Profiles of the Team – Part 4

Kathy Ruemmler: Chief WH Counsel





First person to inform PBO of the SCOTUS ruling of PPACA



She’s famous for her role as a lead prosecutrix in the Enron fraud case — and for her fabulous footwear.We’ll start with the boring stuff: Ruemmler’s credentials.  She has had a remarkable legal career, moving seamlessly between private practice and the public sector.  Before joining the White House counsel’s office, she served as principal associate deputy attorney general at the Justice Department. Prior to that, she was a litigation partner at Latham & Watkins, as well as an assistant U.S. attorney in D.C.This is not Ruemmler’s first tour of duty at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. She also served in the White House counsel’s office under President Bill Clinton, a busy time for White House lawyers.  In addition to her legal skills, Kathy Ruemmler has a sparkling personality. As a former Latham colleague told ATL when she left for the DOJ, “She’s a really good lawyer, and a genuinely nice person. We’re very sorry to lose her.


Gorelick said Ruemmler brings several strengths to the post, namely that she already knows the “traditions and values” of the administration as well as the people there. In addition, Gorelick said, Ruemmler is someone who “can be forceful when she needs to.” Indeed, Ruemmler made a lasting impression with her closing remarks in the Enron trial: “Those … were … flat … lies!”


Kathleen Sebelius: HHS Secretary

Democratic National Convention: Day 1

Sebelius Discusses Supreme Court Decision On Affordable Care Act


Joe Biden, Kathleen Sebelius



When we talk about health care, we always keep in mind that we are not just talking about saving money or increasing efficiency.  We are also talking about providing a higher quality of life.  When people are healthy, they miss fewer days of work and get more done.  They spend more time at home and less time in doctors’ offices.  They can take care of their grandkids.  They can play softball…They can get a good night of sleep.”


Since taking office, Secretary Sebelius has been a leader on some of the Obama administration’s top priorities. As the country’s highest-ranking health official, she played a key role in the passage of the historic Affordable Care Act and is now leading its implementation. She also coordinated the response to the 2009 H1N1 flu virus. And under her leadership, HHS has provided a wide range of services from health care to child care to energy assistance to help families weather the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.


Mike Froman: USTR








He is a close adviser to the president. As Obama’s deputy national security adviser, Froman’s caseload includes, among other items, trade, energy development and international investment. His position has been tested at the G8 and G20 summits, where he serves the president’s No. 2 during those events.  Froman and Obama go further back, though. When Obama decided to run for the Senate in 2004, Froman served as a policy adviser and introduced him to former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin who Froman served in the Clinton administration.. After Obama won the presidency, Froman served on a 12-member advisory board for his transition team. He also graduated the same year as the president from Harvard Law School.


Penny Pritzker: Commerce secretary



Penny Pritzker, Arne Duncan

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Penny Pritzker, member of the President?


 She’s a longtime supporter of the presidentPritzker, 54, first met President Obama and his wife, Michelle, at a Chicago YMCA in the early 1990s while her children were playing basketball and Michelle Obama’s brother, Craig Robinson, was coaching. Since then, she has been an important supporter and has helped raise millions of dollars for his political campaigns since he ran for the Senate in 2004. During Obama’s 2008 White House run, Pritzker served as the national chairwoman of his campaign finance team, which shattered fundraising records.


“She’s built companies from the ground up,” Obama said. “She knows from experience that no government program alone can take the place of a great entrepreneur.”  He noted that Thursday is her birthday, saying: “For your birthday present, you get to go through confirmation.” That prompted laughter. “It’s going to be great.”  Obama also said he had “watched her kids grow up.”  “This is what’s unique about Penny, her friendship with the President gives her a unique ability as part of the economic team,” said Bill Daley, a Commerce Secretary under Bill Clinton and a White House chief of staff to Obama. “She’ll really be in the room as they’re talking through policy, whether it’s around the debt or around the budget or a tax bill if there is one. Because of that unique relationship that puts her in a different category than a lot of people who go into the cabinet.”


Arne Duncan: Secretary of Education




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Arne Duncan is the ninth U.S. secretary of education. He has served in this post since his confirmation by the U.S. Senate on Jan. 20, 2009, following his nomination by President Barack Obama.  Duncan’s tenure as secretary has been marked by a number of significant accomplishments on behalf of American students and teachers. He helped to secure congressional support for President Obama’s investments in education, including the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act’s $100 billion to fund 325,000 teaching jobs, increases in Pell grants, reform efforts such as Race to the Top and Investing in Innovation, and interventions in low-performing schools. Additionally, he has helped secure an additional $10 billion to avoid teacher layoffs; the elimination of student loan subsidies to banks; and a $500 million national competition for early learning programs.


