      June 10, 2013 at 11:44 pm

      They should save their shock for the poor kids and elderly citizens going hungry because of sequester cuts, and he many soldiers currently in harms’ way – and the fact that the media and many in Congress couldn’t care less.

    • June 11, 2013 at 12:15 am

      So John Oliver’s not old enough to remember the Prince Charles phone call with Cammilla? 😉

  17. 97 Dudette
    June 10, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    Hmm, we need some music in honor of Sasha. Something a 12 yr old might like. Or maybe something from back when some of us were 12. 🙂

    How ’bout this?

  18. 98 Dudette
    June 10, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    Was that Sasha or Malia who likes these guys?

    • 99 0388jojothecat
      June 10, 2013 at 11:47 pm

      Probably both but it was definitely Malia who had the crush in 2008/9 but she was only eleven back then.

  19. 100 dotster3
    June 10, 2013 at 11:24 pm

    100’s of corrupt N.J. doctors involved in a $100 million Medicare fraud scheme.

    • 101 0388jojothecat
      June 10, 2013 at 11:27 pm

      He could run for Governor…..Republicans love to vote in Medicare thieves.

    • 102 99ts
      June 10, 2013 at 11:41 pm

      When doctors are obviously needed – how sad that they do this sort of thing. The loss of a lab testing firm/president will have little impact on health care – but the loss of a number of doctors will – or do they just say sorry & than are allowed to continue raking in the millions?

  20. 103 0388jojothecat
    June 10, 2013 at 11:25 pm


  21. 105 africa
    June 10, 2013 at 11:29 pm

  22. 107 0388jojothecat
    June 10, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    How about the song that made them famous…..

  23. 109 forus50
    June 10, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    I thought I posted this but it got eaten! This is a clear demonstration imho of how POTUS has earned the trust of Dems. So much so that they have changed their opinion on a pretty controversial subject; imho becaue they trust his leadership.

    • 110 0388jojothecat
      June 10, 2013 at 11:35 pm

      Holy Crap there’s no hope for this country…….

    • 111 lockewasright
      June 10, 2013 at 11:53 pm

      Whether it is ok to wiretap without a warrant is not the same thing as whether it’s alright to use the proper legal channels as provided by FISA law.

    • 113 0388jojothecat
      June 10, 2013 at 11:38 pm

      I have a crush on them….and I am over 50. Have they been to the White House? President Obama should book them for a big birthday bash for Sasha and Malia.

      • 114 Dudette
        June 10, 2013 at 11:45 pm

        I think the girls did met them, but I can’t remember if it was at the White House or some kids event (like an awards show).

  24. 115 Jovie
    June 10, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    He’s gone dark!

  25. 116 sabreen60
    June 10, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    • 117 0388jojothecat
      June 11, 2013 at 12:17 am

      Yep, Thom Hartmann calls Libertarians as folks (mostly men) who want to smoke dope and get laid.

  26. 120 sabreen60
    June 10, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    • 121 99ts
      June 11, 2013 at 12:29 am

      Despite he was treated as a “joker, funny man” by the right, Al Franken is one of the few senators who took his new job seriously, kept his head down and supported PBO. Not like GOP newcomers who spend their time on the media proclaiming their stupid and knowing nothing that they should know.

  27. June 10, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    • 123 99ts
      June 11, 2013 at 12:26 am

      And THIS is what it is all about – keep the poor, poor & blame the President – keep the unemployed, unemployed – and blame the President – etc etc

  28. 125 desertflower
    June 10, 2013 at 11:59 pm


  29. 128 desertflower
    June 11, 2013 at 12:18 am

    Crusty old desert dwellers.. Check out the answers to “what’s too damn hot in Phoenix?”


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