Today’s the day for Marriage Equality

Marriage equality gets its day in court

Steve Benen: It will be a historic day at the Supreme Court this morning, as part of a historic week. Today, the justices will consider the constitutionality of California’s ban on same-sex marriage, a law generally known as Proposition 8, followed by related arguments tomorrow challenging the legality of the Defense of Marriage Act. Let’s briefly review what to expect today.

At issue is a case called Hollingsworth v. Perry, brought forward by legal heavyweights — David Boies and former Solicitor General Ted Olson, who faced against one another in Bush v. Gore — challenging California’s ban, approved in 2008. They were successful at both the federal district court and the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, though as Adam Liptak explained, the latter court issued a narrower ruling: the jurists concluded that “voters were not entitled to withdraw a constitutional right once it had been established by the State Supreme Court.”

The reasoning appeared calculated to appeal to Justice Anthony Kennedy, and if upheld, it would not automatically invalidate other bans on marriage equality in other states. More on him later.

More here


Alaska Sen. Mark Begich Says “Same Sex Couples Should Be Able To Marry”

BuzzFeed: “I believe that same sex couples should be able to marry and should have the same rights, privileges and responsibilities as any other married couple,” the Alaskan senator said in what appears to be his first direct statement on the subject.

“Government should keep out of individuals’ personal lives—if someone wants to marry someone they love, they should be able to. Alaskans are fed up with government intrusion into our private lives, our daily business, and in the way we manage our resources and economy,” he continued.

More here


Starbucks CEO Doubles Down on Gay-Marriage Support, Telling Shareholder to Sell Stake if He Doesn’t Like Views

Time: “If you feel, respectfully, that you can get a higher return than the 38% you got last year, it’s a free country. You can sell your shares of Starbucks and buy shares in another company. Thank you very much,” Schultz said, to applause from the audience.

More here


Today at the Court

SCOTUSBlog: At 10 a.m. we expect one or more opinions in argued cases. There will be no live blog this morning, but we will post on opinions promptly.

Following opinions, the Justices will hear oral argument in Hollingsworth v. Perry, a challenge to the constitutionality of California’s ban on same-sex marriage. Lyle has written on the issues and briefs in the case here, here, here, and here. Amy’s preview “In Plain English” is here. A Q&A on the basics of the same-sex marriage cases from Greg Stohr of Bloomberg is here.

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124 Responses to “Today’s the day for Marriage Equality”

  1. March 26, 2013 at 8:39 am

    semmetry11!!!!! Nice! Good post this a.m. 🙂 Gooooooooood morning all!

  2. 4 symmetry11
    March 26, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Good morning everyone. Today holds a special meaning to me as I have more than a few very important people in my life that this will affect. I am trying to be hopefully of the outcome.

    • 5 andogriff
      March 26, 2013 at 9:34 am

      Nice post Symmetry, WTG! We are also hopeful about today’s outcome, hope it is a positive one.

    • March 26, 2013 at 9:39 am

      Symmetry!!! Thanks a million for this, as usual I was late getting to the blog so was THRILLED to see a morning post. I added a toon to the top of it, just to illustrate it, which I thought was appropriate, hope you’re okay with it? Thank you SO much again!

    • 8 vcprezofan2
      March 26, 2013 at 9:53 am

      Good Morning, Symmetry! A very nice way to focus our attention this morning, and I’ll be hopeful alongside you. There is no question that many people have ‘grown’ in their understanding of equality and how it impacts (should impact) the lives of all citizens.

  3. 9 utaustinliberal
    March 26, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Good job symmetry.

  4. March 26, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Wow i don’t see other comments yet

  5. 12 utaustinliberal
    March 26, 2013 at 8:45 am

    • 13 cindy sweatt
      March 26, 2013 at 10:36 am

      I am so proud of my daughter. She and her fiancee are at the Supreme Court today marching for marriage equality.

  6. 14 utaustinliberal
    March 26, 2013 at 8:46 am

  7. 15 hopefruit2
    March 26, 2013 at 8:52 am

  8. 17 proudmemberofglobalzero
    March 26, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Great Post. Here is an article on my Niece Lindsay and her wife Johnna. They were married 3 years ago. They now have a son.


  9. March 26, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Great job on updating us on this current issue, symmetry! Momentous day.

    Good morning, Chips and TODville.