In his confirmation hearings, Duncan called education “the most pressing issue facing America,” adding that “preparing young people for success in life is not just a moral obligation of society” but also an “economic imperative.” “Education is also the civil rights issue of our generation,” he said, “the only sure path out of poverty and the only way to achieve a more equal and just society.” Duncan expressed his commitment to work under the leadership of President Obama and with all those involved in education “to enhance education in America, to lift our children and families out of poverty, to help our students learn to contribute to the civility of our great American democracy, and to strengthen our economy by producing a workforce that can make us as competitive as possible.”


Tom Vilsack: Secretary of Agriculture





U.S. President Barack Obama talks after he tours a drought ridden corn farm in Missouri Valley, Iowa




Tom Vilsack serves as the nation’s 30th Secretary of the Agriculture.  As leader of the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), Vilsack is working hard to strengthen the American agricultural economy, build vibrant rural communities and create new markets for the tremendous innovation of rural America.  In four years at the Department, Vilsack has worked to implement President Obama’s agenda to put Americans back to work and create an economy built to last. USDA has supported America’s farmers, ranchers and growers who are driving the rural economy forward, provided food assistance to millions of Americans, carried out record conservation efforts, made record investments in our rural communities and helped provide a safe, sufficient and nutritious food supply for the American people.


Secretary Vilsack has served in the public sector at nearly every level of government, beginning as mayor of Mt. Pleasant, Iowa in 1987, and then as state senator in 1992. In 1998, he was the first Democrat elected Governor of Iowa in more than 30 years, an office he held for two terms.  As Secretary of Agriculture, Vilsack has been candid and direct about the challenges and opportunities facing USDA, and the importance of fulfilling the vast missions of the Department as a champion of rural America, a steward of the environment and a protector of our food supply.  Already, Agriculture Secretary, he has helped to implement the Recovery Act to create thousands of jobs, instituted reforms at USDA that will save taxpayers tens of millions of dollars and met with foreign governments to begin to establish food security across the globe. Vilsack has also made civil rights a top priority, taking definitive action to improve the Department’s record and to move USDA into a new era as a model employer and premier service provider.

Full Bio


Previous profiles:

Part 1 * Part 2 * Part 3

168 Responses to “Profiles of the Team – Part 4”

  1. May 20, 2013 at 1:03 pm

  2. May 20, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Can’t thank you enough LP for providing an informative synopsis of various members of President Obama’s team. Very helpful!!!


    • May 20, 2013 at 4:49 pm

      TY Bobfr…..sometimes I think the MSM lives in an alternate universe….I just like to do a little counter-programming, when given the opportunity!

  3. 5 utaustinliberal
    May 20, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Chiparoo? Niiiiiiiiiiiice changes/updates to TOD.

  4. May 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Thank you LP, LOVE this series!

  5. 11 amk for obama
    May 20, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Excellent daughter news just now. Stood all India 71stin PG entrance exam for the India’s top govt medical college by scoring 98.85%. Will surely get a PG medical seat in this highly affordable and top notch institute. This is the college she has been wanting all along. Now keeping fingers and toes crossed for getting the branch she wants. 😀 😀 😀

  6. 38 utaustinliberal
    May 20, 2013 at 1:15 pm

  7. 39 vcprezofan2
    May 20, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Thanks, LP. I really like this personal introduction to the O movers and shakers, even if I can’t remember them all. Speaking of teams, you guys know who popped into my head today? Proud Former White House Intern – Hi PFWHI!

  8. 40 Dudette
    May 20, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Outstanding roundup of profiles, Chips! People need to be aware of the folks at top who serve the President and the country. This is great!

  9. 46 cookemom
    May 20, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    whew! done. sweat is fat crying.

  10. 49 Dudette
    May 20, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    This ought to be fun…

    • 50 jackiegrumbacher
      May 20, 2013 at 4:37 pm

      I’ll bet this ‘extremely popular, almost Democrat’ vetoes them all. Can’t think why the people of NJ think this guy is worthy of their approval. Wake up New Jersey–Christie’s been taking you for a ride for four years.

      • 51 sjterrid
        May 20, 2013 at 5:19 pm

        I’ve been donating $15 monthly to his opponent, Buono. In fact I mailed out my primary ballot earlier today. I’ll do what I can to try to get the word out how much he’s hurt the public workers in our state

  11. 52 Dudette
    May 20, 2013 at 1:20 pm

  12. 53 Dudette
    May 20, 2013 at 1:24 pm

  13. 54 Dudette
    May 20, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    • May 20, 2013 at 1:39 pm

      At the link:

      “Rosen had allegedly instructed Kim how to send codes through a Google account to signal if a meeting was taking place: “One asterisk means to contact them, or that previously suggested plans for communication are to proceed as agreed; two asterisks means the opposite.”

      According to the affidavit, Rosen asked Kim to provide “what intelligence is picking up” so that he could break the news “ahead of my competitors.” He also said he would “love to see some internal State Department analyses.”

