Joe Walsh says no “real” music is made any longer. Interesting.

One of my favorite music shows on Palladia is “Live from Daryl’s House”, where Daryl Hall of Hall & Oates fame brings the great and the talented to his house in upstate NY for a jam session and some good food and drink.

One of his episodes had Joe Walsh of the Eagles. At one point, Mr. Walsh went on a rant that all modern music is “digital” and artificial and doesn’t have the warmth of human performance.

This is my response.

Emeli Sande makes fake music, obviously.

Kings of Leon just bloops and bleeps with those fancy computers.

None of the Alabama Shakes seems to know a thing about creating real, organic music.

I bet Adele is just lip-synching, and the piano is piped in.

So, Mr. Walsh. You’re a great musician. But maybe you should spend less time telling kids to get off your lawn and actually look around you to see that the world is full of wonderful, amazing music. Without it, we’d be much the poorer.

This is your night owl open thread.

101 Responses to “Joe Walsh says no “real” music is made any longer. Interesting.”

  1. 6 hopefruit2
    April 26, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    Congrats CarolMae on #1 🙂

  2. April 26, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    Story on AJE about the sequester affecting the Grand Canyon. People bitching about the cuts in staff. Well, IF YOU DIDN’T VOTE FOR GOPERS, WE’D HAVE FEWER PROBLEMS! Jesus.

  3. 15 a4alice
    April 26, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    huh. yah no music. none at all! Thanks for a great post LL. 🙂

  4. April 26, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    Today is Hug an Australion Day! 99t. . .
    Though the origins of this event are unclear, Hug An Australian Day has quickly become popular over the last few years, and is celebrated by sending the likes of greeting cards and e-cards to Aussie friends.

  5. April 26, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    FYI –

  6. 22 jacquelineoboomer
    April 26, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    No matter what, this is still blissfully true:

  7. April 26, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    So, serious question: who resurrected the #YouPulledAnObama hashtag? That was from last summer.

    • 25 jacquelineoboomer
      April 26, 2013 at 11:13 pm

      I dunno. But it’s seriously nice to see all the plaudits for him, for a change, without somebody’s questioning his decisions or motives.

  8. 26 japa21
    April 26, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    LL, you had me fooled for a second ther. Saw the title of the post and almost didn’t want to come here. I said to myself, “Self, why do you want to read about some crazy comment your former Congressman made?” But I stopped by anywayThanks.

  9. 28 CarolynfromDetroit
    April 26, 2013 at 11:20 pm

    I was so worried during the last election that people wouldn’t be able to vote because of all the voter suppression laws. The media did not mention voter suppression (only MSNBC ) and I was wondering why people weren’t doing something about it in their states…they were. People were paying attention and the turnout was phenomenal. I’m not hearing much about the sequester but I realize that might not mean that people are not cognizant of what’s happening and who’s responsible. Things I know for sure — we aren’t going to get truth from the press or anything positive about the President. If we don’t get out and vote and more of these crazy people get elected, we won’t recognize these United States of America.

    • 29 jacquelineoboomer
      April 26, 2013 at 11:40 pm

      Hallelujah. Great call to arms, and you said everything I basically feel about this topic!

  10. 30 Walking_on_ Sunshine
    April 26, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    I am loving Alabama Shakes. I predict they will be my next musical obsession. This song “Hold On” I just love. I enjoyed the performance of this song at the Whitehouse and also SNL. That girl is one hell of a singer.

    • 31 4morefor44
      April 26, 2013 at 11:23 pm

      brittany howard. she’s really one of the greats of the new generation. i’m really curious what she decides to do with her career, and alabama shales as a band too. that letterman performance above is the norm for her. amazing.

      • 32 Walking_on_ Sunshine
        April 26, 2013 at 11:31 pm

        TY! I am on the verge of downloading everything I can get hold of from them. Saw them for the first time on SNL and was thrilled that they were invited to sing at the WH.

    • 33 jacquelineoboomer
      April 26, 2013 at 11:39 pm

      I totally agree, W_O_S. Love her! Kind of reminds me of the persona of Janis Joplin (go figure), although she’s totally different in so many ways. Maybe it’s just me!

  11. April 26, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    Really, between AJE, BBC World, and France24, I have no need for US teevee news.

  12. 44 amk for obama
    April 26, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    The US Justice Department on Friday accused drug maker Novartis of paying kickbacks to doctors to prescribe the company’s drugs over rival products.

    In the second US lawsuit against the Swiss firm this week, the Justice Department said its US unit Novartis Pharmaceuticals had boosted sales of its more expensive brand-name drugs by offering incentives to prescribing doctors that were ultimately paid for by public health-care programs.