  10. March 26, 2013 at 9:02 am

  11. 24 utaustinliberal
    March 26, 2013 at 9:09 am

  12. 25 utaustinliberal
    March 26, 2013 at 9:13 am

  13. 26 utaustinliberal
    March 26, 2013 at 9:15 am

  14. 28 amk for obama
    March 26, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Congrats symmetry on your debut post.

    Isn’t starbucks ceo a libertarian when it comes to ‘job creators’ ? Or is it some other whacko ceo ?

    • 29 taiping1
      March 26, 2013 at 10:06 am

      You are thinking of Whole Foods. Starbucks CEO came out for raising minimum wage too. Congrats and thanks Symmetry for this great post. Fingers crossed for sanity and equality for all.

      • 30 4morefor44
        March 26, 2013 at 10:42 am

        starbuck guy (howard schultz) did recently do some stupid “both sides do it” stunt on the side of his cups, promoting false equivalence. can’t remember the issue, but it was dumb. overall though, yea, he’s not as bad as the whole foods guy and so many other republican/libertarians who think they created the earth all on their own.

  15. March 26, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Good morning all. GREAT job symmetry……..I smiled when I saw your name and thought “My ‘neighbor'”…….proud of you. I’m sure we are all praying today for open hearts and open minds.

  16. 35 utaustinliberal
    March 26, 2013 at 9:23 am

  17. 36 amk for obama
    March 26, 2013 at 9:24 am

    One of the students from my school won Princess Diana award from UK for his environment campaign. The 9th grader has already to global audience in Tokyo, Germany & UK. We are so proud of him.

    • 37 andogriff
      March 26, 2013 at 9:36 am

      No wonder you are proud of him, amk… sounds like a great kid!

    • 38 desertflower
      March 26, 2013 at 9:51 am

      Amazing accomplishment for such a young student! I’m proud of him, too:)

    • March 26, 2013 at 9:55 am

      Woah, excellent, congratulations to the student!!!

    • 40 amk for obama
      March 26, 2013 at 10:01 am

      Thank you ag, df and bt.

      I have heard the boy speak and he is very passionate about environment. Has done lotsa research at this young age.

      That’s two students from my school in a really, really rural part of India that have gone international.

      A totally brilliant girl from my school is already doing her bachelor’s at Stanford with a scholarship.

      Kudos & thanks to our dedicated & talented teachers.

      • 41 vcprezofan2
        March 26, 2013 at 10:34 am

        Congratulations to the young man, his teachers and ….. ! [Wait, YOU don’t TEACH at the school do you? 😯 ]

        • 42 amk for obama
          March 26, 2013 at 10:54 am

          I said “dedicated & talented teachers”. If want to put me in that group, I’m cool with it. 🙂

          • 43 vcprezofan2
            March 26, 2013 at 11:26 am

            Neat avoidance there, you! As one of your former students, I was interested in sharing notes with the lad.

            BTW Teacher Amk, I haven’t found today’s step by step lesson re adding words to pic-twits. You on spring break? I ain’t, so do step it up.
            Oh, and thanks (in advance).

      • 44 57andfemale
        March 26, 2013 at 11:58 am

        Very cool. Congratulations to these young, passionate, informed students.

    • 45 cindy sweatt
      March 26, 2013 at 10:38 am

      That just excites me.

  18. 47 hopefruit2
    March 26, 2013 at 9:33 am

    G’morning Symmetry, Chips, TOD, lurkers, etc. Happy Tuesday!!

  19. 48 jackiegrumbacher
    March 26, 2013 at 9:34 am

    I do think that this is the “time has come” moment on gay marriage, just as there was such a moment on civil rights and women’s rights. All the pieces of support are falling into place with group after group, politician after politician, state after state, falling into line. That doesn’t mean that all prejudices will suddenly disappear, but, in a few years, gay marriage will be commonplace and people will wonder what the fuss was all about. I think the issue of gun safety and immigration are inching toward such a “time has come” moment, but we’re not quite there yet. We also need some mega awareness moment that all the anti-women legislation coming out of our fetus obsessed state legislatures has to stop. We need to start making very big noises about this and holding these state legislators accountable. I don’t think the traditional women’s groups are doing a good job right now. Would like to see Hilary Clinton making a very public statement about women’s reproductive rights, as well as a lot of other prominent women. I’d like to see women in restrictive states start marching with their feet and move away in droves so that the men are left talking to themselves. And most of all, I want to make sure that anyone who supports restrictions on women’s rights gets a very big backlash on election day.