      A federal judge agreed that there was probably cause that Rosen had broken the law and took the unusual step of signing off on a warrant for his emails. The case differs from the DOJ’s seizure of Associated Press emails because the AP is not considered a target in that case.

      U.S. Attorney Ronald Machen Jr., whose office is investigating the case, said that the government “exhausted all reasonable non-media alternatives for collecting the evidence” before going after Rosen’s emails, the Post reported. No reporter has ever been prosecuted for seeking classified intelligence.”

      That’s not journalism, that’s a #NEWSTAINER soliciting classified information to buff his ratings …


  14. 57 Dudette
    May 20, 2013 at 1:25 pm

  15. 58 Dudette
    May 20, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    • May 20, 2013 at 1:45 pm

      The first time I left my home and came to care for my grandchildren was so my daughter’s husband could go do a special assignment heading up a team charged with clearing up the VA files. The veterans administration was so understaffed, they had to pull in military personnel to try to clear up the backlog. They worked in teams with military personnel from all over the country. Each team of 6 (?) had to process 2,000 applications a week. It began as a 3 month assignment that stretched into 6 months. When he returned, he said they hadn’t even made a teenie tiny dent.

      • May 20, 2013 at 1:47 pm

        By the way, it was not long after President Obama took office. So it is a problem he inherited.

      • 61 Dudette
        May 20, 2013 at 1:50 pm

        The backlog is like something out of a nightmare. Govt needs to take some of that inflated bloat going to crooked defense contractors and fund whatever is needed to get this resolved.

  16. 64 Dudette
    May 20, 2013 at 1:27 pm

  17. 65 Dudette
    May 20, 2013 at 1:29 pm

  18. 66 Linda
    May 20, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    WASHINGTON — Senators working on a bipartisan immigration bill have agreed to require fingerprinting when foreigners leave the country through any of the nation’s 30 busiest airports.

    It’s a step toward the more expansive biometric system favored by many senators but deemed too expensive to include in the bill.

    Under the amendment by Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, the nation’s 10 busiest airports would have to establish a fingerprinting system within two years. Within six years it would have to be in place at the 30 busiest airports.

    The amendment passed 13 to 5 Monday as the Senate Judiciary Committee plunged into its third week of deliberations on the immigration legislation.

    Lawmakers have cited the absence of a reliable system to track people coming and going as a major security flaw.

    • 67 jacquelineoboomer
      May 20, 2013 at 2:04 pm

      Sometimes I think Republicans would like to knock down the Statue of Liberty, along with Emma’s poem on its base, and be done with it. Just keep the people we have, so we cannot grow our minds along with other cultures, not have to use the word “global,” again, and eventually all of us can turn into cannibals when we run out of ideas and energy and food and stuff.

      Or we can GOTV 2014 – ALL DEMOCRATS FOREVAH!

  19. May 20, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Ryan Lizza is tweeting about James Rosen ….

    Please realize how serious that is – releasing “Top Secret” combined with “SI” is way out there serious breach of security.

    Lizza attitude is very informative and he might want to rethink this particular tweet because it reveals he’s a fool, in several ways …

    Stephen Jin-Woo Kim leaked highly classified information about North Korea’s intentions to test a nuclear weapon. #NEWSTAINERS trying to pretend this is common place behavior should consider other employment. President Obama began his Presidency making it crystal clear he would not tolerate breaches in National Security. Folk should have taken him at his word.


    • 69 Linda
      May 20, 2013 at 1:39 pm

      Reporters think they are above the law ? I am shocked !

      • 70 debz
        May 20, 2013 at 2:23 pm

        They really do think they are above the law. Since when is leaking classified info covered by “freedom of the press?” And if all of these “journalists” are so upset that their sources are afraid to talk to them, then maybe they should make sure that the info they given isn’t from an illegal leak. Also, I am getting really tired of the gop and msm using the word “chilling.” Interesting, they both use the same talking points.

    • 71 forus50
      May 20, 2013 at 1:42 pm

      He’s taking something and running – not at all clear that reporter will be indicted. I think Ryan Lizza is doing what they all do now: better to be first than correct.

      • May 20, 2013 at 2:02 pm

        He’s certainly ‘running with it,’ FORUS. In this case, Rosen appears to be acting as a provocateur and orchestrator of clearly illegal activity. If that is what the DOJ have determined, then his emails are material evidence that would be used to prosecute him under 18 U.S.C. 793 Unauthorized Disclosure of National Defense Information as a collaborator, co-conspirator.

        Why folk persistently fail to realize that President Obama is not only a Constitutional law scholar, he deeply respects the law. When he tells you not to break the law, he’s not joking.


    • 73 Linda
      May 20, 2013 at 1:47 pm

      So this Jin-Woo Kim fella met Rosen in March of 2009 and 3 months later leaked information to Rosen ?