    The lawsuit, filed in the US district court in New York, alleged that, to promote Novartis drugs like Lotrel and Valturna, used for hypertension, and Starlix, for diabetes, the company paid doctors to make speeches at what were only “social occasions” and put on lavish dinners for the doctors.

    The payoffs involved “thousands” of speaker programs in which the doctors “spent little or no time discussing the drug at issue.”

    “Instead, Novartis simply wined and dined the doctors at high-end restaurants with astronomical costs, as well as in sports bars, on fishing trips, and at other venues not conducive to an educational program,” the suit said.

    Such actions “were, in reality, kickbacks to the speakers and attendees to induce them to write prescriptions for Novartis drugs,” the department said.

    The payments violated the US Anti-Kickback Statute and led to the government paying “false claims” via its health-care programs for Novartis drugs.


  13. 47 MightyPamela
    April 26, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    I ❤ Adele. She fascinates me, utterly. Goodnight TOD. http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=PBO

  14. 48 hopefruit2
    April 26, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    • 49 amk for obama
      April 26, 2013 at 11:41 pm

      That’s not ‘news’ to us at all.

      occupy wall street should have really been about occupy us media.

    • 52 jacquelineoboomer
      April 26, 2013 at 11:51 pm

      This sounds too pat, to blame the Obama administration. There are tactics, I realize, for national security purposes, to propagandize the news. And there are news blackouts, where news organizations agree not to report news until a certain date and time. But the former is covert, and the latter is normal reporting. So put up or shut up, lady.

      Now, if she wants to totally blame CNN, I’m in.

      • 53 hopefruit2
        April 26, 2013 at 11:52 pm

        I didn’t realize she was blaming the administration with that comment. She should be blaming CNN.

        • 54 jacquelineoboomer
          April 26, 2013 at 11:56 pm

          She’s saying CNN receives money from the U.S. government and other governments in exchange for news content. And ” … she received orders to send false news and exclude some others which the US administration did not favor with the aim to create a public opinion in favor of launching an aggression on Iran and Syria.”

          • 55 hopefruit2
            April 26, 2013 at 11:58 pm

            What a dolt. She’s looking for attention.

          • 57 Lovepolitics2008
            April 27, 2013 at 2:04 am

            “The US administration” doesn’t necessary mean that President Obama knows everything about this. Could be CIA, the Pentagon. What is being done and what the President and his core team are being told may be two different things. Did Mr. Panetta have complete control of the CIA ? Of the Pentagon ? What did Petraeus know and/or do ? Just saying…

            I did a very quick research on Amber Lyon. Articles from “syrianews” have to be taken with big grain of salt. But the videos of interviews with her are more interesting. Of course it’s on russian tv. However she appears sincere and what she says is plausible. CNN corrupted at the higests levels ? You bet.

    • 58 jackiegrumbacher
      April 27, 2013 at 8:08 am

      Well, hf, it’s actually healthy for someone to admit it. Anyone who believes US news will believe anything. We have a media that’s unworthy of a democratic people, which is probably the point.

    • 59 Nena20409
      April 27, 2013 at 9:53 am

      US Gov’t? Meaning what exactly? That Pres Obama’s ADM is asking for fabricated News for he wants to invade Syria and Iran? That is something that I find difficult to believe. If that were the case, why is the Obama ADM not insisting that CNN portray them fairly? Hmm? This woman is full of sound and fury signifying Nothing. If she was talking about the GW Bush reign…..I might buy her charges.

  15. 60 Obama Grandmama
    April 26, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    I am a fanatic American Idol watcher. The four women left are, in my opinion the best final four ever. I have watched every season too. I am in it for Angie because of her voice, piano skills and song writing. I can see any one of them winning though due to how great their voices are.

  16. April 26, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    Ok all, stay fabulous. 7 a.m. comes early around these parts.

  17. 62 amk for obama
    April 26, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    Dhaka building collapse: Factory owners arrested


  18. 63 jacquelineoboomer
    April 26, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    Guys – I’m using Google Chrome and I just got a pop-up new tab that says “you’ve gone incognito” and a bunch of other stuff. Any idea what that means?

    • 64 hopefruit2
      April 26, 2013 at 11:57 pm

      No, but I’ve gotten a bunch of different pop-ups when going to sites like Youtube in the past which I have (and continue to) ignore by just X-ing them out. Example of such a pop-up: “Three people have unfriended you on FB”

      • 65 jacquelineoboomer
        April 27, 2013 at 12:03 am

        Okay, thanks so much. I did X-out right away. I’ve had those “everybody hates you” pop-ups, too. Ha!

        • 66 hopefruit2
          April 27, 2013 at 12:09 am

          Yes – now I’ve been getting another one: “two people are spying on you.” The only two people they could be referring to are Chuck Todd and Mark Knoller, and to hell with both of them!