    • 49 desertflower
      March 26, 2013 at 9:49 am

      Agreed, jackie!

    • 50 vcprezofan2
      March 26, 2013 at 10:30 am

      ‘The time has come’ indeed for the country/humankind to move #FORWARD, JackieG, aided by the march of time as well as by leaderS who have the wisdom to give a gentle push at the ‘right’ time &/ place.

    • March 26, 2013 at 10:32 am

      Thank you to President Obama for being an authentic leader on LGBT rights, including marriage.

    • 52 57andfemale
      March 26, 2013 at 11:59 am

      We are MUCH farther along in public opinion on marriage equality than we were on civil rights and women’s rights, when laws were passed. It should be a no-brainer. But then again, we have a Supreme Court with a majority of justices with exactly that – no brains.

      • 53 Lynn
        March 26, 2013 at 4:25 pm

        You sooo nailed it, 57. This is the reason for the regressive tactics in so many states. Trying to push crap in front of the not so supremes while the reagan/bush bought and paid for appointees hold the upper hand.

  20. 54 japa21
    March 26, 2013 at 9:36 am

    This is a big day. No doubt about it. I am somewhat of a fanatic when it comes to using langauge to guide people’s feelings. The terms, same sex marriage, gay marriage, etc.can work both ways. That is why:

    Which, I am glad to see, is they way it is being pushed.

    • 55 mtmarilyn
      March 26, 2013 at 9:58 am

      Thank you for that japa, I do agree marriage equality for all!!!

    • 56 vcprezofan2
      March 26, 2013 at 10:10 am

      Morning Japa. Good point.

    • 57 57andfemale
      March 26, 2013 at 12:00 pm

      Very important to frame the issue positively. It’s time our side started to play aggressively on the framing-field. Repubs are, unfortunately, masters at it. Now we have to be equally effective. I always say, ‘marriage equality’.

  21. 58 utaustinliberal
    March 26, 2013 at 9:36 am


  22. March 26, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Moooooorning everyone, a million thanks again to Symmetry for the morning post – huuuuuuugely appreciated! I’ll have a (very late) Rise and Shine in a while, meanwhile chat away.

    • 60 vcprezofan2
      March 26, 2013 at 10:14 am

      ‘in a while, meanwhile chat away’ – Meaning I shouldn’t turn over and go back to bed since I rose and shone too early?

    • 61 vcprezofan2
      March 26, 2013 at 10:19 am

      BTW, Chica, when you have breathing room, please check your email for a very brief note.

      • 62 vcprezofan2
        March 26, 2013 at 10:25 am

        Scratch this. Just checked *my* email and found you had already put mine in the ‘out’ box. Yeah, okay. O-kay! You are more organized this year month today week! I apologize. Geez!

        • 64 vcprezofan2
          March 26, 2013 at 10:32 am

          No further need. I graciously apologized below, now you be your gracious self (ahem) and accept my apology.

          • 65 vcprezofan2
            March 26, 2013 at 10:41 am

            Apologized above, below, wherever. It’s here somewhere. 😀

            • March 26, 2013 at 10:52 am

              Ah, I got an email from ya yesterday and DMed you on Twitter – did you get it?

              • 67 vcprezofan2
                March 26, 2013 at 11:21 am

                I can see we are not ‘connecting’ in today’s discussion. I did get it; saw it right after I sent my request AND right BEFORE I sent you my apology which is on this thread somewhere. Go read my apology, you!

                Incidentally this latest comment from you implies you don’t read ALL my comments addressed to you on each thread? 😯 😯 I. Am. Speechless. …well, almost. 😉 😉

  23. 68 desertflower
    March 26, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Good Equality For ALL morning to everyone!!!!!!!!! Been suffering with some cold or allergies and have been keeping a low profile…reading everything though:) Great job on this, symmetry! Important day, indeed. Equality for all is the hallmark of what we stand for…this should be an easy decision for the SC to make. SHOULD BE. We still have work to do on so many fronts to keep the doors of freedom, liberty and justice for all flung wide open, until their is no discrimination and barriers for anyone in this country to live the life that makes them happy and whole. Let’s hope that they make the right decision today for marriage equality.

    • 69 vcprezofan2
      March 26, 2013 at 10:47 am

      GM, Df! Sure hope the low profile includes a fair amount of rest for the body to knock out the intruder and recharge. Have a good week, cold notwithstanding!

  24. 70 utaustinliberal
    March 26, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Follow them. Best blog for SCOTUS cases.