      It sounds like a conspiracy to me…….

    • 74 jacquelineoboomer
      May 20, 2013 at 1:57 pm

      Bobfr – I remember the SCI (Sensitive Compartmented Information) classification from when I worked for the Navy and the “SCIF” rooms that had to be constructed in-house, so there would be no leaks or compromises, etc. Here’s more on SCIFs, which denotes the seriousness:


      Heads should roll!

      • May 20, 2013 at 2:05 pm

        As a young Navy Officer, Jacqueline, I worked in such a place, in the DC area 🙂

        • 76 jacquelineoboomer
          May 20, 2013 at 2:08 pm

          I remember one guy I worked with who was in charge of such a place – with its clean, filtered air and stuff and powerful overhead air exhausts masking out sounds from escaping into the outer limits.

          It was back in the days when everybody had to first start going to the a/c hanger or outside to smoke, so he’d invite his favorite smokers up to the SCIF ’cause nobody knew you were breakin’ the rules on govt time.

          Ah, memories. 🙂

  20. 78 japa21
    May 20, 2013 at 1:39 pm

  21. 79 Dudette
    May 20, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    This could be something…

  22. May 20, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Morning Obots!

    After a couple of days away from the Intertubes, I’m getting my sea legs back. Hope to have an essay ready for tomorrow. Night owl chat is already set for tonight.

    How is the punditocracy treating the Rosen news? Closing ranks? Screaming First Amendment?

  23. 83 jacquelineoboomer
    May 20, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    LP – Another remarkable post! Thank you!

    Love all these people. Arne Duncan’s mother’s story is even more interesting to me – will try to dig it out again to read. (Behind every successful man and all that … )

    Oh, and, there are WOMEN on President Obama’s team? Why wasn’t I informed of this?


  24. 85 japa21
    May 20, 2013 at 1:41 pm

  25. 86 canadabarb4obama
    May 20, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    OT. Anybody know how many donuts Knoller has eaten or counted since PBO became president? (snark)

      • 88 57andfemale
        May 20, 2013 at 2:13 pm

        Saw Star Trek on Saturday, Dudette!

        • 89 Dudette
          May 20, 2013 at 2:17 pm

          Woot! I saw it Thursday! 🙂

          Going back again — several times, I sure!

          • 90 57andfemale
            May 20, 2013 at 2:22 pm

            My first 3-D movie. I’m hooked. Loved it more than I expected to, since it is all-action-all-the time. But in terms of character chemistry, development, and Star Trek sensibilities, there isn’t one note that Abrams missed or glossed over. Loved it.

            • 91 cookemom
              May 20, 2013 at 2:25 pm

              I heard it is quite an experience to see it at one of those IMAX theaters.

              • 92 Dudette
                May 20, 2013 at 2:45 pm

                That’s where my next viewing will be. Saw it in 2-D and was still on the edge of my seat. Can’t wait for Imax 3-D.

                • May 20, 2013 at 3:00 pm

                  I saw it at the Cinerama Dome in Hollywood. The 3D was meh, but the movie was great. I love it how it was one great variation on a theme, the theme being the Khan mythology of TOS.

                  What will be interesting is how they cover the 5 year mission. Will they, again, do variations on some of the best TOS episodes?

                  • 94 57andfemale
                    May 20, 2013 at 3:21 pm

                    I wouldn’t expect Abrams to revisit the same gimmick. I look forward to what he’ll do next.

                    Well, this 3-D novice was impressed!

              • 95 57andfemale
                May 20, 2013 at 2:58 pm

                I was astounded. I saw it at a mini-3-D theatre, not one of the big IMAX and it was still amazing.

                However, I’m sooo glad I missed the 3-D showing of the last Harry Potter movie and saw it in the regular format. I have a phobia of snakes I would have run screaming out of the theater if it was as realistic as Star Trek was.

  26. 96 Linda
    May 20, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    CHICAGO — An 87-year-old woman who alleges Donald Trump cheated her in a bait-and-switch scheme has told jurors she had qualms about suing the developer-turned-TV star given his power and influence.

    But during testimony Monday, when she was asked why she nonetheless took Trump to court, Jacqueline Goldberg replied firmly that “Somebody had to stand up to him.”

    Goldberg says “The Apprentice” star enticed her into buying two condos at Chicago’s Trump International Hotel & Tower with an offer to share profits of the entire building.

    But she told jurors at the civil trial in Chicago that she felt “conned” when Trump withdrew the profit-sharing plan after she bought the condos.

    Testifying last week, Trump denied the allegations. He also told reporters that Goldberg was in fact trying to rip him off.


    Trump is laughably pathetic.

    • 97 Don
      May 20, 2013 at 2:55 pm

      I believe her 100%, because really, it’s so like Trump to be accused of trying to swindle a senior citizen. This fucking guy is something else, a fake billionaire reduced to flipping condos.