          • 67 jacquelineoboomer
            April 27, 2013 at 12:13 am

            Ha! I almost mentioned that when I see those “unknown people unfriended you on FB” notices, I say a mental “FU” back, but that wouldn’t be nice to mention, so I didn’t.

            I have thought of a new term for Chuckie and Markie, which I’m waiting to share with both of them when they least expect it (I’m like one of their little pop-ups), to express how I feel about what they write about PBO:

            potus envy

  19. 68 hopefruit2
    April 27, 2013 at 12:01 am

    Another good read from Smartypants 🙂

    // ‘m not going to get my undies in a bunch because Congress voted to give the FAA some leeway on how they implement the sequester.

    Sure, its cowardly to work on behalf of people who can afford to fly while not seeming to give a shit about regular folks who are being damaged by the sequester. And believe me…I’m noticing how my own Senator Amy Klobuchar seems so intent on taking care of her corporate clients lately. You can bet she’ll be hearing from me about her priorities.

    But lets take a big picture look at what’s happening here. Its not like they took money from some other program to cover costs for the FAA furloughs. They simply gave the agency more flexibility in implementing the cuts. //


    • 69 jacquelineoboomer
      April 27, 2013 at 12:10 am

      I think that’s so true. It’s intra-FAA not inter-government. If I used intra- and inter- right! And it saved ATCs from furloughs. I’m good on all of that. The rest of the sequester still SUCKS.

    • 70 theo67
      April 27, 2013 at 12:30 am

      Yes – we should let our anger at Congress’ ability to work on behalf of the rich and privileged drive us to vote the Republicans out in 2014, and demand a stronger Democratic Party. I’m livid that Congress – Democrats, but mostly Republicans, worked so hard to make sure no CEO was inconvenienced by having to use a commercial airport for their private jet travel, even while they enjoy tax cuts for those private jets at the cost of every other victim of the sequester. The private airports where these traffic controllers were being furloughed are used primarily by private jets.

      Outside of that, I’m happy that the traffic controllers won’t be furloughed.

  20. 71 desertflower
    April 27, 2013 at 12:19 am

    night all. Party on!

  21. 73 jacquelineoboomer
    April 27, 2013 at 12:20 am

  22. April 27, 2013 at 12:37 am

  23. 75 Alycee (@jazziz2)
    April 27, 2013 at 2:14 am

    VP is a much better person than me…

    • 76 Indie Liberal
      April 27, 2013 at 2:19 am

      Can’t wait for some (not all and not you nice folks :)) those that fiercely support PBO jump all over VP Biden for speaking to McCain like they did with SOS Kerry and the Amb. Rice thing. Hopefully they won’t be nearly as nasty and mean spirted as they are/ were to Kerry. Just sayin.

      If this comment isn’t appropriate here, just ignore me. Just venting. VP and PBO have very strong skin when dealing with McCain, Graham, etc.

      • 77 amk for obama
        April 27, 2013 at 9:33 am

        So what’s your point ?

        • 78 Indie Liberal
          April 27, 2013 at 3:24 pm

          Just no that there the same who will go easy on VP Biden (there isn’t nothing wrong with what he said here, he just being diplomatic), but will give our SOS Kerry a hard time for what happened with Amb. Rice in the McCain/Graham/Ayotte witchunt.

          I don’t use Twitter, but lurk there are saw a lot of vitriolic tweets aimed at the wrong person. PBO/VP Biden and Amb. Rice would have been appalled.

    • 79 jackiegrumbacher
      April 27, 2013 at 8:10 am

      I’ll bet Biden didn’t feel the same, Alycee.

    • 81 4morefor44
      April 27, 2013 at 3:31 am

      sorry, but anyone promoting “uniteblue” is not a real senator warren supporter in my opinion. that group is a fake liberal group designed to aid the “divide and conquer” strategy republicans have been working on for decades. it’s time more people understood this.

  24. April 27, 2013 at 2:39 am

    Can’t thank you enough, LL, for this thread. Will just leave these two gifts of music that mean much to me, and wish all TODers either a restful night or a wonderful Saturday – depending on time zone of those viewing this as it’s posted …

    #TrustBarack Because he’s cool and amazingly empathetic

  25. April 27, 2013 at 5:10 am

    “I’d like to introduce to you the next president of the United States – Mr. Joe Walsh – and here is an industrial love song”

  26. 87 Alycee (@jazziz2)
    April 27, 2013 at 6:05 am

    • 88 dotster3
      April 27, 2013 at 7:34 am

      No, Joe B.—–you are mistaken.

      • 89 jackiegrumbacher
        April 27, 2013 at 8:13 am

        Agree, Dotster, Biden is throwing pixie dust over McCain. There is no way McCain and his dolt of a VP, along with their sloppy campaign, could have beat the Obama team. NO WAY!