  25. March 26, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Good luck on Marriage Equality!!!

  26. 73 Ladyhawke
    March 26, 2013 at 10:04 am

    A Sea Change in Less Than 50 Years as Gay Rights Gained Momentum



    The pace of change continues to surprise gay rights supporters.

    In his youth, Mr. Frank said, he realized he was drawn personally to men and professionally to government. He assumed the former would impede the latter.

    “At this point,” he concluded, “I think my continued sexual attraction to men is more politically acceptable than my attraction to government.”



  27. 75 utaustinliberal
    March 26, 2013 at 10:06 am

  28. 76 utaustinliberal
    March 26, 2013 at 10:06 am

  29. March 26, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Good morning all! Just taking a moment to say hello. I’ve been in a Murphy’s Law vacuum. Had to abandon The Pragmatic Pundit, right in the middle of the transition, workers cut my cable, but couldn’t find it because it snowed, someone stole my grandson’s dog and for the first time in my life I got a flu shot, so for the first time in my life I got the flu. You can laugh. 🙂

    I had to start a new site, so I’m now The Political Pragmatic. I do hope you’ll continue to support me and drop in now and then, as I’ve lost all my readers…boo-hoo. 🙂 As always you’ve been inspiring and informative…but I’m behind. So I’m going to play catch-up. Just wanted to say Good Morning!

    • 79 desertflower
      March 26, 2013 at 10:13 am

      Fay! I visited the other day and didn’t see the new site up…you had your last post (that I had already read!) so I moved along….is the Political Pragmatic up and running now? Maybe Chips can change things on her blogroll to match your new site….

      Keep doing what you do, you really have a great and important site…been going there for quite some time. So sorry to hear about the dog and the flu….I never get a flu shot for that reason…. 🙂 Glad that you came here to let all of us know what’s going on….

      • 81 dmimigrayson
        March 26, 2013 at 3:01 pm

        Putting my two cents in. You got the flu not from the shot. It takes two weeks to build up immunities. Even at that it is approx 75% effective. I have given flu shots for 5 yrears here in my pharmacies. had one person get the flu symtomms for 1 day, then the reaction was gone. She has big-time allergy issues. Perhaps one of those two reactions fit you.

    • 82 57andfemale
      March 26, 2013 at 12:04 pm

      Oh, Fay! That’s too much bad luck all at once.

      There is a special place in Hell for people who steal pets.

      I’m off to check out your new site right now.

  30. 84 utaustinliberal
    March 26, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Pfeiffer is a G.

    • 85 anniebella
      March 26, 2013 at 10:17 am

      Some people don’t understand that some people can work on more than one thing at a time.

      • 86 vcprezofan2
        March 26, 2013 at 11:37 am

        Because THEY cannot, Annieb! They judge the President and the world by their own limited understanding AND MAKE NO EFFORT TO EXPAND THEMSELVES. This is what irks me most about biased media and stupid GOPers – THEY DON’T SEEM TO GROW!!!! [not shouting (too much effort), just emphasizing]

  31. 87 mtmarilyn
    March 26, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Good morning TOD family! What a wonderful way to start the day with Symmetry11!!!! It is so great to see all the talent at this place. Now we know that Chips will be around for the next 4 years without all the added stress of running this house.

    My friend sent me this article by Ken Stern http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/04/why-the-rich-dont-give/309254/ “last year, not one of the top 50 individual charitable gifts went to a social service organization or to a charity that principally serves the poor and the dispossed.” “The wealthiest Americans give 1.3 percent of their income the poor give 3.2 percent.”

  32. 88 Allison
    March 26, 2013 at 10:13 am

  33. 89 utaustinliberal
    March 26, 2013 at 10:15 am


  34. 90 desertflower
    March 26, 2013 at 10:15 am

    GREAT marriage equality graphic at DU!! Can someone get that on here????

  35. 96 japa21
    March 26, 2013 at 10:17 am

    • 97 desertflower
      March 26, 2013 at 10:21 am

      We can add, voting rights, worker’s rights, reproductive rights, common sense gun laws,immigration,environmental issues…..so MANY things they scream about that they DON’T want freedom for!

  36. 100 utaustinliberal
    March 26, 2013 at 10:22 am

  37. 101 Nena20409
    March 26, 2013 at 10:23 am

    GM TODers. Happy Tuesday ❗

    The start of the USA Constitution starts with a preamble:

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    The Declaration of Independence also said:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

    Those who deny, slow death or use laws to deny many those state principles above are Not Just.