      • 98 jacquelineoboomer
        May 20, 2013 at 3:05 pm

        And sometimes the condos (and seniors) flip back. Trump’s the Bernie Madoff of real estate, with fake hair.

  27. 99 Ladyhawke
    May 20, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    lovelyplains, this is such a terrific feature you created. It is so nice to see the hard working members of the administration getting the recognition they deserve. I hope this post get tweeted out to all of the media outlets and gasbags. They might learn something about what a dedicated public servants look like. Under the radar, this team is doing amazing things for the American people. Thank you so much for this.

  28. 101 Eveingeorgia
    May 20, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    This is really bothering me so I thought I’d bring it to you for discussion. Why are some folk, Tim Wise, Ta Nehisi Coates slamming the president’s speech to the graduates at MOREHOUSE? What did he say that was so offensive? What should he have said? Why does he always get labeled as lecturing to us black folk? I’m black and I think it was spot on. Perhaps this is the wrong forum, but I sure would like to hear what you think. I”m really disappointed in Tim and Ta.

    • 102 cookemom
      May 20, 2013 at 2:17 pm

      I have an idea, do you have a link to what they said?

    • May 20, 2013 at 2:22 pm

      I’ve been disappointed in Tim Wise for a while now. I’masmartypants wrote about it this morning.. apparently Wise feels POTUS was talking down to smart black men. Frankly just more BS imo.. just one more way to criticize President Obama- its what sells… I guess. I felt POTUS was damn inspirational.. and though he was talking to 500 damn smart and capable graduating black males- he did not talk down to them, he talked like a loving, experienced father/ adult to them- someone who has walked in their shoes- which is not something Tim Wise can say. As to Ta Nehisi.. I don’t know what he has said, but he’s another man who tends to be up and down about POTUS.

      • 104 Eveingeorgia
        May 20, 2013 at 2:52 pm

        Yep, that is how I heard the speech. It was like talking across the kitchen table to me, which is where we received a lot of our encouragement. I hate it that people distort what he is trying to do. What did they want him to do: send his message by mail to each graduate.

        • May 20, 2013 at 2:55 pm

          I honestly do not know what these guys want from President Obama.. but they continue to raise that bar don’t they? Its neverending.

          • 106 57andfemale
            May 20, 2013 at 3:15 pm

            And if he hadn’t given this speech, they would have criticized him for ignoring AA’s. Unbelievable.

    • May 20, 2013 at 2:24 pm

      I could write a book. There is no simple answer, but suffice it to say that if the President and First Lady had given a generic all-American speech in an all-Black setting, they would have been accused of whitewashing history and ignoring the special plight and gifts of Blackness. In the end, the question should be whether or not the audience appreciated what they were trying to impart.

      The idea that the President and policy are responsible for the dreams, desires and pursuits of everyone is ludicrous.

      • 108 Eveingeorgia
        May 20, 2013 at 2:47 pm

        Thanks for these replies. Here is the link to Wise’s post, @Cookemon: http://www.timwise.org/2013/05/bullying-pulpit-racism-barack-obama-and-the-selective-call-for-personal-re.comsponsibility/

        Ta Nehisi’s can be found at the Atlantic. ( I don’t know how to link to different posts at once).

        • 109 cookemom
          May 20, 2013 at 3:00 pm

          thanks I will take a peep see

            • 111 cookemom
              May 20, 2013 at 3:44 pm

              Thanks I just read this one. As I noted in my response about Tim Wise’s comments, I do understand the frustration, more of Ta Nehisi’s than Wise. The feelings of people like Ta’s are valid. Are they hard to hear? Most certainly, but they also deserve some scrutiny because what he said is true. Maybe if there were more concerned leaders in the communities that need this attention, PBO wouldn’t feel it his duty. I happen to agree that it is sad commentary that AA black youth especially, get a different message than white youth.

              I believe PBO feels he’s part of the village that it takes to raise our kids and is using any platform he can to get his message across to those who most need to hear it. I’m sure he’s aware that it may offend some, but has decided his influence is needed and outweighs the fact that the message is delivered in a forum such as a college graduation.

              • 112 vcprezofan2
                May 20, 2013 at 3:51 pm

                I read it myself and am 3/4 of the way through the responses, and have to say that today I would strongly go out of my way to recommend reading the responses. By and large this is the first time (ever?) I’ve seen such a balanced, sensible and meaningful discussion (with give and take etc. etc.) on a site, and with PBO’s actions as the topic.

                • 113 cookemom
                  May 20, 2013 at 4:13 pm

                  I didn’t read the comments, because the topic came back up on the new TOD thread. I was adding my 2 cents there. I’ll go back and read the comments later.