        • 90 hgerhard
          April 27, 2013 at 9:48 am

          That’s the ballgame analysis which unfortunately dominates all political discussion. Let me rephrase this: Mr. McCain – you might have had a better chance at the presidency if your party had not brought the country to near total disaster. If all had been just fine in 2008, more people would have been disinterested and would have just voted for the more familiar. But the American people were literally shaken awake to look at the quality of their leadership and therefore opted for the clearly more qualified person. And what’s more, Mr. McCain and Mr. Romney as well, in 2012 the American people decided that they had made the right choice. Period.

      • April 27, 2013 at 9:25 am

        Agreed, Dotster. I loved my veep. But McCain is an overrated buffoon.

    • 93 hopefruit2
      April 27, 2013 at 9:17 am

      That’s right. Just like Hillary Clinton would “probably” have beat Obama in 2008 if it weren’t for ___. Just like Mitt Romney would “probably” have beat Obama in 2012 if it weren’t for ___. I know the media loves to take jabs at PBO especially when they twist words from his own supporters or cabinet members. But you have to read and understand Joe’s words very carefully, not the WaPo’s GOP ass-kissing interpretation.

      If the economy didn’t collapse, something else would have happened that would push PBO into the Presidency BECAUSE PBO was the better candidate. If McCain was the better candidate, the collapsed economy would be in McCain’s favor because people would TRUST him MORE to fix it. But people decided that they wanted the BETTER candidate at the helm. There was no collapsed economy in during the Dem primary in 2008 or during the presidential in 2012. But Obama was the BETTER candidate and people voted accordingly.

    • 94 amk for obama
      April 27, 2013 at 9:31 am

      So why was PBO re-elected if ‘bad economy’ was the sole criteria ? Economy was still limping (thanks to rethugs 2010) and mittbot was supposed to be that ‘turn around miracle manager’, better than mcangry, given his ‘bidness’ creds.

      wapo should really be kissing my ass.

      They are fluffing mcangry for some upcoming votes – debt ceiling, immigration, even possibly gun control act 2.

  27. April 27, 2013 at 8:23 am

    Happy Saturday everyone! Just working on R&S – it should be ready by Tuesday. Kidding. Ish.

  28. April 27, 2013 at 9:22 am

    • 98 anniebella
      April 27, 2013 at 10:12 am

      The difference here is the Plan Parenthood appreciated what this President have done for them, that other group rather complain that this President have not done enough for them, even though that ain’t true.

  29. April 27, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Happy Saturday everyone. Hey Gobrooklyn, I don’t know if you will see this post this morning, but please know that I am praying for you. So sorry to hear that you not doing well.

    God Bless!!

  30. 101 lockewasright
    April 27, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Ok, late me take a break from yelling “Get off of my lawn!” at the neighborhood kids for a minute to defend Joe Walsh just a little bit. I think that he made a mistake in using absolute language, There is real music being made today and some of it is excellent. However, the standard for what counts as music also took a flat out disgusting nose dive in the 80s and has stayed pretty damn low.

    At some point it became acceptable to even bother to learn how to play an instrument. People started using machines to make a drum beat. The lead flat out vanished. An electronically generated bass lines and sampled treble (from a time when people actually had the talent to create original content on an intrument after years or decades of developing the skills to play it) became popular. The McDonaldization of music killed the art and created a Wal-Mart facsimile of music. In my view you could call it sound, but not really music. I could copy and paste an image of ‘Water Lillies’ here for everyone to view and enjoy. That wouldn’t make me a french impressionist. I can pop open a can of Chef Boyardee and nuke it. It would be sustainance and it would even contain a full serving of vegetables. That wouldn’t make it cuisine or me a chef. I get Joe’s point and I agree passionately even if his statement was WAY too broad.

    Here is a video which, like some of the stuff posted above, both show the exception to make Joe’s statement inaccurate, but which also show that there is a difference between “real music” and easily marketable low talent crap that insults everyone who learned how to play an instrument and how to arrange parts (percussion, bass guitar, rhythm guitar, lead guitar, keyboards, horns, etc.) to create a whole sound.

    Now that video is from 2003, but it shows that there is “REAL” music happening. It’s just not the standard anymore and the band (The Allman Brothers Band) dates back to the 60s. I mean come on! It wasn’t long ago that we has a Superbowl half-time “musical” performance by Madonna where we were 2/3 of the way through the performance before there was a single damn instrument on the stage! Even then it was a solo by Slash that was only minimally impressive and it was considered novel. That’s a pretty sad state of affairs in the view of a guy who has enough blues in his iTunes library to run a radio station, enough classic rock to run 2 radio stations and so much Tchaikovski that my 7 year old can whistle along with entire concertos.

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