    • 102 57andfemale
      March 26, 2013 at 11:51 am

      Thom Hartmann had a caller yesterday who tried to argue that ‘giving money’ in the form of Social Security, Medicare, etc. wasn’t in the Constitution. Thom read the Preamble, the last lines of the Constitution and writings of Alexander Hamilton, arguably the most (by modern standards) conservative Founding Father on the nature of ‘promoting the general welfare’.

      Thom closed the show by stating that George Washington had signed a law providing food, clothing and housing for the poor of Washington D.C., under the general welfare clause.

      The government has been providing ‘welfare’ since George-effing-Washington.

  38. 105 Nena20409
    March 26, 2013 at 10:32 am

    250 seats Only available for the Public at the SCOTUS oral argument today and tomorrow.

    Those seats were going for sell, as was reported by CNN this AM for thousands of dollars?

    For days people camped to get the tickets. SCOTUS are not selling the tickets.

    Just scalpers. That is unbelievable.

  39. 106 japa21
    March 26, 2013 at 10:47 am

  40. 108 sherijr
    March 26, 2013 at 10:50 am

    well done Symmetry! I’m just so grateful to be alive in these times.. to watch America & hopefully the world, grow up, evolve just a wee bit more.. to be in the age of Obama 🙂

  41. March 26, 2013 at 11:01 am

  42. 111 Nena20409
    March 26, 2013 at 11:06 am

    SCOTUSblog @SCOTUSblog

    Breaking: 1st update- #prop8 unlikely to be upheld; either struck down or #scotus won’t decide case. More in 30 mins.
    2:39 PM – 26 Mar 13
    1,403 RETWEETS 68 FAVORITES ReplyRetweet

    • 112 57andfemale
      March 26, 2013 at 11:54 am

      They may kick it back to the states. Although these are the kinds of issues that Kennedy can be a swing vote.

      It drives me nuts when people think he’s moderate because he votes with the Good Guys sometimes. But on criminal justice and personal liberty issues, he’s truly a swing vote. So there’s hope.

  43. 113 Jovie
    March 26, 2013 at 11:09 am

    The GDP rose 2.5% from the last Quarter.
    That’s a very big jump from quarter to quarter.

    • 114 Nena20409
      March 26, 2013 at 11:21 am

      Hey Jovie, last qtr was Q4 in 2012. Thanks that is a BFD.

      1st it was reported as -0.01%
      Then it was revised up to +0.01%
      And Now a Huge leap to 2.5% 😯

      Have Mercy ❗ CNBC, FBN, CNN, Fox, Town-crier John Boehner, Jack Walsh, etc would be Sad.

  44. 115 vcprezofan2
    March 26, 2013 at 11:15 am

    These arguments might prove helpful for some TODobots who participate in debates with GOP friends/relatives

    But worry not! It’s very VERY easy to clear up this misperception (and piss off conservatives to boot!) in just 4 simple steps.

    Step One: Establish the facts of what the deficit is and how it works – Ask the conservative, uninformed “independent” or naughty liberal if they understand that the deficit is not the same as the debt. This is super important because the right has gone VERY far out of its way to confuse the two. And for good reason; the debt has never been higher. This is inevitable since we still have a deficit. The debt is a byproduct of the deficit. The only way to pay down the debt is to turn the deficit into a surplus.


  45. 116 utaustinliberal
    March 26, 2013 at 11:16 am

  46. 117 utaustinliberal
    March 26, 2013 at 11:18 am

  47. 118 donna dem 4 obama
    March 26, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Bravo Symmetry. Very nicely done.

    The tides have shifted and the time for equality is NOW!!

    It’s amazing to me how this country has evolved to this point on this issue. Just 8 short years ago Rove and Bush put same-sex marriage on the ballot in enough battleground states to gin up the christian right to come out in droves for Bush.

    Times definitely are a changing!!!!!!!!!

    • 119 Nena20409
      March 26, 2013 at 11:25 am

      GM DD4O.

      The RNC head who was instrumental in this was a Gay man. Hellman(sp) or so. Today he is hailed as having changed his mind and he is working, still a GOPer, trying to get Marriage Equality done.

      Better late than never.

  48. 121 Nena20409
    March 26, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Equal Rights and Justice:

  49. 123 Linda
    March 26, 2013 at 11:40 am


    Pete Williams just said that ” States Rights ” never came up at all.

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