                • 114 cookemom
                  May 20, 2013 at 8:19 pm

                  Finally read the comments and yes they were very balanced, well reasoned, with respect of opposing views. I find my view about the whole thing is simply both view points are valid. A person’s opinion shouldn’t be arbitrarily dismissed because it opposes an action by PBO. His statue is not diminished imo, in his decision to address these type issues in that type forum. Folks need to relax and take stock of all angles of the issue before, immediately calling to task anyone who disagrees with PBO, or something he did.

                  • 115 vcprezofan2
                    May 20, 2013 at 10:33 pm

                    Appreciate you going back to check if my impression was all in my head. 😉 My off the cuff response BEFORE reading Ta Nehisi (whom I rarely ever read) and SP on Wise was ‘who cares what THEY think, I heard that speech from start to finish and I was okay with it’. Reading Ta Nehisi and the very civil back and forth that followed (including Ta N’s interaction with the commenters) was a good exercise for ME. I felt quite comfortable (& surprisingly no anger) reading the back and forth and seeing merit in certain responses even though I didn’t necessarily agree with them. Discussion the way it should be (comparing – the world as is or the world as it should be)?

                    • 116 cookemom
                      May 20, 2013 at 10:54 pm

                      I appreciate you taking the time to read the comments and be open minded enough to want to absorb the various opinions. That you benefited from the discourse is secondary to your willingness to explore beyond an initial reaction. To me, that is growth and shows a level of confidence and self awareness. It means that you’re comfortable enough to hear others truths, even about a topic that doesn’t touch you on a personal level. Admirable indeed.

                    • 117 vcprezofan2
                      May 20, 2013 at 11:06 pm

                      😳 😳

                      BTW, anything to do with PBO touches me on a personal level. (Don’t want to make you dizzy running to get back here, so after this see you on the current thread)

      • 118 CEB
        May 20, 2013 at 4:46 pm

        Critics ths like these two are from the “is he black enough” camp. As I said yesterday, Ef ’em and the jealous horse that they rode in on. I love how PBO and Michelle just go on being who they are and ignoring all of the insane chatter.

    • May 20, 2013 at 2:47 pm

      I dunno……but I’m with you

      • 120 Eveingeorgia
        May 20, 2013 at 2:54 pm

        Hey, Rickyrah, I heard you at Field Negro yesterday. Thanks for the support..some real strange replies over there.

        • 121 Eveingeorgia
          May 20, 2013 at 2:57 pm

          Sorry about the spelling of your name; my iPad thinks it knows what I meant to write. In other words, it wasn’t me.

    • 122 cookemom
      May 20, 2013 at 3:25 pm

      Ok read Tim Wise and I do understand what he’s saying about the venue for the message. These young men were not the audience that needed to hear PBO’s message. Those young men are already on a path of becoming upstanding citizens and an asset to society. They like he did, see the value of hard work and dedication. The young men who needed to hear that message, were not in the seats at Moorehouse, rather probably somewhere thinking it’s cool to know all the words in Lil Wayne’s last rap song.

      It is true that those type messages are not carried on to non-AA audiences. The reason may be because we do allow ourselves to feel that they don’t need the information. Is it because we think they are somehow inherently privileged enough that they won’t fall into the pitfalls, or is it they are not expected to perform less than stellar by society at large?

      So I get what Wise is saying. I also get that there’s a lot of work to do and no one man is going to do it alone. I think it’s one of those subjects that is so personal depending on where you fall in the spectrum of the message, that there is no right or wrong. For example, Tim, himself being quite societal privileged, can afford to be very vocal about the delivery, rather than the message. Others, who may have a young man in the household who needed to hear this message, knowing how that same society views him, can at least point to what PBO said and use it on that level.

      • 123 canadabarb4obama
        May 20, 2013 at 4:58 pm

        I am certain there were thousands of young men watching on tv and in the overflow audience. If it touched even one person, there was nothing PBO needed to change.

        • 124 cookemom
          May 20, 2013 at 5:05 pm

          That wasn’t the point of Wise’s argument. His point was that the particular audience in question already know the message and already have started on their path to success. Kinda like preaching to the choir is Wise’s point. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t see that Wise has standing to even comment on the subject. I can understand other AAs, whose personal experiences give them the right to speak out on it. There is no right or wrong to this. It’s a personal AA thing, we don’t have to think alike or agree on everything.

          • 125 canadabarb4obama
            May 20, 2013 at 5:18 pm

            My point: Wise need not be yet another armchair quarterback.
            I personally love hearing PBO’s words of wisdom. probably much like the young gentleman in the picture who had tears streaming down his cheeks. I’m certain he appreciated every word.

            • 126 cookemom
              May 20, 2013 at 5:55 pm

              “I personally love hearing PBO’s words of wisdom”. Exactly my point.

              It’s too personal to dismiss out of hand, that someone may have objected to having to hear about the importance of taking care of their families and other stereotypical inferences given to our AA youths in a commencement address. Not that it shouldn’t be raised, but that its raised at a college graduation venue.

              Wasn’t that young man the one PBO called on to stand? Then PBO went on to talk about his accomplishments. Of course tears were streaming. Whether he was one of the folks who had no problem with the message in that forum isn’t the point. The point is that the feelings of any AA who may question if this was the time or place are valid.

              • 127 canadabarb4obama
                May 20, 2013 at 6:20 pm

                In your opinion this is a valid question.

                • 128 cookemom
                  May 20, 2013 at 6:38 pm

                  I don’t disagree with you. I just have room to listen to and hear other folks opinions is all. I’ve made several comments on this thread and the next one on this topic, which sums up how I feel on the subject.

                  I’m moving on from this. There is too much happening right now with kids in OK who will never make it to college. They won’t hear a commencement address of any kind.

  29. 130 vcprezofan2
    May 20, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    LovelyPlains, have I told you lately that I love your Obama Admin profiles? Today, I also particularly like the fact that you included a link to the previous profiles. We are so pampered on this site – everything we need at our fingertips! Sure hope you continue to feel the lovely positive vibes that come with being part of our community. THANKs!

    • May 20, 2013 at 4:46 pm

      TY VC, very kind ouf you….but I can’t take credit for adding the links to the previous profiles….Chipsticks was kind and smart enough to add the links!

  30. 133 Jovie
    May 20, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    So, the T Party are going to point to these trumped up SCNDALES as a way to get rid of the Federal Government once and for all.
    This is what they are running in in 2014 and 2016.
    States Rights again!!

  31. 134 Jovie
    May 20, 2013 at 2:10 pm

  32. 136 Dudette
    May 20, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Happy Belated Birthday to our girl prettyfoot58

  33. 138 Dudette
    May 20, 2013 at 2:19 pm

  34. 139 cookemom
    May 20, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    On Rosen. Is it illegal for a news person to publish classified information? I thought it was legal to publish, but illegal for a person with national clearance to have certain information to leak it to a third party. I thought that the news person would often let officials know that they had the leaked info out of professional courtesy. Depending on what it was they would even hold it if requested, or give a heads up as to when it would be published. So correct me if I’m wrong, did Rosen commit a crime? Who is this Kim person anyway?

    • 140 57andfemale
      May 20, 2013 at 2:56 pm

      I think this is the case. I believe that pursuing the reporters is the option of last resort in order to identify someone who is leaking the classified info.

      There is a lot of emotion running high, and very few in the press are keeping cool heads. Wouldn’t it be great if the press actually was objective and could make the distinctions that you’re making?

      Ryan Lizza REALLY wanted everyone to think that Rosen was being subjected to criminal prosecution. That does not appear to be the case. And let’s be clear: the Rosen/Kim case is four years old; so this was paraded out by the Post in order bolster the AP story, and it is less than honest, in my opinion.

      God, I remember a time when we could have a serious, informed debate on these lines and where they should be drawn. We can no longer have civil, informed discussions anymore. So pathetic.

    • May 20, 2013 at 3:05 pm

      Posted info about Kim, upthread, cookemom. If you have authorized access to classified information and you disclose it, you’ve broken the law(s). If you make any attempt to breach the mechanisms protecting classified information, you’ve broken the law(s). Typically a journalist who publishes classified information is not in violation of the law. But, Rosen, did not merely take info from Kim and publish it, he appears to have actively conspired and, in_deed, devised a strategy to breach the mechanisms protecting classified information to gain access, not the least of which was intentionally compromising someone entrusted with, and responsible for, classified information. In this case, the classified information is of a very special nature and releasing the information compromises much more than most folk realize, i.e., it’s not just the content of the information, it’s the systems by which the information is obtained. Whether they prosecute him remains to be seen.

      • 142 57andfemale
        May 20, 2013 at 3:17 pm

        Thank you, Bobfr, for the absolutely best analysis and fact-finding on this issue. In the sea of misinformation, and emotional and political grandstanding, this was the most helpful paragraph I’ve read.

      • 144 cookemom
        May 20, 2013 at 3:32 pm

        Thanks so much. I was trying to compare this to what the ABC guy is suppose to have done with the Benghazi info. This isn’t exactly the same thing. Is this another shiny object to distract from what Jonathon ‘do you have the juice’ Karl actually did?

        • May 20, 2013 at 5:27 pm

          What the ABC dude aka Jonathan Karl did is, at a minimum, pass on GOP-falsified email information – nothing confidential, just manufactured bs intended to harm the President’s political standing. Karl may well have known it was fabricated, but we don’t know that.

          The two ‘shinny objects’ that are similar are the AP’s reporting on the ‘under ware bomber’ and what Fox/James Rosen did re: North Korea nuclear testing. In both cases highly classified information was leaked. In one case, the ‘journalist’ was actively attempting to compromise mechanisms that protect classified information and succeeded when he got Kim to participate and provide that information to him. In the other instance, it is probable that a political operative with access to highly classified CIA information leaked to one or more AP ‘journalists.’ Whether said reporter(s) was actively trying to compromise mechanisms or whether the operative merely wanted someone to post the story – all in an attempt to undermine President Obama during an election year – are facts currently being investigated.

          • 146 cookemom
            May 20, 2013 at 5:33 pm

            I get it now, different toilets….. same sheet. In the end, attempts to bring down a presidency.

  35. 147 Linda
    May 20, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s inspector general says the U.S. Attorney in Arizona violated department policy by providing Fox News with information apparently aimed at undercutting the credibility of a federal agent who helped reveal the botched arms-trafficking probe called Operation Fast and Furious.

    The IG says there was substantial evidence in the 2011 incident that then-U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke’s motive for disclosing a memo by federal agent John Dodson was retaliation. In testimony to a House committee just two weeks earlier, Dodson had raised serious concerns about Operation Fast and Furious.

    Why would a PBO appointee leak to Fox……???? This man resigned in August of 2011

  36. 148 Dudette
    May 20, 2013 at 2:28 pm

  37. 149 Dudette
    May 20, 2013 at 2:29 pm

  38. 154 Dudette
    May 20, 2013 at 2:32 pm

  39. 157 Dudette
    May 20, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    • 158 Gazelle62
      May 20, 2013 at 2:55 pm

      Remember the President is to make an announcement on Thursday re Gitmo.

    • 159 Linda
      May 20, 2013 at 2:56 pm

      Finding someone else may not be easy. Colorado State Penitentiary II, also known as Centennial South, consists of 948 solitary-confinement cells.

      It has no dining room, no gym, no rooms where a group of prisoners could take classes or go to therapy or get vocational training. It’s row after identical row of empty cells.

      This sounds like a pet project and was never intended to be in use, doesn’t it ?

      • 160 Dudette
        May 20, 2013 at 3:00 pm

        They could reconfigure parts of the building if needed. Better than letting it sit empty.

      • 161 Alycee (@jazziz2)
        May 20, 2013 at 3:17 pm

        There’s a brand new EMPTY facility in either IL or MI (forget which); as I recall, the facility was on the short list to be converted to federal use and the residents near the prison WANTED the jobs it would bring. The no-balls congress defunded transfers…

  40. 162 dotster3
    May 20, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Sam Nunn’s daughter—-possible Ga. sen. candidate

  41. 164 Dudette
    May 20, 2013 at 3:01 pm

  42. 165 forus50
    May 20, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Some good info on these tweets. FOX is going to get all twisted trying to defend Rosen and not act like the ACLU here.


  43. 167 FiredUpInCA
    May 20, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Charles Pierce on Jonathan Karl:

    “Assuming the FAIR report is accurate, then Jonathan Karl was not trained as a journalist, because the Collegiate Network doesn’t produce journalists. It produces partisan warriors. He was not trained as a reporter, because the Collegiate Network doesn’t produce reporters. It produces propagandists. He was not trained as a newsman, because the Collegiate Network doesn’t produce newsmen. It produces hacks.

    This is, of course, indelicate for someone in my business to say but, at every level of his steady rise in the business, some executive should have looked at Karl’s resume, seen The Collegiate Network there, and then shitcanned the thing before the interview process even began. Are there conservatives who are good reporters? Absolutely. But all the ones that I know came up the same way I did, and none of them came up through the coddled terrariums of the activist Right. They learned their craft. They were not trained to be spies in the camp of the enemy. They were not trained to be moles. And every damn one of them would have checked those phony e-mails before throwing them out to the public, and most of them wouldn’t have fallen for them, because they are journalists, reporters, and newsmen. They are not partisan warriors, propagandists, or hacks. If Jonathan Karl doesn’t like being called a hack, then he should stop being a hack. Here’s one way to do it.

    Blow the source who lied to you and, therefore, lied to us.

    Do that. Or be a hack.”


  44. 168 Jovie
    May 20, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    Senior White House staff knew of the ongoing investigation into the IRS’s targeting of conservative groups ahead of the release of a report from a Treasury Department inspector general, White House press secretary Jay Carney said Monday, but held off on informing the president to wait for a final report.

    With the knowledge of an investigation, the White House held to a “cardinal rule” that it should not get involved in an external investigation, Carney said during his daily briefing. “No one in this building intervened in an ongoing independent investigation or did anything that could be seen as intervening,” he said.

    “To the chagrin of some who would have liked us to get more in front of this, we appropriately waited,” Carney later added.

    Getting sick of this drip drip drip!!!

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